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Ok, so the point of this thread is for you to pick one player, and ONLY one player and state your case for why the Redskins should add this player to the roster for 2009.

Remember only one player. It can be a free agent, a draft pick, or someone likely to be on the trading block, such as Anquan Boldin. Remember, if you pick someone like Boldin you need to make your case for why he's worth giving up multiple picks when we have a limited amount as is.

I don't know who I'd pick, so I'll state my case later.

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Any of the big four offensive tackles available in the draft. The OL is old and needs more beef. A pick like that will extend Portis's useful life and aid Campbell's development, he'd make a big impact for years.

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Albert Haynesworth.

A dominant DT like this dramatically improves your entire defense. Dont think so? See Ngata in Baltimore, Williams(s) in Minn, Jenkins in NY, Stroud in Buffalo, Wilfork in New England...the list goes on.

A massive two gap tackle can free up your ends to rush the passer or push the pocket himself. This is less time your corners have to cover and also subjects the secondary to more plays on rushed, errant throws. In the run game he can play 2 gap and allow your linebackers to make more plays.

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Wow, only one? This isn't going to be easy. I think that Alex Mack is the most realistic and best choice.

Upside

One: He's the best center available.

Two: We can trade down to get him and get other picks.

Three: He can play other positions.

Four: We will not wonder who's going to be our Center for the next few years.

Five: When was the last time we drafted a Center?

Six: If we pick him up later in the draft we'll not have to pay him as much as a 13th pick.

Seven: If he does become a solid center other teams will want to trade picks for him not vice versa.

Downside

One: He might be a washout. I don't think so, but maybe.

Two: It might take him a year or two to get some playing time.

:headbange

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We obviously need more than one player but if I could only pick one........Alex Mack.
He would make our line better almost instantly because he could start as a rookie.
He can play center or guard. If Rabach stays as our starting center, Mack could play guard at a high level until he's needed to replace Rabach.
The middle of our line becomes stronger and we can run up the middle and JC has a pocket to step up into.
As Tramp stated, we could trade down, gain a pick and still get our man.
He's been compared to Matt Birk and should be able to anchor this line at a high level for many years.
I believe we can get a starting RT with a lower pick. The top four are not the only good prospects.
The OT's are rising and falling and there is no concensus no.1. Many reports have Mack as the best center prospect in many years.
The man is huge and the closest thing I've seen to a HOG since the originals.
And lastly.....Buges would LOVE this guy and he deserves a guy like this to coach!

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Easy...Lechler. The Redskins kicking game has been a mess for the last 15 years and this move will fix the punting game for the next decade. No other single move that we can make is gaurenteed to fix a problem. If we get Boldin maybe that still doesn't work if the QB & OL don't get it done. Haynesworth is a position we need but maybe he gets lazy once his bank account is filled. However, Lechler will fix our punting problem without a doubt so he's my choice.

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I'll be honest I really can't pick one. My only concern is picking someone from the draft because it seems the Skins have issues with playing anyone who is a Rookie. Heyer got in due to injuries. It seems they don't have a problem with defensive rookies though. Atleast for the most part.

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[quote=53Fan;527007]We obviously need more than one player but if I could only pick one........Alex Mack.
He would make our line better almost instantly because he could start as a rookie.
He can play center or guard. If Rabach stays as our starting center, Mack could play guard at a high level until he's needed to replace Rabach.
The middle of our line becomes stronger and we can run up the middle and JC has a pocket to step up into.
As Tramp stated, we could trade down, gain a pick and still get our man.
He's been compared to Matt Birk and should be able to anchor this line at a high level for many years.
I believe we can get a starting RT with a lower pick. The top four are not the only good prospects.
The OT's are rising and falling and there is no concensus no.1. Many reports have Mack as the best center prospect in many years.
The man is huge and the closest thing I've seen to a HOG since the originals.
And lastly.....Buges would LOVE this guy and he deserves a guy like this to coach![/quote]

100% agreed!! For the few picks that we have he would be the anchor, QB of the line. I don't care that you don't draft a C/G till the 2nd or 3rd pick, I think this guy is special and I would make an exemption.

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So the consensus is a punter and a couple of guys who have never played a down in the NFL.

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Eugene Monroe - Virginia - Offensive Tackle

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If I was going to throw money at one big FA it would be Karlos Dansby. He can do it all at LB and I think he's just hitting his stride as a big time player.

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A good 4-3 linebacker that is proven in the pros. Dansby or Scott.

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[quote=Mattyk72;527013]If I was going to throw money at one big FA it would be Karlos Dansby.* He can do it all at LB and I think he's just hitting his stride as a big time player.[/quote]Matty he would be awsome but he's got a franchise tag waiting for him Im sure. Would you still be interested if that was the case?

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[quote=44ever;527020]Matty he would be awsome but he's got a franchise tag waiting for him Im sure. Would you still be interested if that was the case?[/quote]

If he's franchised, definitely not.

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No doubt, a dominant OT in the draft. Every team I can remember that drafted an OT in the first round in the last few years improved the next season.

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[quote=DirtyLandry;527011]So the consensus is a punter and a couple of guys who have never played a down in the NFL.[/quote]

Haynesworth has money written all over him.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;527030]Haynesworth has money written all over him.[/quote]

Some would argue that Haynesworth is not only the most dominant player at his position, but the most dominant player in the league. In making my case for one player, I pointed out how such a force at DT could vastly improve and entire side of the ball. I would rather give a proven stud tackle in his prime a shit ton of cash than take a gamble on some kid from college. Also, why break tradition? We're a team that spends high dollar amounts on free agents and if we're gonna continue the trend, then this should be the guy to do it with.

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ANQUAN BOLDIN!!!! Is a True Stud #1 WR, this would mean Moss can be a very good Num2, and Thomas can be the 3. I would trade our 13th Pick and Randel El to AZ... We can add a DL or OL later in the draft or via F.A.

Think about it.. Boldin,Moss,Cooley,Portis WOW!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;527036]ANQUAN BOLDIN!!!! Is a True Stud #1 WR, this would mean Moss can be a very good Num2, and Thomas can be the 3. I would trade our 13th Pick and Randel El to AZ... We can add a DL or OL later in the draft or via F.A.

Think about it.. Boldin,Moss,Cooley,Portis WOW![/quote]

I would like to see El in the slot next year for us.

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[quote=DirtyLandry;527035]Some would argue that Haynesworth is not only the most dominant player at his position, but the most dominant player in the league. In making my case for one player, I pointed out how such a force at DT could vastly improve and entire side of the ball. I would rather give a proven stud tackle in his prime a shit ton of cash than take a gamble on some kid from college. Also, why break tradition? We're a team that spends high dollar amounts on free agents and if we're gonna continue the trend, then this should be the guy to do it with.[/quote]

It's a tradition I'd wish they'd get away from. If it is an uncapped year in 2010 I can see the logic. If it's not we'll have to eat a big s**t sandwich in cap space. Personally, I'd like to start developing our own Haynesworths, Dansbys, and Jacobs.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;527036]ANQUAN BOLDIN!!!! Is a True Stud #1 WR, this would mean Moss can be a very good Num2, and Thomas can be the 3. I would trade our 13th Pick and Randel El to AZ... We can add a DL or OL later in the draft or via F.A.

Think about it.. Boldin,Moss,Cooley,Portis WOW![/quote]

Easy there. We've spent a lot of effort as a team trying to bring in recievers and have even had them in the past. Most recent ones being Coles during his first year with us and Moss during his first year with us, and Cooley over the last three or four years. The most it's gotten is us is one playoff game. Ironically I'd argue the reasons we made the playoffs when we did was mainly in part because of the acquisitions we made on the O-line since Jansen, subquently leading us to acquire Samuals, Dockery, Thomas, Rabach, and Kendall. We're at our best when our O-Line is healthy and teams have proven time and time again that the Madden dream team lineup's rarely work, with the Lions being the poster child followed by the Bengals. Arizona is an exception to that rule and they came complete with an elite Quarterback in Kurt Warner.

I believe you also saw how well Campbell can be when he has time to throw as well as a running game to supplement our offense and you also saw how poorly we did when our O-line crumbled. Adding another reciever that will not only take us out a high draft pick not to mention valuable salary capspace is not the answer.

One things for sure we have to add a Tackle, preferably a right tackle that can later become a left tackle. Unfortunately I might have to seatle for Jordan Gross, which wouldn't be the worse thing. He's remained healthy for most of his career and elite tackles have proven they can be effective till their mid 30's. On top of that he can play Left Tackle so should Samuels go down we would have a guy that could at least protect JC's blind side.

Still I would much rather see the team draft a guy that we can use for the next 5 to 10 years instead of a guy that might last 3 to 5 years if we're lucky. Of course he'll probably bring in a seven year contract so that'll help. Hell if I get my way the team will walk away with a RT/LT hybrid in the first and a Center in the third, but that will not happen.

A revamped O-line that can get at least three new starters on the field will give JC the time he needs while our freaking fleet of wideouts attempts to get open. On top of that we'll be able to get back our running game which is critical as this teams style ever since Gibbs came back has been to close out games on the ground which is fine because we have the defense that can back us up.

However I will say it was hillarious at the pro bowl when Portis turned to Boldin and said "WHAT UP TEAMMATE!"

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;527038]It's a tradition I'd wish they'd get away from. If it is an uncapped year in 2010 I can see the logic.[B] If it's not we'll have to eat a big s**t sandwich in cap space.[/B] Personally, I'd like to start developing our own Haynesworths, Dansbys, and Jacobs.[/quote]

Exactly, and who knows how Haynesworth will play once he gets his fat contract? That's the kind of thing Snyder use to do and got us into this mess to begin with.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;527040]Easy there. We've spent a lot of effort as a team trying to bring in recievers and have even had them in the past. Most recent ones being Coles during his first year with us and Moss during his first year with us, and Cooley over the last three or four years. The most it's gotten is us is one playoff game. Ironically I'd argue the reasons we made the playoffs when we did was mainly in part because of the acquisitions we made on the O-line since Jansen, subquently leading us to acquire Samuals, Dockery, Thomas, Rabach, and Kendall. We're at our best when our O-Line is healthy and teams have proven time and time again that the Madden dream team lineup's rarely work, with the Lions being the poster child followed by the Bengals. Arizona is an exception to that rule and they came complete with an elite Quarterback in Kurt Warner.

I believe you also saw how well Campbell can be when he has time to throw as well as a running game to supplement our offense and you also saw how poorly we did when our O-line crumbled. Adding another reciever that will not only take us out a high draft pick not to mention valuable salary capspace is not the answer.

One things for sure we have to add a Tackle, preferably a right tackle that can later become a left tackle. Unfortunately I might have to seatle for Jordan Gross, which wouldn't be the worse thing. He's remained healthy for most of his career and elite tackles have proven they can be effective till their mid 30's. On top of that he can play Left Tackle so should Samuels go down we would have a guy that could at least protect JC's blind side.

Still I would much rather see the team draft a guy that we can use for the next 5 to 10 years instead of a guy that might last 3 to 5 years if we're lucky. Of course he'll probably bring in a seven year contract so that'll help. Hell if I get my way the team will walk away with a RT/LT hybrid in the first and a Center in the third, but that will not happen.

A revamped O-line that can get at least three new starters on the field will give JC the time he needs while our freaking fleet of wideouts attempts to get open. On top of that we'll be able to get back our running game which is critical as this teams style ever since Gibbs came back has been to close out games on the ground which is fine because we have the defense that can back us up.

However I will say it was hillarious at the pro bowl when Portis turned to Boldin and said "WHAT UP TEAMMATE!"[/quote]

So you're saying Jordan Gross Dirtbag?

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;527042]So you're saying Jordan Gross Dirtbag?[/quote]

More or less yes. Only from the position on what I think the front office might do. If it were me I would spend our first two draft picks on a RT and a Center or Guard (especially if a guy like Herman Johnson fell to us in the third). Then sign a stopgap at OLB then wait for next years draft to focus on the D-Line and hope that a change in mentality will equal a more productive defensive front. Still the O-Line is in the burning building while the D-Line is stuck in the building next to the burning building.

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Well first off a stud RT @ 13 is the easy answer... Monroe or Jason Smith are my top picks but any of the top four should be starters.

... the interesting case though is Suggs. Basically i see it this way: SLB is going to be a need because Marcus and the FO seem to have mutually agreed to part ways. So we have to address a need and it's an opportunity to add a playmaker within the front seven at the same time. I don't have a problem w/ big Albert [I]if[/I] we had the money to address the need @ SLB and sign another big FA... but regardless I think Suggs will make a bigger impact than haynesworth. Suggs is a monster tackler and a guy who can rush the QB whenever the call comes in, and just from listening to him you get the idea he loves the game. Haynesworth IMO will not perform at a high level when he gets his payday... he'll take more downs off and struggle to stay motivated. I also don't think his potential would be maximized in our system where the DTs always appear to plug gaps and mash the run before pushing toward the QB... i could easily be wrong here but that's what I think i see.

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Jonathan Vilma MLB:
He is a natural MLB but he is athletic enough to play OLB(Replacing M.Washington). After a year or possibly two, we can move him back to MLB to replace Fletcher.

He won't brake the bank and is only 25 or 26 years old. He has a legal matter pending but it still think he is worth the risk.

He will be cheaper than Suggs and I think he fits our system better than Suggs.

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Or
Ade Jimoh!

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Troy Vincent .... just for Dallas Week's .... just in case

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[QUOTE=The Goat SLB is going to be a need because Marcus and the FO seem to have mutually agreed to part ways.[/QUOTE] Haven't heard that yet but with as many injuries as he has it makes sense as well as Springs,Love em but we need younger [U]capable[/U] bodies.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;527036]ANQUAN BOLDIN!!!! Is a True Stud #1 WR, this would mean Moss can be a very good Num2, and Thomas can be the 3. I would trade our 13th Pick and Randel El to AZ... We can add a DL or OL later in the draft or via F.A.

Think about it.. Boldin,Moss,Cooley,Portis WOW![/quote]

Im thinking about it... JC gets the snap Boldin, Moss, Cooley running their routes. No protection for JC. JC cant find recievers. SACK! or kill Portis again![url=http://www.azcardinals.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2325]Official Site of the Arizona Cardinals[/url]


EUGENE MONROE - VIRGINIA - OFFENSIVE TACKLE
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qna40zT5FVk&feature=PlayList&p=12E1259CDB50F5BD&playnext=1&index=1[/ame]
lets start doing things in order.

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[quote=44ever;527055]Im thinking about it... JC gets the snap Boldin, Moss, Cooley running their routes. No protection for JC. JC cant find recievers. SACK! or kill Portis again![url=http://www.azcardinals.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2325]Official Site of the Arizona Cardinals[/url]


EUGENE MONROE - VIRGINIA - OFFENSIVE TACKLE
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qna40zT5FVk&feature=PlayList&p=12E1259CDB50F5BD&playnext=1&index=1]YouTube - LT Eugene Monroe Highlights Virginia 2008[/url]
[B]lets start doing things in order[/B].[/quote]

Exactly. Nice post 44. And Monroe is a topflight OT.

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[quote=53Fan;527059]Exactly. Nice post 44. And Monroe is a topflight OT.[/quote]

Im just afraid he will get taken too soon. Maybe we get lucky.

The problem I see with FA is anyone good is $$$$$ or/and franchise tag and age. The rest dont do much to help us. We definatly dont want to be giving up any draft picks.

I would like to do it through the draft and develop from within. We need to start finding our own diamonds in the rough instead of paying big for ify FA's.

Yes it may take a little longer to get where we want to go but once there we can be there for a long time.

After lossing for so many years, one winning season wont satisfy me.

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Alex Mack doing what he does. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8xCkToEnJ8]YouTube - Alex Mack Run Blocking Highlights[/url]

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[quote=53Fan;527071]Alex Mack doing what he does. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8xCkToEnJ8]YouTube - Alex Mack Run Blocking Highlights[/url][/quote]

Very Nice 53! Guys like Mack is what makes the offense flow. Clear lanes for the QB to see and for RB's to explode through. We need to be looking at these type of guys. We also have to keep in mind that one of our WO's might develop in 2009 if this happens we could be looking at a post season.

But it wont happen without pass protection.

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This is a great year to draft an OT, but I'm leaning towards passing on one of the big four (or five, depending on your point of view) and going after either Vernon Carey or Khalif Barnes in free agency.

Barnes is probably more talented overall, but he has lots of question marks in terms of his maturity. I'd probably lean toward Carey. He can play almost all positions along the line, he hasn't missed a game in four or five years, he's only 27-28 years old. I understand that's not exactly young, but compared to what we have he's a baby.

I think if we can sign either one of them, it gives us some flexibility to trade down and not worry so much about getting an elite OT, but we could still get someone like a Britton or Duke Robinson later in the first to help our line out.

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[quote=SmootSmack;527074]This is a great year to draft an OT, but I'm leaning towards passing on one of the big four (or five, depending on your point of view) and going after either Vernon Carey or Khalif Barnes in free agency.Barnes is probably more talented overall, but he has lots of question marks in terms of his maturity. I'd probably lean toward Carey. He can play almost all positions along the line, he hasn't missed a game in four or five years, he's only 27-28 years old. I understand that's not exactly young, but compared to what we have he's a baby.I think if we can sign either one of them, it gives us some flexibility to trade down and not worry so much about getting an elite OT, but we could still get someone like a Britton or Duke Robinson later in the first to help our line out.[/quote]I would be happy with Duke Robinson.* I just really want the modern day Jacoby type player back in OT. If we could match Duke up with a stud OT we would dominate!

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;527038]It's a tradition I'd wish they'd get away from. If it is an uncapped year in 2010 I can see the logic. If it's not we'll have to eat a big s**t sandwich in cap space. Personally, I'd like to start developing our own Haynesworths, Dansbys, and Jacobs.[/quote]

This team does not draft well. We've tried to "develop" guys like Golston and Montgomery and where has that gotten us?

Also, this team is not young and DOES NOT have time to develop a bunch of mid to later round picks. We need to win now or let the rebuilding begin in 2010. Theres not another single player that could improve a team like Haynesworth could.

Judging by the reaction from others on this site it's unequivocally clear that posters here watch far more college than they do the pros. I guess watching boys in school play sloppy football is more entertaining.

I can also guarantee that Haynesworth is not Bruce Smith, Deon Sanders or Adam Archuletta. I can understand why fans are apprehensive when it comes to free agent acquisitions, but it doesn't mean you just shy away from FA's all together. Drafting well is important, but so is spending top dollar to add elite players that could augment your entire team.

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[quote=DirtyLandry;527077]This team does not draft well. We've tried to "develop" guys like Golston and Montgomery and where has that gotten us?

Also, this team is not young and DOES NOT have time to develop a bunch of mid to later round picks. We need to win now or let the rebuilding begin in 2010. Theres not another single player that could improve a team like Haynesworth could.

Judging by the reaction from others on this site it's unequivocally clear that posters here watch far more college than they do the pros. I guess watching boys in school play sloppy football is more entertaining.

I can also guarantee that Haynesworth is not Bruce Smith, Deon Sanders or Adam Archuletta. I can understand why fans are apprehensive when it comes to free agent acquisitions, but it doesn't mean you just shy away from FA's all together. Drafting well is important, but so is spending top dollar to add elite players that could augment your entire team.[/quote]

Everyone here knows what Haynesworth can do. Its not just about $$$ its about giving up draft picks. Haynesworth will have a tag no doubt.
[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d806b4b5f&template=without-video&confirm=true]Agent: Titans plan to franchise DT Haynesworth by deadline[/url]

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as far as Haynesworth goes; I think he really wants to stay in Tennesse - ala Brett Farve/GB, the pro bowl interview i saw he really had a hard time distancing himself. If a player only leaves due to money, he's not gonna be the same player at the next place. He gushed over his family and their place in Tennessee.

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[quote=44ever;527079]Everyone here knows what Haynesworth can do. Its not just about $$$ its about giving up draft picks. Haynesworth will have a tag no doubt.
[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d806b4b5f&template=without-video&confirm=true]Agent: Titans plan to franchise DT Haynesworth by deadline[/url][/quote]

I hear what your saying, but Mr. Smack did not ask "Whats the most prudent, logical, fiscally responsible move you would make in the offseason."