Is This a Make or Break Season for Jason Campbell?
 

I think it is, for several reasons.

First of all, no team is going to break the bank for the top DT in football, pay $8.5M to a 34 year-old DE who was injured last season but who has demonstrated All-Pro ability in the past, and sign two other high-priced FA’s unless they intend to make a strong playoff run in the upcoming season.

Secondly, the Skins have not given Campbell a new contract and I don’t think they will unless he proves to them this year that he is a franchise QB. They’ve already given him a new LG to work with and I believe that they’ll probably sign a RT in Free Agency to further bolster the OL, rather than risk putting the position in the hands of a rookie. So the OL should be good enough to give him adequate protection.

I don’t think that anyone in the Redskins organization will cut him any slack this season because he’s played in however many different offensive systems for however many offensive coordinators. They have got to know if he is the right player to invest in as the leader of this team before they sign him to a big deal.

Now, I don’t think he needs to be a Pro Bowl QB to keep his job and earn a nice, big payday. But he does need to make enough key plays - on his own if necessary - for the team to win. It’s really the same formula that the Steelers used to win the title this year and the Giants used to win it last year which is a very stout defense complemented by an offense that good enough to win with as long as the QB can make some plays. Big Ben made some big plays last season with pass rushers all over him. Jason will need to do that, too, this season - not all of the time but enough times to win. In short, I think that he will need to lead us to the playoffs to keep his job.

By the end of the upcoming season, I think that Jason Campbell will either be entrenched as our starting quarterback for the foreseeable future or he will be on his way out of town.

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This season is it for him.

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I don't think we can decide whether it's a make or break year, without deciding first what the hell that means.

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[quote=GTripp0012;531857]I don't think we can decide whether it's a make or break year, without deciding first what the hell that means.[/quote]

Make: "Ok Jason, your our QB. Heres your new contract. Can't believe you got snubbed for the pro bowl this year but thanks to you we got deep in the playoffs."

Break: "Would you sign for the vet min? Oh and you'll be competiting for the QB job with Colt and our new 1st round pick."

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[quote=GTripp0012;531857]I don't think we can decide whether it's a make or break year, without deciding first what the hell that means.[/quote]

Good point but I interperet this thread as JC needs to show more consistency in '09 to be considered a solid QB. If he does not show improvement in accuracy and decision making then we need to look elsewhere at QB.

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One thing I'll be interested to see is if Zorn draws up a couple of designed runs disguised in other formations. Campbell's feet were a great weapon down the stretch.

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I am going to stay medium on all threads about JC this year.

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JC will be money this season and beyond if the FO continues to upgrade the o-line. He was money to start the '08 campaign but as the line seriously broke down (Rabach and Thomas in pass protection, injuries, etc) and Portis got nicked up he had little chance to make plays.

Basically, I think it's up to the FO to make or break Jason's season. If they want him for our franchise QB solidifying the RT position w/ a stud, after the recent gift of DD back at LG, is a necessity. If the FO is still on the fence about him they'll only give him the single upgrade this year, Dock, and let him struggle w/ what is still a mostly smaller, older, slower line than any franchise QB in the league has to work with.

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[quote=vallin21;531860]Good point but I interperet this thread as JC needs to show more consistency in '09 to be considered a solid QB. If he does not show improvement in accuracy and decision making then we need to look elsewhere at QB.[/quote]

I should have made my point clear. I think he will need to lead us to the playoffs to keep his job.

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All that I know is things seem to be getting easier for him.

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You give him protection (were getting there), the WR's come around and they will be doing an extension next year.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;531886]You give him protection (were getting there), the WR's come around and they will be doing an extension next year.[/quote]
One of the 2nd years needs to step up and be a number 2 this year.

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[quote=tryfuhl;531890]One of the 2nd years needs to step up and be a number 2 this year.[/quote]

If they fix the pass protection problems and start up the running game again then I will predict the following numbers for our skilled players.

Clinton Portis - 1,300 yards Rushing
Santana Moss - 1,100 yards
Chris Cooley - 700 yards (as always) ~5 TD's
Devin Thomas - 700 yards
Malcolm Kelly 300 yards ~3 TD's
ARE - 200 yards
Fred Davis - 200 yards
Tood Yoder - 18 yards
James Thrash - 24 yards
Ladell Betts - 120 yards
Clinton Portis - 50 yards

This adds up to 3,412 passing yards for Campbell.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;531903]If they fix the pass protection problems and start up the running game again then I will predict the following numbers for our skilled players.

Clinton Portis - 1,300 yards Rushing
Santana Moss - 1,100 yards
Chris Cooley - 700 yards (as always) ~5 TD's
Devin Thomas - 700 yards
Malcolm Kelly 300 yards ~3 TD's
ARE - 200 yards
Fred Davis - 200 yards
Tood Yoder - 18 yards
James Thrash - 24 yards
Ladell Betts - 120 yards
Clinton Portis - 50 yards

This adds up to 3,412 passing yards for Campbell.[/quote]

Sorry to change the subject. Dirtbag, Why the decline in rushing yards for Portis? IYO

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[quote=Dirtbag359;531903]If they fix the pass protection problems and start up the running game again then I will predict the following numbers for our skilled players.

Clinton Portis - 1,300 yards Rushing
Santana Moss - 1,100 yards
Chris Cooley - 700 yards (as always) ~5 TD's
Devin Thomas - 700 yards
Malcolm Kelly 300 yards ~3 TD's
ARE - 200 yards
Fred Davis - 200 yards
Tood Yoder - 18 yards
James Thrash - 24 yards
Ladell Betts - 120 yards
Clinton Portis - 50 yards

This adds up to 3,412 passing yards for Campbell.[/quote]

How did you figure 18 yards for Yoder and 24 for Thrash?

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If he wants to make some money it is.

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[quote=GMScud;531911]How did you figure 18 yards for Yoder and 24 for Thrash?[/quote]

Ze guesstimator iz never wrong. It juzt zetermed that Mr. Yoder and ze punctual Mr. Zhrash would have limited involvement in ze passing game next year due to ze increased contributions from last years rookies Sleepy, Lazy, and Peg Leg.

Oh and I predicted 3,400 yards for Campbell so those guys numbers helped get me over the 3.4k mark. Still Portis got 200 recieving yards last year and in an offense that stresses check down's I might have severly underestimated yardage from the running backs. Plus I forgot that we got Big Mike catching passes.

[quote=44ever;531909]Sorry to change the subject. Dirtbag, Why the decline in rushing yards for Portis? IYO[/quote]

Through ze calculations in guesstimator 2000 we've zetermined zat. Just kidding.

A combination of more carries for Betts and the offenses increased prowess through the air.

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If he doesn't put up good numbers and lead the team like a QB should he can go the way of the Dodo for all I care. Breastfeeding days are over homie, go to start making and drinking formula.

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Definitely a make or break season. Jason will have another off season of coaching from Coach Zorn to help him; the second year recievers need to step up, and the front line should be better. Jason needs to throw the ball away over taking a sack and take off running when he can. He made some big plays with the run last year. I'm looking for the playoffs for sure!!!

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This is it for JC. If he cant get the O to avg more than 16 ppg and take the team to the playoffs he is done as a skin. As I have stated before, I do not think he will be the starter in 2010. I'd have liked to see the Skins get Kassell but that aint gonna happen so they will struggle thru another season with JC at the helm.

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I think JC will have a breakout year! However, if he don't this might be his last shot at the helm.

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JC is solid. JC is NOT manning. I'm guessing this year will be like last year, only with 50-100% more passing TDs and a bit more yardage.

hope springs eternal...

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Well this is a contract year, so hopefully that is an added incentive for him.

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Yeah, pretty much. He's got to perform to earn a new contract or an extension.

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This is more a make or break year for Blache, and to a lesser extent VC (Tweak) and Zorn. Snyder has paid big money to bring in the talent needed to win. We are an OT and SLB away from having a solid team.
The pressure will be on this year to at least make the playoffs.
There will be a fall guy if we do not make the playoffs. My first bet is Blache.
The hook may be short for Campbell if he plays poorly and we start to lose.

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[quote=Defensewins;532143]This is more a make or break year for Blache, and to a lesser extent VC (Tweak) and Zorn. Snyder has paid big money to bring in the talent needed to win. We are an OT and SLB away from having a solid team.
The pressure will be on this year to at least make the playoffs.
There will be a fall guy if we do not make the playoffs. My first bet is Blache.
The hook may be short for Campbell if he plays poorly and we start to lose.[/quote]

campbell's hook isn't short, cause the backups aren't any better than him.

we're still injury prone as a team. our depth at most places is just rotten, so some key injuries could definitely derail things (at least moreso than other teams excluding QB injuries).

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[quote=Defensewins;532143]This is more a make or break year for Blache, and to a lesser extent VC (Tweak) and Zorn. Snyder has paid big money to bring in the talent needed to win. We are an OT and SLB away from having a solid team.
The pressure will be on this year to at least make the playoffs.
There will be a fall guy if we do not make the playoffs. My first bet is Blache.
The hook may be short for Campbell if he plays poorly and we start to lose.[/quote]

I agree with you that we are an OT and a SLB away from a solid team and I think we'll get them. I also agree with you that DS will probably expect to make the playoffs, as he should.

I don't know why you think Blache would be the fall guy if we don't make the playoffs. Our Defense was ranked in the Top 10 last season and with Haynesworth and a healthy JT we should only get better.

Our problems were on Offense. I think that the coach on the hotseat if don't make the playoffs will be Jim Zorn.

As for JC, I think he has much more to worry about this season than the hook. If he doesn't lead us to the playoffs this season, I think he'll be traded or demoted. On the other hand, if he does, he'll probably get a big long-term contract with the Skins.

I do think that JC could get the hook around mid-season if it starts to look like we may be falling out of the playoff race. That's not because the backups are any better but because Zorn will need to try something to turn things around before he gets fired.

BTW, I don't expect JC to fail and I certainly hope he succeeds but, again, if he doesn't "arrive" this season as a polished NFL starting QB and a winner I don't think he will be re-signed.

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I really don't know what to think about JC. He looks great sometimes then as bad as it can get at others. What I do know is this...We need to fill the RT spot for sure. Samuels[10]-Dockery-Rabach[8]-Thomas[11]-?. That is our line and we need to draft or fill that RT spot. I love the idea of free agent Ray Willis[5] 6-6. 330 but we may not have the money. Still we have a need at that RT or OLB spot that Washington held down so we will draft for one or both of these spots in april. I like to try to fill that RT spot with a good vet then draft a stud LB with the 13 pick. But we will see what Vinny and Dan are going to do! So in the end JC needs a strong RT to keep the run going and to keep him from getting kill by the pass rush. If we can do that along with the D that should get turnovers and shorter fields JC should have a great year!

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[quote=Defensewins;532143]This is more a make or break year for Blache, and to a lesser extent VC (Tweak) and Zorn. Snyder has paid big money to bring in the talent needed to win. We are an OT and SLB away from having a solid team.
The pressure will be on this year to at least make the playoffs.
There will be a fall guy if we do not make the playoffs. My first bet is Blache.
The hook may be short for Campbell if he plays poorly and we start to lose.[/quote]
I would have to agree with you . We still may be a DE away from a truly dominant DEFENSE . If J. Taylor has a big year , and A. Montgomery plays 100 mph for 60 mins , we could give some headaches to romo-eli-and mcnabb !

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;532184]I agree with you that we are an OT and a SLB away from a solid team and I think we'll get them. I also agree with you that DS will probably expect to make the playoffs, as he should.

I don't know why you think Blache would be the fall guy if we don't make the playoffs. Our Defense was ranked in the Top 10 last season and with Haynesworth and a healthy JT we should only get better.

Our problems were on Offense. I think that the coach on the hotseat if don't make the playoffs will be Jim Zorn.

As for JC, I think he has much more to worry about this season than the hook. If he doesn't lead us to the playoffs this season, I think he'll be traded or demoted. On the other hand, if he does, he'll probably get a big long-term contract with the Skins.

I do think that JC could get the hook around mid-season if it starts to look like we may be falling out of the playoff race. That's not because the backups are any better but because Zorn will need to try something to turn things around before he gets fired.

BTW, I don't expect JC to fail and I certainly hope he succeeds but, again, if he doesn't "arrive" this season as a polished NFL starting QB and a winner I don't think he will be re-signed.[/quote]
I'm really not looking for our D to get any better but if we can get more preasure on the QB and stop teams late in the game I'd be happy if we slipped a notich or two in the ranking. Now I'd love to have a tatal shut down D but if I keep my expectations in check I won't be disapointed.

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[quote=firstdown;532194]I'm really not looking for our D to get any better but if we can get more preasure on the QB and stop teams late in the game I'd be happy if we slipped a notich or two in the ranking. Now I'd love to have a tatal shut down D but if I keep my expectations in check I won't be disapointed.[/quote]

More pressure on the QB would almost certainly mean more turnovers and more turnovers would give the Offense more opportunities to score. If we can do that and stop teams late, like you, I couldn't care less where the D was ranked.

What I'm about to write may seem like a wisecrack. It's not. Our DB's and LB's need to work very hard on tip drills and catching the ball during the off-season. Carlos Rogers, for one, could move to a new level as an elite corner if he would just improve on catching the football. He and the others should get more opportunities for interceptions than ever before if our pass rush improves as much as I think it will.

BTW, to get back to the subject of the thread, more opportunities to score due to turnovers could be a double-edged sword for JC. Scoring off of turnovers would be huge for the team and demonstrate JC's leadership. On the other hand, it is very deflating for a team to get turnovers and then fail to score off of them. Offensive series after turnovers is one area where JC will come under the microscope.

After all, one of the main reasons that the Skins are paying AH and JT big bucks is to create turnovers. If Carlos doesn't catch the ball or if JC doesn't convert turnovers into points, then the money will have been wasted. And if that money is wasted, somebody is going to pay for it with his career.

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If he plays like the first half of last season he is money and we get to the playoffs+++. If he struggles mid way thru the season like last year....Hello Colt!!! Of course part of it him falling in the second half of last season was the injuries but he has to step up. You do not see Tom Brady or Peyton Manning fall when they have injuries.

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Im going on record as saying [B][I]Jason Campbell will be a Top 5 or better QB in 09[/I][/B].
There, I said it!!!

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Well, I'm going on record saying JC will play about as good or bad, depending on how you look at it, as he did last year.
He just doesn't have it. Now with maximum protection and a strong running game, they can minimize his decision making and his propensity for mistakes but if they keep the quick pass routes (WCO) as a major component of the offense, he'll fail. He just doesn't have the quick release or reads and that's not something you can teach. You either have it or you don't and he doesn't. A QB without a quick release in a WCO will fail.
In my opinion, if he doesn't dramatically improve, and that means doing more than just managing the offense, then he should be benched and end this ridiculous experiment.

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[quote=budw38;532191]I would have to agree with you . We still may be a DE away from a truly dominant DEFENSE . If J. Taylor has a big year , and A. Montgomery plays 100 mph for 60 mins , we could give some headaches to romo-eli-and mcnabb ![/quote] I think Carter and Taylor will be just fine. What would help would be to get a stud OLB in the draft!

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[quote=MdBluefinCrab;532215]Well, I'm going on record saying JC will play about as good or bad, depending on how you look at it, as he did last year.
He just doesn't have it. Now with maximum protection and a strong running game, they can minimize his decision making and his propensity for mistakes but if they keep the quick pass routes (WCO) as a major component of the offense, he'll fail. He just doesn't have the quick release or reads and that's not something you can teach. You either have it or you don't and he doesn't. A QB without a quick release in a WCO will fail.
In my opinion, if he doesn't dramatically improve, and that means doing more than just managing the offense, then he should be benched and end this ridiculous experiment.[/quote]
That is why I love to get one more good vet to play RT to give him ever chance. It would help the run and give him that time. Then if he doen't get the job done time to move to plan B!

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Since it's the last year of his deal it sure look like a make or break season. He's gotta play better and so does the line and wr's. Also JC needs to stop playing scared. He's starting to remind of Brunell with all the check downs. Start taking more chances. Or Zorn needs to open up the offense. Perhaps it's a combination of both but we can't do anything until the line pass blocks better.

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Campbell will make big steps forward simply by being in the offense one more year. Every QB in our division has been in the same system since they became a starter. Poor Campbell has learned like 24 offenses in his college and pro career. Last year it seemed he was thinking too much...and not just reacting and playing. That comes from familiarity with the playbook. I'm a firm believer in consistency breeding success. Something the Redskins as a whole havent been known for since the 80's.

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Campbell seems to lack fire and leadership. I was frustrated in his play more than once down the stretch because he made quite a few dumb plays. I would have NO problem seeing Colt Brennan take over this offense. He has swagger and a gun and displays a certain will to win. It will all come down to training camp. If Colt makes strides forward and plays well, Campbell's hook could get shorter.

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[quote=dblanch66;532646]Campbell seems to lack fire and leadership. I was frustrated in his play more than once down the stretch because he made quite a few dumb plays. I would have NO problem seeing Colt Brennan take over this offense. He has swagger and a gun and displays a certain will to win. It will all come down to training camp. If Colt makes strides forward and plays well, Campbell's hook could get shorter.[/quote]

I don't think he lacks either, he just doesn't wear his emotions on his sleeve, which is actually one of the resons I like him. At the end of the year when he couldn't find anyone open he tucked the ball & ran quite a bit.

He brought the team back to tie it in the last game v. SF & I think that drive was indicative of his will to win. He likely got frustrated w/the lack of open recievers & decided to make something happen on his own.

As for "dumb plays" I really didn't see anything other than typical mistakes all year from him. He wasn't given a chance in several games, e.g. pittsburgh.