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So, anyone else watch it? What did you guys think?

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I thought it was good that he put some positive spin on things, I think people needed to hear some optimism.

On the other hand I thought Bobby Jindal's reaction was a complete joke.

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got to act like that. probobaly the front running republican for 2012. had to work. did i miss anything?

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[quote=Mattyk72;529869]I thought it was good that he put some positive spin on things, I think people needed to hear some optimism.

[B]On the other hand I thought Bobby Jindal's reaction was a complete joke[/B].[/quote]

It was very canned. Probably intentionally so. He was handpicked by the RNC to deliver the response. It was pretty blah, just an along party lines kind of thing.

Anyone else hear the MSNBC producer or host (someone off camera) say, "oh God," right before the Republican response? Silly lefties.

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Just like I can't wrap my head around how we have the cap room to keep Jason Taylor, Shawn Springs, DeAngelo Hall, AND acquire Albert Haynesworth, I can't wrap my head around how Obama can possibly:

- get our deficit cut in half by the end of his first term
- cut taxes to 95% of Americans
- increase spending on infrastructure
- infuse the financial system with enough cash to get banks to lend again

You know me, I do the math. And I just can't see how it adds up, either for the Redskins or for Obama!

But he was positive and he did unite the country. He's a good leader, and I like what he's doing in Afghanistan. The country needed to hear the positivity, even if it's mathematically impossible.

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Even the Republicans saying Jindal bombed

[url=http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aKyeCP.LGe5s&refer=home]Bloomberg.com: Worldwide[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk72;529869]I thought it was good that he put some positive spin on things, I think people needed to hear some optimism.

[B]On the other hand I thought Bobby Jindal's reaction was a complete joke[/B].[/quote]

Jindal's aw-shucks demeanor was too much. If this is the Republicans best option, they're screwed in 2012.

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[quote=GMScud;529885]It was very canned. Probably intentionally so. He was handpicked by the RNC to deliver the response. It was pretty blah, just an along party lines kind of thing.

Anyone else hear the MSNBC producer or host (someone off camera) say, "oh God," right before the Republican response? Silly lefties.[/quote]

It was Chris Matthews

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[quote=724Skinsfan;529891]Jindal's aw-shucks demeanor was too much. If this is the Republicans best option, they're screwed in 2012.[/quote]

No doubt.

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[quote=SmootSmack;529892]It was Chris Matthews[/quote]

I guess Jindal doesn't send a thrill up his leg.:)

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Yeah, let's discuss the response, not the actual speech...

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help a bother out then. like i said earlier, missed it. what about the speech, buster?

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[quote=Schneed10;529888]Just like I can't wrap my head around how we have the cap room to keep Jason Taylor, Shawn Springs, DeAngelo Hall, AND acquire Albert Haynesworth, I can't wrap my head around how Obama can possibly:

- get our deficit cut in half by the end of his first term
- cut taxes to 95% of Americans
- increase spending on infrastructure
- infuse the financial system with enough cash to get banks to lend again

You know me, I do the math. And I just can't see how it adds up, either for the Redskins or for Obama!

But he was positive and he did unite the country. He's a good leader, and I like what he's doing in Afghanistan. The country needed to hear the positivity, even if it's mathematically impossible.[/quote]


I caught about 15min of his speech and all I heard was spend spend spend and like you don't understand how he can do all this spending and cut the deficit in half. I have never heard of theGOP's guy and did not even see him at all but from what I heard he was pretty flat and thats coming for the right.

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Question: Who the frick cares about Jindal, the governor of friggin LOUISIANA?

How bout we focus on what Obama had to say, since he's the one charged with leading this country.

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[quote=GMScud;529885]It was very canned. Probably intentionally so. He was handpicked by the RNC to deliver the response. It was pretty blah, just an along party lines kind of thing.

Anyone else hear the MSNBC producer or host (someone off camera) say, "oh God," right before the Republican response? Silly lefties.[/quote]
This is becoming an on going theme with MSNBC but at least we know now where they stand and their bias reporting.

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I watched a classic Magnum PI instead. It was a Naval Intelligence plot where Col. Green is exchanging a Vietnamese agent for an American POW, with Thomas Magnum caught in the middle.

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Hey Schneed, this article does a pretty good job of at least beginning to chart the funding mechanisms for the President's various proposals. [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/26/us/politics/26budget.html?hp[/url]

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[quote=724Skinsfan;529891]Jindal's aw-shucks demeanor was too much. If this is the Republicans best option, they're screwed in 2012.[/quote]


in 2012 it want matter who run's........ Obama is here to stay! no matter who likes it are not!

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^ and we're done here.

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[quote=Redskins247;529976]^ and we're done here.[/quote]

Thats Right. we are

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[quote=1stBlkPres;529983]Thats Right. we are[/quote]

:doh:

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Any bets on how long it takes for "1stBlkPres" to get banned? I bet with in the first 10 posts, he will be gone.

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[quote=djnemo65;529934]Hey Schneed, this article does a pretty good job of at least beginning to chart the funding mechanisms for the President's various proposals. [URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/26/us/politics/26budget.html?hp[/URL][/quote]
When our national debt is over $10 Trillion it's not the time for new(or expanded) social programs and bailouts.

[URL="http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/"]U.S. National Debt Clock[/URL]

Halving the deficit still means the national debt increases by over $ 500B / yr. SS, Medicare and interest on the national debt eat up over 50% of the U.S. budget. If Obama and the Dems want to leave a legacy and truly change the U.S., they need to stop the wasteful spending, overhaul the tax code, overhaul SS & Medicare, pass a balanced budget ammendment, and any tax increases should be used to pay down the national debt.

Before the lefties yell, what about Bush, Bush increased this and left Obama with that, I'm just stating what needs to be done, not placing blame on any party. The Dems have almost complete control of the Gov't. They have the ability to do the right things.

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Thoughts on Obama's speech:
[LIST=1][*]This was his best speech to date and this is coming from someone who has seen all his speeches.[*]He felt very comfortable and confidant. It was amazing to see some liveliness from the president.[*]Pelosi should have stood up and clap the whole night. No wonder she's house speaker, she knows how to be a cheerleader. Did she really need to cheer lead the whole god damn night though? I was feeling Biden's pain.[*]What was John Boner doing there? He looked like he had something stuck up his ass and the look on his face was awful.[*]I am very pleased to hear Obama is going to pursue universal health care.[*]It was kinda corny but liked the line "dropping out of high school [is] not just quitting on yourself, it's quitting on your country."[*]What about taxes for single people god damn it?!!! Is the cutoff line 250K for me?[*]Talk is cheap, show me the money and the budget...recovery.gov is garbage. I make better tracking system every time I take a piss.[/LIST]
Thoughts on Jindal's response:
[LIST=1][*]It's not fair to compare him to Obama.[*]He tried way-way too hard. His Meet the Press performance was much better.[*]This is a big boy's league. There are limited roster spots -- friends and foes are trying to land a roster spot. You got to bring your A-game. When you intend to run for high office the line between friends and foes is murky.[*]The substance of his entire speech was bullsh*t much like the substance of his Meet the Press appearance. Complaining about funding for volcano detection system is unf*cking inexcusable, especially from a Louisiana official. Might as well have said why spend money shoring up the levies in NO. What I don't understand is whether they do some thinking at all.[*]I didn't think his intended audience was as wide as Obama's. Singing to the base won't cut it anymore. You're in a ditch and you're digging for like minded subscribers? I don't get it.[*]Government is bad, government is bad, government is bad. Uufffff.[*]Congratulation to the nation of India. Slumdog Millionaire was a fantastic movie.[/LIST]

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;530011]When our national debt is over $10 Trillion it's not the time for new(or expanded) social programs and bailouts.

[URL="http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/"]U.S. National Debt Clock[/URL]

Halving the deficit still means the national debt increases by over $ 500B / yr. SS, Medicare and interest on the national debt eat up over 50% of the U.S. budget. If Obama and the Dems want to leave a legacy and truly change the U.S., they need to stop the wasteful spending, overhaul the tax code, overhaul SS & Medicare, pass a balanced budget ammendment, and any tax increases should be used to pay down the national debt.

Before the lefties yell, what about Bush, Bush increased this and left Obama with that, I'm just stating what needs to be done, not placing blame on any party. The Dems have almost complete control of the Gov't. They have the ability to do the right things.[/quote]
Everyone was pissed off when Bush was running up the debt and the democrats always criticized it, and now they doubled the deficit and want to keep spending more. Now Obama is talking about cutting the deficit in half, right after he doubled it. His goal is to get it down to where Bush had it. The only way he is going to meet the goal is to raise taxes and for the economy to recover, but raising taxes is going to make it harder for it to recover.

The goverment is like a parasite to the economy. All tax money is just money being taken out of the economy, and now the goverment is taking over more and more of the economy, which never works. Politicians do not know how to run businesses. They do things for political reasons, not for the business to be successful. Look what they did to the mortgage industry. The housing crisis is the governments fault.
[quote=New York Times 9/30/99]Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.

In addition, banks, thrift institutions and mortgage companies have been pressing Fannie Mae to help them make more loans to so-called subprime borrowers. These borrowers whose incomes, credit ratings and savings are not good enough to qualify for conventional loans, can only get loans from finance companies that charge much higher interest rates -- anywhere from three to four percentage points higher than conventional loans.

''Fannie Mae has expanded home ownership for millions of families in the 1990's by reducing down payment requirements,'' said Franklin D. Raines, Fannie Mae's chairman and chief executive officer. ''Yet there remain too many borrowers whose credit is just a notch below what our underwriting has required who have been relegated to paying significantly higher mortgage rates in the so-called subprime market.''
...
In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980's.

''From the perspective of many people, including me, this is another thrift industry growing up around us,'' said Peter Wallison a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. ''If they fail, the government will have to step up and bail them out the way it stepped up and bailed out the thrift industry.''
[/quote]
[URL="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE7DB153EF933A0575AC0A96F958260"]Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending - New York Times[/URL]

I know this isn't all about Obama's speech, but it needed to be said.

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[URL="http://orz.4chan.org/hr/src/1235533261225.jpg"]2004[/URL] vs [URL="http://orz.4chan.org/hr/src/1235545638730.jpg"]2009[/URL]...it doesn't take a genius to figure out how and where savings can be had, we'll see if Obama meets the gonad size required to get the job done.

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[quote=saden1;530057][URL="http://orz.4chan.org/hr/src/1235533261225.jpg"]2004[/URL] vs [URL="http://orz.4chan.org/hr/src/1235545638730.jpg"]2009[/URL]...it doesn't take a genius to figure out how and where savings can be had, we'll see if Obama meets the gonad size required to get the job done.[/quote]

one interesting note on those two visuals, the 2004 one has the pie split 2 ways - defense and congress and all the rests shoots off of those 2. the 2009 version has defense still separated out, but where congress was now it is just a huge jumble. not sure why the difference, but it does seem like it tries to makes congress less accountable, in a subtle way. also, again my opinion, the 2004 seems like a just the facts display, vs the 2009 one which seems more political

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;530073]one interesting note on those two visuals, the 2004 one has the pie split 2 ways - defense and congress and all the rests shoots off of those 2. the 2009 version has defense still separated out, but where congress was now it is just a huge jumble. not sure why the difference, but it does seem like it tries to makes congress less accountable, in a subtle way. also, again my opinion, the 2004 seems like a just the facts display, vs the 2009 one which seems more political[/quote]

What you're seeing is maturity in visualization approach not [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/20/us/politics/20budget.html"]politics[/URL]. Whatever angle you look from the numbers are straight from [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/www.omb.gov"]OMB[/URL] and speak for themselves.

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[quote=saden1;530230]What you're seeing is maturity in visualization approach not [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/20/us/politics/20budget.html"]politics[/URL]. Whatever angle you look from the numbers are straight from [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/www.omb.gov"]OMB[/URL] and speak for themselves.[/quote]
Really, no politics at all in how the numbers are presented? Come on, one has a HUGE pic of Iraq on the left side the other simply states the expenditures. One has all the non defense expenditures deriving from Congress which is appropriate, the other has lines going all over the place, and does a good job of obfuscation.
all in all its just alot of money going to be spent, and the bottom line is that the government is not going down anytime soon.(which i think was your point when showed it)

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[quote=saden1;530049]

It was kinda corny but liked the line "dropping out of high school [is] not just quitting on yourself, it's quitting on your country."
[/quote]

So it's okay to accuse high school dropouts of being un-patriotic? What if they dropped out to join the Marines and they're one of the 17,000 troops that President Obama just sent to Afghanistan? Have they quit on the country?

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where do you see the words unpatriotic? the republicans do not have the market cornered on patriotism, in case you didnt know:)

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[quote=dmek25;530341]where do you see the words unpatriotic? the republicans do not have the market cornered on patriotism, in case you didnt know:)[/quote]


Rosa Parks was a high school dropout. Also Josephine Baker, Redd Foxx (may his smutty soul RIP), Joe Frazier, Whoopi Goldberg, Chaka Khan, Gladys Knight, BB King, Eartha Kitt, Yaphett Kotto, LL Cool J, Charley Pride, and Barry White just to name a few.

Now, if President Obama wants to badmouth Conservatives, that's one thing, but I'm not about to sit here and let him badmouth The Maestro.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;530241]Really, no politics at all in how the numbers are presented? Come on, one has a HUGE pic of Iraq on the left side the other simply states the expenditures. One has all the non defense expenditures deriving from Congress which is appropriate, the other has lines going all over the place, and does a good job of obfuscation.
all in all its just alot of money going to be spent, and the bottom line is that the government is not going down anytime soon.(which i think was your point when showed it)[/quote]

To tell you the truth I don't really know what you're implying with your post. The creator is politically motivated and as such that's why he put Iraq on there? That perhaps he should use a picture of masked men of Arab decent instead?

[LIST=1][*]The War on Terror was not in the[URL="http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy04/pdf/budget/defense.pdf"] 2004 budget[/URL] so you won't see it on the chart.[*]The War on Terror was in the [URL="http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy09/pdf/budget/defense.pdf"]2009 budget[/URL] and therefore is in the chart.[*][URL="http://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33110.pdf"]76% of money[/URL] allocated to The War on Terror goes to Iraq and 20% goes to Afghanistan. That's real talk right there.[/LIST]

Anywho, the [URL="http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy10/index.html"]Obama budget is out today[/URL], we'll see if the creator is politically motivated. Not sure what I should look for though, maybe you can give me the right perspective.

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the best way i can explain it, is when i looked at 2004 it seemed fairly straight forward that Congress was the primary authorizing agency. The next one i looked at, Congress was not seen at all and the Iraq war picture was very large. I was thinking of how people would react since most see this when they do their taxes, its with the tax forms.

In the first picture- people would most likely pin it on Congress
In the second people would react against the iraq war (bush/republicans)

it really was a general impression to the two charts, and thats the best i can explain. if it means nothing, well not my first post like that ;)

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[quote=saden1;530049]Thoughts on Obama's speech:
[LIST=1][*]This was his best speech to date and this is coming from someone who has seen all his speeches.[*]He felt very comfortable and confidant. It was amazing to see some liveliness from the president.[*]Pelosi should have stood up and clap the whole night. No wonder she's house speaker, she knows how to be a cheerleader. Did she really need to cheer lead the whole god damn night though? I was feeling Biden's pain.[*]What was John Boner doing there? He looked like he had something stuck up his ass and the look on his face was awful.[*]I am very pleased to hear Obama is going to pursue universal health care.[*]It was kinda corny but liked the line "dropping out of high school [is] not just quitting on yourself, it's quitting on your country."[*]What about taxes for single people god damn it?!!! Is the cutoff line 250K for me?[*]Talk is cheap, show me the money and the budget...recovery.gov is garbage. I make better tracking system every time I take a piss.[/LIST]Thoughts on Jindal's response:
[LIST=1][*]It's not fair to compare him to Obama.[*]He tried way-way too hard. His Meet the Press performance was much better.[*]This is a big boy's league. There are limited roster spots -- friends and foes are trying to land a roster spot. You got to bring your A-game. When you intend to run for high office the line between friends and foes is murky.[*]The substance of his entire speech was bullsh*t much like the substance of his Meet the Press appearance. Complaining about funding for volcano detection system is unf*cking inexcusable, especially from a Louisiana official. Might as well have said why spend money shoring up the levies in NO. What I don't understand is whether they do some thinking at all.[*]I didn't think his intended audience was as wide as Obama's. Singing to the base won't cut it anymore. You're in a ditch and you're digging for like minded subscribers? I don't get it.[*]Government is bad, government is bad, government is bad. Uufffff.[*]Congratulation to the nation of India. Slumdog Millionaire was a fantastic movie.[/LIST][/quote]

Its going to be called Universal Crap. The left is offended when the goverment might listen in to a few persons calls but having their life history and total control over their heath care is not a problem. When your boss can dump your insurance because its now a goverment program and your taxes jump 10 to 20 % to pay for it you got what you wanted. T

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Pelosi seemed to be having such a great time during the speech. I am so happy that her post-menopausal self can still get sufficient orgaisms just by the spoken word of; "we will spend the piss out of some money to get out of the economic crisis that our in-the-way government has gotten us into."

Yes, this was a great speech if you like to hear how our country will cure all that ills our nation, and the world. I hear that the big O's sights are set on trying to fix the woes of the universe too.

Barack The Builder, can he fix it? Yes he can.

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Lord Obama will make the universe well again. Rainbows and bunny rabbits shall reign the earth, Unicorns will come out of hiding and it's all going to be magical.

Praises be Lord Obama, peace be upon him.

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[quote=4mrusmc;532210]Pelosi seemed to be having such a great time during the speech.[B] I am so happy that her post-menopausal self can still get sufficient orgaisms[/B] just by the spoken word of; "we will spend the piss out of some money to get out of the economic crisis that our in-the-way government has gotten us into."

Yes, this was a great speech if you like to hear how our country will cure all that ills our nation, and the world. I hear that the big O's sights are set on trying to fix the woes of the universe too.

Barack The Builder, can he fix it? Yes he can.[/quote]
why do republicans have a problem with any woman the Dem's put out front? but scream bloody murder if you ask Palin what she reads?

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[quote=firstdown;529914]This is becoming an on going theme with MSNBC but at least we know now where they stand and their bias reporting.[/quote]

It really bothers me how the hosts of MSNBC actually think the disasters over the last 8 years, you know: spending over a trillion $ attacking a country that had nothing to do w/ 9/11 (not to mention the horrific human casualties on both sides), the response to Katrina, the almost total politicization and destruction of the US justice system, a financial meltdown that stemmed directly from the executive branch belligerently refusing to reform domestic policies and to regulate the financial sector (SEC, which is part of the executive, even refusing to investigate Madoff after several insiders went directly to the commission)... that all these catastrophic mistakes are somehow the ex-president's responsibility. Those guys just don't get it...

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[quote=dmek25;532349]why do republicans have a problem with any woman the Dem's put out front? but scream bloody murder if you ask Palin what she reads?[/quote]
Brother demek25, I personally don't have a problem with a woman doing anything in this country, other than standing in a trench next to me figthing bad guys. But, that is another topic not relevant to this thread.

I just think that Pelosi is a bad choice to sit at the "big table" of Congress, and ram her whacky and radical political agenda down our throat. People like her and her ilk, just grind my gears to no end.

For her to sit and stand, sit and stand, sit and stand all during the big O's speech, with that human excrement eating grin on her face just made me want to vomit.

It's her politics brother demek25 that I have a problem with, that's all. It has nothing to do with her gender.