Campbell's "shocking" statement and the offseason
 

Just (re)watching videos from Redskins.com I realized I forgot about Jason's statement from the 12/29 presser (not quite two minutes in) where he says the following about personnel changes:

"...but, you know, I'm pretty sure this offseason there are going to be some dramatic changes, you know, some may be shocking. So, you know, we all got to be prepared for it."

First of all I'm curious what everybody would consider a "shocking" change? Personally the only thing that would truly shock me is trading Portis (I highly doubt Campbell is saying that). Secondly, when should we expect to see changes to personnel aside from the draft?

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I would guess he would consider trading Moss to be shocking.

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I wouldn't read to deep here. Trading Rogers would be shocking to Campbell even if it wasn't shocking to the rest of the world.

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[quote=Luxorreb;520410]I wouldn't read to deep here. Trading Rogers would be shocking to Campbell even if it wasn't shocking to the rest of the world.[/quote]

Being old teammates at Auburn together I guess that would be shocking to him. But Carlos didn't play nearly as bad as Smoot this season. I think he and D. Hall would make a pretty damn good tandem.

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It may have been just emotion after a TERRIBLE 8 game slide (2-6) Unless he thinks he will be gone, but that's not going to happen.

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And don't be "shocked" if we trade Portis, he is almost 28 and you can find solid RB's in the draft... (Kno'Shawn Moreno) Guys like that... I love portis but it's not like he puts up HUGE numbers every season, he can be replaced.

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I would expect an NFL player like JC wouldn't be shocked by anything. Well, I guess losing the starting job would be shocking to him....Skins drafting a QB would also be shocking.

The only thing that would be remotely close to shocking is loosing Cooley or Portis.

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I think he was just speaking in generalities, just saying in this league and particularly with this team you should always "expect the unexpected"

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[quote=skinsfaninok;520423]And don't be "shocked" if we trade Portis, he is almost 28 and you can find solid RB's in the draft... (Kno'Shawn Moreno) Guys like that... I love portis but it's not like he puts up HUGE numbers every season, he can be replaced.[/quote]

I'm starting to think Portis could be gone as well. I disagree about his numbers. With the offenses (being so one-dimensional and predictable) he's played on since he's been here his numbers are huge IMO. I don't want the team to trade him but if he must go to make the team a legit contender...see ya CP...it's all about winning the Super Bowl and I'm tired of waiting for #4!

HAIL!!

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[quote=SkinzzFan;520434]I'm starting to think Portis could be gone as well. I disagree about his numbers. With the offenses (being so one-dimensional and predictable) he's played on since he's been here his numbers are huge IMO. I don't want the team to trade him but if he must go to make the team a legit contender...see ya CP...it's all about winning the Super Bowl and I'm tired of waiting for #4!

HAIL!![/quote]

Look no further than his cap figure, he's definitely coming back in 2009. His cap hit is over $13M.

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Trade Portis and Moss and try to get TJ from Cincy.

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Shocking: would be JC throwing a pass with a little "touch" on it.


Not Shocking: CP's Mamma kick'in the crap out of Vinnie if trade rumors surface.

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There's two things in the world that are 100% true. The clock will strike 12 twice a day and Clinton Portis will be a Redskin in 2009.

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Also, Portis is not only our best RB, but our best blocker, which says more about our OL.

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[quote=Mattyk72;520439]Look no further than his cap figure, he's definitely coming back in 2009. [B]His cap hit is over $13M[/B].[/quote]

Maybe this should be the first post of every thread.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;520423]And don't be "shocked" if we trade Portis, he is almost 28 and you can find solid RB's in the draft... (Kno'Shawn Moreno) Guys like that... I love portis but it's not like he puts up HUGE numbers every season, he can be replaced.[/quote]

If we didn't knock on Portis's door every offseason and ask him to sign a new contract, so we can get under the salary cap, and then pay him a new signing bonus we might have been able to move him.

...being that we're handcuffed to him like Damon Wayans and Adam Sandler Bulletproof-style, we're moving him anytime soon. Also I hear that Dan Snyder has a close relationship with him.


BTW, I like Portis and don't want to see him go. I wouldn't mind a change-up back though in the draft. IMO Portis has trained to develop a running style that would make his career last despite his OL. If you notice he doesn't do any juking right before contact like he used to in '04. I think he has his longevity in mind, which I don't fault him for.

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I understand what everyone is saying, but Portis is just about as bad as T.O. in the "chemistry" department!

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[quote=Sean Taylor Fan;520468]I understand what everyone is saying, but Portis is just about as bad as T.O. in the "chemistry" department![/quote]

Not quite. On the field Portis does his job and doesn't mouth off or show anyone up. TO is constantly trying to be the center of attention, he complains about not getting enough passes his way, he says Romo plays favorites with Witten, and never takes any blame, etc.

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What do you call the "sulking and pitty" faces vs. the Lions and Ravens?

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[quote=Sean Taylor Fan;520471]What do you call the "sulking and pitty" faces vs. the Lions and Ravens?[/quote]

So facial expressions are on par with calling out your teammates or throwing a fit on the sidelines?

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Trust me, I am not saying Portis is as bad as T.O. (not even close), but enough is enough with this guy. Every year it is always something. People say well "Portis is tough and a great blocker. He just wants to win!" T.O. just wants to win too, but we all criticize him. He just doesn't do the correct way. What's the difference if it is done on the field or on the John Thompson Show?

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people can knock Portis all they want, but i know three things:

1. Portis gives 100% on Sundays. Players notice that, and it should motivate them to give 100% as well.
2. Portis may lack discretion, but he has never said anything on the JT Show thats not true. Alot of what he said, really NEEDED to be said, whether he was the right person to do it or not.
3. The Redskins are a MUCH better team with Portis than without him. He is the best all-around back in the NFL right now.

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[quote=Sean Taylor Fan;520445]Trade Portis and Moss and try to get TJ from Cincy.[/quote]And how is TJ any more effective than Moss when there isn't anyone that scares opposing defenses at the other WR spot? Cincy has 2 legit speed demons (Chad Johnson & Chris Henry) that stretch the field and make TJ's role as a posession receiver much, much easier. I definitely don't see TJ as a #1 receiver. He would be a downgrade from Moss in that role.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;520483]people can knock Portis all they want, but i know three things:

1. Portis gives 100% on Sundays. Players notice that, and it should motivate them to give 100% as well.
2. Portis may lack discretion, but he has never said anything on the JT Show thats not true. Alot of what he said, really NEEDED to be said, whether he was the right person to do it or not.
3. The Redskins are a MUCH better team with Portis than without him. He is the best all-around back in the NFL right now.[/quote]

First, let me clarify something before I post. I am an avid Redskins fan! Let's try to be a football mind and not a homer! Are you saying that T.O. doesn't give 100% on Sundays? Stuff that Portis said on the air should NEVER be said whether it is true or not! And I cannot even comment on Portis being the best all-around back in the NFL!!!!!!!!!!

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I think Portis has more potential to disturb the team with what he's doing on the show than what TO is doing or saying. But the two can not be compared. They both give 100% anyone argue with that is not a fan of football but only a Redskin fan

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[quote=Dblock804;520446]Shocking: would be JC throwing a pass with a little "touch" on it.


Not Shocking: CP's Mamma kick'in the crap out of Vinnie if trade rumors surface.[/quote]

he has no touch but could develop into a top notch second stringer IF we are patient with him

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[quote=44ever;520495]I think Portis has more potential to disturb the team with what he's doing on the show than what TO is doing or saying. But the two can not be compared. They both give 100% anyone argue with that is not a fan of football but only a Redskin fan[/quote]

I don't see anyone questioning T.O.'s effort on the field. The debate is over who is a bigger distraction/cancer. T.O. or Portis. I think the answer is pretty clear.

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[quote=Sean Taylor Fan;520492]First, let me clarify something before I post. I am an avid Redskins fan! Let's try to be a football mind and not a homer! Are you saying that T.O. doesn't give 100% on Sundays? Stuff that Portis said on the air should NEVER be said whether it is true or not! And I cannot even comment on Portis being the best all-around back in the NFL!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

Owens doesnt give 100% on Sundays anymore. Its known that he's started to give up on routes. He also complained that he didnt get enough balls when over 50% of the plays were designed to go to him. Portis has complained, but his complaints have been accurate. Also, Portis has never come CLOSE to TO when it comes to the level of his complaining.

If you can name me a running back who is as good as Portis is running the ball, catching the ball, AND PASS-BLOCKING, i'd like to see it. There are definitely better running backs for the first two i mentioned, but not the last one. There is not a single 1000yard back in the league who is as good in pass protection as portis. Not one.

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[quote=Mattyk72;520509]I don't see anyone questioning T.O.'s effort on the field. The debate is over who is a bigger distraction/cancer. T.O. or Portis. I think the answer is pretty clear.[/quote]

I dont think its as clear as you want it to be. TO does say stupid stuff about team mates but if memory serves, CP publically threw his O line under the bus earlier in the season. He also tries to publically undermine the head coach's authority (I dont recall TO doing that but I might have missed the quote) which IMO is much worse. Of course CP knows he can do this because he knows he's DS's favorite and can say/do what he wants (which also cant be good for locker room morale).

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Listening to CP and observing the way others react to him, I would (carefully) venture to say he is just not very bright and maybe very dumb so that his colleagues give him a fair bit of grace in all his stupidity. Not sure the same can be said of TO on either point - he seems pretty sharp and people tend to "react" to what he says whereas I don't think CP gets much reaction... kind of reminds me how the slow kids were treated in school... just let em be.

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[quote=The Goat;520532]Listening to CP and observing the way others react to him, I would (carefully) venture to say he is just not very bright and maybe very dumb so that his colleagues give him a fair bit of grace in all his stupidity. Not sure the same can be said of TO on either point - he seems pretty sharp and people tend to "react" to what he says whereas I don't think CP gets much reaction... kind of reminds me how the slow kids were treated in school... just let em be.[/quote]

I agree that CP isnt too bright but I also think the he is very insecure. That insecurity is what causes his to say what he says and constantly want to be the center of attention.

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[quote=irish;520537]I agree that CP isnt too bright but I also think the he is very insecure. That insecurity is what causes his to say what he says and constantly want to be the center of attention.[/quote]

Good point and the same is true about TO i'm sure.

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Hi
I'm new to the board here. The only thing that I would find shocking is if The Little Danny and his side kick Vinny let Colt compete for the starting QB position next season.
I guess another shocker would be if Vinny started drafting for "need" instead of just the best player available or another...Punter.

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[quote=The Goat;520540]Good point and the same is true about TO i'm sure.[/quote]

I agree, TO is very insecure also. Thats why he acts like CP.

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CP does what hes asked, can we as fan want anything more from him. sure he gets upset when the team makes a bad play and hes on the sideline. wouldnt all of you. knowing that you could have been out there and there might have been a different outcome. and after going 6-2 and thinking that this is gonna be a special season to go 2-6 the rest of the way that would be extremely frustrating. i like CP and think that his personality is great for the redskins.

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I think that Jason Campbell was talking in generalities. He'd be shocked if wasn't the starter or they drafted another QB. I'd be too.
I forgot who posted it but they're right, if you look at the Salary Cap there's no way that CP gets traded or gets cut, period. I used to entertain such ideas myself before I started to understand how the cap works for and against us.
I think Moss would be a good trade but wouldn't pick up TJ. I'd just get more O and D-line guys with the picks. If we traded down one of our picks then we'd be able to get another WR. Why we would need to is beyond me?
This is all speculation so far. If we kept him I wouldn't cry.
I read that Zorn said that they'll be bringing in competition for Kicker and Punter. He also hinted around that the lines would be addressed in the draft. I'd be happy if this bears fruit. I was a TJ guy until I found out how old he is. I thought he was younger? No, I'm just getting older.

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[quote=Mattyk72;520469]Not quite. On the field Portis does his job and doesn't mouth off or show anyone up. TO is constantly trying to be the center of attention, he complains about not getting enough passes his way, he says Romo plays favorites with Witten, and never takes any blame, etc.[/quote]

Portis has not complained this year about not getting the ball? HMMM shale we go back or you can just go to the last Portis thread.

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[quote=Dblock804;520446]Shocking: would be JC throwing a pass with a little "touch" on it.


Not Shocking: CP's Mamma kick'in the crap out of Vinnie if trade rumors surface.[/quote]

How about throwing a ball into tight coverage.

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[quote=firstdown;520603]Portis has not complained this year about not getting the ball? HMMM shale we go back or you can just go to the last Portis thread.[/quote]

Sorry, I don't see T.O. and Portis as being equals in the cancer dept.

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1.) You never hear Portis complain when we are winning. Now when we end the season on a 2-6 streak then you hear him complain. We all complained when we ended 2-6. OMG Portis said the o-line sucked and the offense sucks. Guess what they couldn't block anything and the offense does blow. Im sure Portis isn't the only one frustrated with the way the offense has played over the last 5 years, so he comes out and says it to the media. He is the face of the franchise isnt he. What do you want him to say, that "there just a few plays a way" or some crap like that. Yea he's frustrated just like everyone on this website.

2.) Does anyone really think that TJ is the answer to our offense?? If you do tell me how.

3.) Why trade moss and or portis. Portis is by far the best player we have, since when are we rebuilding.