If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

In the event that we aren't able to acquire Cutler from the Broncos for an obscene package of picks and players, should we extend Campbell's contract as a show of commitment? We've already shown a lack of confidence in him by not extending him prior to now. Depending on who you believe, we've shopped him for a 2nd round pick and/or have offered him in a trade for Cutler. Without an extension, we'd be setting him up to be the biggest lame duck in NFL history and expecting him to lead our offense into 2009. I'm not advocating either way, but it's worth discussing.

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

Well, yes, of course. But if that was even a remote consideration, even a passing interest in Cutler wouldn't make any sense.

It's just one of those days where you look at the situation developing, and just wonder why we ever thought we were past these days.

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

Should the Skins fail to acquire Cutler, I don't see Campbell extending his contract. Would you want to extend with a team that clearly doesn't want you? At this point, I think Snyder HAS to make this trade happen (sort of the same situation Denver is in now with Cutler). It's too bad, I really like Campbell.

HAIL!

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

No, we should not. It would make us look even more schizophrenic. First we said we had no interest in Cutler and JC is our guy (but no new contract). Then we go back on that and decide we're interested in Cutler, which shows we were pretty much lying and obviously not too confident in JC. So then if we don't get the guy we just announced we really want, we should pretend it never happened and extend the QB we just tried to shop becuase of lack of confidence? My head is spinning. I miss Coach Joe's influence on this one.

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

pshhh...this situation seems so f'd right now I doubt it matters what we offer JC. I mean if Snyder does this it will be the 2nd time in just two years he's handled the team w/o a shred of integrity: whether you liked Gregg Williams for HC or not the way Snyder and his minions tried to throw him under the bus w/ all the crap about Gregg dissing Gibbs etc, well any honest person should see how deplorable that was. Now Snyder let's HC Zorn give JC his blessing before pulling the rug out from under the whole thing to grab a QB of similar skill/talent who's done little more than whine about his plight. This is f'd IMHO...

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

Retarted thread. lol jk.

ummm, we might have to as a peace offering. However I think it's a safe bet that the Skins will get Cutler. They will outbid everyone unless someone is willing to offer 3 first round picks. I have a feeling we will offer two. The good news is we could possibly get a late 2nd round pick so at least we could do something about our Line needs.

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

extend him to give him confidence? that's stupid; players almost always perform better on contract years.

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;541437]Retarted thread. lol jk.

ummm, we might have to as a peace offering. However I think it's a safe bet that the Skins will get Cutler. They will outbid everyone unless someone is willing to offer 3 first round picks. I have a feeling we will offer two. The good news is we could possibly get a late 2nd round pick so at least we could do something about our Line needs.[/quote]Dirtbag, no one is going to give us shit for Campbell. That's the problem here. If every team values Campbell like we do, we'll have to release him next week or so.

When you have an asset that needs to mature, you hold onto to it. That business 101. Cutler's value is at an all time high, and we're actually considering doing that.

I think it will be the 13th pick, a second rounder in 2010, and Carlos Rogers for Jay Cutler. At which point, Campbell becomes a sunk cost.

Essentially, if I'm predicting correctly we give up two great young players, the chance at two more great young players, and do it all to get one great young player. That's essentially how it's going to break down.

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

[quote=The Goat;541436]pshhh...this situation seems so f'd right now I doubt it matters what we offer JC. I mean if Snyder does this it will be the 2nd time in just two years he's handled the team w/o a shred of integrity: whether you liked Gregg Williams for HC or not the way Snyder and his minions tried to throw him under the bus w/ all the crap about Gregg dissing Gibbs etc, well any honest person should see how deplorable that was. Now Snyder let's HC Zorn give JC his blessing before pulling the rug out from under the whole thing to grab a QB of similar skill/talent who's done little more than whine about his plight. This is f'd IMHO...[/quote]

That pretty much sums it up for me. This whole situation makes me :vomit:

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

I'm sure i've stated this before, but the downside to not extending his contract is if he has a killer year. then we are just raped by his new contract. while on one hand i guess that's a good problem to have, resigning a probowl player. downside is he gonna want a ton of moolah.

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

What the hell are we doing here? Can we have just one normal off season. Jason Campbell can be just as an effective QB as Jay Culter if he is surrounded by the right talent. There is no way that we should give up any picks for Jay Culter, we have more glaring needs on this team that we should focus on. After everyone in the Redskins organization swore that they had no intrest in Culter and to have this story come and stab Jason in the back is why we are known as the ass clowns of the league. I can only hope and pray that this story is not true and they are just using the Redskins to generate intrest from other teams. Wait, who am I kidding.... :bs:
I feel sorry for Jason right now.

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;541440]Dirtbag, no one is going to give us shit for Campbell. That's the problem here. If every team values Campbell like we do, we'll have to release him next week or so.

When you have an asset that needs to mature, you hold onto to it. That business 101. Cutler's value is at an all time high, and we're actually considering doing that.

I think it will be the 13th pick, a second rounder in 2010, and [B]Carlos Rogers [/B]for Jay Cutler. At which point, Campbell becomes a sunk cost.

Essentially, if I'm predicting correctly we give up two great young players, the chance at two more great young players, and do it all to get one great young player. That's essentially how it's going to break down.[/quote]

I sure hope you're wrong about Rogers. He's starting to come into his own (minus the dropped INTs) and pairing him with D-Hall makes them both better. This whole thing makes me sick.

HAIL!

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

I would rather he prove he's earned the pay day, then reassure him that i think he can.

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;541440]Dirtbag, no one is going to give us shit for Campbell. That's the problem here. If every team values Campbell like we do, we'll have to release him next week or so.

When you have an asset that needs to mature, you hold onto to it. That business 101. Cutler's value is at an all time high, and we're actually considering doing that.

I think it will be the 13th pick, a second rounder in 2010, and Carlos Rogers for Jay Cutler. At which point, Campbell becomes a sunk cost.

Essentially, if I'm predicting correctly we give up two great young players, the chance at two more great young players, and do it all to get one great young player. That's essentially how it's going to break down.[/quote]

Dude please. Your are so not smurt. We'll get every pick in the first round in exchange for Campbell. Hell we could trade Campbell to China and that would wipe out our debt with our easturn neabors.

In all honesty though I agree that Campbell isn't worth more then a 3rd rounder at best but I think he'll be exchanged as more of a courtesy. I keep getting the feeling though that Matt Leinart might be the Bronocs QB next year though if the trade is a three way deal.

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;541440]Dirtbag, no one is going to give us shit for Campbell. That's the problem here. If every team values Campbell like we do, we'll have to release him next week or so.

When you have an asset that needs to mature, you hold onto to it. That business 101. Cutler's value is at an all time high, and we're actually considering doing that.

I think it will be the 13th pick, a second rounder in 2010, and Carlos Rogers for Jay Cutler. At which point, Campbell becomes a sunk cost.

[B]Essentially, if I'm predicting correctly we give up two great young players, the chance at two more great young players, and do it all to get one great young player. That's essentially how it's going to break down[/B].[/quote]

Seriously. I mean, it amazes me sometimes that a few fans like us can figure out the irrationality of some of the bullshit the Redskins pull. What a circus our FO is.

Albert Einstein's definition of insanity: Repeating the same behavior over and over and expecting different results.

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

I would extend him or at least franchise him. His numbers and Cutler's are pretty close, the only difference is that Cutler got better pass protection and had 2 consistent wide receivers and a TE.

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

I don't think that Dan Snyder would allow Vinny to extend the contract of a QB that Dan clearly doesn't want.

Now that the cat's out of the bag, if the trade for Cutler doesn't go through Jason Campbell doesn't have a hair on his ass if he doesn't boycott all team activities and force the Skins to trade him.

I think we can now fairly assume that most of the crazy stuff done by the Skins FO originated in the mind of Dan Snyder.

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

No! I don't think we should offer Campbell anything unless he shows us something this season.

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

excellent first post.

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;541452]
I think we can now fairly assume that most of the crazy stuff done by the Skins FO originated in the mind of Dan Snyder.[/quote]


Yeah I think he pulled this crap out of his ass. :hitfan:

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

[quote=REDSKIN1;541444]What the hell are we doing here? Can we have just one normal off season. Jason Campbell can be just as an effective QB as Jay Culter if he is surrounded by the right talent. There is no way that we should give up any picks for Jay Culter, we have more glaring needs on this team that we should focus on. After everyone in the Redskins organization swore that they had no intrest in Culter and to have this story come and stab Jason in the back is why we are known as the ass clowns of the league. I can only hope and pray that this story is not true and they are just using the Redskins to generate intrest from other teams. Wait, who am I kidding.... :bs:
I feel sorry for Jason right now.[/quote]

lol nah man ofcourse not! this is the Redskins were talking about! they dont understand the phrase "Normal Off-season"=] sooo just sit back, relaxe and enjoy the ever spinning days in the life of the Redskins Front office! :food-smil

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;541452]I don't think that Dan Snyder would allow Vinny to extend the contract of a QB that Dan clearly doesn't want.

Now that the cat's out of the bag, if the trade for Cutler doesn't go through [B]Jason Campbell doesn't have a hair on his ass if he doesn't boycott all team activities and force the Skins to trade him.[/B]

I think we can now fairly assume that most of the crazy stuff done by the Skins FO originated in the mind of Dan Snyder.[/quote]

Jason Campbell is not a crybaby like Cutler.

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;541440]Dirtbag, no one is going to give us shit for Campbell. That's the problem here. If every team values Campbell like we do, we'll have to release him next week or so.

When you have an asset that needs to mature, you hold onto to it. That business 101. Cutler's value is at an all time high, and we're actually considering doing that.

I think it will be the 13th pick, a second rounder in 2010, and Carlos Rogers for Jay Cutler. At which point, Campbell becomes a sunk cost.

Essentially, if I'm predicting correctly we give up two great young players, the chance at two more great young players, and do it all to get one great young player. That's essentially how it's going to break down.[/quote]

What do you mean? Many teams would give us something for Campbell. KC, the Jets, Lions, Vikings, hell even Denver might go for him He is a starting QB, that in itself is worth something. I mean come on Tripp, we have been having our friendly debate with the Gus/JC thing and now you say nobody will offer us even a second round pick or two for JC? Shit, look at Gus, they have had his ass all over the place. JC is better than Gus dude, at this point in time for sure. There are at least half a dozen teams that need a starter, that is why it probably will involve a third team.

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;541461]What do you mean? Many teams would give us something for Campbell. KC, the Jets, Lions, Vikings, hell even Denver might go for him He is a starting QB, that in itself is worth something. I mean come on Tripp, we have been having our friendly debate with the Gus/JC thing and now you say nobody will offer us even a second round pick or two for JC? Shit, look at Gus, they have had his ass all over the place. JC is better than Gus dude, at this point in time for sure. There are at least half a dozen teams that need a starter, that is why it probably will involve a third team.[/quote]Right, but they WILL get him for free once we cut him.

He'll be a starter in this league next year. We're just erasing all value he has to us by having interest in Cutler.

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

JC's value is far higher in DC than elsewhere, having spent a full season learning Zorn's brand new offense. I don't believe other teams will give up much of anything for him either.

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

[quote=Ruhskins;541460]Jason Campbell is not a crybaby like Cutler.[/quote]

It's a business. Forcing a trade would be a way for Campbell to get a rich new contract from another team.

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

[quote=Monksdown;541454]excellent first post.[/quote]

Thank you!

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

I hope JLC is full of shit.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/redskins-trying-to-land-cutler.html#more]Redskins Insider - Redskins Trying to Land Cutler (Update 2)[/url]

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;541463]He'll be a starter in this league next year. We're just erasing all value he has to us by having interest in Cutler.[/quote]

I think you may be overstating your case a little. I don't doubt that what the Skins are doing is hurting his trade value to some extent but he is still a capable QB who, I agree, will be a starter somewhere. So, I think he would have a relatively high value in a QB-starved league.

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;541476]I hope JLC is full of shit.

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/redskins-trying-to-land-cutler.html#more"]Redskins Insider - Redskins Trying to Land Cutler (Update 2)[/URL][/quote]

Campbell: "I [B]was[/B] definitely looking forward to being in the same offense for another year and seeing what we could together..."

He said it like it was past tense. Maybe I'm reading into it too much. Or maybe he knows he's already gone...

Either way this effing blows.

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;541480]I think you may be overstating your case a little. I don't doubt that what the Skins are doing is hurting his trade value to some extent but he is still a capable QB who, I agree, will be a starter somewhere. So, I think he would have a relatively high value in a QB-starved league.[/quote]Well, the league is hardly QB starved. Successful QBs like Leftwich and Garcia can't even find work. Some teams have bad QB situations, and usually can't tell when the players on their team aren't good, though.

Look, if we trade for Cutler, Campbell obviously isn't staying on the roster. Teams aren't stupid. They are aware of that. They'll wait until we part with him, and then someone offers him a "prove it" deal. He'll have to learn a new offense, but whatever, we already know he can do that.

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;541489]Well, the league is hardly QB starved. Successful QBs like Leftwich and Garcia can't even find work. Some teams have bad QB situations, and usually can't tell when the players on their team aren't good, though.

Look, if we trade for Cutler, Campbell obviously isn't staying on the roster. Teams aren't stupid. They are aware of that. They'll wait until we part with him, and then someone offers him a "prove it" deal. He'll have to learn a new offense, but whatever, we already know he can do that.[/quote]

Unfortunately, we may soon find out what he's worth.

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

[quote=SkinzzFan;541434]Should the Skins fail to acquire Cutler, I don't see Campbell extending his contract. Would you want to extend with a team that clearly doesn't want you? At this point, I think Snyder HAS to make this trade happen (sort of the same situation Denver is in now with Cutler). It's too bad, I really like Campbell.

HAIL![/quote]

He said he wants to remain in DC, of course we'll see after this whole fiasco.. or if it was all just classy talk

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

Redskins One is reportedly in the Denver area, just sayin'

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

Ok we extend JC. But what is JC's market value? Do you pay him as a top 5 QB, top 10?

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;541507]Redskins One is reportedly in the Denver area, just sayin'[/quote]

Really?

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;541507]Redskins One is reportedly in the Denver area, just sayin'[/quote]

I can't believe i gotta stay up all night to see what happens with all this.

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;541507]Redskins One is reportedly in the Denver area, just sayin'[/quote]

Isn't Cutler in Nashville though?

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

[quote=Ruhskins;541518]Isn't Cutler in Nashville though?[/quote]

Maybe they are dropping off Campbell and our picks.

Re: If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?
 

[quote=WaldSkins;541519]Maybe they are dropping off Campbell and our picks.[/quote]

Haha...i'm not stayin up all night for this crap. Man I'm peeved right now.