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The Goat 03-28-2009 08:48 PM

What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
It's the billion dollar question, the elephant in the room. Our defense was solid last year and I think no matter what, whether we draft a LB or grab a stopgap in FA between now and OTAs, it will be a competitive to dominant unit in '09. Understandably our focus has been sort of limited to defense w/ the additions of big Al and re-signing Hall.

But as that excitement abates it's like now I keep remembering the anemic, bottom of the league offense that frustrated the living hell out of us for eight straight weeks last season. How much will we improve by opening day? What is left to add (or subtract) to produce a competitive offense? I'm curious to hear what the gurus, the self-made analysts, have to say about:

1) the possibility/probability our WR corp makes a leap in a single season (predicting no change in the group btw)

2) whether our o-line can become a respectable unit between now and opening day

3) whether you all think Zorn can create a game-plan that maximizes our talent on offense and turns "touches" into touchdowns

AnimateYYZ 03-28-2009 09:15 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
[quote=The Goat;540418]It's the billion dollar question, the elephant in the room. Our defense was solid last year and I think no matter what, whether we draft a LB or grab a stopgap in FA between now and OTAs, it will be a competitive to dominant unit in '09. Understandably our focus has been sort of limited to defense w/ the additions of big Al and re-signing Hall.

But as that excitement abates it's like now I keep remembering the anemic, bottom of the league offense that frustrated the living hell out of us for eight straight weeks last season. How much will we improve by opening day? What is left to add (or subtract) to produce a competitive offense? I'm curious to hear what the gurus, the self-made analysts, have to say about:[/quote]

[quote] 1) the possibility/probability our WR corp makes a leap in a single season (predicting no change in the group btw) [/quote]
Devin Thomas is working with Santana in Miami- this could only help. If he emerges as a legit #2 WR, he could take some pressure off of Moss. As for Kelly, he was looking better than Thomas in training camp last year, let's just hope he gets healthy.
[quote]2) whether our o-line can become a respectable unit between now and opening day[/quote]
Again, injuries are a concern here. I think these guys are a respectable unit when healthy. Bringing Dock back will help with the lines chemistry. With the addition of a good young tackle, I think we're ok.
[quote]3) whether you all think Zorn can create a game-plan that maximizes our talent on offense and turns "touches" into touchdowns[/quote]
This is my biggest question. The play calling last year was often stale and predictable. I have to believe that with the off season, Z and his staff will have made adjustments and open it up a little more. This year they should be able to run the majority of the playbook instead of just a section. But if I see no hurry up or 2 min drills this season, I will lose it.

MiraclesHappen07 03-28-2009 09:18 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
Meh, the only thing i like to see be better is our young recivers, but honestly im not expecting much from our offense

53Fan 03-28-2009 09:22 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
1) A leap? If improving to the point of actually making contributions to help the team qualifies as a leap, yes.
2) Yes. How long it can stay that way has a lot to do with injuries and whether we resign Kendall or not, just in case. I think a couple of the younger guys, Rinehart, maybe Clark or Gysienger, will be put more in a position to progress. Plus I think we will get some help in the draft.
3) Yes. He's had plenty of time to see where things went wrong and will adapt. Davis should also help us in the redzone this year, I think he's ready. Kelly also could make a huge difference.

vallin21 03-28-2009 09:26 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
[quote=The Goat;540418]It's the billion dollar question, the elephant in the room. Our defense was solid last year and I think no matter what, whether we draft a LB or grab a stopgap in FA between now and OTAs, it will be a competitive to dominant unit in '09. Understandably our focus has been sort of limited to defense w/ the additions of big Al and re-signing Hall.

But as that excitement abates it's like now I keep remembering the anemic, bottom of the league offense that frustrated the living hell out of us for eight straight weeks last season. How much will we improve by opening day? What is left to add (or subtract) to produce a competitive offense? I'm curious to hear what the gurus, the self-made analysts, have to say about:

1) the possibility/probability our WR corp makes a leap in a single season (predicting no change in the group btw)

2) whether our o-line can become a respectable unit between now and opening day

3) whether you all think Zorn can create a game-plan that maximizes our talent on offense and turns "touches" into touchdowns[/quote]

The main expectation I have is how JC improves in the WCO. This will be his 2nd second year and I'm hoping he becomes a decent QB. If he does not progress, we might finish 4th again, so this is a make or break year. This will also put expectations on Zorn to call better plays and take more shots downfield, and if he doesn't improve on either they're both gone after the season.

KI Skins Fan 03-28-2009 09:48 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
I'm a self-made (or, at least, a self-proclaimed) analyst, and I'm glad you asked those questions. Here's what I think:

1) I see no reason why our WR position would not be stronger this season.

For starters, I like Devin Thomas. You throw him the ball and he catches it. That seems simple enough, but some other 1st round picks such as Braylon Edwards and our own 50/50 weren't able to do it. When he was drafted, we knew he was raw and that it would take him some time to produce. Now, he has a season under his belt and he has been working with Santana Moss in the off-season, so he couldn't help but be better.

By all accounts from last season, Malcolm Kelly was more impressive than Thomas in practice until his knees betrayed him. He was a great college player, so IMO, if he's healthy, I think he'll make a meaningful contribution.

Santana Moss will do a fine job, as usual, but I don't expect much from ARE. Thrash is done.

2) Our O-Line will be fine from the start of the season until the mid-point. From then on, they'll wear down and the offense will become less effective. We desperately need an infusion of talented young players on the O-Line.

3) To me, Jim Zorn is unproven as a game planner, a play caller, and a head coach. I think this season is his last chance to prove that he can be the HC in Washington because proven coaches like Cowher, Shanahan, and possibly Holmgren will be available next season. If the Skins should miss the playoffs, Dan Snyder won't be able to resist hiring one of them.

To answer your question, I saw very little creativity and absolutely no willingness to take a calculated risk in Zorn's offense last season, so no I don't think he'll get the job done.

4) The question you didn't ask. I also don't think Jason Campbell wil be our QB after this season. I won't bore you with my reasons because it's just the usual stuff. I think that the OL woes have simply masked his deficiencies.

Nevertheless, I'll cheer for the Redskins, including Zorn and Campbell, and hope that I'm proven to be wrong.

SirClintonPortis 03-28-2009 09:49 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
JC has a 3600-3700 yd season, with 19 TDs, 10 INTs, and a 61% completion percentage. He also gets a 7.0 YPA and is sacked 35 times.
I believe Thomas will be productive, but inconsistent. Kelly lights it up... for half a season.
I think the O-line will be adequate, even with Heyer as the starter.

I doubt Zorn will make a huge jump in making adjustments, but he'll improve enough.

4mrusmc 03-28-2009 10:13 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
All of the above posts are spot-on. I remember Portis basically calling-out his O-line, and how JC was not able to look for anybody open down field because he was constantly running for his life.

This team needs to focus heavily on up-grading at the O-line position. Without a dominant O-line, this team will never realize its potential.

This team has plenty of talent and youth at the skill positions. In year two for our 2 new joins at recceiver, and our second threat at tight end (Davis), we should all fully expect better returns. BUT, for those returns to be realized, we need to have WAY better play from our O-line.

Scoring touchdowns in the redzone also needs to improve.

And, no post from me would be complete without a shameless plug to GIVE BIG MIKE THE DAMN BALL!!!

AnimateYYZ 03-28-2009 10:23 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
[quote=4mrusmc;540430]And, no post from me would be complete without a shameless plug to [B]GIVE BIG MIKE THE DAMN BALL[/B]!!![/quote]

I second that. Dat Boy needs more touches.

70Chip 03-28-2009 10:30 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
[quote] 1) the possibility/probability our WR corp makes a leap in a single season (predicting no change in the group btw) [/quote]

I'm not expecting too much of an improvement from Thomas. If Kelly can be healthy, I suppose he might make a difference, but I really think that Cerratto painted himself into a corner by drafting 3 receivers so close together. He should have drafted Davis and one of the other two and then kept Mix another year to see if he developed and then they could have been justified in drafting another WR or going after one in FA, although after Houshmanilli, the pickings were pretty slim. Now our whole season hangs on a bad knee and a bad attitude.

[quote] 2) whether our o-line can become a respectable unit between now and opening day [/quote]

I've never thought our offensive line was not respectable. They were much better last year, to me, than they were the year before with Fabini and Wade/Heyer on the right side. That line was poor. Last year's line run blocked pretty well although they did taper off at the end. I think you could make a case that the lack of a passing game allowed defenses to be more agressive in keying on Portis rather than a big drop off in execution as to why they dropped off late.

In terms of pass protection, I just think that people have the bar set too high in their minds. Defenses today are totally focused on pressuring the QB (except for ours, I guess). No QB is going to be clean the whole game. The onus is on the skill players to a)maximise the situations where there is solid protection, and b)minimize the damage when things inevitably go awry. That's all the current successful QB's in a nutshell to me. If you're waiting for an O-Line that will do what the 1991 O-Line did, you'll be waiting the rest of your life. That was a 100 year performance. Our line is at worst middle of the pack. Age is a concern, but when I see people talk about the O-Line as though they were 32nd in every category, I have to scratch my head.

[quote]3) whether you all think Zorn can create a game-plan that maximizes our talent on offense and turns "touches" into touchdowns [/quote]

I 'm sure he can. I think he needs to be more agressive early in the game. Too many times last year they would have three three and outs with all vanilla playcalling before he ever got to the plays that had any chance of success. There's no rule that says you have to save all the good stuff for the 4th quarter. You need to have 60 minutes of good stuff. Sometimes it helps your team's attitude to just come out on the first play with a reverse or some other gadget to keep it loose and get the blood flowing. Maybe just give Jason the green light to take a deep shot right out of the box.

I think that he needs to stop calling what I would call "crutch plays" for Jason. (A crutch play would be one that he knows there won't be a mental error on because it's really basic and they've run it a 1,000 times i.e. that slant to Moss that was less and less sucessful as the season wore on) Zorn cannot allow caution to become fear in his mind as a play caller. Caution is good. I saw more and more fear as the season went on.

Lastly, we need Jason Campbell to take on a little bit of a schoolyard bully mentality. Did you ever play sports in like 4th grade with a kid who was bigger than all the other kids, but who still took great joy in dominating every sport? Who didn't think his exploits were in any way cheapened by the fact that his opponents were so much smaller and weaker? [I]Wasn't that kid a dick? [/I]That's what you need from your QB.

skinsfaninok 03-28-2009 10:37 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
What is there to expect????? Our Offense will be a little better, but not much. I say instead of avg. 16 ppg we will avg. 19ppg! Same story good Rushing Attack and Boring passing attack, we didn't change any personal so it won't get that much better!

WaldSkins 03-28-2009 10:40 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
Not much, maybe 3 more points a game.

SeanTaylor21SKINS 03-28-2009 10:41 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
1. If all of our recievers are healthy; we will be in good shape there.

2. I think getting Doc back will boost our line. They should be very solid come opening day.

3. Zorn can if he mixes it up. Get all of our threats involved in the game. Assuming everyone is healthy we have; Santana Moss, Clinton Portis, Chris Cooley, Mike Sellers, Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, Antwaan Randle El, and a solid offensive line.
Zorn can't be as predictable as he was last season. Mix it up and our offense will be tough to defend.

GTripp0012 03-29-2009 12:34 AM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
1) I predict good health for Kelly, and that he makes a moderate impact this year. I don't think anyone is unseating Randle El as the No. 2 just yet. I think Fred Davis will handle whatever role we ask of him with great success, but his ultimate success or failure here is based heavily on his usage pattern. I don't see much more for Thomas than another 12-15 catches this year.

2) Really, this depends on how we address C and T in the draft and the months leading up to training camp. As is, we are simply an injury prone group that is thinner than it needs to be.

3) No reason to be down on Zorn. Man is a student of the game, and as long as he has the tools, we'll see a multi-dimensional attack next year.

Chico23231 03-29-2009 09:41 AM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
Expectations:
1. The offense overall should run smoother with Jason now in entering his second year in it and his 5th year overall in the league.
2. I expect much better play from our 2 young receivers, with one of the two hopefully breaking out for a solid year.
3. I expect Zorn to be more comfortable coaching the offense. Better play calling was needed at the end of the season especially in the Red Zone.
My Biggest Worries around the offense:
1. Clinton Portis's health. We were playing our best ball last year when he was running hard, towards the end of the season he was too banged up. It would be nice if the front office would not give away draft picks so we could get Portis some help back there.
2. Right Tackle. I think the entire O-Line is solid when healthy, with the exception of this position.
3. JC not growing this year in the offense. If he doesnt he is gone, but we need better play to make the playoffs in this division.

Skinny Tee 03-29-2009 12:27 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
Until our offensive line is addressed we should expect the same offensive product that we had last year. Replacing Kendall with Dockery is more maintaining than improving our line.

Our skill players are in place. We have capable skill players so QB, RB, TE, WR should not even be mentioned in improving our offense.


OL should be the first and only concern. And by the way it still has not been addressed so as of right now we shouldn't expect a change in our production this coming season.

saden1 03-29-2009 12:51 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
Score more points. I don't really care how, just give me more TDs and do try to win games.

GusFrerotte 03-29-2009 05:50 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
Biggest question is whether Campbell can really start to show some real improvement in '09 and give us all a glimmer of hope. The thing is any decent QB needs a decent supporting cast to help him out and there are too many question marks out there to say he will even be allowed to improve. That is why this QB crap is so annoying. We might never find out if JC is really a pro bowl calibre QB til we actually build a real offense around him, and then we still might find out he is just average.

It is nice to hear Thomas working out with Moss, but why didn't they show up to Redskins Park? Unless Thomas really steps it up we will again be screwed in the passing game. ARE and Thrash need to go bye bye. Kelly was MIA last season so I am willing to give him another season of leeway, but I am still banking on either one of these guys(Thomas, Kelly) to end up being a bust. Pray both aren't busts!!!!!

The line is of course the biggest ? variable in the mix. How many games can we go with a healthy line? How long til it is in tatters and reliant on rooks or scrubs to hold it together. IF they are healthy, Clinton will really shine, if they get really banged up before say week 3-4 it will be a long season.

GusFrerotte 03-29-2009 05:56 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
[quote=Skinny Tee;540476]Until our offensive line is addressed we should expect the same offensive product that we had last year. Replacing Kendall with Dockery is more maintaining than improving our line.

Our skill players are in place. We have capable skill players so QB, RB, TE, WR should not even be mentioned in improving our offense.


OL should be the first and only concern. And by the way it still has not been addressed so as of right now we shouldn't expect a change in our production this coming season.[/quote]


I agree for the most part, but we really do need to upgrade our WR corp in the 2010 draft. ARE and Thrash are tremendously overpaid for their production, and their ability. The rooks get another year or two to grow into the game and become contributors. If they don't pan out after the 2010 season, better draft one in the first two rounds of 2011.

T.O.Killa 03-29-2009 07:58 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
I expect Portis to have a career year and Jason Campbell to have his best year. I am also looking for Heyer to show that he is a Right tackle.

53Fan 03-29-2009 08:07 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
[quote=T.O.Killa;540510]I expect Portis to have a career year[B] and Jason Campbell to have his best year. I am also looking for Heyer to show that he is a Right tackle[/B].[/quote]

I agree with everything except Portis because I hope we use another back a little more often this year. But I do expect Portis to have a great year.

Ruhskins 03-29-2009 08:11 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
I think there are people on this team that will have additional motivators to do better this year in the team.

- Campbell and Rogers: they are in contract years, so if they want to get an extension or be competitive in the free agent market, they need to bring their A game (it's common sense).

- Rookie Wideouts: Bad offseason, typical rookie production (you do know that rookies typically don't have Pro Bowl stats their first year, right?), health issues (Kelly), and commitment issues (Thomas) plagued their first season with the team; if they expect to start on this team, they'll need to step it up big time.

- Zorn: His job is safe for now, however a good showing this year should keep his job safe for a couple of years. With the likes of Mike Shanahan, Gruden, and Cowher not employed as head coaches, the last thing Zorn needs to have at the end of the '09 season to have is questions about his job security. A trip to the playoffs should take care of that.

- Cerrato: I wouldn't be surprised if he's in the same situation as Zorn.

- Heyer/Jensen: Heyer needs to prove that he can be a starter, and Jensen has been talking about being in starting form, so he needs to put his money where his mouth is.

skinsfan69 03-29-2009 09:59 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
[quote=GTripp0012;540459]1) I predict good health for Kelly, and that he makes a moderate impact this year. I don't think anyone is unseating Randle El as the No. 2 just yet. I think Fred Davis will handle whatever role we ask of him with great success, but his ultimate success or failure here is based heavily on his usage pattern. I don't see much more for Thomas than another 12-15 catches this year.

2) Really, this depends on how we address C and T in the draft and the months leading up to training camp. As is, we are simply an injury prone group that is thinner than it needs to be.

[B]3) No reason to be down on Zorn. Man is a student of the game, and as long as he has the tools, we'll see a multi-dimensional attack next year.[/quote][/B]

[B]Well he may be a student of the game but that doesn't mean he's a good offensive coordinator or play caller. Everyone on offense needs to do a better job, including Zorn.[/B]

skinsfan69 03-29-2009 10:01 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
I expect the offense to be a little better but not drastically better.

Zerohero 03-29-2009 10:25 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
Really looking forward to the receivers improving because i don't see Portis being able to last the whole year if they ride him the first 8 games again.

Redskin Jim 03-29-2009 10:48 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
[quote=Ruhskins;540516]I think there are people on this team that will have additional motivators to do better this year in the team.

- Campbell and Rogers: they are in contract years, so if they want to get an extension or be competitive in the free agent market, they need to bring their A game (it's common sense).

- Rookie Wideouts: Bad offseason, typical rookie production (you do know that rookies typically don't have Pro Bowl stats their first year, right?), health issues (Kelly), and commitment issues (Thomas) plagued their first season with the team; if they expect to start on this team, they'll need to step it up big time.

- Zorn: His job is safe for now, however a good showing this year should keep his job safe for a couple of years. With the likes of Mike Shanahan, Gruden, and Cowher not employed as head coaches, the last thing Zorn needs to have at the end of the '09 season to have is questions about his job security. A trip to the playoffs should take care of that.

- Cerrato: I wouldn't be surprised if he's in the same situation as Zorn.

- Heyer/Jensen: Heyer needs to prove that he can be a starter, and Jensen has been talking about being in starting form, so he needs to put his money where his mouth is.[/quote]
Well said, Ruhskins....

Eknox 03-29-2009 10:58 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
I expect an attacking offense , and not one that looks tentative and confused. And of course more touchdowns..

Dirtbag59 03-29-2009 11:15 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
What needs to be happen:

1. That RT spot needs to get settled. Weather it be through a first round pick or Stephon Heyer learning to bend his knees and dominate at the POA.

2. Ladell Betts needs to find a way to be more effective in limited time. I've always said he needs about 10 carries to get a feel for the game, but he needs to find a way to make the most with what he's got.

3. In helping point 2 Portis needs less carries so he'll be healthier by the time the end of the season roles around.

4. The 3 amigos (sleepy, lazy, and peg leg) need to develop. Jason Campbell seems to have a little Eli Manning in him in that he's probably very effective when he has more big targets to throw to. You know the type that just need to be around the ball to make a play rather then guys like ARE who need percission passes.

As long as Campbell gets protection he's on the same level as Cutler and with a defense that figures to possibly be the best in the league they'll have more help then ever. God knows we have better offensive weapons then the Titans.

Skins4L 03-29-2009 11:56 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
My expectancy is a little low for the offense going into this season.. The show they put on last year the second half of the season really scares me.

I still feel like we need a replacement for Betts (the watered down Portis). We need a change of pace there... But then again we have so many other position needs. Its obvious Portis needs more cover coming into the season for injury risks, but we might not get someone.

And Campbell needs to be protected. A FULLY HEALTHY SKINS LINE WOULD BE HELPFUL..

We should step it up.

GTripp0012 03-30-2009 12:45 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
Vinny Cerrato doesn't mix words defending the Thomas selection:

[quote]
Cerrato: "We liked Eddie Royal, Doc. What it came down to is, Eddie Royal is [U]about 5'9"[/U], okay? Santana [Moss] and Antwaan [Randle El] [U]are both that size[/U]. [U]We wanted bigger guys[/U]. [U]We did not want another little guy[/U] because we already had two. [U]We wanted bigger guys[/U]. [U]We wanted a couple bigger guys[/U], so that is why we went in that direction. [U]We weren't looking for another little guy[/U] because we had Santana and we had Antwaan and [U]we wanted bigger guys[/U]. [U]We already had that mold[/U] and [U]we didn't have the big guy[/U]. In the west coast offense, there are a lot of slants and a lot of those things and [U]having a bigger presence[/U] was what we were looking for."[/quote]

I saw two Redskins games yesterday, including Cowboys-Skins on NFLN, and I've got to say, Thomas actually looks good as a blocker. Can't run routes, can't line up in the right spot, but he can absolutely block any DB who covers him.

CRedskinsRule 03-30-2009 01:02 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
[quote=GTripp0012;540616]Vinny Cerrato doesn't mix words defending the Thomas selection:



I saw two Redskins games yesterday, including Cowboys-Skins on NFLN, and I've got to say, Thomas actually looks good as a blocker. Can't run routes, can't line up in the right spot, but he can absolutely block any DB who covers him.[/quote]

I saw the Boys Skins, and was surprised to see 11 around the play as much as i did. Tripp are you so down on him, that you don't think he can grow and learn as he has more time in the NFL? Just wondering.

GTripp0012 03-30-2009 01:13 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
[quote=CRedskinsRule;540621]I saw the Boys Skins, and was surprised to see 11 around the play as much as i did. Tripp are you so down on him, that you don't think he can grow and learn as he has more time in the NFL? Just wondering.[/quote]Anything can happen. He's just so far behind everyone else that something very, very unexpected would have to happen for him to be even league average as a starter.

And if that happens, I can safely say that I never saw it coming.

All I really am saying is that the probability that DT catches up and learns the intricacies of a game he never really appeared to understand are somewhere near the chances that the Redskins find an undrafted free agent gem who storms the NFL and bumps Randle El to third receiver rotation with Kelly, all while racking up 8 TDs this season. Could happen, but when I'm doing my projections for the season, it's not something I'm counting on.

GTripp0012 03-30-2009 01:15 PM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
But what I was trying to point out is that: since Thomas is a more than adequate blocker, there's a reason to get him out on the field next year when there wouldn't otherwise be a reason. So if he's on the field, at least he's going to get a fair shake at development.

It remains to be seen what kind of blocker Malcolm Kelly will be in the NFL, but Davis and Thomas have already made a big impact in that aspect.

Monkeydad 04-01-2009 10:07 AM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
It will improve if the line holds up. The re-addition of Doc is huge.

One of the rookie WRs will break out. Campbell will make the Pro Bowl. Yes, I said it.

mcludka 04-01-2009 10:30 AM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
You can't expect to have Zorn running this openned up, complicated offense with deep routes when the O-line gave JC about 1.1 seconds to look downfield. That is what had the O hamstrung. Not Jim Zorn's imagination. when the Line gets fixed/healthy, the offense will magically open up. When the recievers prove they are a threat, the offense will magically open up. It's not Zorn.

KLHJ2 04-01-2009 10:30 AM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
What is "Offense"? I have never heard of that term before. Does it predate the 2nd Joe Gibbs era?

SouperMeister 04-01-2009 11:24 AM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
Draft either Andre Smith or Michael Oher for the RT job, and our O-line should finally be able to protect Campbell in the passing game. Assuming that the young receivers drafted last year will contribute this year, and I like the prospects of our offense taking a big step forward.

70Chip 04-01-2009 11:30 AM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
[quote=mcludka;541076]You can't expect to have Zorn running this openned up, complicated offense with deep routes when the O-line gave JC about 1.1 seconds to look downfield. That is what had the O hamstrung. Not Jim Zorn's imagination. when the Line gets fixed/healthy, the offense will magically open up. When the recievers prove they are a threat, the offense will magically open up. It's not Zorn.[/quote]

You are never going to see the pass protection you're dreaming of in today's NFL. You need a QB and receivers that can make plays in spite of pressure, because pressure is now a fact of life against nearly all the good teams.

MTK 04-01-2009 11:32 AM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
Here's what I expect... another garbage year from the offense. JC is out next year and so is Zorn. Then say hello to a big name signing at HC. Someone like Shanahan or Cowher. Depending on the development of last year's draft picks I could see Vinny getting the boot and Danny handing over total control to whichever big name coach he brings in.

Monksdown 04-01-2009 11:43 AM

Re: What to expect of the offense in '09?
 
Our offense will continue to struggle under Jason Campbell. He will have another 3-6 games of seeming like he's the real deal at some point. And the rest will fall apart when Clinton gets sidelined with an injury for a few games. Coincidentally Ladell will be banged up a little from a hamstring or something at roughly the same time.

Our offensive line will suffer one significant injury that will push one of our draft picks into the lineup a bit early. Which will pay dividends next year and subsequent years.

WideOut: Santana catches 50 balls for 5 tds with an abnormally high drop count. Thomas takes a step forward this year and begins to show some of his natural talent. Malcolm Kelly might dress for 8 games, and will be off the team next year.

Tight End: Chris will lead the team in catches, and his TD count will be significantly higher than last year. (that shouldn't be tough)

Another 8-8 year, all laid at the feet of Zorn and JC. Goodbye boys, bring on Shanahan.


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