Pirates hijack ship with 21 Americans aboard off Somalia
 

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i wonder how long the United States is going to put up with their shit( the Somalia pirates)

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What are we going to do? Get the entire fleet to patrol the Somali coast?

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[quote=saden1;544089]What are we going to do? Get the entire feet to patrol the Somali coast?[/quote]

I'd start with putting heavy pressure on the government. Even though the government doesn't have the means to do anything about it, you have to start there.

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And next I'd consider heavy satellite surveillance of the entire Somali coast. With that technology these days you don't need boats positioned 10 miles apart. A few boats placed in key position to respond, combined with adequate aerial views, you should be able to sink these ships often enough to curtail the activity.

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Why would people even take a ship that goes by Somalia at this point. Hint: If you're in a boat, stay the hell away from Somalia.

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Just call in Chuck Norris.

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[quote=Schneed10;544105]I'd start with putting heavy pressure on the government. Even though the government doesn't have the means to do anything about it, you have to start there.[/quote]

They don't really have a government so I'm not sure who you're going to apply pressure on. They have a federal government with wannabe leaders no one listens to and they don't have the teeth to go along with words. Asking them to do anything is akin to asking a retarded person for assistance. If there's one country that embodies a post apocalyptic society we're all so familiar with in the movies it's Somalia.

As far as satellite surveillance I'm not sure we have enough resources or are ready to pull resources from Iraq, North Korea, Afghanistan, Iran, and Pakistan. Honestly, if we were capable we would be doing it. Priacy off the coast of Somalia is nothing new and is a 100+ million dollar business in a country where the GDP is ~5 billion.


What these ships need to do is hire an escort service for protection or have on-board armed guards.

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[quote=Mattyk72;544108]Just call in Chuck Norris.[/quote]

You mean Steven Seagal. He may be just a cook but he also cook's.

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Americans take ship back over. Hang those freakin pirates!

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090408/ap_on_re_af/piracy]US crew reportedly takes over ship from pirates - Yahoo! News[/url]

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;544155]Americans take ship back over. Hang those freakin pirates!

[URL="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090408/ap_on_re_af/piracy"]US crew reportedly takes over ship from pirates - Yahoo! News[/URL][/quote]

Yeah, I had a feeling that wouldn't last very long. I wish that we could have seen the whole thing go down from start to finish or if somebody had recorded it. It might have looked like one of those "World Dumbest Criminals" type clips.

FYI, if you are planning a Highjacking in the near future, make sure that the vessel isn't carrying blue collared Americans.

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Don't wait for the Navy they just float around and get fat.

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Actually the Navy has captured and/or killed several of these hijackers over the past month. One of our navy ships cartured and/or killed like 18 of them in two days. The only reason I know is that the ship came back into port here in our area and the local news covered the story. Its not as easy as people would think to track these guys as they use small boats that are very hard to spot in a large ocean. Remember how long it took the CG to find that boat that had flipped with the NFL players and they had some idea of where to search. Radar will pick them up put it also picks up other stuff floating in the water so picking out what is a boat and what is junk is not that easy. I did read that some of these ship co. have hired Blackwater to provide protection for them but not sure how many do at this time.

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[quote=firstdown;544166]Actually the Navy has captured and/or killed several of these hijackers over the past month. One of our navy ships cartured and/or killed like 18 of them in two days. The only reason I know is that the ship came back into port here in our area and the local news covered the story. Its not as easy as people would think to track these guys as they use small boats that are very hard to spot in a large ocean. Remember how long it took the CG to find that boat that had flipped with the NFL players and they had some idea of where to search. Radar will pick them up put it also picks up other stuff floating in the water so picking out what is a boat and what is junk is not that easy. I did read that some of these ship co. have hired Blackwater to provide protection for them but not sure how many do at this time.[/quote]

Cool deal. It's too bad they don't put that stuff in the news, at least the news I come across. It would be good for morale if they posted how many pirates they greased. Ooo Rah squids.

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[quote=Mattyk72;544108]Just call in [B]Chuck Norris[/B].[/quote]
not to high jack, but what a douche. saw him on fox the other night. all he kept screaming at his guest was, ive been to Iraq. in fact ive done 2 tours. please

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[quote=Angry;544156]Yeah, I had a feeling that wouldn't last very long. I wish that we could have seen the whole thing go down from start to finish or if somebody had recorded it. It might have looked like one of those "World Dumbest Criminals" type clips.
[B]
FYI, if you are planning a Highjacking in the near future, make sure that the vessel isn't carrying blue collared Americans.[/B][/quote]
Damn right.

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They need to start arming these ships heavily. Have a a few pirate boats get blown out of the water and this will slow down. Of course I guess that escalates it.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;544168]Cool deal. It's too bad they don't put that stuff in the news, at least the news I come across. It would be good for morale if they posted how many pirates they greased. Ooo Rah squids.[/quote]
Well I live in the tidewater area so when these ships come in to port it gets reported just because they are showing their families and friends at the docks waiting for them.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;544168]Cool deal. It's too bad they don't put that stuff in the news, at least the news I come across. It would be good for morale if they posted how many pirates they greased. Ooo Rah squids.[/quote]
Here is a link about the ship and it was 16 they got not 18.
[url=http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/military_ap_norfolk_Localshipnapsmoresuspectedpirates_20090212]Local ship naps more suspected pirates[/url]

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Sew them into bags and throw the bags overboard.

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Nice work! Great job goes out to the seals that saved this Captains life!

[url=http://hamptonroads.com/2009/04/us-sea-captain-freed-swift-firefight-somali-pirates]U.S. sea captain freed in swift firefight with Somali pirates | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com[/url]

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I'm worried that by killing these three pirates, we have only made it easier for our enemies to recruit new pirates in the future. We've got ot stop pushing our weight around like this and rely more on negotiation and diplomacy. Aaaaaarrrrggggghhhhh Matey!

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[quote=70Chip;545363]I'm worried that by killing these three pirates, we have only made it easier for our enemies to recruit new pirates in the future. We've got ot stop pushing our weight around like this and rely more on negotiation and diplomacy. Aaaaaarrrrggggghhhhh Matey![/quote]

Hopefully we send more special ops teams to take out the pirate training camps as well.

Great work by the Seal team on this one. Awesome stuff. They may not be scared of the US military, but they're dead.

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[quote=70Chip;545363]I'm worried that by killing these three pirates, we have only made it easier for our enemies to recruit new pirates in the future. We've got ot stop pushing our weight around like this and rely more on negotiation and diplomacy. Aaaaaarrrrggggghhhhh Matey![/quote]

Are you kidding? Pushing our weight around. They attacked our US ship and then took the captain hostage. Anything after that was fair game and they lost their life. I'm just impressed with two things. 1. Obama gave them the OK to fire on them if needed. 2. These Seals picked these guys off in heavy seas with 3 shots fired and all 3 hit there mark.

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[quote=70Chip;545363]I'm worried that by killing these three pirates, we have only made it easier for our enemies to recruit new pirates in the future. We've got ot stop pushing our weight around like this and rely more on negotiation and diplomacy. Aaaaaarrrrggggghhhhh Matey![/quote]

I'm not sure if you're kidding here or not, but if you're not.. really?!

I would think it would be MUCH more difficult to recruit more pirates. These aren't Islamic extremists who don't care whether they live or die, these are assholes who want to take your money and go home and spend it in full health.

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[quote=firstdown;545373]Are you kidding? Pushing our weight around. They attacked our US ship and then took the captain hostage. Anything after that was fair game and they lost their life. I'm just impressed with two things. 1. Obama gave them the OK to fire on them if needed.[B][I] 2. These Seals picked these guys off in heavy seas with 3 shots fired and all 3 hit there mark.[/I][/B][/quote]

Sounds like a movie doesn't it? I thought it was so freaking awesome.

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now that they captured one of the thugs, what do they do with him? and don't say execute him, because that's not how the U.S rolls

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[quote=dmek25;545384]now that they captured one of the thugs, what do they do with him? and don't say execute him, because that's not how the U.S rolls[/quote]
Whats that place Obama wants to close down?

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too late, that only covers people that violate the patriot act:(

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LOL...of course he's kidding, he is John Bolton wingman after all.

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If I had to guess I would guess they take him to Kenya and let them deal with him.

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[quote=firstdown;545387]Whats that place Obama wants to close down?[/quote]

Are there any British citizens on board? The SAS would properly deal with the "not yet dead."

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And they're back

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090414/ap_on_re_af/piracy]Somali pirates hijack 4 ships, take 60 hostages - Yahoo! News[/url]

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[quote=dmek25;545384]now that they captured one of the thugs, what do they do with him? and don't say execute him, because that's not how the U.S rolls[/quote]

Actually that IS how some of the US rolls.

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[quote=SmootSmack;545566]And they're back

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090414/ap_on_re_af/piracy]Somali pirates hijack 4 ships, take 60 hostages - Yahoo! News[/url][/quote]

yeah, but now they are picking slightly different targets:

[quote]The latest seizures were the Lebanese-owned cargo ship MV Sea Horse, the Greek-managed bulk carrier MV Irene E.M. and two Egyptian fishing boats[/quote]
One was primarily a Filipino crew, and I think they had been paying previously.

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I have a very hard time believing they're avoiding US owned ships. Better have that Canadian flag ready folks.

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Why would you have a hard time believing that. These guys are profiteers, if Filipino crews pay, and American crews fight/shoot, well which group would you go after? (not saying your a pirate at all Saden ;))

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If the pirates only go after non-U.S. ships it will make the rest of the world hate us even more. We need to do our fair share in terms of being attacked by these pirates. Especially since it is our oppressive capitalist system that has made Somalia so poor and forced these young people to resort to such measures in order to feed their families.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;545579]Why would you have a hard time believing that. These guys are profiteers, if Filipino crews pay, and American crews fight/shoot, well which group would you go after? (not saying your a pirate at all Saden ;))[/quote]


As a reformed pirate I can tell you that these guys don't care, they're equal opportunity pirates. If a ship is armed and ready to defend itself I am sure that will discourage them from boarding but keep in mind that preventing them from boarding doesn't prevent them from making use of those lovely RPGs, presumably a gift from mom, they're wielding. These are poor and idle men/boys with nothing to lose, a very dangerous combination. Again, if I am American ship I wouldn't feel secure and I certainly wouldn't announce my Americanness.

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[quote=FRPLG;545569]Actually that IS how some of the US rolls.[/quote]
seems like the only state that really executes anyone is Texas. and especially not a political prisoner