Grading the 2006 Draft
 

With the draft around the corner, and no major news likely soon, I thought we could discuss the few draft classes that, following the 2-3 yr development rule, that we ought to be able to grade out now.
Here is our [URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/draft_query.cgi?pos=ALL&round_1=1&round_2=30&tm=was&year_1=2006&year_2=2006&conference=any&type="]draft from the 2006 class[/URL] .

# Year Rd Overall Player Pos
1 2006 2 35 Rocky McIntosh LB
2 2006 5 153 Anthony Montgomery NT
3 2006 6 173 Reed Doughty DB
4 2006 6 196 Kedric Golston DT
5 2006 7 230 Kili Lefotu G
6 2006 7 250 Kevin Simon LB

I think I would give it a B+, or A-, given that we had only 1 first day pick, it looks like we got 3 solid players, McIntosh, Montgomery, and Golston, and 1 mid grade in Reed Doughty. I remember Lefotu, but nothing about Simon. What does every one else think?

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Better than expected, given the picks we didn't have that year (thanks, BLloyd). Still, we didn't fill a bunch of needs that we currently have now, and it cost us a 2nd round pick in 07 to get McIntosh, who absolutely hasn't been ready to this point.

I give it a solid C.

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I give it a c-. Giving up the extra pick for Rocky was just stupid. But Monty and Goldston have been very solid.

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[quote=skinsfan69;537086]I give it a c-. [B]Giving up the extra pick for Rocky [/B]was just stupid. But Monty and Goldston have been very solid.[/quote]

Even though I wasn't really looking at the FO moves, certainly it fits under the topic. So the FO gets a C- for costing us a 2007 pick, but the I think getting 4 productive players out of what picks we had gives them plus points.

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2004
1. Sean Taylor, S, Miami - 5th overall
3. Chris Cooley, TE, Utah State - 81st overall
5. Mark Wilson, OT, California - 151st overall
6. Jim Molinaro, OT, Notre Dame - 180th overall

If you give 2006 an A-, what would you give this?

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I give it a C, because rocky has been a starter, and gholston &/or Montgomery switch off starting, Simon and lefotu r obviously not with us so that's to wasted picks (not exactly sure who would have been availible to us around that time whose good now), doughty is special teams only, and it really sounds like the skins didnt want him back, even though they resigned him, expect him to be cut, rocky has also had some injuries and considering we could of traded him for Briggs, I still would of done that, even with us keeping him we still should have gotten Briggs...so yeah this is all y I give the draft a C.

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I give it an A+. To get three potential starters out of any draft is incredible. To get them out of the fifth and six round is amazing. Look at Pittsburgs drafts and they average two players kept starting per draft over five years.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;537082]With the draft around the corner, and no major news likely soon, I thought we could discuss the few draft classes that, following the 2-3 yr development rule, that we ought to be able to grade out now.
Here is our [URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/draft_query.cgi?pos=ALL&round_1=1&round_2=30&tm=was&year_1=2006&year_2=2006&conference=any&type="]draft from the 2006 class[/URL] .

# Year Rd Overall Player Pos
1 2006 2 35 Rocky McIntosh LB
2 2006 5 153 Anthony Montgomery NT
3 2006 6 173 Reed Doughty DB
4 2006 6 196 Kedric Golston DT
5 2006 7 230 Kili Lefotu G
6 2006 7 250 Kevin Simon LB

I think I would give it a B+, or A-, given that we had only 1 first day pick, it looks like we got 3 solid players, McIntosh, Montgomery, and Golston, and 1 mid grade in Reed Doughty. I remember Lefotu, but nothing about Simon. What does every one else think?[/quote]

If that draft was so great why did we need to sign a major free agent in Haynesworth to provide support in the middle?

This draft was subpar just based on the lack of top round picks. I don't think that Monty and Golston could make the roster of some of leagues top defenses.

Scouts knew that Rocky had that bad degenerative condition in his knees. We still picked him any way. His career should be taking off right now but he's being held back by nagging injuries.

Not that great of a draft. The only draft I'll like is one where we have all of our own picks.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;537097]If that draft was so great why did we need to sign a major free agent in Haynesworth to provide support in the middle?

This draft was subpar just based on the lack of top round picks. I don't think that Monty and Golston could make the roster of some of leagues top defenses.

Scouts knew that Rocky had that bad degenerative condition in his knees. We still picked him any way. His career should be taking off right now but he's being held back by nagging injuries.

Not that great of a draft. The only draft I'll like is one where we have all of our own picks.[/quote]
We are one of the leagues top defenses. We have a maniac owner that will do anything to win. We went after the best DT in football, he would start on any team in the league. If I am wrong, name the team.

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Here are the drafts from the rest of the division for 2006

[quote=Profootball Reference]DALLAS 2006
1 2006 1 18 Bobby Carpenter LB DAL
2 2006 2 53 Anthony Fasano TE DAL
3 2006 3 92 Jason Hatcher DE DAL
4 2006 4 125 Skyler Green WR DAL
5 2006 5 138 Pat Watkins DB DAL
6 2006 6 182 Montavious Stanley DT DAL
7 2006 7 211 Pat McQuistan T DAL
8 2006 7 224 E.J. Whitley C DAL

NEW YORK GIANTS 2006

1 2006 1 32 Mathias Kiwanuka DE
2 2006 2 44 Sinorice Moss WR
3 2006 3 96 Gerris Wilkinson LB
4 2006 4 124 Barry Cofield DT
5 2006 4 129 Guy Whimper DE
6 2006 5 158 Charlie Peprah DB
7 2006 7 232 Gerrick McPhearson DB

PHILADELPHIA 2006

1 2006 1 14 Brodrick Bunkley DT
2 2006 2 39 Winston Justice T PHI
3 2006 3 71 Chris Gocong DE PHI
4 2006 4 99 Max Jean-Gilles G PHI
5 2006 4 109 Jason Avant WR PHI
6 2006 5 147 Jeremy Bloom DB PHI
7 2006 5 168 Omar Gaither LB PHI
8 2006 6 204 LaJuan Ramsey DT PHI
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edit: I put this up to show that having all your picks isn't the only criteria of being a great draft, the goal is to have players who make your team and are used for gameday.

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[quote=WaldSkins;537089]2004
1. Sean Taylor, S, Miami - 5th overall
3. Chris Cooley, TE, Utah State - 81st overall
5. Mark Wilson, OT, California - 151st overall
6. Jim Molinaro, OT, Notre Dame - 180th overall

If you give 2006 an A-, what would you give this?[/quote]

Well, lets see, using the apparent criteria of having all our draft picks (not whether they are playing or not) obviously this was lousy as we only have four picks. Must be an E.
Now if you look at quality of the pick relative to where they were picked, and the growth they have(had) shown, I would say solid A to A+.

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How do you factor Jason Campbell into the 2006 draft? He cost us the 1st rounder that year (plus a 4th that the Broncos used to get Brandon Marshall) so do you factor him in to 2006?

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;537104]How do you factor Jason Campbell into the 2006 draft? He cost us the 1st rounder that year (plus a 4th that the Broncos used to get Brandon Marshall) so do you factor him in to 2006?[/quote]

I personally was only talking about how the players we selected have progressed for having 2 seasons under their belt. I would put him in to the 2005 class because that is when he was drafted.

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[B]Taking into consideration what picks we had[/B], I'd give it a B, and if Monty steps up and plays like he's capable of, I'd change that to an A.

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What a terrible waste of a draft for the whole division.

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[quote=WaldSkins;537089]2004
1. Sean Taylor, S, Miami - 5th overall
3. Chris Cooley, TE, Utah State - 81st overall
5. Mark Wilson, OT, California - 151st overall
6. Jim Molinaro, OT, Notre Dame - 180th overall

If you give 2006 an A-, what would you give this?[/quote]

I give zat an "F". 50% to be exact az only 50% of ze players went to ze pro bowl.

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[quote=GTripp0012;537108]What a terrible waste of a draft for the whole division.[/quote]

Seriously. Especially for the Cowboys. I mean, Fasano turned into a very good player... on another team. Barbie Carpenter and the rest of that draft class were piss poor.

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[quote=GTripp0012;537108]What a terrible waste of a draft for the whole division.[/quote]

:laughing- All in all, it was kind of pathetic.

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The division was 2/7 in first two round picks, three if you count Fasano, but I can't because the Cowboys never seriously tried to use him. If you add third round picks, that's 3, maybe four out of ten.

Just pick out of a hat next time. You'll hit like 50%.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;537087]Even though I wasn't really looking at the FO moves, certainly it fits under the topic. So the FO gets a C- for costing us a 2007 pick, but the I think getting 4 productive players out of what picks we had gives them plus points.[/quote]

Well I only give them 3. A player like Reed D. can be found via free agency. Plus that pick could've well been a starter on the o or d line and that is why our depth sucks cause we keep doing these 2 for 1 deals over the years.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;537104]How do you factor Jason Campbell into the 2006 draft? He cost us the 1st rounder that year (plus a 4th that the Broncos used to get Brandon Marshall) so do you factor him in to 2006?[/quote]

We always do these 2 for 1 deals and it doesn't work. Yes we have Cooley, JC, Portis and Rocky but we gave up 4-5 potential starters to get those players. We have an average QB that we gave up and extra number one pick for. Sorry but you don't do that unless it's Peyton Manning. So far we're losing out big time on the JC deal. I like the guy but so far he's not worth the price we paid to get him.

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[quote=skinsfan69;537128]We always do these 2 for 1 deals and it doesn't work. Yes we have Cooley, JC, Portis and Rocky but we gave up 4-5 potential starters to get those players. We have an average QB that we gave up and extra number one pick for. Sorry but you don't do that unless it's Peyton Manning. So far we're losing out big time on the JC deal. I like the guy but so far he's not worth the price we paid to get him.[/quote]

I agree about the 2 for 1 deals. Mainly cuz I think the league knows that if the Skins want something they are going to pay the price for it. That's one reason that I am hoping this "restraint" in picking up some of these additional FA's (pick any of the one's that the board has been yelling for). Maybe rationality will take hold.

As for picking up an o-line, or saying Doughty could have been any FA, I go back to the fact that he was supposed to back up ST, and he did that admirably. In fact if ST was still here, I think Doughty would be on the team and Horton probably would not have been taken. Finally Doughty held down a solid special teams position. Thats a good deal for a 6th round selection.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;537098]We are one of the leagues top defenses. We have a maniac owner that will do anything to win. We went after the best DT in football, he would start on any team in the league. If I am wrong, name the team.[/quote]

Yeah Haynesworth can start on any team.

I was saying that Montgomery and Golston probably wouldn't be able to crack the roster on some of the NFL's top defenses.

I am aware that we had a top ten defense but that didn't translate to wins like it did for the other nine teams.

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[quote=skinsfan69;537086]I give it a c-. Giving up the extra pick for Rocky was just stupid. But Monty and Goldston have been very solid.[/quote]Agreed. I wonder whether we were really targeting Maryland's LB D'Qwell Jackson, who was selected one pick before we took McIntosh.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;537101]Well, lets see, using the apparent criteria of having all our draft picks (not whether they are playing or not) obviously this was lousy as we only have four picks. Must be an E.
Now if you look at quality of the pick relative to where they were picked, and the growth they have(had) shown, I would say solid A to A+.[/quote]
Two pro bowlers out of four picks is another a+. I have always said that Vinny does a great job drafting, we just need to keep our picks for him.

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taylor/cooley is an A++++++++++++.

2006 we moved up to take a LB (cause teams had a run on them) with a bad knee that has spent a lot of time not playing. we got a decent teamer and 2 DTs for depth (they're great as a #3 and #4). second day would get an A for getting late picks that actually play on gameday (for cheap), but day one is a D unless rocky really shows up healthy sometime soon.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;537136]Yeah Haynesworth can start on any team.

I was saying that Montgomery and Golston probably wouldn't be able to crack the roster on some of the NFL's top defenses.

I am aware that we had a top ten defense but that didn't translate to wins like it did for the other nine teams.[/quote]I can't think of any other team in the league where neither Monty or Golston could at least win a starting job out of camp. Minnesota, probably, but even they could definately use the youth.

Jacksonville 2003-2007 could have probably done without them, but there's no 4-3 defense in the league today that has two guys who you could say would definately start over Monty and Golston. They might not even make the Giants roster, but realistically, either could win a starting job in camp.

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Why should we consider draft position when we rate the players? We have to field the best team possible regardless of draft position. We gave away our draft picks so we have to live with the lack of quality we drafted.

I give the Draft a D+
We did not add what you need to add every year to build/maintain a solid team.

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[quote=jamf;537169]Why should we consider draft position when we rate the players? We have to field the best team possible regardless of draft position. We gave away our draft picks so we have to live with the lack of quality we drafted.

[B]I give the Draft a D+
We did not add what you need to add every year to build/maintain a solid team.[/B][/quote]

Ok, but using your logic that draft position doesn't count, only production I don't understand how you arrive at a D+. Out of 6 players, we added 4 who have seen considerable playing time. That is a solid hit to miss ratio. And we added 2 DL players, 1 LB that all contributed in a way that gave us a top 5 D last year. And Doughty would probably have seen significant ST playing time, barring his injury.

So my questions are:

What type of production would it take to get an average grade from you?

Do you say 6 pro-bowlers out of 6 picks is an A+?

Or that an average draft should have 3 pro-bowlers out of 6 picks?

my answers, taking draft position out of the mix, are:

-an [U]average[/U] draft class of 6 picks, after 2years in the league, should result in 1 starter, and 2-3 backups, with significant ST play.

- i say that 6 out of 6 probowlers (not fan vote but real ProBowl quality), is unrealistic and would indicate that the GM was using jedi mind control tactics

- i think if after two years you have 1 probowler(real not fan) then your draft could be no less than an A. hence the 2004 class with 2 clear PB players, has to be considered one of our top drafts of the last several years, even considering we only had 4 total picks.

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Philly's draft wasn't bad that year, we'll see if W. Justice starts this year & Bunkley has become ok. But the thing that stands out about that draft to me is O.Gaither, they got him in the 5th & he's turned out to be a solid MLB.

I look at the draft like a batting avg. w/runs scored or FG pct. w/scoring in hoops. Your chances of scoring increase the more at bats or shots you take. Obvious I know, yet we've continually given up picks & reduced our chances. Vinny's got a rate of success, just needs more shots.

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LOL at some people on this board sometimes. This is like an Extremeskins thread. Some folks will find any and every way to complain about something! Grading the draft, by the players we have and their contributions, I'd probably give it a B. We got 4 players who've started a significant number of games (Rocky, Monty, Golston, Doughty) and while none have been pro bowlers, all have contributed and are part of a regular rotation.

By the other standards people have used (picks traded or who we got for picks or anything else) I guess it would have to be a Z-.

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[quote=Paintrain;537182]LOL at some people on this board sometimes. This is like an Extremeskins thread. Some folks will find any and every way to complain about something! Grading the draft, by the players we have and their contributions, I'd probably give it a B. We got 4 players who've started a significant number of games (Rocky, Monty, Golston, Doughty) and while none have been pro bowlers, all have contributed and are part of a regular rotation.

By the other standards people have used (picks traded or who we got for picks or anything else) [B]I guess it would have to be a Z-[/B].[/quote]

I got a Z- once, I had to go back and repeat the last 3 grades ;)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;537177]Ok, but using your logic that draft position doesn't count, only production I don't understand how you arrive at a D+. Out of 6 players, we added 4 who have seen considerable playing time. That is a solid hit to miss ratio. And we added 2 DL players, 1 LB that all contributed in a way that gave us a top 5 D last year. And Doughty would probably have seen significant ST playing time, barring his injury.

So my questions are:

What type of production would it take to get an average grade from you?

Do you say 6 pro-bowlers out of 6 picks is an A+?

Or that an average draft should have 3 pro-bowlers out of 6 picks?

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Good Questions!
It was a tough choice between a C and D+. If doughty was a better special teams player I would've rated the draft a C.

Average grade: First round pick is a solid player that is one of the better players at his position, Not a probowler but a solid player. second pick is a solid player that could start for most teams. 3rd round pick is a solid player that fits into your scheme. Maybe not a starter on all teams but has a role on your team.
The second day picks are hit or miss. You would like to add depth and special teams players with 2nd day picks.
To me that gets an average grade.

If any of the players make the probowl, I would bump the grade to a 'B'. If a second day player makes the probowl, I would make it an instant 'A'. You got quality with your first day picks but added a great pick with the second day choices.

3 Probowlers no matter how many ppicks is a great draft. A+
6 Probowl players is not realistic.

The 2004 Taylor Cooley draft was a 'A+'.
I would even rank the Landry draft as a C+ just because we got one probowl quality player and not much else.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;537082]

# Year Rd Overall Player Pos
1 2006 2 35 Rocky McIntosh LB
2 2006 5 153 Anthony Montgomery NT
3 2006 6 173 Reed Doughty DB
4 2006 6 196 Kedric Golston DT
5 2006 7 230 Kili Lefotu G
6 2006 7 250 Kevin Simon LB

I think I would give it a [B]B+, or A-, [/B] given that we had only 1 first day pick, it looks like we got 3 solid players, McIntosh, Montgomery, and Golston, and 1 mid grade in Reed Doughty. I remember Lefotu, but nothing about Simon. What does every one else think?[/quote]

B+ or A-? ...that is a stretch.

What would you give this draft class that produced 5 starters?

2005 Patriots

1 32 Logan Mankins G Fresno State
3 84 Ellis Hobbs CB Iowa State
3 100 Nick Kaczur T Toledo
4 133 James Sanders SAF Fresno State
5 170 Ryan Claridge LB Nevada-Las Vegas
7 230 Matt Cassel QB USC
7 255 Andy Stokes TE William Penn

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C+. We picked up some solid role players in Monty and Golston. If Rocky can get back on track this year the grade could raise to a B.

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I think it's a C so far. We got some nice mid to low round value but I think a lot of this draft still rests on McIntosh becoming an impact player. If McIntosh becomes a good starter long term then this draft could become a B or even B+. It's just hard to give a final grade to a draft when we are not totaly sure about the top pick in the group.

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[quote=freddyg12;537180]Philly's draft wasn't bad that year, we'll see if W. Justice starts this year & Bunkley has become ok. But the thing that stands out about that draft to me is O.Gaither, they got him in the 5th & he's turned out to be a solid MLB.

I look at the draft like a batting avg. w/runs scored or FG pct. w/scoring in hoops. Your chances of scoring increase the more at bats or shots you take. Obvious I know, yet we've continually given up picks & reduced our chances. Vinny's got a rate of success, just needs more shots.[/quote]

dallas had a terrible year, but new york had a good draft too... they got a DE and a DT that started a combined 31 games last year, and moss, whimper, and wilkinson are still on the team providing cheap depth and ST value... though a 3rd rounder playing teams only and a 2nd rounder catching 15 passes a year is a bit of a bust, it's still a good draft (I'd trade all of our picks for all of theirs that year - we'd finally get a DE).

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I am really trying to understand the animosity towards Rocky. He has only missed 2 games in 3 seasons.

His Rookie year was bad when he wasn't starting because he had not matured yet. Outside of that he has been solid, maybe not Pro Bowler-esque, but solid.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/rockymcintosh/careerstats?id=MCI506148]Rocky McIntosh: Career Stats[/url]

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[quote=Angry;537317]I am really trying to understand the animosity towards Rocky. He has only missed 2 games in 3 seasons.

His Rookie year was bad when he wasn't starting because he had not matured yet. Outside of that he has been solid, maybe not Pro Bowler-esque, but solid.

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/rockymcintosh/careerstats?id=MCI506148"]Rocky McIntosh: Career Stats[/URL][/quote]He does wear down easily, and then he has a major tendency to overrun plays, and just generally tackle himself.

Don't get me wrong, I've seen worse (such as his predecessor), but barring something unexpected, he's on the pathway to bustville.

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[quote=GTripp0012;537320]He does wear down easily, and then he has a major tendency to overrun plays, and just generally tackle himself.

Don't get me wrong, I've seen worse (such as his predecessor), but barring something unexpected, he's on the pathway to bustville.[/quote]

Maybe I need to watch some more tape, because I have not noticed anything that dramatic. I have noticed the entire defense as a whole get worn down because the offense cannot stay on the field. Maybe I have missed something.