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This is a little late to say now that the season is over...but its something thats been bugging me. Jason Campbell is slow in everything he does. When I watch him back in the pocket, he has no urgency to throw the ball; he takes forever to look look at his second or third target, he has a slow release on the ball, he doesnt drop back quickly, and hes not that fast of a runner (and the worst slider Ive ever seen...seriously its not that hard). I think he's got an OK arm (good strength, not so good acuracy), seems to make OK decisions when he throws the ball, but makes too many non decisions due to his slow processing. I really dont think this guy can get the job done and we need to get someone who can.

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as stated in many threads Campbell is in his 3rd scheme in 5 years. His confusion reflects this IMO

I think we we all see the same thing and our best option is to give the current system a little more time

Just as frustrated as you are

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Another JC thread?? Ad nauseum....

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I see the same thing that you do in Campbell - except instead of making excuses for him, i recognize that he's just not a good NFL QB, he's certainly too slow to be a good fit for the WCO. Hopefully we have an open competition in camp for the starting QB. If campbell wins it, then atleast he can earn it.

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My main problem with Campbell is his intensity and command of the field. I do beleive that his reads are a little slow, but that will change over time as he gets used to the West Coast system and he knows where all his receivers are. He needs to work on his short passing game, he either throws the ball to hard and the receivers have a hard time catching the ball or he is completely off target on an open receiver. He needs to work on touch passing in the medium to short passing game. [B]This brings me to my main concern:[/B] Jason needs to get a burning fire in the pit of his stomach and play with a greater intensity. So many times this year he would drop back to pass and get sacked before he could look down field, afterwards he would just get up and shuffel back to the huddle, only for the same situation to happen later. If that was Peyton Manning he would be up in the lines faces letting them know that they need to block their man. Jason acts as though he is afraid to say anything to the o-line. I'm not saying to disrespect them, but if they see the fire in his eyes and can feed off of his intensity that would ultimately make the off. play better. Jason needs to take a look at the other successful quaterbacks in this league and how they lead their teams.

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Graham Harrell would look nice in B&G

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Wow, what insight. Campbell is slow making reads, slow in his progression, slow release, less than ideal accuracy and isn't 'intense' enough. Is it possible to ban all new Campbell threads that don't put forth original thoughts?

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[quote=Paintrain;517308]Wow, what insight. Campbell is slow making reads, slow in his progression, slow release, less than ideal accuracy and isn't 'intense' enough. Is it possible to ban all new Campbell threads that don't put forth original thoughts?[/quote]

Here, here. I second the motion

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[quote=Paintrain;517308]Wow, what insight. Campbell is slow making reads, slow in his progression, slow release, less than ideal accuracy and isn't 'intense' enough. Is it possible to ban all new Campbell threads that don't put forth original thoughts?[/quote]

Ditto.

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I think that he needs to get some better endorsement deals. GEICO and Expedia are not doing him any justice.

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[quote=Paintrain;517308]Wow, what insight. Campbell is slow making reads, slow in his progression, slow release, less than ideal accuracy and isn't 'intense' enough. Is it possible to ban all new Campbell threads that don't put forth original thoughts?[/quote]

Here some new observations...he's tends to look frozen and seems like he's not going fast at times. His leadership lacks focus and when he throws he comes off as an old sloth.

...wait...those are old observations with new terminology...I guess this doesn't apply sorry.


JC is the 2nd or 3rd least of our problems right now. Once we solidify our line you'll be able to see who is the liability in the offense.

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i have an idea. lets mega merge all the Campbell threads, and then lock them. whatever needs to be said, has already been said( 1000 times over)

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What else do we have to talk about?

The strange thing is, that during the four game winning streak against the Saints, Cards, Cowboys and Eagles he looked great. He was making quick decisions, going through his reads quickly and getting rid of the ball on time. He made me think I had been wrong about him and that Zorn had really turned him into a legitimate NFL QB. Sad thing is, that since that streak he has reverted to looking like the same slow-witted Campbell that so frustrated me up until that point.

He baffles me I must admit.

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Hes smoking pot! Thats why hes slow.lol.COLT BRENNAN !!!!!At least he will try to throw 25 or 30 touchdown passes......

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[quote=davy;517319]What else do we have to talk about?

The strange thing is, that during the four game winning streak against the Saints, Cards, Cowboys and Eagles he looked great. He was making quick decisions, going through his reads quickly and getting rid of the ball on time. He made me think I had been wrong about him and that Zorn had really turned him into a legitimate NFL QB. Sad thing is, that since that streak he has reverted to looking like the same slow-witted Campbell that so frustrated me up until that point.

He baffles me I must admit.[/quote]

Davy. The way I see it is when Portis got hurt it really changed our O scheme. Not only was he throwing opposing D off with the threat of his running but was adding superior pass protection. He obviously gave JC added confidence and took the pressure off him.

After Portis injuries started we left him in the games but we were not fooling anyone. Opposing D started playing a little deeper and tighter. A weak O line was all that was needed for the decline.

Portis is the only constant. Had he stayed healthy would be talking about other things. IMO.

Nobody beats Dallas and Philly on the road and then losses to the Rams at home and the Bengals.

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[quote=44ever;517323]

Nobody beats Dallas and Philly on the road and then losses to the Rams at home and the Bengals.[/quote]

have you watched the skins play? thats been the MO of this team the past few years.

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I think the Redskins will let Campbell go and he will be a monster for another team IMO. The talk about him holding the ball too long is bogus. I hardly ever saw a receiver open constantly, and if that wasn't the case the o-line didn't take care of business in pass protection. The QB must depend on his receivers to get open and the line to block. I must agree he was a bit inaccurate this season. Beyond that most thing folks complain about aren't directly Campbell's fault IMO.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;517324]have you watched the skins play? thats been the MO of this team the past few years.[/quote]

I've been watching them for 35 years. I remember Dallas going 1-15 beating only the Redskins. So I'm well aware of our lopsided play. But the point I was trying to make is there was a definate point of decline and that point started with Portis' decline.

You're not a JC fan I get it.

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[quote=44ever;517329]I've been watching them for 35 years. I remember Dallas going 1-15 beating only the Redskins. So I'm well aware of our lopsided play. But the point I was trying to make is there was a definate point of decline and that point started with Portis' decline.

You're not a JC fan I get it.[/quote]

Portis's decline is a direct result of not having a passing game.

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[quote=WaldSkins;517333]Portis's decline is a direct result of not having a passing game.[/quote]

That does not explain the first half of the season. Neither does it make any sense. Portis didn't rely on the pass, but his health. Most passing games will not open up until the run is established. Not the other way around.

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How doesn't that make any sense? Teams figured out that our offense revolved around Portis so they stacked the line to stop the run and forced us to pass. So if they are selling out to stop the run, we gotta pass. Guess what we can't do????

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[quote=WaldSkins;517333]Portis's decline is a direct result of not having a passing game.[/quote]

I'd argue it had more to do with his injuries the OL breaking down.

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they knew our offence revolved around Portis from day one. Stacking the line didn't stop Portis his injuries did and injured he was still able to penetrate. Plus we had no trouble passing earlier in the season when Portis was healthy. So you're argument makes no sense.

I understand there are Skin fans out there that have given up on JC. You're perfectly entitled and you may prove to be correct. I was only giving Davy my perspective as to why we were sucsessful passing the first part of the season but not the later.

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[quote=Mattyk72;517337]I'd argue it had more to do with his injuries the OL breaking down.[/quote]

Of course it does, the whole offense including both the passing and running games suffered this year by the lack of an offensive line. If you look up a few posts i was disagreeing with the poster in which he was talking about Portis having a poor year which lead to Campbells poor year. If anything it was the other way around. Truly the offensive line was the main culprit in a poor showing on offense in the second half of the season.

Im just not big on pouring blame on Portis, who i think is the hardest working player on the team.

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JC is from the south. He has a laid back attitude about everything. We have to take the good with the bad. With this laid back attitude you get a calm collected pocket passer who does not get flustered. ...the bad is he's laid back and not in panick mode when we are 2 scores down with 3 min. left in the game.

The question is which do you want? the panicky QB who sometimes throws interceptions....Romo, or would you rather have the calm collected QB who controls the ball JC? Sometime teams get lucky and get the in between type of QB ie; Brady, Payton Manning, and Farve.

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[quote=WaldSkins;517339]Of course it does, the whole offense including both the passing and running games suffered this year by the lack of an offensive line. If you look up a few posts i was disagreeing with the poster in which he was talking about Portis having a poor year which lead to Campbells poor year. If anything it was the other way around. Truly the offensive line was the main culprit in a poor showing on offense in the second half of the season.

Im just not big on pouring blame on Portis, who i think is the hardest working player on the team.[/quote]

nobody here is pouring blame on Portis. On the contrary, I was showing what a big part of our offence Portis is and how without him affects JC as well as the offence as a whole

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[quote=WaldSkins;517336]How doesn't that make any sense? Teams figured out that our offense revolved around Portis so they stacked the line to stop the run and forced us to pass. So if they are selling out to stop the run, we gotta pass. Guess what we can't do????[/quote]

I tend to think that, unless you have an elite passer, the inability to run the ball pretty much destroys any possibility of passing the ball. But, it sounds like you graduated from the Andy Reid "you pass to set up the run" school of football.

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;517275]This is a little late to say now that the season is over...but its something thats been bugging me. Jason Campbell is slow in everything he does. When I watch him back in the pocket, he has no urgency to throw the ball; he takes forever to look look at his second or third target, he has a slow release on the ball, he doesnt drop back quickly, and hes not that fast of a runner (and the worst slider Ive ever seen...seriously its not that hard). I think he's got an OK arm (good strength, not so good acuracy), seems to make OK decisions when he throws the ball, but makes too many non decisions due to his slow processing. I really dont think this guy can get the job done and we need to get someone who can.[/quote]


Listen to these clips on Campbell especially Jaws breakdown:

[COLOR="Red"]Jaws previews Cowboys-Giants, Colts-Patriots and Titans-Packers and says [SIZE="4"]Jason Campbell is the MVP of the league[/SIZE][/COLOR]


[url=http://search.espn.go.com/jason-campbell/audio/7]Jason Campbell - Audio - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;517342]I tend to think that, unless you have an elite passer, the inability to run the ball pretty much destroys any possibility of passing the ball. But, it sounds like you graduated from the Andy Reid "you pass to set up the run" school of football.[/quote]

I think it's funny how people say the run has to set up the pass, especially when NE showed last yr the pass can set up the run. I truely believe it depends on what the strength of the team is. If you are good at passing then pass will set up the run. If you are good at running then run will set up the pass. Teams have to figure out how to stop what your doing. When they stop one aspect of your game then it's time to utilize the other. Our problem was we were a strong run team which meant we had to set up the pass but we had no passing game. During games when teams moved everyone within 10 yrds of the line of scrimage was when we needed to pass and couldn't. Everyone figured it out by week 7.

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[quote=dmek25;517317]i have an idea. lets mega merge all the Campbell threads, and then lock them. whatever needs to be said, has already been said( 1000 times over)[/quote]

Only if we can reopen the Brunnell/Ramsey and Arrington threads. I mean, you gotta give value to get value.

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^ Are the Mason threads still open? LOL.

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[quote=WaldSkins;517333]Portis's decline is a direct result of not having a passing game.[/quote]

True dat!!! Oh yeah his seniors on the o-line didn't do much in the 2nd half of the season either.

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[quote=SBXVII;517344]I think it's funny how people say the run has to set up the pass, especially when NE showed last yr the pass can set up the run. I truely believe it depends on what the strength of the team is. If you are good at passing then pass will set up the run. If you are good at running then run will set up the pass. Teams have to figure out how to stop what your doing. When they stop one aspect of your game then it's time to utilize the other. Our problem was we were a strong run team which meant we had to set up the pass but we had no passing game. During games when teams moved everyone within 10 yrds of the line of scrimage was when we needed to pass and couldn't. Everyone figured it out by week 7.[/quote]

you're right no backfield feared Maroni. Give me a break.

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Seems like he was getting rid of the ball in less than 3 seconds on a few critical passes in the first half of the Eagles game, i.e the very first play of that game. If he were in a stupor at the time, he should've been sacked since he didn't get his 6 seconds.

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Guys, barring an injury Campbell will start next year. There are alot of "what ifs".
Is it the OL, is it the lack of a running game, does he make slow reads, blah, blah ,blah.
WHO KNOWS WHAT THE F'ING PROBLEM IS!!!!! I CAN'T TAKE THIS SHIT ANYMORE!!!!
I JUST WANT TO WIN!!!................sorry...i fliped out. Anyway, lets start with the OL then go from there.
We have two very promising rookie wideouts. Your offense is only as good as your offensive line.. PERIOD!

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I know 99% of the fans have made their minds up on Campbell regardless of what is played out on the field .

I have read their arguments and the though out counter arguments and seen Campbell play every game this year ... and yes he has had bad plays along with good plays . Along with a bunch of other players ...

and to be honest, after looking at everything. I can come up with just one conculsion and it is not said lightly ..its not Campbell it maybe something wrong with some of the fans ... .. I just cannot help but think if Campbell was white ... then we would not be looking for his replacement ...I know they would not be calling for some guy drafted in the 6th round who has shown nothing in an NFL game ... comments about him being dumb and his attitude because he is from the south just sound I don't know like some of you are posting on here with pointy white hats and burning crosses ...

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Okay I am sorry about the last post but it needed to be said .. I do think some of the attitude towards 17 is because of the colour of his skin .

I am just fustrated with every single message board and Redskins blog being filled with the same drivel . He holds the ball too long he locks onto one reciever etc etc

I have heard some very compelling evidence on both sides of the arguments but so many of the anti Campbell posters would rather be right so perpetuate the myth rather than actually look at what is happening .

Give the team time ... Give Campbell time and we will see who is right .

And btw I think you can track the teams woes on offense back to when Samuels knee really started to bother him (Steelers game I think ) just a thought

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[quote=JoeRedskin;517346]Only if we can reopen the Brunnell/Ramsey and Arrington threads. I mean, you gotta give value to get value.[/quote]

Who says you gotta open and read it???

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[quote=SBXVII;517344]I think it's funny how people say the run has to set up the pass, especially when NE showed last yr the pass can set up the run. I truely believe it depends on what the strength of the team is. If you are good at passing then pass will set up the run. If you are good at running then run will set up the pass. Teams have to figure out how to stop what your doing. When they stop one aspect of your game then it's time to utilize the other. Our problem was we were a strong run team which meant we had to set up the pass but we had no passing game. During games when teams moved everyone within 10 yrds of the line of scrimage was when we needed to pass and couldn't. Everyone figured it out by week 7.[/quote]

Exactly, different teams have different strengths. We are run first, whereas someone like Arizona is pass first.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;517300]I see the same thing that you do in Campbell - except instead of making excuses for him, i recognize that he's just not a good NFL QB, he's certainly too slow to be a good fit for the WCO. Hopefully we have an open competition in camp for the starting QB. If campbell wins it, then atleast he can earn it.[/quote]

[url=http://search.espn.go.com/jason-campbell/audio/7]Jason Campbell - Audio - ESPN[/url]

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