RUMOR: Bruce Allen to Redskins?
 

Whaaaa???? I don't get this.

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Re: RUMOR: Bruce Allen to Redskins???...Strange
 

please be true.

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Our father who art in heaven...

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What is Bruce Allen's resume like exactly?

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The first line of his resume should read...My name is not Vinny Cerrato.

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no clue what his resume is like, but this could be interesting. Defiently would like to have him, but then whats up with cerrato? i doubt danny boy is gona give up his favorite person

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Please Please Please....

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why would we want him?

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[quote=celts32;522243]The first line of his resume should read...My name is not Vinny Cerrato.[/quote]

That's great.

DS: Your hired.

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I havent spent alot of time looking at this, but here is his draft history, from nfl.com:
[url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=4900&type=team]NFL Draft History: Full Draft - by Team[/url]

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[B][U]2008[/U][/B]
1 20 Aqib Talib CB Kansas
2 58 Dexter Jackson WR Appalachian State
3 83 Jeremy Zuttah G Rutgers
4 115 Dre Moore DT Maryland
5 160 Josh Johnson QB San Diego
6 175 Geno Hayes OLB Florida State
7 238 Cory Boyd RB South Carolina

[B][U]2007[/U][/B]
1 4 Gaines Adams DE Clemson
2 35 Arron Sears G Tennessee
2 64 Sabby Piscitelli SAF Oregon State
3 68 Quincy Black LB New Mexico
4 106 Tanard Jackson FS Syracuse
5 141 Greg Peterson DT North Carolina Central
6 182 Adam Hayward LB Portland State
7 214 Chris Denman T Fresno State
7 245 Marcus Hamilton CB Virginia
7 246 Kenneth Darby RB Alabama

[B][U]2006[/U][/B]
1 23 Davin Joseph G Oklahoma
2 59 Jeremy Trueblood T Boston College
3 90 Maurice Stovall WR Notre Dame
4 122 Alan Zemaitis CB Penn State
5 156 Julian Jenkins DE Stanford
6 194 Bruce Gradkowski QB Toledo
6 202 T.J. Williams TE North Carolina State
7 235 Justin Phinisee CB Oregon
7 241 Charles Bennett DE Clemson
7 244 Tim Massaquoi TE Michigan

[B][U]2005[/U][/B]
1 5 Cadillac Williams RB Auburn
2 36 Barrett Ruud LB Nebraska
3 71 Alex Smith TE Stanford
3 91 Chris Colmer T North Carolina State
4 107 Dan Buenning G Wisconsin
5 141 Donte Nicholson DB Oklahoma
5 155 Larry Brackins -- Pearl River CC MS
6 178 Anthony Bryant DT Alabama
7 221 Rick Razzano RB Mississippi
7 225 Paris Warren WR Utah
7 231 Hamza Abdullah DB Washington State
7 253 J.R. Russell WR Louisville

[B][U]2004[/U][/B]1 15 Michael Clayton WR Louisiana State
3 79 Marquis Cooper LB Washington
4 111 Will Allen SAF Ohio State
5 146 Jeb Terry G North Carolina
6 181 Nate Lawrie TE Yale
7 206 Mark Jones WR Tennessee
7 228 Casey Cramer RB Dartmouth
7 252 Lenny Williams CB Southern University [/quote]

I'm not too familiar with alot of these players, but one thing that jumps out at me is that he doesnt trade draft picks. (Tampa Bay did not have their 2004 1st and 2nd rounders because the team had previously traded picks to Oakland to acquire Gruden.)

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[quote=celts32;522243]The first line of his resume should read...My name is not Vinny Cerrato.[/quote]

That's basically my point. Who's to say this guy would be any better?? He's only been a GM in the NFL since 2004.

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[quote=Mattyk72;522250]That's basically my point. Who's to say this guy would be any better?? He's only been a GM in the NFL since 2004.[/quote]

Yea but arn't you at the point where you just want anyone new? If not why? We have had 10+ years of subpar football and we have tried replacing everyone else but him? Maybe it's not all his fault but isn't it worth a shot?

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[quote=44ever;522247]why would we want him?[/quote]

That's what I'm trying to figure out. His drafts in TB were pretty unremarkable. If the answer is because he's not Vinny, that's not really a great reason to me to go after him.

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[quote=Mattyk72;522250]That's basically my point. Who's to say this guy would be any better?? He's only been a GM in the NFL since 2004.[/quote]

Yeah, pro or con he is a Buccaneer castoff. So they must of rid themselves of him for some reason. I would like to know more about him though before I start wholesale endorsing.


I do like the fact that he isn't yet neutered by Danny. He still has his balls until he signs a contract. If somehow he can keep his balls away from Snyder he'll be a good hire.

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[quote=Mattyk72;522252]That's what I'm trying to figure out. His drafts in TB were pretty unremarkable. If the answer is because he's not Vinny, that's not really a great reason to me to go after him.[/quote]Well, he WAS the only period of competency in Oakland between 1994 and present day. He's been tied to Gruden's hip since he's been in the business.

I think he's the model for finding talented veterans that no one else wants, but I wouldn't give him total control of my football team.

This rumor seems to make way too much sense to be true. I think it's fabricated.

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I highly doubt that he would be coming in to replace Cerrato. If anything I could see him come in as an assitant to Cerrato, but why would he want to do that?

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[quote=celts32;522251]Yea but arn't you at the point where you just want anyone new? If not why? We have had 10+ years of subpar football and we have tried replacing everyone else but him? Maybe it's not all his fault but isn't it worth a shot?[/quote]

Anyone?

No, I wouldn't seek out change just for the sake of change. If we bring someone in let's bring in someone with a proven background. Not some schlub who we'll end up replacing in a few years. That makes no sense to me at all.

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[quote=Mattyk72;522252]That's what I'm trying to figure out. His drafts in TB were pretty unremarkable. If the answer is because he's not Vinny, that's not really a great reason to me to go after him.[/quote]

Bruce Allen is irrelivent really...I am excited at the possibility of there being a thought in Snyders head that maybe quite possibly my front office needs a new voice. If that thought is in his head then that alone is a victory and I couldn't care less if he actually hires Allen, because I will at least know the seed is planted.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;522253]Yeah, pro or con he is a Buccaneer castoff. So they must of rid themselves of him for some reason. I would like to know more about him though before I start wholesale endorsing.


I do like the fact that he isn't yet neutered by Danny. He still has his balls until he signs a contract. If somehow he can keep his balls away from Snyder he'll be a good hire.[/quote]

In all likelyhood, he was fired because he didnt want to fire Gruden. It could be a matter of loyalty - Gruden lobbied for Allen to be brought in to Tampa Bay. Allen may have fought too hard to keep Gruden as the HC and because he didnt want to fire Gruden and the owner did, they were both gone. Thats pure speculation though.

The main attraction of Allen over Cerrato is:

1) He doesnt trade away draft picks.
2) He's not Dannys personal whipping boy
3) The fact that he's not Cerrato gives us leverage in hiring a HC to replace Zorn at some point - its been reported that Cerrato isnt well liked and its been implied that the reason Spags didnt take the job here last year was not wanting to work with Cerrato.

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[quote=RMSkins;522255]I highly doubt that he would be coming in to replace Cerrato. If anything I could see him come in as an assitant to Cerrato, but [B]why would he want to do that[/B]?[/quote]

Because he has limited GM experience and there's probably not a lot of teams pounding down his door.

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[quote=Mattyk72;522256]Anyone?

No, I wouldn't seek out change just for the sake of change. If we bring someone in let's bring in someone with a proven background. Not some schlub who we'll end up replacing in a few years. That makes no sense to me at all.[/quote]

If said schlub does not get the job done then that's fine with me. I am in favor of a Redskins GM being hired or fired based on his production and nothing more. I honestly do not think we have that now. Hopefully, in the future Snyder will stick to a professional relationship only with his front office employees.

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[quote=Mattyk72;522260]Because he has limited GM experience and there's probably not a lot of teams pounding down his door.[/quote]
True, but you could also make the case that Cerrato has limited GM experience as well.

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[quote=Mattyk72;522260]Because he has limited GM experience and there's probably not a lot of teams pounding down his door.[/quote]

To my knowledge, theres only one GM opening in the NFL right now and thats in Cleaveland and theyve already got their candidate lined up. If his only option at this point is to take an assistant position, then it would stand to reason he would be interested in working for the team his father used to coach. This job is also attractive because its been rumored that this could be Cerratos last year being involved in football operations, so there is the potential for quick career advancement.

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Another thought - If Allen came here in any capacity, it increases the likelyhood that John Gruden could land here - perhaps as the OC.

I'm not a huge Gruden fan, but he's certainly an upgrade over Sherman Smith. If theres one thing this offense needs, its fire. Grudens the type of guy who could definitely get guys fired up.

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[quote=Mattyk72;522260]Because he has limited GM experience and there's probably not a lot of teams pounding down his door.[/quote]

Id wait till next year, then chase Holgrem if Cerrato doesn't impress this year.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;522259]In all likelyhood, he was fired because he didnt want to fire Gruden. It could be a matter of loyalty - Gruden lobbied for Allen to be brought in to Tampa Bay. Allen may have fought too hard to keep Gruden as the HC and because he didnt want to fire Gruden and the owner did, they were both gone. Thats pure speculation though.

The main attraction of Allen over Cerrato is:

1) He doesnt trade away draft picks.
2) He's not Dannys personal whipping boy
3) The fact that he's not Cerrato gives us leverage in hiring a HC to replace Zorn at some point - its been reported that Cerrato isnt well liked and its been implied that the reason Spags didnt take the job here last year was not wanting to work with Cerrato.[/quote]

You can't wait to get Zorn outta here huh

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;522265]To my knowledge, theres only one GM opening in the NFL right now and thats in Cleaveland and theyve already got their candidate lined up. If his only option at this point is to take an assistant position, then it would stand to reason he would be interested in working for the team his father used to coach. This job is also attractive because its been rumored that this could be Cerratos last year being involved in football operations, so there is the potential for quick career advancement.[/quote]

Good points. I could see this happening. I think Vinny is gradually being phased out rather than immediately pushed due to his friendship with Danny. Scott Campbell's increased role last offseason, the rumor that this is Cerrato's last year in FB ops, and now this...

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;522266]Another thought - If Allen came here in any capacity, it increases the likelyhood that John Gruden could land here - perhaps as the OC.

I'm not a huge Gruden fan, but he's certainly an upgrade over Sherman Smith. If theres one thing this offense needs, its fire. Grudens the type of guy who could definitely get guys fired up.[/quote]

I don't see Gruden taking an OC post. He could sit out this year and come back as HC next year for someone.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;522266]Another thought - If Allen came here in any capacity, it increases the likelyhood that John Gruden could land here - perhaps as the OC.

I'm not a huge Gruden fan, but he's certainly an upgrade over Sherman Smith. If theres one thing this offense needs, its fire. Grudens the type of guy who could definitely get guys fired up.[/quote]

Gruden is also good with QBs, but in that case I'd worry about the "too many cooks in the kitchen" cliche as far as Jason Campbell is concerned. Zorn has already started molding him.

Sherman Smith and Zorn are also very close friends. I don't see Smith getting fired. I have a feeling adding Gruden to our staff would complicate more than help.

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Way to stir the pot Skinny:)

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[quote=GMScud;522275][B]Gruden is also good with QBs[/B], but in that case I'd worry about the "too many cooks in the kitchen" cliche as far as Jason Campbell is concerned. Zorn has already started molding him.

Sherman Smith and Zorn are also very close friends. I don't see Smith getting fired. I have a feeling adding Gruden to our staff would complicate more than help.[/quote]

Which quarterbacks are you talking about?

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OK how many of you on the Gruden thread talked about how much he did with the lack of talent he had? If that was you then why would you want BA the man who was in charge of finding that lack of talent for the Buc's.?

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1. I always thought Gruden and Allen were really close but I've learned recently that they may not have been the case. They actually clashed a lot

2. This isn't the first time Bruce Allen has been rumored to be available and not the first time he's been rumored to be "coming home to the Redskins"

3. Just a couple of days ago, PFT was speculating Allen for NFLPA Executive Director. So what's next...Warpath Mod?

4. Bruce Allen's most obvious skill is his mastery of contracts and the salary cap...but we already have Eric Schaeffer for that

5. I increasingly get the feelings that, Allen or not, Scott Campbell is going to be a fall guy here even though they gave him more responsibilities last year

6. Bringing Allen in doesn't mean letting Cerrato go necessarily

7. Going back to point 5, plus Campbell's noted passion for college scouting and Allen's work with pro contracts, I suppose I could theoretically see a scenario where Campbell is Director of College Scouting (or whatever title you want to give him) and Allen is Director of Pro Personnel. But then what about Mo Brown? Does he jump over Campbell as Campbell did to Riddick and become Director of Player Personnel?

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So....first of all, this is a PFT Rumor....so I'm not going to get riled up about it until I hear it somewhere else (I checked ESPN rumors, and didn't see anything). I guess it'd make sense for Allen to come in as some sort of assistant to Vinny...unless Snyder wants Vinny to move on to other things right away.

Now Allen is no Pioli (although Patriots fans would tell you that Pioli did everything through Darth Hoody, so he's not that great), but I think a new voice in the front office would not be a bad thing.

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[quote=44ever;522278]Way to stir the pot Skinny:)[/quote]

That's the least I can do.


I at least had the decency to head the title of thread "Rumor:". Although as far out in left field as this article is it should have been "Wildly Outrageous Rumor:"

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[quote=Skinny Tee;522289]That's the least I can do.


I at least had the decency to head the title of thread "Rumor:". Although as far out in left field as this article is it should have been "Wildly Outrageous Rumor:"[/quote]

Nah, "PFT Rumor" would have been sufficient...any Warpath member would know that it means "Wildly Outrageous" Rumor. LOL. :food-smil

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[quote=SmootSmack;522285]1. I always thought Gruden and Allen were really close but I've learned recently that they may not have been the case. They actually clashed a lot

2. This isn't the first time Bruce Allen has been rumored to be available and not the first time he's been rumored to be "coming home to the Redskins"

3. [B]Just a couple of days ago, PFT was speculating Allen for NFLPA Executive Director.[/B] So what's next...Warpath Mod?

4. Bruce Allen's most obvious skill is his mastery of contracts and the salary cap...but we already have Eric Schaeffer for that

5. I increasingly get the feelings that, Allen or not, Scott Campbell is going to be a fall guy here even though they gave him more responsibilities last year

6. Bringing Allen in doesn't mean letting Cerrato go necessarily

7. Going back to point 5, plus Campbell's noted passion for college scouting and Allen's work with pro contracts, I suppose I could theoretically see a scenario where Campbell is Director of College Scouting (or whatever title you want to give him) and Allen is Director of Pro Personnel. But then what about Mo Brown? Does he jump over Campbell as Campbell did to Riddick and become Director of Player Personnel?[/quote]

An Allen running a union?

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[quote=redsk1;522248]That's great.

DS: Your hired.[/quote]

More like

DS: How's your raquetball game these days?

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to me this all comes down to the danny's growth as an owner & willingness to let go/admit mistakes. i.e.if Allen were hired & given the title 'GM' many people would say it's about time we got a GM.

However, if he doesn't have full authority over personel, which I question whether Vinny truly does, we've got the same issues.

Having said that, a hiring of Allen & letting go of Vinny might be a sign of major positive change by the Danny. But simply hiring another guy w/some name recognition does not convince me that true change is underway.

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[quote=Mattyk72;522260]Because he has [B]limited GM experience[/B] and there's probably not a lot of teams pounding down his door.[/quote]

really? I thought the dude was gm at Oakland for a no. of years, then tampa for the last 7