6 WEEKS AGO: Trade Ramsey, Bench/trade Gardner
 

I got a LOT of flak early in the preseason for advocating a trade of Ramsey for a quality DL. I said trade him WHILE HE STILL HAS SOME VALUE. It is certainly too late now. He stunk it up consistently in the preseason, and continues to stink it up.

All the same holds true for Gardner, except he may have to be held onto for emergency backup. That is all he has ever been worth.

Don't sweat Portis - this was not even close to a typical performance for him. It was for the other two. Gibbs will get this straightened out. As I said on this board many times, Gardner will be on the bench by week 4. And I really believe Hasselbeck has to be promoted to #2 QB behind Brunell - possibly even get a shot at #1 now.

I agree Hogskin. Hasselback is a firecracker of a QB. Tim has something that Trent had when he played for the Skins, TENACITY!!! That is something you do not learn, it's what defines Ryan Leaf from Peyton Manning or Drew Bledsoe from Tom Brady.

Brunell had it once, but looks to have lost that spark in the twi of his career. Tenacity is the one thing Tim has that will enable him to propel this passing game in the latter stages of this season. Ramsey, although a talent still has not fully recovered from the mental punishment he endured last season. I don't know if he will ever recover....?

Gibbs will absolutely look for a QB come this off season. I'm thinking he will look to a proven vet, like in prev seasons. A player who has ridden the bench, a stud in the making. Look to his track record & you'll see he has created a system for his QB, not created a QB for a system. He will fix this problem, but I'm not sure it's going to be this season...?

I know I'm saying this early, but I know the skins well enough to know that this is something the other clubs are going to exploit, & exploit BIG!

Gibbs is not a huge experiementor, but this is a new era of football & he needs to jump start this team fast. There's some talent here that can help us win, but we need to play to their strengths. Players I'm naming are... Cole finding the zone breakdowns, Mccants jumping for passes, Portis on the cutbacks, anybody at TE blocking, the 'D' (thank you Greg Williams), & above all Joe Gibbs!

Hogskin, I remember you suggesting we trade Ramsey last year and I agreed 100%. I didn't see it then and I don't see it now what everybody including Coach Gibbs sees in this erratic player. It will be very difficult to get him or Gardner traded on the off season. When teams look at their numbers they will pass on these damaged goods. The sad thing about Ramsey is he's talented but not focused. He hasn't focused on the fundamentals as a QB in the NFL. It's time to move Hasselbeck up to 2#. The man plays with passion and he has better footwork than both of them combined. Look to see him promoted. The real thing that ticks me off is we always seem to go comatose before playing Dallas. Get McCants off of the active list. Get McCants off of the active list. Get McCants..... Find somebody else to put on the inactive list.

What the hell is wrong with Ramsey and his fascination with fumbling the ball? The Center always seems to make a mistake when Ramsey is in the game. Man, Ramsey is a head case. For all of you who said how smart Ramsey was last year should be reminded that no QB in the league for 2 years makes the kind of mistakes he made yesterday. He should have been working on his techinque in training camp rather than complaining about not being the starting QB. Ramsey's a real loser.

You have to consider the circumstances by which Ramsey entered the game. We were down 13 points, and the passing game had not really done anything all day. He comes in and was expected to air it out in the Meadowlands. I expected it and I'm sure the rest of you guys expected it (as did the Giants). His mistakes were not because a lack of talent; they were from a lack of game experience in an NFL system. They can be fixed, and I believe that with experience, Gibbs as the coach, and Brunell as the mentor, they will be.

[QUOTE=SUNRA]What the hell is wrong with Ramsey and his fascination with fumbling the ball? The Center always seems to make a mistake when Ramsey is in the game. Man, Ramsey is a head case. For all of you who said how smart Ramsey was last year should be reminded that no QB in the league for 2 years makes the kind of mistakes he made yesterday. He should have been working on his techinque in training camp rather than complaining about not being the starting QB. Ramsey's a real loser.[/QUOTE]

Amen Sunra! Although loser is a bit to strong.
Ramsey is still playing like a rookie. He has not developed one bit, he has regressed.
I never understood how some Ramsey fan's were calling him the next Bret Farve, future pro bowl, awesome player, etc. etc.
He has had four or five great games, that is it! He has also had just as many or more bad games. His great games were against some weak defenses. Colts (his first win), Jets, etc.
When he plays the big boys he wilts. I think it is great to root for your favorite players. But when Hasselback is brought into the conversation Ramsey fans talk like Ramsey is head and shoulders above Hasselback. They are both inexperienced unproven players. Ramsey is not a sure thing!

This is our team, Ramsey is going to be our qb of the future and we're not going to be out looking for a qb this offseason. Somebody needs to get Chris Samuels head out of his ass, I only saw the last few minutes of the game, but Samuels was just standing around on the last play of the game and then gave a token effort after his guy beat Portis for the game ending sack.

It's week 2, no need to panic as of yet. And as I read various posts I see a lot of panicking. Brunell is the guy so let's stop all this talk about Gibbs going to get a qb in the offseason. If Gibbs can win with Mark Rypien, then he can win with Mark Brunell. This shouldn't even be a topic of discussion, you don't give a guy $8 million to sign and then go out the next season to find someone else.

It was an awful game, you give the ball away 7 times and you deserve to lose. And yet we still had a chance late in the game. How about we let the season play out and see how the team develops. Gibbs wasn't going to come back in and hit the ground running, it's a process. He's a smart guy, he'll figure it out.

[QUOTE=memphisskin]This is our team, Ramsey is going to be our qb of the future and we're not going to be out looking for a qb this offseason. Somebody needs to get Chris Samuels head out of his ass, I only saw the last few minutes of the game, but Samuels was just standing around on the last play of the game and then gave a token effort after his guy beat Portis for the game ending sack.

It's week 2, no need to panic as of yet. And as I read various posts I see a lot of panicking. Brunell is the guy so let's stop all this talk about Gibbs going to get a qb in the offseason. If Gibbs can win with Mark Rypien, then he can win with Mark Brunell. This shouldn't even be a topic of discussion, you don't give a guy $8 million to sign and then go out the next season to find someone else.

It was an awful game, you give the ball away 7 times and you deserve to lose. And yet we still had a chance late in the game. How about we let the season play out and see how the team develops. Gibbs wasn't going to come back in and hit the ground running, it's a process. He's a smart guy, he'll figure it out.[/QUOTE]
Finally, a voice of reason.

Guys, the sky is not falling despite what happened yesterday.

I'll make a few 'bold' predictions:

-Ramsey is not going to be traded. He has too much talent and it's just ridiculous to give up on a 3rd year QB so quickly.

-Hasselbeck is not the answer and he will not see any playing time this season unless we have another body bag game. I'll never understand the fascination with TH who is a marginal NFL player at best.

-Gardner isn't going anywhere either, this year at least. His contract is up after this season so unless he gets his butt in gear he'll be gone. He had some drops but so did nearly everyone yesterday.

My final point is this, we've got to give this thing time guys. It's not going to happen overnight. If you expected Gibbs to swoop in and instantly turn the Skins in to winners then your expectations were very unreasonable.

We have a new coaching staff, new systems on both sides of the ball and a lot of roster turnover. Basically the same old story with this team. Fact is we have to be patient. Rome wasn't built in a day, and the Redskins won't be winners overnight either.

At least you are consistent matty.

I don't see how the skins could trade PR even if they wanted to. Right now he is not a very good NFL QB. Sure he has a strong arm but so does Jeff George. It takes more than a strong arm to make it in the NFL. I hope for the teams sake PR and/or MB find a way to get it done or else it will be another long season.

Matty what makes Ramsey so talented? Give Tim a chance Rypien was a marginal NFL player too. If TH makes plays give him a chance Ramsey has had plenty of chances we dont have Ramsey is our QB of the future etched in stone. This is the NFL and I think TH if given time with coach Gibbs could be an NFL QB. Ramsey does not have unlimited chances thats how the NFL works you get your chance and if you throw 3INTS in the 4th quarter in the redzone you dont get many more. We dont have time to baby PR.

I think you guys are taking PR's ability for granted. No, he hasn't torched the world, but he has only started ~15 games. I can guarantee that teams like SD, Dallas, Miami, SF, and others would kill to have PR on their team. He has the ability and the desire to be a better QB in this league. Give him time and a chance.

LOL this board is utterly ridiculous today

Let me see if I have this straight, Ramsey is garbage. Even though he's a 3rd year QB who's a bright guy with a strong arm, he clearly can't win in this league (why Gibbs doesn't know this is beyond me).

Let's forget the fact he was rushed in to starting as a rookie and played in a flawed system with not much of a running game or protection.

I can't believe he hasn't picked up Gibbs' system already, a system that Joe Theismann admits took him [u]an entire season[/u] before he felt comfortable. Let's also overlook the fact that Mark Brunell, an 11 year vet, is also struggling in picking up the system. Ramsey is clearly not going to ever amount to anything. He's had his chance, we should move on, right? I mean c'mon, he's had 16 starts, that's enough, time to hand it over to third string Tim Hasselbeck who at this time last year was sitting at home like us. We should just bench Brunell now, trade Ramsey and start TH. I really don't know what Gibbs is thinking.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]
.........
-Hasselbeck is not the answer and he will not see any playing time this season unless we have another body bag game. I'll never understand the fascination with TH who is a marginal NFL player at best.

-.[/QUOTE]

The same thing can be said about Ramsey, what is the fascination with Ramsey?
I am not sure I understand the obsession with Ramsey. Ramsey has had 4 or 5 really good games. That is it. Not an entire year or even half a year.
Ramsey is not a sure thing, he has flashed some great potential in between some really awful playing. In fact his playing ability has regressed since his great play from the first four games of last year.
Don't confuse potential with confirmed ability. As of today (not the past) Ramsey and TH are on the same level... they are both developing players whose weakness' overshadow their strengths.
I seem to remember Gibbs praising TH during the preseason. I would not rule out TH this year.

The Giants have a new head coach, 2 new QBs, a new defensive line ( except Strahan),a new offensive line, 2 new CB's and they still beat us. I think that's a new system with new problems. But we didn't lose because of new players or a new system. We lost because of 3 INTS in the 2 half of this game. The Giants offense scored only 10 points. We had 20 first downs. That's a good system wouldn't you say? Afterall, Brunelll did move us down the field on the most successful drive this year. Believe me the offense understands what Gibbs system. I said it once, I'll say it again, there is no consistent execution by our starters. A drop, a catch, a completion , an interception is not going to get it done in anybody's system.

What happeneded in that 3rd and 4th quarter will go down in my mind as the most embarrassing performance for a 3 year future "franchise player" I've seen. It was horrendous, even sickening. No more excuses for Ramsey about his lack of NFL experience. He should have gone to NFL Europe over the summer. He's had enough time to know to throw an incompletion rather than a interception.

And what exactly has Hasselbeck done to prove he should be ahead of Ramsey on the depth chart??

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]LOL this board is utterly ridiculous today

Let me see if I have this straight, Ramsey is garbage. Even though he's a 3rd year QB who's a bright guy with a strong arm, he clearly can't win in this league (why Gibbs doesn't know this is beyond me).

Let's forget the fact he was rushed in to starting as a rookie and played in a flawed system with not much of a running game or protection.

I can't believe he hasn't picked up Gibbs' system already, a system that Joe Theismann admits took him [u]an entire season[/u] before he felt comfortable. Let's also overlook the fact that Mark Brunell, an 11 year vet, is also struggling in picking up the system. Ramsey is clearly not going to ever amount to anything. He's had his chance, we should move on, right? I mean c'mon, he's had 16 starts, that's enough, time to hand it over to third string Tim Hasselbeck who at this time last year was sitting at home like us. We should just bench Brunell now, trade Ramsey and start TH. I really don't know what Gibbs is thinking.[/QUOTE]

Even Gibbs admitted that mistakes were made with coaching. After Ramsey's 2 INT, Hasselbeck should have been given the chance to win that game. The reason Matty you find it so difficult to let go of Ramsey is because he shows flashes of potential. But like someone mentioned, so did Jeff George. Gibbs will be first to bench Ramsey and trade him. Doug Williams won the Superbowl and was cut the next year. What do you think will happen to Ramsey if he loses like this season?

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]And what exactly has Hasselbeck done to prove he should be ahead of Ramsey on the depth chart??[/QUOTE]

Nothing , but I never claimed that he deserved anything but a chance. I never said TH was the next Bret Farv or the next great QB. I think Ramsey has received the benefit of the doubt. Even despite his terrible game yesterday, there are many that think he is the next great QB. I don't get it. I am not giving up on Ramsey like some folks. But it is time to put Ramsey in a new light: a developing QB who is still not very good.

Matty,

First, I never said Ramsey was garbage. What I have said since the offseason is:

- He has some serious problems that he needs to correct. He is VERY slow in his thought processes AND has a very slow release. So when he finally decides where to throw it, it takes too long to release. His footwork is very bad - needs work.

- We should trade him for a top OL or DL and work with Hasselbeck, who has many fewer problems. If we don't we risk him losing all of his trade value.

NOW, we went minicamps AND preseason, and he showed ABSOLUTELY no progress on ANY of his faults. He still has a terrific arm and LOTS of problems, including poor decision-making. But now, everyone else knows what we know, so his value is extremely low.

AND QB of the FUTURE??? That would have been true a while back, but since he has shown no ability (or maybe willingness?) to improve on his glaring weaknesses, I can not imagine anyone still seeing him in that role. THe guys that make it in this league are the guys that LEARN and IMPROVE. He is still at the exact level he was at when he was drafted. Let someone else take on this unlikely project.

LASTLY, the problems I am talking about have nothing to do with learning Gibbs' system. These are basic flaws in his technique that no system can hide.

I have no problem saying Ramsey stunk yesterday, that's not the issue. I just don't see Hasselbeck as the answer, at all.

The answer is we need to give this offense time to come together. You can't cut and bench everyone after a loss, or the continuity we need to build is never going to come around.

c'mon guys... let's not get down on the offense yet. Yes Ramsey struggled, but you have to realise that he has not been taking regular number of snaps and not been practising with the first team. He was put in a very dicey situation.
Guys you have to realise that Ramsey is playing for a new coach, who has a different offensive strategy that Ol' Ball Coach. He just has 2 years of experience under him. You have to be a little patient with him, WHICH is hard to do considering that he threw 2 interceptions in the red zone and killed our drive. I am frustateed with his play but I trust the coaching staff on this one.
The problem I have is why the OL can't seem to find holes. They find holes in one drive and after that it seems as if the defense figures them out and portis struggles to get yards. Our first drive was perfect, but after that all of a sudden the NY D was able to get some pressure on Brunell and he was hurried and forced on a lot of throws.
Also Brunell is WAY inaccurate on long throws. He tried a couple to Coles but was way off the mark. The problem is a lot of teams are gonna DARE Brunell to throw long and try and cut his intermediate passes. this is exactly what the giants D did and brunell was unable to make use of the oppurtunity. QB spot id gonna be a really worry this year!!!

Gentlemen,

As frustrating as yesterday's game was, let's remember that we had a chance to beat the Giants late in the game after 7 SEVEN turnovers. We need level headed individuals in charge of the skins, not like last year, where we were totally reactionary. With Spurrier last year, we would have gone to Hasselbeck in the third quarter, traded Portis by the fourth, and hung Friedman by the highest pole. Both Gardner and Coles had drops, so Spurrier would have them on the waiver wire.

Last year if we had given up seven turnovers, the opposition would have spotted 50 points on us.....however under the Gibbs we were one score away from winning.

Let's not fold our tent, and become reactionary, Let THE MAN do his job, and let's get ready for the Cowgirsl.

My posts are not about losing yesterday, and CERTAINLY not about getting "down" on the offense. They are about TWO players with serious faults that need to be off the field when our otherwise excellent offense is ON the field.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]And what exactly has Hasselbeck done to prove he should be ahead of Ramsey on the depth chart??[/QUOTE]
1.More NFL experience that Ramsey. (Throws the ball away)
2. Hasselbeck's first game as a Redskin was a victory over the Dolphins. He replaced Ramsey against a hostile Miami crowd and won.
3. Gibbs asked the question in training camp, who's that guy making those passes? He then said, we may have 3 QB's fighting for 1# spot.
4. Better footwork. Simply quicker than both Brunell and Ramsey.
5.Plays with passion. Unlike Ramsey, who looks like he's not enjoying his opportunity that few people have the priviledge to enjoy.
6. Can motivate this team to execute with confidence out of the huddle.

[QUOTE=Hogskin]Matty,

First, I never said Ramsey was garbage. What I have said since the offseason is:

- He has some serious problems that he needs to correct. He is VERY slow in his thought processes AND has a very slow release. So when he finally decides where to throw it, it takes too long to release. His footwork is very bad - needs work.

- We should trade him for a top OL or DL and work with Hasselbeck, who has many fewer problems. If we don't we risk him losing all of his trade value.

NOW, we went minicamps AND preseason, and he showed ABSOLUTELY no progress on ANY of his faults. He still has a terrific arm and LOTS of problems, including poor decision-making. But now, everyone else knows what we know, so his value is extremely low.

AND QB of the FUTURE??? That would have been true a while back, but since he has shown no ability (or maybe willingness?) to improve on his glaring weaknesses, I can not imagine anyone still seeing him in that role. THe guys that make it in this league are the guys that LEARN and IMPROVE. He is still at the exact level he was at when he was drafted. Let someone else take on this unlikely project.[/QUOTE]

To add to Hogskins points... Ramsey had these same problems in college. He was sacked a ton at Tulane. Yes his line at Tulane sucked and last year his line sucked, but he still keeps hagging onto the ball to long. Why has he not learned? Show some ability to adapt. Ramsey really reminds me alot of Drew Bledsoe. Another QB with all the tools but cannot change his style of play. Holds on to the ball to long and takes a ton of sacks. Those sacks leads to turnovers or loss of precious field position.

Ramsey is still raw guys. imagine if your first time coach in the NFL was a first time coach in the NFL as bad as Spurrier! he's talented, and smart, just RAW. he has the ability, its just a matter of time.

Gardner doesnt have the ability. hes had the time to prove it, and its not something that can be coached out. obviously the Skins thought so too, cuz they DID try to trade him. we're stuck with him for now, but nothing says we gotta start him. i doubt we will soon.

[QUOTE=Hogskin]Matty,

First, I never said Ramsey was garbage. What I have said since the offseason is:

- He has some serious problems that he needs to correct. He is VERY slow in his thought processes AND has a very slow release. So when he finally decides where to throw it, it takes too long to release. His footwork is very bad - needs work.

- We should trade him for a top OL or DL and work with Hasselbeck, who has many fewer problems. If we don't we risk him losing all of his trade value.

NOW, we went minicamps AND preseason, and he showed ABSOLUTELY no progress on ANY of his faults. He still has a terrific arm and LOTS of problems, including poor decision-making. But now, everyone else knows what we know, so his value is extremely low.

AND QB of the FUTURE??? That would have been true a while back, but since he has shown no ability (or maybe willingness?) to improve on his glaring weaknesses, I can not imagine anyone still seeing him in that role. THe guys that make it in this league are the guys that LEARN and IMPROVE. He is still at the exact level he was at when he was drafted. Let someone else take on this unlikely project.[/QUOTE]
John, I expected you to have been a bit more of a rationale thinker, I'm kinda surprised.

Answer me this, we have a new offense that even an 11 year vet is stuggling to pick up. We have an offense that Joe Theismann said took him a year to figure out. So we should just trade Ramsey and move on, you don't think that's jumping the gun a bit?

Let's forget about Ramsey's first two seasons for a moment, because in hindsight they were worthless to his development. He was playing in a joke of an offense and he developed some bad habits, habits that aren't going to be corrected in 4 weeks of training camp.

To me, Ramsey is a rookie this season for all purposes.

I'm not saying he's the QB of the future, but if I had to bet I'd put my money on him over Hasselbeck every time.

I agree 100%, Sunra. I think Gibbs had no choice in the preseason other than to keep Brunell and Ramsey 1/2 in one order or the other. Any other move would have caused problems with the fans, media, and players. His comments showed that he was surprised by TH and had a good feeling about him. I think now (or very soon), we will see some changes start to occur. TH will get an opportunity sometime soon to show if his preseason (and last season) performances were for real or a fluke.

Interesting Point, Sunra
 

It got me to thinking whether the rest of the offense still has any faith in Ramsey, despite what they might say publicly.

They, like a lot of us, have got to be questioning whether he will ever develop into a starting quarterback. Let's not forget, this is not his first season by any means.

What is most troubling is that he seems to be getting worse, not better. Or, at best, he is treading water instead of improving.

I agree with the poster that questioned some of his basic techniques and he certainly hasn't shown me that he has the quick thought processes that a QB needs to make split-second decisions. Could be that he just doesn't have the smarts to play this position in the NFL as a starter, despite what may be good physical talents. If the mental part isn't there, no amount of coaching will change that.

Matty,

I just saw your last post. My extreme disappointment that you have seen in this thread, and that you responded to, are not about a new system. They are about Ramsey's terrible fundamentals - footwork, slow release, slow decision-making. These have been constants since I first saw him. In 2 seasons PLUS a Gibbs training camp, if he can show NO improvement in any of his fundamentals, I do not see it as irrational to begin to give up on him. Sorry, I don't like to dis a promising Redskin, but for me, he has shown no ability to improve. If it were "system" issues, I would not feel this way.

MattyK72
I am not saying give up on Ramsey. I just don't like the talk of how great he will be and that everybody else sucks. I don't even think TH is the answer either but don't put him down and call Ramsey better. They both are about even at this point. Ramsey is not the golden boy anymore. He is a veteran that has fallen behind in his development. But I still thinks Ramsey is serviceable.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I have no problem saying Ramsey stunk yesterday, that's not the issue. I just don't see Hasselbeck as the answer, at all.

The answer is we need to give this offense time to come together. You can't cut and bench everyone after a loss, or the continuity we need to build is never going to come around.[/QUOTE]

Ramsey has stunk the majority of his time he's been a Redskin. Ramsey has not progressed since last year. In fact, he has digressed. New system, same poor judgement and exectuion. The excuses can not out weight the obvious facts. You thought Ramsey was going to grow into a great player like Tom Brady, Joey Harrington or Carson Palmer. Maybe on another team, but Ramsey is not the future. He's more like history. He'll demand to be traded after this season and that's all it takes.

[QUOTE=Defensewins]MattyK72
I am not saying give up on Ramsey. I just don't like the talk of how great he will be and that everybody else sucks. I don't even think TH is the answer either but don't put him down and call Ramsey better. They both are about even at this point. Ramsey is not the golden boy anymore. He is a veteran that has fallen behind in his development. But I still thinks Ramsey is serviceable.[/QUOTE]


Servicable for holding the ball on field goal conversions.

[QUOTE=Defensewins]MattyK72
I am not saying give up on Ramsey. I just don't like the talk of how great he will be and that everybody else sucks. I don't even think TH is the answer either but don't put him down and call Ramsey better. They both are about even at this point. Ramsey is not the golden boy anymore. He is a veteran that has fallen behind in his development. But I still thinks Ramsey is serviceable.[/QUOTE]
I don't think anybody is praising Ramsey and his greatness right now, if that's what you thought of my opinion that wasn't my intention. I just think that saying he's never going to amount to anything is a little premature, and saying we need to trade him is jumping the gun in my opinion.

He does have some problems, but they can be corrected. It's going to take some time, maybe more time that some people would like here but that's the way it is.

The entire offense is going to take some time. Gibbs isn't a miracle worker.

"2. Hasselbeck's first game as a Redskin was a victory over the Dolphins. He replaced Ramsey against a hostile Miami crowd and won."

BS...how quicky you forget - Ricky Williams ran riot over us in the second half, and our D couldn't hold Miami off - we lost that game. (our only wins last year came against Jets/Falcons/Pats/Seahawks/Giants)

Hasselback is a decent back-up QB, but in advocating promoting him to starter, what about the time he had a QB rating of 0.0 against Dallas last year with 4 INTs? Or a miserable 2 INT outing against the Panthers this pre-season? Every QB has stunk up the joint at some point or another - if Brunell's healthy, we go with him. Else we go with Ramsey and play ball control (a huge ask for this offense).

If we get into a hole like we did yesterday, I don't think Hasselback would've been any more effective than Ramsey getting us back into the game.

We can start Hasselbeck and see what he is able to do, or I think it is likely we will continue to struggle on offense.

We need to experiment in order to find out more about what Hasselbeck brings to the table. We want to be objective about this and not go on presumptions and our likes and dislikes about players. Or do we think we know everything already about everyone?

I think Gibbs wanted to hold onto Ramsey because he did and perhaps still does see his potential. In retrospect, it would have been great to let Ramsey leave like he apparently wanted to and to have traded him to Miami where he might have had a better chance to develop. His problems with decision making go beyond just learning a new system. It could be that he will take longer to develop than the Redskins can afford to wait. It may be that he will not ever develop into a top flight quarterback. However, it was probably the best decision at the time, as Gibbs wanted a promising player to develop and a veteran who could start now.

I think that Gibbs does have to let Ramsey and Brunell demonstrate on the field what they are able to do, and then if we continue to struggle, fans will start to create a climate where Hasselbeck will be welcomed and not criticized and judged by fans, and can come in and not be seen as someone who is prematurely replacing one of their favorites.

The regular season isn't the time for experimenting at QB.

Before you know it we'll have a Spurrier-like rotation at QB, and we all know how well that went.

Brunell is the starter, Ramsey is the backup.

I think those advocating trades at this point of the season are falling into the same trap that the skins have for the last so many years - by not keeping your roster largely intact year after year, it takes longer to become a team.

Sure Brunell and Ramsey made some horrible mistakes, but by trading Ramsey, next year, you bring in another QB who will take a while to learn the system, leaving us with mediocrity in the mean time.

We're not expected to be a great team this year. Let Brunell & Ramsey and Gardener make all the mistakes now, but by keeping our offensive roster entirely intact, next year, we WILL be a smooth offense.

TH first appearance was against Dallas. Ramsey kept getting sacked and then TH comes in and we start moving the ball. Then Ramsey comes back and hits Jacobs for a TD. All TH did was throw the ball to our receivers they were sending 8 people on the blitz. Just throw the damn ball!!!! He learned that from TH in that game. He still hold s the ball too long. Those picks were just stupid as hell..

Does anyone see Priest Holmes slow down when trying to score on the goal line?
Portis did every time, He's doing too much dancing behind the line