Chris Cooley Endorses Vinny Cerrato
 

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That wasn't a huge defense for a GM when he's saying we have so little depth along our oline Todd Yoder was about to start at G. So Chris Cooley might not be your typical nfl player trying to make headlines by bringing private matters into public but I didn't really see much of a defense there. He's done some good things obviously but he's overall a bad GM. He can recognize some talent he should be a personel guy at best though having him be our GM is stupid.

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Yeah, i remember talking about this a few weeks ago. Not really surprising. Cooley was drafted by Cerrato and Cerrato just negotiated an extension with him last year - I wouldnt expect Cooley to say anything else. I really doubt that any redskins player who is not on the verge of retiring/leaving the team, or who is not disgruntled, would ever say anything negative about anyone in the front office or coaching staff. to do so would be stoopid.

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I think what Cooley is trying to say is, it's not that VC isn't bringing in the talent so much as the talent isn't bringing in the W's. Sounds like hes pointing the hidden hand at the coaching. Smoot on the other hand was stating the obvious. Just don't tell that to Ed Reed

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What do expect him to say?
Snyder and Cerratto are still his boss and they sign his pay checks. I think he eludes to that when he says, "I'm here because Vinny was here. Vinny picked me...." Do you think any player on the Redskins will say yes Vinny is terrible?

While true about lack of a pass rush, I did not like that Smoot (specifically) said that about our DL. He said, "That's where games are won at. It's rarely won at the back end, it's always won in the trenches. For the most part, the guys did a good job, but you know if you're gonna look into the numbers, Pittsburgh had 50-odd sacks and all that stuff."
WTF? Does he own a mirror? Smoot's poor level of play does not give him the right to point fingers at other under performing team mates .
The only reason he is not getting cut this year as opposed next year, he will definitly get cut next year, is it is too cap probative to cut him this year. He and Jansen are in the same boat. Smoot is the weak link and a liability in the secondary. Smoot needs to keep his mouth shut.

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[quote=Defensewins;523650]What do expect him to say?
Snyder and Cerratto are still his boss and they sign his pay checks. I think he eludes to that when he says, "I'm here because Vinny was here. Vinny picked me...." Do you think any player on the Redskins will say yes Vinny is terrible?

While true about lack of a pass rush, I did not like that [B]Smoot[/B] (specifically) said that about our DL. He said, "That's where games are won at. It's rarely won at the back end, it's always won in the trenches. For the most part, the guys did a good job, but you know if you're gonna look into the numbers, Pittsburgh had 50-odd sacks and all that stuff."
WTF? Does he own a mirror? Smoot's poor level of play does not give him the right to point fingers at other under performing team mates .
The only reason he is not getting cut this year as opposed next year, he will definitly get cut next year, is it is too cap probative to cut him this year. He and Jansen are in the same boat. Smoot is the weak link and a liability in the secondary. Smoot needs to keep his mouth shut.[/quote]

I thought Springs was the one who said that?

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Its obvious this team lacks talent. Overall, we have one one the least talented rosters in the NFL.

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Cerrato did sort of give Cooley ten million dollars or so just a year ago. I'd probably endorse the first person to do that for me as well. Just sayin, I have a price.

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I could have sworn we talked about this in another thread just a couple of weeks ago. But anyway, is this really news?

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[quote=SmootSmack;523661]I could have sworn we talked about this in another thread just a couple of weeks ago. But anyway, is this really news?[/quote]

we did, and no its not.

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[quote=SmootSmack;523661]I could have sworn we talked about this in another thread just a couple of weeks ago. But anyway, is this really news?[/quote]

Sorry SmootSmack I didn't realize this was already discussed. I'll go post on the more news worthy, if I changed my allegiance thread. :)

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[quote=44ever;523667]Sorry SmootSmack I didn't realize this was already discussed. I'll go post on the more news worthy, if I changed my allegiance thread. :)[/quote]

Touche.

That's sooooo much more worthy of discussion than this. I mean, how else would you all know I'd probably be a Lions fan if I had to choose? Huh, you tell me? How else?

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He should be endorsing Vinny. He's a player it's not his job to criticize the front office...it's mine!

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[quote=SmootSmack;523668]Touche.

That's sooooo much more worthy of discussion than this. I mean, how else would you all know I'd probably be a Lions fan if I had to choose? Huh, you tell me? How else?[/quote]

OK, for that reason it was worth it. But that's it. :)

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Cooley to me seemed really frustrated this season. Even though he had his career high in receptions this year he seemed irritated when they showed him on the sidelines.

He may like Cerrato but I don't know if he is Horny for Zorny.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;523688]Cooley to me seemed really frustrated this season. Even though he had his career high in receptions this year he seemed irritated when they showed him on the sidelines.

He may like Cerrato but I don't know if he is Horny for Zorny.[/quote]

There you go Skinny. Glad some of us caught that. Everyone was maybe a little to near sighted to see what Cooley was acually saying. It wasn't that he was kissing VC ass. He said " I don't want to "say" that there was poor coaching" But thats exactly what he wanted to say. IMO

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;523659]Its obvious this team lacks talent. Overall, we have one one the least talented rosters in the NFL.[/quote]

Well there are 11 teams that did worst than we did along with four other teams that did as well as we did. So I wouldn't call us the least talented roster in the NFL. When we got 0-16 or somewhere close to that, then you can make that claim.

Washington ------8-8
San Diego--------8-8
New Orleans------8-8
Houston----------8-8
Denver-----------8-8
[B]Buffalo--------7-9
San Francisco----7-9
Green Bay--------6-10
Jacksonville------5-11
Oakland----------5-11
Cleveland--------4-12
Cincinnati--------4-11-1
Seattle----------4-12
Kansas City------2-14
St. Louis---------2-14
Detroit-----------0-16[/B]

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Like others said I am sick of Smoots bullshit and I still dont understand to this day why Blache would start him over Rogers.

IMO it is some kind of personal issue or ego.

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[quote=hooskins;523698]Like others said I am sick of Smoots bullshit and I still dont understand to this day why Blache would start him over Rogers.

IMO it is some kind of personal issue or ego.[/quote]

I agree hooskins. Smoot is grasping at this point. And I just can't understand why we would deliberatly disrespect Rogers. Even if his hands aren't the "best" the guy is always in position to disrupt a big play. I'll take that. There has got to be more to it.

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I don't remember Smoot staring in place of Rogers. I thought it was Hall.

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Well we can all breathe easier now.

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[quote=SmootSmack;523708]I don't remember Smoot [B]staring[/B] in place of Rogers. I thought it was Hall.[/quote]

Of course you remember Smoot staring. Staring at opposing WR's from the comfort of his standard 8 yard cushion, and then staring at the back of their jerseys as he got toasted repeatedly... ;)

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[quote=Ruhskins;523696]Well there are 11 teams that did worst than we did along with four other teams that did as well as we did. So I wouldn't call us the least talented roster in the NFL. When we got 0-16 or somewhere close to that, then you can make that claim.

Washington ------8-8
San Diego--------8-8
New Orleans------8-8
Houston----------8-8
Denver-----------8-8
[B]Buffalo--------7-9
San Francisco----7-9
Green Bay--------6-10
Jacksonville------5-11
Oakland----------5-11
Cleveland--------4-12
Cincinnati--------4-11-1
Seattle----------4-12
Kansas City------2-14
St. Louis---------2-14
Detroit-----------0-16[/B][/quote]

thank you im so sick of people acting like we are the lions. we are by no means great but also not one of the "least talented rosters in the NFL" by any stretch of the imagination

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[quote=SmootSmack;523708]I don't remember Smoot staring in place of Rogers. I thought it was Hall.[/quote]

who said in place of? Hall put Rogers on the bench. I think what hooskins was saying is why is Smoot on the field at all. And why is Rogers on the bench?

SmootSmack what are you're thoughts on why Rogers is not on the field?

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[quote=gaudiomatt;523644]That wasn't a huge defense for a GM when he's saying we have so little depth along our oline Todd Yoder was about to start at G. So Chris Cooley might not be your typical nfl player trying to make headlines by bringing private matters into public but I didn't really see much of a defense there. He's done some good things obviously but he's overall a bad GM. He can recognize some talent he should be a personel guy at best though having him be our GM is stupid.[/quote]

I disagree 100%. Unless the pick is blatantly obvious (Sean Taylor at #5), then Cerrato is clueless.

I blame all of our free agency forays on Snyder and Snyder/Gibbs.

I truly believe that Cerrato is a draft guy. I really do. BUT, Cerrato has three main problems, IMO.

1. Cerrato cut his teeth with the Niners in the pre salary cap era, so he learned about the draft when picking the best available player was the best philosophy. He has not adjusted, at all, to the salary cap era drafting, which necessitates a needs based approach. You can't stock up on three receivers in a round when you have such glaring deficiencies with depth across both lines.

2. He is a horrible talent evaluator and often picks players for us much higher than they would ordinarily go in the draft. Look at the rookie WR's who made immediate impacts with their teams that were drafted after Devin Thomas.

3. To a lesser extent than #2, players are not chosen with respect to the system in which the coach coaches. A contributing factor to this is our myriad of coaching changes and therefore philosophies and how players become expendable under new coaches (Stephen Davis).

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[quote=44ever;523716]who said in place of? Hall put Rogers on the bench. I think what hooskins was saying is why is Smoot on the field at all. And why is Rogers on the bench?

SmootSmack what are you're thoughts on why Rogers is not on the field?[/quote]

I thought hooskins said he didn't know why Blache started Smoot in front of Rogers.

I think it was a combination of things 1.) Springs getting healthy, when healthy he's our best corner 2) Rogers being slightly "injured" with the flu or whatever it was he has that gave the team an opening 3) Hall making plays.

Overall I think it was a message to Rogers to make some damn plays. Rogers is like the good friend you go to the movies and dinner with and always have a good time but you hope for something more. Hall is Champagne with the fishnet stockings, 6 inch high-heels, and possibly a missing tooth on the corner of 14th and T Streets, NW at 1am. At least you know you'll get something out of Champagne

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I think Cooley was blaming the coaching along with it being a first year offense. I have no problem with that. That was a big part of the problem. A first year coach installing the WCO? Of course there are going to be some mistakes and growing pains. Depth can be shared with management AND the coaches. The coaches decided which players were to be active or not and who were to be brought up from the practice squad. I also think Smoot is right but is taking heat because he didn't have a good year. Nevertheless what he said is true. Games are won and lost in the trenches and a good pass rush definitely helps the defensive backfield. No question about it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;523721]I thought hooskins said he didn't know why Blache started Smoot in front of Rogers.

I think it was a combination of things 1.) Springs getting healthy, when healthy he's our best corner 2) Rogers being slightly "injured" with the flu or whatever it was he has that gave the team an opening 3) Hall making plays.

Overall I think it was a message to Rogers to make some damn plays. Rogers is like the good friend you go to the movies and dinner with and always have a good time but you hope for something more. Hall is Champagne with the fishnet stockings, 6 inch high-heels, and possibly a missing tooth on the corner of 14th and T Streets, NW at 1am. At least you know you'll get something out of Champagne[/quote]

Bravo

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[quote=SmootSmack;523721]I thought hooskins said he didn't know why Blache started Smoot in front of Rogers.

I think it was a combination of things 1.) Springs getting healthy, when healthy he's our best corner 2) Rogers being slightly "injured" with the flu or whatever it was he has that gave the team an opening 3) Hall making plays.

Overall I think it was a message to Rogers to make some damn plays. Rogers is like the good friend you go to the movies and dinner with and always have a good time but you hope for something more.[B] Hall is Champagne with the fishnet stockings, 6 inch high-heels, and possibly a missing tooth on the corner of 14th and T Streets, NW at 1am. At least you know you'll get something out of Champagne[/B][/quote]

That's a hilarious analogy! 14th and T! Holy shit. Too funny.

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[quote=SmootSmack;523721]I thought hooskins said he didn't know why Blache started Smoot in front of Rogers.

I think it was a combination of things 1.) Springs getting healthy, when healthy he's our best corner 2) Rogers being slightly "injured" with the flu or whatever it was he has that gave the team an opening 3) Hall making plays.

Overall I think it was a message to Rogers to make some damn plays. Rogers is like the good friend you go to the movies and dinner with and always have a good time but you hope for something more. Hall is Champagne with the fishnet stockings, 6 inch high-heels, and possibly a missing tooth on the corner of 14th and T Streets, NW at 1am. At least you know you'll get something out of Champagne[/quote]

SmootSmack, and you thought this thread was dead before it started. Your post has to be nominated HOF. Where the %^*# do you come up with that. Really Funny thanks for the laugh :rofl:
Maybe not the most news worthy but definatly entertaining.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;523665]we did, and no its not.[/quote]

BigHairedAristocrat, The authority of news worthyness. Apparently not everyone agrees with you. But next time I post a thread I'll run it by your desk first. :goodjob:

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[quote=SmootSmack;523721]I thought hooskins said he didn't know why Blache started Smoot in front of Rogers.

I think it was a combination of things 1.) Springs getting healthy, when healthy he's our best corner 2) Rogers being slightly "injured" with the flu or whatever it was he has that gave the team an opening 3) Hall making plays.

Overall I think it was a message to Rogers to make some damn plays. Rogers is like the good friend you go to the movies and dinner with and always have a good time but you hope for something more. Hall is Champagne with the fishnet stockings, 6 inch high-heels, and possibly a missing tooth on the corner of 14th and T Streets, NW at 1am. At least you know you'll get something out of Champagne[/quote]


Hey Smootsmack, my GPS does not do intersections any chance of a numerical address? You know...to help a brother out. lol.

I thought Smoot was brought in to help upgrade our CB position. Smoot actually played his best ball with us and we let him go. He was not that bad although his cushion was irritating in his first stint he was young enough to catch up and be effective most of the time....very similar to Rogers. Now Smoot is to old and can't catch up. He's better off jamming at the LOS.

AS far as Smoot replacing Rogers. I don't know. I noticed Smoot playing more often. possibly cause of injuries to Rogers and him being sick I'm not sure. When Rogers was healthy it seemed he couldn't get on the field. Then when Springs goes down instead of relying on Rogers, Hall was brought in. Hall is definitly an upgrade over Rogers but why they didn't move Smoot back to the Nickle back and bring Rogers back in with Hall was beyond me.

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[quote=44ever;523733]SmootSmack, and you thought this thread was dead before it started. Your post has to be nominated HOF. Where the %^*# do you come up with that. Really Funny thanks for the laugh :rofl:
Maybe not the most news worthy but definatly entertaining.[/quote]

Once summer in college, when I wanted some extra money I worked on that corner doing public relations...seriously...and no, I wasn't a Pimp. I was the Playa President!!! Seriously though, worked there one summer. Saw the occasional "Champagne" if I was at the office late enough. Ben's Chili Bowl for lunch

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[quote=SBXVII;523740]Hey Smootsmack, my GPS does not do intersections any chance of a numerical address? You know...to help a brother out. lol.

I thought Smoot was brought in to help upgrade our CB position. Smoot actually played his best ball with us and we let him go. He was not that bad although his cushion was irritating in his first stint he was young enough to catch up and be effective most of the time....very similar to Rogers. Now Smoot is to old and can't catch up. He's better off jamming at the LOS.

AS far as Smoot replacing Rogers. I don't know. I noticed Smoot playing more often. possibly cause of injuries to Rogers and him being sick I'm not sure. When Rogers was healthy it seemed he couldn't get on the field. Then when Springs goes down instead of relying on Rogers, Hall was brought in. Hall is definitly an upgrade over Rogers but[B] why they didn't move Smoot back to the Nickle back and bring Rogers back in with Hall was beyond me[/B].[/quote]

I remember after a game in the second half of the season Los basically said the corners were not put in position to make plays and it was as if the offense knew what they were gonna do. It seemed like he started getting less playing time after that.

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Okay, Cooley likes Vinny...hooray! The fact still remains that Vinny insisted on changing our offensive philosophy to a WCO with players that aren't suited to that type of offense. Vinny still refuses to draft for need. Vinny still refuses to admit that we need help on both Lines. Vinny still goes out and trades away future draft picks for 10 year veterans to one year contracts. Vinny wasted a 6th round draft pick on a damn Punter and then cuts him 4 weeks into the season when again, we needed help on the O-line.
I could go on and on but most people here understand where I'm coming from. Vinny needs to go. Danny needs to go and if neither one of those scenarios come to pass, this team will remain the mediocre franchise that it has become.

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[quote=MdBluefinCrab;523744]Okay, Cooley likes Vinny...hooray! The fact still remains that Vinny insisted on changing our offensive philosophy to a WCO with players that aren't suited to that type of offense. Vinny still refuses to draft for need. Vinny still refuses to admit that we need help on both Lines. Vinny still goes out and trades away future draft picks for 10 year veterans to one year contracts. Vinny wasted a 6th round draft pick on a damn Punter and then cuts him 4 weeks into the season when again, we needed help on the O-line.
I could go on and on but most people here understand where I'm coming from. Vinny needs to go. Danny needs to go and if neither one of those scenarios come to pass, this team will remain the mediocre franchise that it has become.[/quote]

Okay, first off it's Hip Hip Hooray. Secondly where did you come up with such an original post. Sorry Bluefincrab. I couldn't resist :)

Maybe if the Indians get their way we can change our name to the Washington Mediocres.

I think you gotta give this system at least one more season to make that statement solid. If things don't change next season Im right there with you. But let's at leasr see what Zorn can do. What other choice do we have brother.

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[quote=44ever;523747]Okay, first off it's Hip Hip Hooray. Secondly where did you come up with such an original post. Sorry Bluefincrab. I couldn't resist :)

Maybe if the Indians get their way we can change our name to the [B]Washington Mediocres[/B].

I think you gotta give this system at least one more season to make that statement solid. If things don't change next season Im right there with you. But let's at leasr see what Zorn can do. What other choice do we have brother.[/quote]

:laughing- It wouldn't be so funny if it weren't so true. :(

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Hard to go in a thread here anymore without someone asking if the thread should've even be made. I guess we should all just vote on one thread and post in it :p

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[quote=tryfuhl;523809]Hard to go in a thread here anymore without someone asking if the thread should've even be made. I guess we should all just vote on one thread and post in it :p[/quote]

Was this post even necessary? Let's have a vote

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Yeah the "Thread Police" can sometimes be obnoxious and hypocritical.
The reality is if someone does not like a thread don't read it.