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[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3797442]ESPN - Eric Mangini out as head coach of New York Jets[/url]

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3797518]ESPN - Romeo Crennel fired after Cleveland Browns finish 4-12[/url]

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3797433]ESPN - Rod Marinelli's ouster follows Detroit Lions' 0-16 season[/url]

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Heard the Lions want to talk to Spags from the Gmen

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I was mildly surprised Mangini got axed. I'm not saying a HC necessarily has to be a "rah-rah" guy, but he seemed like the total opposite. One of my closest friends is a Jets fan, and he heard that Mangini had lost a lot of that locker room. But I just don't know if 9-7 should get you fired. If anything their DC should go.

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I could see Cowher in NY

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[quote=Mattyk72;516340]I could see Cowher in NY[/quote]

I could too, however he already told Cleveland today that he has no interest in coaching right now. I'm not sure if he meant just in Cleveland, or in general. If NY hired Cowher, GM Mike Tannenbaum would probably be shown the door as well.

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I can't see Cowher going to Cleveland simply because of his close relationship with the Rooney family.

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From what I've heard Cowher has shown some interest in the Jets.

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[quote=53Fan;516366]From what I've heard Cowher has shown some interest in the Jets.[/quote]

I don't understand the Cowher lovefest that some people in this forum have (I'm not talking about you 53Fan). The guy is way over rated, I'd hire Jim Schwartz, Spagnuolo or some other assistant before Cowher. A perfect example of a very promising coach is Mike Singletary, not just some retread that won a SB in 14 years.

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Mangini firing seems unwarranted. I'm sure he'll be a good head coach sometime in the future.

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I really still can't believe that Wade Phillips will get another year. My two biggest coach hatreds are Phillips and Turner. I don't think either can lead a team. Turner probably saved his job with an 8-8 playoff appearance, but Wade??

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;516367]I don't understand the Cowher lovefest that some people in this forum have (I'm not talking about you 53Fan). The guy is way over rated, I'd hire Jim Schwartz, Spagnuolo or some other assistant before Cowher. A perfect example of a very promising coach is Mike Singletary, not just some retread that won a SB in 14 years.[/quote]

I agree with you 100%.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;516375][B]I really still can't believe that Wade Phillips will get another year.[/B] My two biggest coach hatreds are Phillips and Turner. I don't think either can lead a team. Turner probably saved his job with an 8-8 playoff appearance, but Wade??[/quote]

I can't believe I'm still amazed by Jerry Jones stupidity but somehow I am. I'm preparing myself for 2010 when Jones hires a recently fired Turner to take over for the recently fired Phillips. How these guys keep getting chances when there are some really talented assistants out there who deserve a chance is beyond me.:confused:

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[quote=53Fan;516384]I can't believe I'm still amazed by Jerry Jones stupidity but somehow I am. I'm preparing myself for 2010 when Jones hires a recently fired Turner to take over for the recently fired Phillips. How these guys keep getting chances when there are some really talented assistants out there who deserve a chance is beyond me.:confused:[/quote]

JJ will never learn. After he got rid of the other JJ the team went downhill, then Parcells takes over and has success untill JJ runs him out and ends with Bum Jr. I'm glad JJ thinks he can run a team, I'm all for it!! As long as he's in charge they will SUCK!!

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NFL says cowher talking to jets

Pioli interested in browns

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People like Cowher because he comes off as a no nonsense guy that won't take any BS and has his shit together. We will see how '09 pans out for Zorn and see if he can get his shit together. Even if he does, we really do need a lot of work, and to top that off still don't have a real gauge on if JC is indeed our franchise QB. Yardage wise he is on pace to top Frerotte as the 6th leading all time Skins passer sometime around week 9-10 next season and needs to definitely pick up the pace to match or surpass good ole Gus in the TD dept. He is definitely better than Gus in the TD/INT ratio dept though.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;516367]I don't understand the Cowher lovefest that some people in this forum have (I'm not talking about you 53Fan). The guy is way over rated, I'd hire Jim Schwartz, Spagnuolo or some other assistant before Cowher. A perfect example of a very promising coach is Mike Singletary, not just some retread that won a SB in 14 years.[/quote]

I guess it's similar to how we don't understand your love fest with Cam Cameron.

At least Cowher has won more than 1 game in his career. ;)

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[quote=Jamaican'Skin;516328]Heard the Lions want to talk to Spags from the Gmen[/quote]


That was on Fox Sports.com. I think that would be a very good pickup for the Lions. Marinelli had no business being hired in the first place. It was interesting when Rob Parker and him got into it when Parker brought up his son in law and daughter into the 0-15 discussion. Marinelli got pissed!!!!!

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[quote=Mattyk72;516417]I guess it's similar to how we don't understand your love fest with Cam Cameron.

At least Cowher has won more than 1 game in his career. ;)[/quote]
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Cowher is like Marty Shoty except he has 2 SB appearances and 1 SB win. Not bad if you ask me. Certainly better than anything we have been for almost the last 20 years. I mean, when was the last time we won more than 10 games and not just barely manged to get into the playoffs?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;516367]I don't understand the Cowher lovefest that some people in this forum have (I'm not talking about you 53Fan). The guy is way over rated, I'd hire Jim Schwartz, Spagnuolo or some other assistant before Cowher. A perfect example of a very promising coach is Mike Singletary, not just some retread that won a SB in 14 years.[/quote]

I agree.
I can't believe every forgot about the Cowher/Kordell Stewert days.

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Brian Billick won a Super Bowl but that doesn't mean I think he's a great coach.

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[quote=53Fan;516442]Brian Billick won a Super Bowl but that doesn't mean I think he's a great coach.[/quote]

He may not be a great coach but if the objective is to win a SB and he has 1 he can't possibly be a bad coach. Granted, I wouldn't hire him but I wouldn't fault anyone else for hiring him nor would I go after Cowher. I'm not interested in lame duck coaches, plus I like Zorn and I would like to give him more time to see what he can do.

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[quote=jamf;516439]I agree.
I can't believe every forgot about the Cowher/Kordell Stewert days.[/quote]

You mean when they went to the AFC Championship twice?

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[quote=saden1;516368]Mangini firing seems unwarranted. I'm sure he'll be a good head coach sometime in the future.[/quote]
i cant remember who was calling the jets game, but they kept saying it seems like the coaching staff has no control over whats going on out on the field.

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[quote=saden1;516443]He may not be a great coach but if the objective is to win a SB and he has 1 he can't possibly be a bad coach. Granted, I wouldn't hire him but I wouldn't fault anyone else for hiring him nor would I go after Cowher. I'm not interested in lame duck coaches, plus I like Zorn and I would like to give him more time to see what he can do.[/quote]

Oh I don't think Cowher is a bad coach, I think he is a good coach. I just don't think he's the "come in turn everything around and win a Super Bowl right away" guy a lot of people seem to think he is. At least that's the impression I get. Most coaches aren't even given the amount of time to win a Super Bowl Cowher was given in Pittsburgh. Marty went what, 14-2 in San Diego and was let go the next year. Gibbs won the Super Bowl in his second year and won 3 in 12 years where Bill did'nt win one until his 14th year. I think he's more like Marty than Gibbs or Walsh or someone like that. Which is to be expected since he was a pupil of Marty's. Not that being like Marty is bad. If you're satisfied with a winning record and have patience, he's your man. He turned Pittsburgh around quickly in the win column when he got there and he'll probably do it again at his next stop but winning a Super Bowl, in and of itself, doesn't necessarily make you a great coach or guarantee you'll do it again. That's all I'm saying. Look at Barry Switzer. Just like you, I'm not really into lameduck coaches or retreads, Gibbs was an exception, we needed some hope and remembrance of what we once were at the time, and I'd like to give Zorn a chance to see what he can do.

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[quote=Mattyk72;516417]I guess it's similar to how we don't understand your love fest with Cam Cameron.

At least Cowher has won more than 1 game in his career. ;)[/quote]

Laugh all you want. I hope one of those teams that fired their coaches hires him (preferably Cleveland) Maybe then you'll become a believer. Name me a coach that was able get the production out of a rookie QB (before you say Matt Ryan, Flacco was an unknown player) got his underachiever WR (Clayton) and old man (Mason) a beat up almost washed RB (Maghee) a rookie RB (Rice) a backup (McLain) and a rebuilt OL to average like 30pts./Game avg. and lead then into the playoffs. They were 3-13 a year ago. Harbaugh couldn't have done this without Cameron as his OC. Flame me all you want but I compare Cameron as good an OC as Gibbs was in his day. As a coach 1 year doesn't warrant him proving anything and getting fired.

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jets won't give cowher full power...its a no go

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;516536]Laugh all you want. I hope one of those teams that fired their coaches hires him (preferably Cleveland) Maybe then you'll become a believer. Name me a coach that was able get the production out of a rookie QB (before you say Matt Ryan, Flacco was an unknown player) got his underachiever WR (Clayton) and old man (Mason) a beat up almost washed RB (Maghee) a rookie RB (Rice) a backup (McLain) and a rebuilt OL to average like 30pts./Game avg. and lead then into the playoffs. They were 3-13 a year ago. Harbaugh couldn't have done this without Cameron as his OC. Flame me all you want but I compare Cameron as good an OC as Gibbs was in his day. As a coach 1 year doesn't warrant him proving anything and getting fired.[/quote]

There are plenty of good OC's that simply aren't good HC's. Cameron is one of them. I'd be surprised if he even gets an interview for a HC job this offseason.

I wasn't "flaming" you, lighten up. I just thought it was funny that you're not impressed with Cowher "only" winning 1 SB while Cameron only has 1 career win as HC.

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Like the NFL network said....the best possible cenario is going to the Lions. I know, I know they suck every year but you can't do worse then 0-16 so even if you won one game you turned the team around. lol. Personell wise I would probably pick the Jets. As much as everyone says Cowher has a friend in Cleveland I doubt he would go to a rival steel team town of Pittsburg only cause he doesn't want to piss of Pitt nation.

Besides he flat out turned down the Browns owner.

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Aaron (DC): Happy New Year Matt! Do you think that Dan Snyder will ever fire Vinny Cerrato? The Redskins need a legitimate GM to turn this organization around.

Matt Mosley: (12:28 PM ET ) These men have taken a solemn vow to each other.

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;516561]Aaron (DC): Happy New Year Matt! Do you think that Dan Snyder will ever fire Vinny Cerrato? The Redskins need a legitimate GM to turn this organization around.

Matt Mosley: (12:28 PM ET ) These men have taken a solemn vow to each other.[/quote]
haha

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AL(INDY): Are the Redskins doomed to mediocricy?Tough division,owner who doesn't know the football world well enough to spend his money wisely,mid round draft choices,Portis and Moss getting old and injury prone?

SportsNation Matt Mosley: (12:43 PM ET ) I wouldn't classify Portis and Moss as "old." And both of them are willing to fight through injuries. But I do think the franchise needs to make better decisions. They finally stopped free-wheeling in the free agency and then they went out and drafted three BUSTERS in the second round. Maybe those guys will pan out, but right now it's not looking good.

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Neil (VA): What should be the Redskins number 1 offseason priority?

SportsNation Matt Mosley: (12:55 PM ET ) They better address that offensive line. Samuels is good, but he's not getting any younger. You have an aging Pete Kendall at left guard and an aging and broken down Jansen at right tackle. You better address the offensive line in a hurry. And you might want to see if you can get Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly ready to go for next season.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;516367]I don't understand the Cowher lovefest that some people in this forum have (I'm not talking about you 53Fan). The guy is way over rated, I'd hire Jim Schwartz, Spagnuolo or some other assistant before Cowher. A perfect example of a very promising coach is Mike Singletary, not just some retread that won a SB in 14 years.[/quote]

I agree completely. There are many coaches that could win a SB if they're given 14 seasons. Hell, Norv Turner still has three or four more shots at immortality if that's the standard. Wade Phillips has about eight. Steve Spurrier quit a dozen years before he reached the cutoff for greatness.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;516367]I don't understand the Cowher lovefest that some people in this forum have (I'm not talking about you 53Fan). The guy is way over rated, I'd hire Jim Schwartz, Spagnuolo or some other assistant before Cowher. A perfect example of a very promising coach is Mike Singletary, not just some retread that won a SB in 14 years.[/quote]

Yea, Jim Schwartz will be a coach soon and most likely a good one.

It's amazing how many good retreads and potentially good "new" head coaching candidates are out there.

Shanahan
Schott
Cowher
Spags
Schwartz

There's more just can't think of them. It's as good of a year that i can remember for an open HC position.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;516367]I don't understand the Cowher lovefest that some people in this forum have (I'm not talking about you 53Fan). The guy is way over rated, I'd hire Jim Schwartz, Spagnuolo or some other assistant before Cowher. A perfect example of a very promising coach is Mike Singletary, not just some retread that won a SB in 14 years.[/quote]

I agree. What has made Pittsburg great is their front office and their ability to draft great players. Something we suck at.

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If anybody caught Howie Long's potential hc list here it is: It's pretty good, imo.

Ravens defensive coordinator Rex Ryan: He has a proven track record and his father’s (former NFL head coach Buddy Ryan) passion. At 46-years-old, he could be a coach for a long time.



Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels: He’s 32-years-old and just one year removed from overseeing the most prolific offense in NFL history.



Titans defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz: Talk about blueprints, he’s been with head coach Jeff Fisher for eight years and if that isn’t enough, he’s spent another four years with Bill Belichick.



Dolphins defensive coordinator Paul Pasqualoni: He had a front row seat on one of the NFL’s most-historic turnarounds. Both Sparano and Bill Parcells swear by him.



Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo: Spagnuolo turned down an opportunity to be a head coach last year to come back and win another ring with the Giants.



Vikings defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier: Frazier took over for Mike Tomlin with very little drop off.

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[quote=70Chip;516640]I agree completely. There are many coaches that could win a SB if they're given 14 seasons. Hell, Norv Turner still has three or four more shots at immortality if that's the standard. Wade Phillips has about eight. Steve Spurrier quit a dozen years before he reached the cutoff for greatness.[/quote]


I don't think getting to the SB is the measuring stick. I think a lot of owners look at whether the coach is making improvements and are they getting into the post season. True, SB is the ultimate but I don't think most owners look at that as ..."If we are not there in 2-3 yrs I'll fire the coach."

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;516367]I don't understand the Cowher lovefest that some people in this forum have (I'm not talking about you 53Fan). The guy is way over rated, I'd hire Jim Schwartz, Spagnuolo or some other assistant before Cowher. A perfect example of a very promising coach is Mike Singletary, not just some retread that won a SB in 14 years.[/quote]

I don't understand it either. I just wish the guy would get a job so we don't have to talk about him anymore.

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[quote=Mattyk72;516417]I guess it's similar to how we don't understand your love fest with Cam Cameron.

At least Cowher has won more than 1 game in his career. ;)[/quote]

ouch.