Orlando Pace has been cut (updated: Skins not interested)
 

Could we afford him and would he fit.

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He's older than Jansen. But he still would be an upgrade.

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You asked for it GMScud. I think he's too old.

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Not if he is expensive. If he can be gotten cheap, he'd make a good stopgap upgrade at RT.

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I'd take him if

- he's healthy enough to start. no nagging injuries at all
- he's cheap. as in damn cheap and will sign a 1 year deal
- he's willing to play RT

i am not sure he is any of those.

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If he is healthy and a dirt cheap price then go for it. Lets just not over pay for another veteran on the downside of his career.

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If the price is right I would be all for it. Pace would be way better the Jansen for the short term.

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I think its been talked about in the 2009 FA thread as thats what it happens to be for. Did a new thread really need to be started?

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/27648-2009-free-agents.html[/url]

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id say yes. 1 year deal, draft a linebacker or de in first round, not o-line

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The Rams might cut Holt too. Go get Holt and Pace and call us the Ramskins!

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;535770]I think its been talked about in the 2009 FA thread as thats what it happens to be for. Did a new thread really need to be started?

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/27648-2009-free-agents.html[/url][/quote]

Dude, I've tried that already, there's no way to win. People just don't read, and start their own thread and you have the same subject being discussed in three different threads.

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To answer the title of this thread "Orlando Pace has been cut what do you think"...

I think that means he's out of work. Seriously, I would pass. The Redskins have enough players on the wrong side of 30. We need a youth movement here in the worst way...draft an OT in the first round (or trade down and get more picks).

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No... OT talent is deep in this year's draft, with 6 or maybe 7 taken in the first round. There will be more "cuts" like Pace but w/ few questions/concerns. Levi Jones is a guy to keep our eyes on depending on what Cinci does w/ their 1st round pick.

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Oh my it's the THREAD POLICE, I apologize please forgive. I don't feel like reading through 60 pages.

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If we sign him and decide not to draft an OT high, then an emphatic NO. We cannot keep putting off getting young O-line replacements (for Jansen next year etc...).

We have to start addressing the o-line now starting with RT this year, which means we could phase out Jansen next year with replacement already acclimated to the system etc... Getting Pace means we go LB/DE @ 13, pushing back the replacement timetable for our o-line which could literally fall apart in 2010 if left unaddressed.

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[quote=Hamoskinz;535786]If we sign him and decide not to draft an OT high, then an emphatic NO. We cannot keep putting off getting young O-line replacements (for Jansen next year etc...).

We have to start addressing the o-line now starting with RT this year, which means we could phase out Jansen next year with replacement already acclimated to the system etc... Getting Pace means we go LB/DE @ 13, pushing back the replacement timetable for our o-line which could literally fall apart in 2010 if left unaddressed.[/quote]

is it any better to sign a 36 year old daniels coming off a major injury and continue to get older at the DE's? i say signing pace to start is better than signing daniels to start, imo. DE or OLB in the draft first round

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How shitty are we that we have to resort to picking up rejects from the Rams? What is wrong with you people?

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;535784]Oh my it's the THREAD POLICE, I apologize please forgive. I don't feel like reading through 60 pages.[/quote]

Um no, all you had to do is read one page in the 2009 Free Agent thread to see Orlando Pace being discussed. Not to mention the fact that right now we don't know whether Pace would be interested or be someone our team could afford (or should bother to sign).

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The FO is not signing Pace no matter what for the time being... maybe after the draft as things shake out but I highly, highly doubt it.

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[quote=GMScud;535700]Oh boy. Here comes the Orlando Pace thread....[/quote]

[quote=44ever;535759]You asked for it GMScud. I think he's too old.[/quote]

I knew it was coming!! I'm surprised it didn't happen earlier.

Anyway, I'll pass. He's old and both of his knees are bad. I'd rather get younger than bring in yet another injury prone lineman on the wrong side of 30 (I feel like I say at least once a week around here). Like I said in the FA thread, he can probably prolong his career if he switches to RT, and that's just what we'd use him for, but IMO we don't need an aging, oft injured stop gap.

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[quote=Big C;535791]is it any better to sign a 36 year old daniels coming off a major injury and continue to get older at the DE's? i say signing pace to start is better than signing daniels to start, imo. DE or OLB in the draft first round[/quote]

Much better IMO. We have Chris Wilson and Alex Buzbee to rotate in at DE. Daniels is a stout against run and Wilson in a speed rusher which could benefit alot from having Haynesworth in the middle and also AH likes to play DE as well. There are plenty of DEs in the later round of the draft who we could bring in and rotate with Wilson and Daniels but the OTs, apart from the big 4, Britton, Beatty or Meredith (all in 1st - early 2nd) the rest of don't standout.

Our D is set IMO, just the icing left (OLB and DE) but its the o-line where I am worried considering how we played last year. Keeping JC upright is one of the main concerns and breaking a young OT into the lineup should be a priority.

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[quote=Hamoskinz;535813]Much better IMO. We have Chris Wilson and Alex Buzbee to rotate in at DE. Daniels is a stout against run and Wilson in a speed rusher which could benefit alot from having Haynesworth in the middle and also AH likes to play DE as well. There are plenty of DEs in the later round of the draft who we could bring in and rotate with Wilson and Daniels but the OTs, apart from the big 4, Britton, Beatty or Meredith (all in 1st - early 2nd) the rest of don't standout.

Our D is set IMO, just the icing left (OLB and DE) but its the o-line where I am worried considering how we played last year. Keeping JC upright is one of the main concerns and breaking a young OT into the lineup should be a priority.[/quote]

IMO unless we're able to move the 13th pick for multiple 1st day selections, we're not really going to be able to address immediate needs at both OL and LB in the draft. If we stay put at 13 we'll either get a stud defender or O-lineman, but after that.... ??? Not saying there won't be some quality later on in the draft, but to count on an immediate impact player after the 13th selection wouldn't be smart.

Now, if we could somehow get Maualuga at 13 and Loadholt in the third round (77th), that would make me happy.

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So, like, he's only 33. I did look it up.

I think that changes his forecast a little bit. It makes his more recent injury troubles look like a type of decline as opposed to the literal end of his career.

At 33, I'm guessing he can still start in this league. Yes, he's going to inevitably miss time, but not necessarily more time than he's missed in past seasons.

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[quote=GTripp0012;535842]So, like, he's only 33. I did look it up.

I think that changes his forecast a little bit. It makes his more recent injury troubles look like a type of decline as opposed to the literal end of his career.

At 33, I'm guessing he can still start in this league. Yes, he's going to inevitably miss time, but not necessarily more time than he's missed in past seasons.[/quote]

Only if it is a cheap one year deal, and given that no one would give up any picks for him I am going to assume he should be cheap.

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[quote=saden1;535796]How shitty are we that we have to resort to picking up rejects from the Rams? What is wrong with you people?[/quote]

Well some teams have picked up our rejects. Taylor, Springs, Evans ...any of those names ring a bell. The only one we cut cause of age or injury was Springs. The others were either money or end of contract.

I don't know all the specifics about Pace but could it not be age and money also? Heyer can't run block well, Jansen can't pass block well anymore. If Pace can do both the sign him for a one yr deal at low cost and pick someone up at RT in the second round if we can move back or third.

Funny since they are trying to bring Daniels and Wynn back and now Fincher I get the feeling they are confortable with the team and will pick BAP in the draft ....perhaps I'm wrong cause I would like to see them move back if possible to get more picks.

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I also would prefer they let Thrash go and sign Holt if he's let go. Atleast until Kelly and Thomas can prove they can get it done.

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[quote=SBXVII;535846]Well some teams have picked up our rejects. Taylor, Springs, Evans ...any of those names ring a bell. The only one we cut cause of age or injury was Springs. The others were either money or end of contract.

I don't know all the specifics about Pace but could it not be age and money also? Heyer can't run block well, Jansen can't pass block well anymore. If Pace can do both the sign him for a one yr deal at low cost and pick someone up at RT in the second round if we can move back or third.

Funny since they are trying to bring Daniels and Wynn back and now Fincher I get the feeling they are confortable with the team and will pick BAP in the draft ....perhaps I'm wrong cause I would like to see them move back if possible to get more picks.[/quote]

Good points, that whole "why are we picking other team's rejects line" is so old.

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a link is always nice

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3968328]St. Louis Rams release offensive tackle Orlando Pace - ESPN[/url]

If the guy is healthy he's worth a shot, but that seems to be a big if for him lately.

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OL is a position of need for us, and Pace is one of the best OT ever so I think it's ok to make this its own thread. This isn't Deuce McAlister we're talking about.

I'd probably pass. I do know that the Rams did try to trade him to the Skins last month and the Skins said no. But it wouldn't surprise me if they were just waiting for him to be released.

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There is a reason that he was released. In the eyes of his former employers he was not worth the money that he was collecting.

The guy may still be good, but he is certainly not great. We have needs on the offensive line, but I would not address it this way. Let someone else sign him.

I want to draft some fresh meat early for the OL. Signing Pace would just prolong Rookie development.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;535754]Could we afford him and would he fit.[/quote]

we couldn't... he might fit in the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History

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geez, just what we need. another broken down, 30 something year old lineman

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YES!!! I'd sign Pace to a 1-2 yr deal and slide him to RT. He won't have to face top pass rushers and he can be on a contender. He would fill a need and give us solid production. SIGN PACE!!!

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[quote=vallin21;535888]YES!!! I'd sign Pace to a 1-2 yr deal and slide him to RT. He won't have to face top pass rushers and he can be on a contender. He would fill a need and give us solid production. SIGN PACE!!![/quote]

Pace has always seemed to be one of those players with a pedigree..because somebody annointed him "great" he never goes to training camp..he has played 11 games since 2005 w/ no starts since '06

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[quote=terpsez11;535895]Pace has always seemed to be one of those players with a pedigree..because somebody annointed him "great" he never goes to training camp..[B]he has played 11 games since 2005 w/ no starts since '06[/B][/quote]

??? He started 14 games last year. He did miss all of '06 and half of '07 though.

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[quote=GMScud;535897]??? He started 14 games last year. He did miss all of '06 and half of '07 though.[/quote]

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PaceOr00.htm]Orlando Pace Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

was wrong

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090310/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_rams_pace_released]Rams release 7-time Pro Bowl OT Orlando Pace[/url]

spells it out as you said... the Rams were so bad last season and then we lost to them..I don't remember watching them at all

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Pace is getting cut by a team that has had one of the worst O-lines In the NFL the last few years. This is not even worth talking about.

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[quote=skinsfan69;535901]Pace is getting cut by a team that has had one of the worst O-lines In the NFL the last few years. This is not even worth talking about.[/quote]

Good call. Hopefully that ends this conversation.

HAIL!

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no way. waste of money and we already have someone of Orlando's caliber under contract............John Jansen. Why get two old back up tackles when we only need one? These old guys that come on board have been tormenting me and my team for over a decade now. Lets stop bringing on old guys. They don't got it no more. They're old. They're lazy. They don't work out as hard. They're old. Rookies like to "measure up" to them because of their name. They're old. Rookies own them most of the time. Did I mention that they're old?

Let him go to Dallas so our rookies can own him! Or Philly. Or better yet, New York! I freakin hate those guys!

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[quote=terpsez11;535899][URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PaceOr00.htm"]Orlando Pace Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/URL]

was wrong

[URL="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090310/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_rams_pace_released"]Rams release 7-time Pro Bowl OT Orlando Pace[/URL]

spells it out as you said... the Rams were so bad last season and then we lost to them..I don't remember watching them at all[/quote]

Usually pro-football reference is right on the money.