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Interesting take on Campbell. I like the kid, but my patience with him is running out. I would have already benched him if I was the coach. I am sorry for saying that, but it is how I feel. I look at Campbell and McNabb and see two cities that veiw their QB's in an opposite manner. McNabb is on of the best winning QB's in the league and they hate him in Philadelphia. We have a QB that has been terrible and we give him every excuse for loosing. He has Portis, Moss and Cooley. How much more could he ask for. Its the Oline, its the recievers, no it is the quarterback.
[url=http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/02/06/redskins-jason-campbell-could-be-parting-ways-after-09-season/]Redskins, Jason Campbell Could Part Ways After '09 Season - NFL FanHouse[/url]

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[quote=T.O.Killa;525582]Interesting take on Campbell. I like the kid, but my patience with him is running out. [B]I would have already benched him if I was the coach.[/B] I am sorry for saying that, but it is how I feel. I look at Campbell and McNabb and see two cities that veiw their QB's in an opposite manner. McNabb is on of the best winning QB's in the league and they hate him in Philadelphia. We have a QB that has been terrible and we give him every excuse for loosing. He has Portis, Moss and Cooley. How much more could he ask for. Its the Oline, its the recievers, no it is the quarterback.
[URL="http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/02/06/redskins-jason-campbell-could-be-parting-ways-after-09-season/"]Redskins, Jason Campbell Could Part Ways After '09 Season - NFL FanHouse[/URL][/quote]

Benched him in favor of whom? Why, because he didn't set the world on fire in his first year running the WCO with an overall mediocre receiving corps?

This blog link is just stating the obvious - his contract is up after 2009, therefore we could part ways after the '09 season.

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[quote=GMScud;525586]Benched him in favor of whom? Why, because he didn't set the world on fire in his first year running the WCO with an overall mediocre receiving corps?

This blog link is just stating the obvious - his contract is up after 2009, therefore we could part ways after the '09 season.[/quote]

I would have started with Todd Collins. He went 4-0 last season.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;525587]I would have started with Todd Collins. He went 4-0 last season.[/quote]And if he hadn't been mercilessly eliminated from the playoffs after that, he would have gone 0-4 there.

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this is already being discussed in the leftwich thread. Like GMScud said this is stating the obvious. This could be said of over 100+ players in the NFL

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[quote=T.O.Killa;525587]I would have started with Todd Collins. He went 4-0 last season.[/quote]

And then he got a contract extension and proceeded to look lost and lousy in training camp and preseason. When Collins took us on our run in he was the beneficiary of a team on a mission after ST's murder, plus he was running a system he'd been in for years under Saunders.

Todd Collins is an old backup. That's it.

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[quote=GMScud;525591]And then he got a contract extension and proceeded to look lost and lousy in training camp and preseason. When Collins took us on our run in he was the beneficiary of a team on a mission after ST's murder, plus he was running a system he'd been in for years under Saunders.

Todd Collins is an old backup. That's it.[/quote]


I second this notion..

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[quote=T.O.Killa;525587]I would have started with Todd Collins. He went 4-0 last season.[/quote]

Starting Collins would have only made sense if the FO had retained Williams as HC and put the offense in the hands of Saunders. I'm one of the few who thought this was the wise move and still today i believe we'd have been a very competitive playoff team under Williams/Saunders... it wasn't meant to be. Collins has little to nothing to offer in the WCO. Jason is the best QB on our roster.

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Campbell is gone unless he really has a great year next season. I saythat just because it is natural for a player to ask for more money come contract renewal time. I doubt JC is going to sign for the same thing. He is poised to overtake Gus Frerotte in the all time Skins passing yardage around midseason. I mention that because when Gus was up for renewal Casserly got rid of him. If JC doesn't improve significantly and we miss the playoffs, I just can't see the Skins FO justifying resigning him.

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We can look at probably 20 other threads at least on this site and see the same arguments over and over. Ad nauseum is an understatement at this point.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;525582]Interesting take on Campbell. I like the kid, but my patience with him is running out. I would have already benched him if I was the coach. I am sorry for saying that, but it is how I feel. I look at Campbell and McNabb and see two cities that veiw their QB's in an opposite manner. McNabb is on of the best winning QB's in the league and they hate him in Philadelphia. [B]We have a QB that has been terrible and we give him every excuse for loosing. [/B]He has Portis, Moss and Cooley. How much more could he ask for. Its the Oline, its the recievers, no it is the quarterback.
[URL="http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/02/06/redskins-jason-campbell-could-be-parting-ways-after-09-season/"]Redskins, Jason Campbell Could Part Ways After '09 Season - NFL FanHouse[/URL][/quote]

I'm not even sure I can respond to such a silly comment. Derrick Anderson, Tavaris Jackson, Kyle Orton and Shawn Hill are guys that I would say are not good NFL QB's. With that being said how can you sit there and say JC is terrible?? He's not top tier but in no way shape or form is he terrible.

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Campbells got a great arm and great legs, other than that, he's not good. Surprised no ones mentioned the true successor, Brennan...

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I wish we could have more great threads just like this one.

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[quote=Nflnick11;525660]Campbells got a great arm and great legs, other than that, he's not good. Surprised no ones mentioned the true successor, Brennan...[/quote]

He also has a great smile

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[quote=skinsfan69;525641][B]I'm not even sure I can respond to such a silly comment.[/B] Derrick Anderson, Tavaris Jackson, Kyle Orton and Shawn Hill are guys that I would say are not good NFL QB's. With that being said how can you sit there and say JC is terrible?? He's not top tier but in no way shape or form is he terrible.[/quote]

Yeah I don't know either. At this point it's almost comical. Nothing starts up more "interesting" discussion than QB talk around here.

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[quote=44ever;525680]He also has a great smile[/quote]

and BIG lips...if colts not backup to campbell next year I'm going to flip

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anyone got a spare lock for this thread?

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These threads are starting to give me tired head!! Campbell is our starting QB...no one had a problem with the dude when the Skins were 6-2. In fact, alot of folks were singing his praise and saying "I was wrong about him". The slide began when the O-line got hurt and started struggling. Not to mention it was the first season in the WCO which is very different from the Gibbs/Saunders fighting-each-other-to-find-an-identity offensive system. I think that's being overlooked way too much. It does make a difference. Jason just needs to be in the same system for a few years. The guy has changed offenses more than most of us change our underwear (I personally don't wear any). Perhaps we're reading too much of what JLC (the Campbell Soup Oompa Loompa Kid) and other Skins-haters in the media are saying.

Stay the course for the next 2-3 seasons and see where we're at then. Change for the sake of change hasn't worked over the last 17 years. I don't see it being a formula for success moving forward either. I'm tired of being disappointed every year too, but I'd really like to see a consistent contender on the field and we can have that unless we have continuity.

HAIL!!

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[quote=SkinzzFan;525685]These threads are starting to give me tired head!! Campbell is our starting QB...no one had a problem with the dude when the Skins were 6-2. In fact, alot of folks were singing his praise and saying "I was wrong about him". The slide began when the O-line got hurt and started struggling. Not to mention it was the first season in the WCO which is very different from the Gibbs/Saunders fighting-each-other-to-find-an-identity offensive system. I think that's being overlooked way too much. It does make a difference. Jason just needs to be in the same system for a few years. The guy has changed offenses more than most of us change our underwear ([B]I personally don't wear any[/B]). Perhaps we're reading too much of what JLC (the Campbell Soup Oompa Loompa Kid) and other Skins-haters in the media are saying.

Stay the course for the next 2-3 seasons and see where we're at then. Change for the sake of change hasn't worked over the last 17 years. I don't see it being a formula for success moving forward either. I'm tired of being disappointed every year too, but I'd really like to see a consistent contender on the field and we can have that unless we have continuity.

HAIL!![/quote]

A little to much information but a good post nonetheless. Unfortunately you can repeat this until you're blue in the face and some people will still refuse to take into account 1. Our o-line sucked the 2nd half of the season, which coincides with Campbell's fall in production. It also affected Portis's production and the run game became less of a factor 2. That we were installing the WCO, which every QB who has ever played it says it takes at LEAST 2 years to become efficient in it. 3. Our receivers dropped balls and ran incorrect routes. Under these [B]exact same circumstances[/B], Brady would'nt of had a good year.

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I definately don't think that discussion about the QB should be off-limits, but there's absolutely nothing to talk about with Jason Campbell right now. There's his contract, but we're cap strapped, looking at an uncapped year in the future, and can negotiate with him when it makes more sense.

He's not good enough where we can start talking about pro-bowl snubs or his place among the games elite, but his development has just been so...run-of-the-mill that he just doesn't make an interesting topic of conversation.

Honestly, he hasn't deviated one bit from his expected development path. I don't think you could have scripted it to be less surprising. I don't understand where "he's just not that good." WHAT IN THE HELL WERE YOU EXPECTING?

Campbell arguments around here just suck. It's very obvious what we have in the guy. I don't have any idea how so many people are confused and don't know what we have in him.

Look, if he regresses next year (unexpectedly), then there will be some interesting Campbell topics in the off-season. Until then, I really think we need to put it to rest.

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[quote=GTripp0012;525709]I definately don't think that discussion about the QB should be off-limits, but there's absolutely nothing to talk about with Jason Campbell right now. There's his contract, but we're cap strapped, looking at an uncapped year in the future, and can negotiate with him when it makes more sense.

He's not good enough where we can start talking about pro-bowl snubs or his place among the games elite, but his development has just been so...run-of-the-mill that he just doesn't make an interesting topic of conversation.

Honestly, he hasn't deviated one bit from his expected development path. I don't think you could have scripted it to be less surprising. I don't understand where "he's just not that good." WHAT IN THE HELL WERE YOU EXPECTING?

Campbell arguments around here just suck. It's very obvious what we have in the guy. I don't have any idea how so many people are confused and don't know what we have in him.

Look, if he regresses next year (unexpectedly), then there will be some interesting Campbell topics in the off-season. Until then, I really think we need to put it to rest.[/quote]

Last word, 'nuff said, case closed!
Your cool, this thread sucks, Skins 4ever...I'm out!

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[quote=GTripp0012;525709]I definately don't think that discussion about the QB should be off-limits, but there's absolutely nothing to talk about with Jason Campbell right now. There's his contract, but we're cap strapped, looking at an uncapped year in the future, and can negotiate with him when it makes more sense.

He's not good enough where we can start talking about pro-bowl snubs or his place among the games elite, but his development has just been so...run-of-the-mill that he just doesn't make an interesting topic of conversation.

Honestly, he hasn't deviated one bit from his expected development path. I don't think you could have scripted it to be less surprising. I don't understand where "he's just not that good." WHAT IN THE HELL WERE YOU EXPECTING?

Campbell arguments around here just suck. It's very obvious what we have in the guy. I don't have any idea how so many people are confused and don't know what we have in him.

[B]Look, if he regresses next year (unexpectedly), then there will be some interesting Campbell topics in the off-season.[/B] Until then, I really think we need to put it to rest.[/quote]

Right, and if he does he probably won't be back, and we better hope Colt is ready. And if he does prove to be the QB we want him to be, we're going to have to fork over some big bucks to keep him.

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Ya know..I think it is funny that some say Campbell is not a fit for the west coast offense....It may be true...but if it is....it is the coaches responsibility to adapt the playbook around the abilities of the players.
Based on the theory that Campbell has a slow release...that would indicate that a good coach would adjust the playbook to do more play action, draws, reverses, sweeps and heavy up the gut running in combo of the deep ball...that sound a lot like Gibbs football plus creativity to me.

There are 2 ways to be successful
1. Hire the right guys to fit the system (depends on a good GM)
2. Change your system to adapt to the skills of the players (depends on a good Coach)

Its pretty obvious to me the Skins have consistantly tried multiple methods to maximize Campbells capability...that is actually a good sign...unfortunately, they have not found the right formula yet.

I like Campbell...I really think the blame goes to the Oline and lack of creative playcalling and protection schemes in the last half of the year. He is good folks...we are just not putting him in a position to win consistantly.

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[quote=skinsnut;525733]Ya know..I think it is funny that some say Campbell is not a fit for the west coast offense....It may be true...but if it is....it is the coaches responsibility to adapt the playbook around the abilities of the players.
Based on the theory that Campbell has a slow release...that would indicate that a good coach would adjust the playbook to do more play action, draws, reverses, sweeps and heavy up the gut running in combo of the deep ball...that sound a lot like Gibbs football plus creativity to me.

There are 2 ways to be successful
1. Hire the right guys to fit the system (depends on a good GM)
2. Change your system to adapt to the skills of the players (depends on a good Coach)

Its pretty obvious to me the Skins have consistantly tried multiple methods to maximize Campbells capability...that is actually a good sign...unfortunately, they have not found the right formula yet.

I like Campbell...I really think the blame goes to the Oline and lack of creative playcalling and protection schemes in the last half of the year. He is good folks...we are just not putting him in a position to win consistantly.[/quote]

Ya I agree 100% about the oline falling flat at the end of the season, but I still think that Campbell isn't that great because I feel like he just goes into the huddle and says "___ I'm throwing to you. And if it not open I'm gonna run" it's like Campbell can't look at his 2nd or 3rd reads. He just looks lost a lot and sometimes looks like he was just asleep and woke up on the field of a football game.

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If there is truely open competition for QB this preseason JC wont be the starter.

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[quote=Nflnick11;525736]Ya I agree 100% about the oline falling flat at the end of the season, but I still think that Campbell isn't that great because I feel like he just goes into the huddle and says "___ I'm throwing to you. And if it not open I'm gonna run" it's like Campbell can't look at his 2nd or 3rd reads. He just looks lost a lot and sometimes looks like he was just asleep and woke up on the field of a football game.[/quote]

Actually if you had been paying attention you would realize that he stares down his check down reciever and doesn't attempt passes to the primary as often as he should (says coach zorn).

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[quote=irish;525740]If there is truely open competition for QB this preseason JC wont be the starter.[/quote]

I like Colt as much as the next guy, but at this point JC still has the advantage.

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[quote=Angry;525742]Actually if you had been paying attention you would realize that he stares down his check down reciever and doesn't attempt passes to the primary as often as he should (says coach zorn).[/quote]

Maybe you misheard cause all I would hear is how he always looks for his first option and even if it's not open he waits for it to get open, don't you recall the announcers during the cowboys game last year saying that brian Stewart , cowboys defensive coordinator, said that Campbell stays on his first read, and that if the could take away his they would win, which they did and he was picked off... And zorn would say we'll Jason had so and so wide open down open but he was trying to get it to Clinton , or Santana when he had Devon thomas wide open...

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Wide open ** down the field**

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Ha! Here we go again. Couldn't we just re-open one of the 10,000,000 other threads that are EXACTLY the same as this one?

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Hey Matty. Ever thought about starting a Redskin, "We hate whoever the starting QB is at the time." site? Or maybe..." All Redskins...All Bitching!"?

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[quote=Nflnick11;525745]Maybe you misheard cause all I would hear is how he always looks for his first option and even if it's not open he waits for it to get open, don't you recall the announcers during the cowboys game last year saying that [B]brian Stewart , cowboys defensive coordinator, said that Campbell stays on his first read[/B], and that if the could take away his they would win, which they did and he was picked off... And zorn would say we'll Jason had so and so wide open down open but he was trying to get it to Clinton , or Santana when he had Devon thomas wide open...[/quote]Boy, last season worked out wonderful for Brian Stewart and his incredible powers of observation.

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:lol: :laughing2

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[quote=Nflnick11;525745][b]Maybe you misheard cause all I would hear is how he always looks for his first option and even if it's not open he waits for it to get open,[/b] don't you recall the announcers during the cowboys game last year saying that brian Stewart , cowboys defensive coordinator, said that Campbell stays on his first read, and that if the could take away his they would win, which they did and he was picked off... And zorn would say we'll Jason had so and so wide open down open but he was trying to get it to Clinton , or Santana when he had Devon thomas wide open...[/quote]
And most people who repeat this same old mantra always ignore Zorn's criticism of Campbell's late season play when he said that Campbell was [b][i]moving too quickly through his reads[/b][/i] and missing opportunities.

This board would be so much more enjoyable and have more substance in their threads if fans would accept 3 simple truths:
1. Jason Campbell is unquestionably our QB going into the 2009 season. There will be no camp competition, nor should there be. He's going to get AT LEAST 10 games without any risk of losing his position.
2. JC and JZ are linked at the hip. If Campbell succeeds, the team succeeds and Zorn sticks around. If Campbell doesn't develop and the team struggles or is worse than this year then Zorn [b]and[/b] Campbell will both be gone in '10. By this time next year we will know without question if JC is our QB of the future or not.
3. Colt Brennan was drafted to be a long term project and likely a career backup. He put up sick numbers in college and lit up some UPS drivers, but anyone who knows anything about football could see that even in his 'highlights' in the preseason many of his throws would have been picked or gotten his WR killed against NFL starters. Think Shane Matthews/Danny Wuerffel. Seriously. That's who he is in the NFL.

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[quote=irish;525740]If there is truely open competition for QB this preseason JC wont be the starter.[/quote]

LA-LA Land called. They said they miss you and it's time to come home.

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[quote=irish;525740]If there is truely open competition for QB this preseason JC wont be the starter.[/quote]

Of course not. Randall-El's the man baby!

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[quote=Paintrain;525756]And most people who repeat this same old mantra always ignore Zorn's criticism of Campbell's late season play when he said that Campbell was [B][I]moving too quickly through his reads[/I][/B] and missing opportunities.

This board would be so much more enjoyable and have more substance in their threads if fans would accept 3 simple truths:
1. Jason Campbell is unquestionably our QB going into the 2009 season. There will be no camp competition, nor should there be. He's going to get AT LEAST 10 games without any risk of losing his position.
2. JC and JZ are linked at the hip. If Campbell succeeds, the team succeeds and Zorn sticks around. If Campbell doesn't develop and the team struggles or is worse than this year then Zorn [B]and[/B] Campbell will both be gone in '10. By this time next year we will know without question if JC is our QB of the future or not.
3. Colt Brennan was drafted to be a long term project and likely a career backup. He put up sick numbers in college and lit up some UPS drivers, but anyone who knows anything about football could see that even in his 'highlights' in the preseason many of his throws would have been picked or gotten his WR killed against NFL starters. Think Shane Matthews/Danny Wuerffel. Seriously. That's who he is in the NFL.[/quote]

Great post Paintrain.

One of the funniest things to me is for years as a fan base we bitched and moaned about our pathetic QB situation. Now we have the closest thing we've had in God knows how long to an improving, solid young (just turned 27) quarterback, and half the people want to see him either traded or benched for Colt friggin Brennan. It just baffles me. COLT BRENNAN COULDN'T BEAT OUT TODD COLLINS FOR THE #2 SPOT!!! HELLO!!??

Get your heads on straight people.

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[quote=53Fan;525763]Of course not. Randall-El's the man baby![/quote]
~~~~~~
Question is, would El throw down the field or constantly throw across it like he runs?

I say bring back Jay Schrader!HAHA

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[quote=GMScud;525762]LA-LA Land called. They said they miss you and it's time to come home.[/quote]
He's off the meds again. We'll send someone right out.

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[quote=Paintrain;525756]And most people who repeat this same old mantra always ignore Zorn's criticism of Campbell's late season play when he said that Campbell was [B][I]moving too quickly through his reads[/I][/B] and missing opportunities.

This board would be so much more enjoyable and have more substance in their threads if fans would accept 3 simple truths:
1. Jason Campbell is unquestionably our QB going into the 2009 season. There will be no camp competition, nor should there be. He's going to get AT LEAST 10 games without any risk of losing his position.
2. JC and JZ are linked at the hip. If Campbell succeeds, the team succeeds and Zorn sticks around. If Campbell doesn't develop and the team struggles or is worse than this year then Zorn [B]and[/B] Campbell will both be gone in '10. By this time next year we will know without question if JC is our QB of the future or not.
[B]3. Colt Brennan was drafted to be a long term project and likely a career backup. He put up sick numbers in college and lit up some UPS drivers, but anyone who knows anything about football could see that even in his 'highlights' in the preseason many of his throws would have been picked or gotten his WR killed against NFL starters[/B]. Think Shane Matthews/Danny Wuerffel. Seriously. That's who he is in the NFL.[/quote]

I'm not so sure about that. Let see how things play out in training camp.