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This is why Cooley will go down as one of the most popular Redskins ever. The dude is just real, he gets it when obviously so many others in the NFL don't.

[url=http://chriscooley47.blogspot.com/2009/03/jt-hates-money.html]The Official Blog of Chris Cooley: JT Hates Money[/url]

[quote=Chris Cooley in his blog]$500,000 to work out between the months of March and June - just to work out. Then an upcoming salary of $9,000,000 - for one season of play. One season! You would really have to hate to be somewhere to turn down ten million dollars for the next ten months of work. I mean, I know Miami is pretty nice, but just go ahead and make that much money while you still can and then retire anywhere you want. Hell, I would go play in Russia for 10,000,000. I would pack my bags and fly out tomorrow, "Ill see ya in February."[/quote]

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Gook luck with your movie career JT, Douche!

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Cooley has a way of putting things in perspective.

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[quote=Stacks42;533635]Gook luck with your movie career JT, Douche![/quote]

That sums it up in one word...Well said my friend!

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I thought the same thing. I know JT probably isn't hard up for money but damn, that's a lot of cabbage to leave on the table.

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^Well it was actually a sentance unless your refering to "Douche." :)

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There has to be more to this story. All I know is it saves alot of money in cap space. Now the question is:how will they use it? D. Evans is the first place to start. Hopefully, they get that done and then look for more depth, O Line,LB, Punter.... the list goes on and on. Looks like we needed cap space more than everyone might think...

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[quote=Mattyk72;533638]I thought the same thing. I know JT probably isn't hard up for money but damn, that's a lot of cabbage to leave on the table.[/quote]

Well, Smoot and others realized that money isn't everything. They realize that playing somewhere you are appreciated and comfortable beats money any day of the week.

Of course to me money is not everything either...It's the only thing.

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Cooley speaks the truth. Good for him!

I'm glad that JT did not come back this season because I think that his refusal to work out with the team shows that he is emotionally done with playing football. He'll probably sign and play elsewhere next season but his heart won't be in it and, since it isn't, he probably won't play up to the level we were used to seeing from him before last season.

We're better off using that $8.5M to sign people who still have the desire to compete.

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For that kind of money I'd play in Russia too. It's good to see that the stars haven't gone to Cooley's head.

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[quote=Angry;533642]Of course to me money is not everything either...It's the only thing.[/quote]

"Money isn't everything but it's way ahead of whatever is in Second Place."

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taylor obviously didnt want to play here and we obviously didnt want him back. this worked out well for both sides... except for the draft picks we dont have of course.

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Give it time....
JT in Survivor.......Detroit
JT v Hulk Hogan....Extreme cage fighting
JT on the Red Carpet.......

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Jason Taylor and Brian Bosworth to star in Stone Cold 4?

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[quote=mcludka;533641]There has to be more to this story. All I know is it saves alot of money in cap space. Now the question is:how will they use it? D. Evans is the first place to start. Hopefully, they get that done and then look for more depth, O Line,LB, Punter.... the list goes on and on. Looks like we needed cap space more than everyone might think...[/quote]

What about possibly resigning Jason Campbell? Lets say Jason Campbell has an incredible first half of the year - wouldn't it be better for the Skins to use whatever they have left in 2009 CAP space and apply it to resigning their qb? Now if Campbell does bad I think it will probably be the end of his era here - but if he does great I would think it would be in the Skins best interest to use the leftover 2009 cap space on the qb - especially when our future cap years are going to be eaten up by letting go of the massive contracts of older players in dead cap money and release fees. Now of course maybe the Skins are betting on the salary cap going away next year - but if it doesn't I think you got to use it on Jason Campbell if he does well and is your qb of the next 5-10 years.

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The whole thing is just weird to me. On the one hand, I can see where Taylor is coming from in terms of "hey we made an agreement before I was traded, my deal stays exactly the same for two years."

And then you have these comments by Cerrato, that make you say "WTF??" He's basically saying he's expecting to be able to make JT do what Parcells couldn't.

[QUOTE]"We felt like to get the best out of him, because he didn't work out all last year, because he was doing dancing" they needed him to be at the complex, Cerrato said. "And that's what Bill had the problem with, because he wasn't in [Miami's] offseason program. We just wanted to get him in shape to make sure that he was in shape."

Cornerback Shawn Springs, released last Friday in a salary-cap move, did not participate in the workout program at the complex, preferring to train in Arizona. "People say, 'What about Shawn Springs?' But Shawn went to Arizona to work out, not at his home. He [Taylor] just wanted to stay home with his kids."[/QUOTE]

This is kinda like Larry Centers all over again. My guess is that Zorn (and/or maybe Blache) pushed for this (I think it's also in Hall's and Haynesworth's new contracts), and Cerrato was probably lukewarm about it. But I'm a bit surprised VC is surprised Taylor turned it down.

But, as I've said before, I have a hard time believing it was only about this workout clause. There had to be more to it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;533659]The whole thing is just weird to me. On the one hand, I can see where Taylor is coming from in terms of "hey we made an agreement before I was traded, my deal stays exactly the same for two years."

And then you have these comments by Cerrato, that make you say "WTF??" He's basically saying he's expecting to be able to make JT do what Parcells couldn't.



This is kinda like Larry Centers all over again. My guess is that Zorn (and/or maybe Blache) pushed for this (I think it's also in Hall's and Haynesworth's new contracts), and Cerrato was probably lukewarm about it. But I'm a bit surprised VC is surprised Taylor turned it down.

But, as I've said before, I have a hard time believing it was only about this workout clause. There had to be more to it.[/quote]

I agree. From JT's standpoint, he's most likely saying, hey look we had a deal last year, why are we trying to change the contract? What's changed since then? I'm sure these things were talked about last year. Well, who knows actually.

From the VC standpoint...what d hell? You are suprised? Why did you cost us 2 draft picks last year for a 1 year guy? Wasteful if you ask me.

VC basically sais JT is not working out. I highly doubt this is true. You can spend time at home and work out. It's almost like another smear campaign...allegedly. VC would never do something like that (cough...gregg williams...cough...spags...etc).

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I don't think this is a smear campaign (I also don't think there was one against Williams, people just thought there'd be one but this thread ain't about that).

I think this is simple ignorance (or arrogance) on Cerrato's part. Actually, I think he and Zorn/Blache had different ideas on Taylor and his future with the Redskins (one side thought he shouldn't have one, or at the very least he should work for it), Snyder overruled VC and now Vinny has to scramble to stay in lockstep with the organization's stance.

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[quote=SmootSmack;533659]The whole thing is just weird to me. On the one hand, I can see where Taylor is coming from in terms of "hey we made an agreement before I was traded, my deal stays exactly the same for two years."

And then you have these comments by Cerrato, that make you say "WTF??" He's basically saying he's expecting to be able to make JT do what Parcells couldn't.



This is kinda like Larry Centers all over again. My guess is that Zorn (and/or maybe Blache) pushed for this (I think it's also in Hall's and Haynesworth's new contracts), and Cerrato was probably lukewarm about it. But I'm a bit surprised VC is surprised Taylor turned it down.

But, as I've said before, I have a hard time believing it was only about this workout clause. There had to be more to it.[/quote]


I think its pretty clear that we didnt want Taylor in 2009 and he didnt want to be here. This arrangement allows both sides to save face - The skins get to look like they wanted Taylor here with his teammates and Taylor gets to take the high road with wanting to be with his family. The skins have a legitimate excuse to cut Taylor, and Taylor doesnt have to suffer the disgrace of being cut for his performance.

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Being the father of 3 young children I can see JT point of view, but at the same time as Cooley mentioned; 1 year for 9Mil? Time would fly by and you can take that money to the bank. Maybe JT is so loaded, that 9Mil is not shit to him or he misses his kids and banging his wife (she's hot).

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According to an article I read somewhere, Vonnie Holliday who was recently released by the Dolphins, said that JT was pretty much fed up with the Redskins. JT felt he was used out of position, and after 2 surgeries and not really clicking with Blache and then having the ammendment added to his contract, did'nt want to come back. Said he was'nt happy here.

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JT is a total dumbass. He wasn't worried about spending time w/ his kids when he was on TV last off season. The FO saw that he showed up out of shape, he didn't play well even when he wasn't hurt so now they want to keep an eye on him. So what? They have a right to do that when they're paying you 8.5 mil. Where else is he going to make that kind of $? No other team is going to pay him that kind of money. They wanted him here for 25 workouts from March to June? WTF?? That's not a big deal and not too much to ask. I give the FO credit for this. Bottom line is he doesn't want to be here, good bye and good riddance.

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[quote=skinsfan69;533669]JT is a total dumbass. He wasn't worried about spending time w/ his kids when he was on TV last off season. The FO saw that he showed up out of shape, he didn't play well even when he wasn't hurt so now they want to keep an eye on him. So what? They have a right to do that when they're paying you 8.5 mil. Where else is he going to make that kind of $? No other team is going to pay him that kind of money. They wanted him here for 25 workouts from March to June? WTF?? That's not a big deal and not too much to ask. I give the FO credit for this. Bottom line is he doesn't want to be here, good bye and good riddance.[/quote]

Sure they do have the right. I would have preferred them to realize this before we gave up 2 draft picks. One an ultra valuable 2nd rounder.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;533666]Being the father of 3 young children I can see JT point of view, but at the same time as Cooley mentioned; 1 year for 9Mil? Time would fly by and you can take that money to the bank. Maybe JT is so loaded, that 9Mil is not shit to him or he misses his kids and banging his wife (she's hot).[/quote]

And the reason you can't take a few hundred grand and of your 9M and bring the family here? (Yes. It's inconvenient and disruptive to their young lives - for 9M, they need to get over it. Somehow they will manage.)

Seriously, military families get moved around and separated from their spouses/children and they do it for a whole hell of a lot less. If he really wanted to (and that's the crux of it), he could make it happen.

He must already be richer than God. What was the upfront money on his last deal?

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I like how in the last paragraph Cooley says, "and again, I will not judge his decision..." Ummm, Chris, you just spent 3 paragraphs ripping him a new one for his decision. It's still funny though.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;533675]And the reason you can't take a few hundred grand and of your 9M and bring the family here? (Yes. It's inconvenient and disruptive to their young lives - for 9M, they need to get over it. Somehow they will manage.)

Seriously, military families get moved around and separated from their spouses/children and they do it for a whole hell of a lot less. If he really wanted to (and that's the crux of it), he could make it happen.

[B]He must already be richer than God. What was the upfront money on his last deal?[/B] [/quote]

Here's what I don't get- we all knew he would not restructure or take a pay cut because he and his agent felt like he was worth the money, and the Redskins knew the terms of his existing contract when they traded for him. So clearly in this instance money seems to be a big factor for him. Ok, fine.

So then he refuses this whole workout thingy, which ends up being a decision that voids his contract and leaves him looking for work. Plus he just sent a message to the rest of the league that he won't be participating in any offseason workouts. Is any team going to give a 34 year old malcontent coming off an injury plauged season $8.5M in 2009 AND allow him to skip workouts with his new teammates? I'd say the answer is a pretty obvious "no."

So what's the deal? Does he care about the $$ or not?

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The Redskins had an investment in a player who didn't workout last offseason and happened to get seriously injured. They wanted to protect their investment by assuring that they could do all they could to in order to get Taylor in shape for the season. Taylor said no, VC said buh bye.

And while I'm not surprised that Taylor was unhappy, I think he blew a perfectly good opportunity to make some cash and play on a stellar line that would help inflate his stats. But such is life.

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Well clearly you have to be a damn fool to give up that kind of coin for ONE season! He must of been one unhappy SOB! That family crap is a crock of shit!

You weren't worth what we paid and gave up for you to begin with, bad move on the Redskins behalf! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out taylor!

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I was pretty upset about this when it happened but I am starting to think it was the right move to let him go.

I don't think he is motivated (walking away from 8.5 million is pretty strong evidence) enough to keep around. This team does not need anyone who is not 1000% committed to spilling their guts for the team next year (another reason why I think letting Springs go was smart).

That still doesn't change my view that looking at the Taylor transaction in it's entirety was completely idiotic.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;533693][B]The Redskins had an investment in a player who didn't workout last offseason and happened to get seriously injured. [/B] They wanted to protect their investment by assuring that they could do all they could to in order to get Taylor in shape for the season. Taylor said no, VC said buh bye.

And while I'm not surprised that Taylor was unhappy, I think he blew a perfectly good opportunity to make some cash and play on a stellar line that would help inflate his stats. But such is life.[/quote]

I definitely agree with this, and this whole post. The Redskins needed to be proactive about making sure that JT didn't get hurt again and have a season just like last year. If JT didn't want to be away from his family in Miami, he should've stayed there and work things out with Parcells. By the way, regular people that have to be away from their families (i.e. people in the military) don't have the luxury of quitting their jobs.

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Whatever his reasons where I say good riddance. I don't want any player who isn't with the program on the rosters.

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I think JC is beyond needing the $. I think he lost the fire to play and the workout schedule thing was a convenient excuse to get out. In a way I applaud his decision. He could have stuck around, gone thru the motions and collected a paycheck but deep down he knows he doesnt have the desire anymore so he took the first out he could get. I dont know why any Skins fan would be upset with him.

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[quote=irish;533713]I think JC is beyond needing the $. I think he lost the fire to play and the workout schedule thing was a convenient excuse to get out. In a way I applaud his decision. He could have stuck around, gone thru the motions and collected a paycheck but deep down he knows he doesnt have the desire anymore so he took the first out he could get. I dont know why any Skins fan would be upset with him.[/quote]

I agree, his agent said something similar, that they'd could've accepted the terms & then JT could've skipped a lot of the workouts, but he didn't want to do that. I appreciate that he didn't come back for the $, he might've been doing us a favor.

Can't blame him for being traded here either, but you can blame the Skins for giving up a 2nd round pick. Just take a cursory glance at trades of the past 5 years. How often have good players gone for 3rd round picks or less? A lot, especially when you factor in his huge salary. Nobody else was going to give Miami that much, not to mention we threw in a 6th rounder!

I liked the trade at the time but not the price we paid.

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[quote=irish;533713]I think JC is beyond needing the $. I think he lost the fire to play and the workout schedule thing was a convenient excuse to get out. In a way I applaud his decision. He could have stuck around, gone thru the motions and collected a paycheck but deep down he knows he doesnt have the desire anymore so he took the first out he could get. I dont know why any Skins fan would be upset with him.[/quote]

Good point. Deep down he just doesn't want to play anymore. I'm not mad at him, I'm just mad about the draft picks. But what's done is done and it's soooooo time to move on from this subject. Hopefully Vinny and co. will learn from this horrible trade.

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[quote=SmootSmack;533662]I don't think this is a smear campaign (I also don't think there was one against Williams, people just thought there'd be one but this thread ain't about that).

I think this is simple ignorance (or arrogance) on Cerrato's part. Actually, I think he and Zorn/Blache had different ideas on Taylor and his future with the Redskins (one side thought he shouldn't have one, or at the very least he should work for it), Snyder overruled VC and now Vinny has to scramble to stay in lockstep with the organization's stance.[/quote]

That's what I was thinking.
[B]Maybe[/B] this was the F.O.'s way of getting rid of JT and saving face in what they lost (draft picks) to get JT and the huge salary they paid him. I agree Snyder changed his mind about keeping JT and VC had to scramble.
Who cares though, he is finally gone. He should have been cut a long time ago.

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It seems like maybe the skin's wanted to make sure he was around to make sure he was healed up and had his strength back to 100% after last year. 8.5 mil is a lot of coin to risk a player not being back to 100% after an injury.

Also, and maybe more importantly, I believe Blanch is being pressured to change the scheme around Haynesworth (and to a lesser extent Hall) to add more pressure on the opposing QB's. Blanch didn't like Taylor's freelancing and he couldn't have both him and Haynesworth doing it, so he choose Haynesworth to be "that guy". In that case he needed Taylor around to learn the new LB/DE position nuances during the offseason workouts. Taylor wouldn't, therefore his effectiveness in the system was to much of a risk for his salary.

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[quote=skinsfan69;533739]Good point. Deep down he just doesn't want to play anymore. I'm not mad at him, I'm just mad about the draft picks. But what's done is done and it's soooooo time to move on from this subject. Hopefully Vinny and co. will learn from this horrible trade.[/quote]

Vinny & Co. never learn their lesson just look at this offseason. The Skins are back to their free spending ways for players I am afraid at the end of the day wont make much of a difference. I'd have rather had them get 4 $20 mil lineman instead of 1 for $100mil. As long as DS & Vinny are in charge this team will continue to rule the off season and be also-rans once the season starts.

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Jason Taylor is full of himself , and SH$T with all the people struggling just to put food on the table he turns down that much money for 10 months. I would NEVER watch a movie with him in it. what an A hole he owed us that much after paying him 8 mill for 3.5 sacks last year (even though she was hurt)..

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[quote=Eknox;533776]Jason Taylor is full of himself , and SH$T with all the people struggling just to put food on the table he turns down that much money for 10 months. I would NEVER watch a movie with him in it. what an A hole he owed us that much after paying him 8 mill for 3.5 sacks last year (even though she was hurt)..[/quote]

He may have done us a huge favor by leaving. Especially if we use the cash wisely.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;533779]He may have done us a huge favor by leaving. [B]Especially if we use the cash wisely.[/B][/quote]
Unfortunately that isn't a guarantee...it's a huge IF...