Michael Oher remains the leader for the Redskins
 

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Ugh, Mel Kiper sounds like Mike Florio insisting that the Redskins will take Mark Sanchez.

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I've heard M. Oher on Sirius several times now. He really comes across well. I am definitely hoping that we get him at 13

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I wouldn't mind him, but I heard he's really dumb which can be a problem learning an NFL playbook where to block etc

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[quote=Nflnick11;545681]I wouldn't mind him, but I heard he's really dumb which can be a problem learning an NFL playbook where to block etc[/quote]

But when you listen to him speak and answer questions(on the radio), he comes off no worse than any other draft candidate, and I would say he comes off impressive - but that is i am sure a bias cuz i'ld like to see him on our team. In fact I heard our DB Tryon on the Redskins show on comcast and he sounded far worse then any interview i've heard Oher give.

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[quote=Nflnick11;545681]I wouldn't mind him, but I heard he's really dumb which can be a problem learning an NFL playbook where to block etc[/quote]

Let him play RT for awhile and slowly learn. Then when Samuels retires Oher can slide over to the left. Maybe get him a playbook tutor as well.

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[quote=Lotus;545694]Let him play RT for awhile and slowly learn. Then when Samuels retires Oher can slide over to the left. Maybe get him a playbook tutor as well.[/quote]

Word...Oher or Rey would make the draft for me. On the other hand if we find a way to trade down and get one of these guys or Britton later in the 1st and a 2nd rounder on the way I'd be ecstatic. Time for Vinny to earn his keep.

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[quote=The Goat;545695]Word...Oher or Rey would make the draft for me. On the other hand if we find a way to trade down and get one of these guys or Britton later in the 1st and a 2nd rounder on the way I'd be ecstatic. Time for Vinny to earn his keep.[/quote]

Word back to ya.

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[quote=Nflnick11;545681]I wouldn't mind him, but I heard he's really dumb which can be a problem learning an NFL playbook where to block etc[/quote]

Oher isn't dumb. He had a severely stunted learning curve because he was abandoned as a child and left to basically fend for himself, but he flourished once some good people started looking after him.

He isn't a genius by any means and has a lifetime of catching up to do, but he isn't "dumb."

Oher has trouble with focusing his intensity and isn't very instinctual yet, but many believe he is still growing as a player and since he works really hard his ceiling could be pretty high.

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Oher at #13. Perfect. It needs to happen. You can't overstate how important the O Line is, and a potential LT is a high 1st rounder.
But how about this, if Duke Robinson is sitting there in the middle of the second round, I think he is worth trading up for. Somewhere around #50, before Philly and Dallas, I'd HATE it if he wound up playing for either! Robinson is 1st round talent, a bad mf, and having him and Oher on the right side would instantly make our running game somewhat nasty. We need to get that young, serious OL talent in there while Joe Bugel is still here to teach them. Heck, trade up for Alex Mack, too, for all I care.

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[quote=wilsowilso;545713]Oher isn't dumb. He had a severely stunted learning curve because he was abandoned as a child and left to basically fend for himself, but he flourished once some good people started looking after him.

He isn't a genius by any means and has a lifetime of catching up to do, but he isn't "dumb."

Oher has trouble with focusing his intensity and isn't very instinctual yet, but many believe he is still growing as a player and since he works really hard his ceiling could be pretty high.[/quote]Thanks for the clarification. I still prefer to trade down for an additional first day pick...

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Oher didn't allow a sack all season at LT in the [B]SEC[/B]. That is really all I need to know about him. Sign him up.

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[quote=Larry Michael is Satan;545742]Oher didn't allow a sack all season at LT in the [B]SEC[/B]. That is really all I need to know about him. Sign him up.[/quote]Positive reinforcement. Thanks LMiS. I'd be cool with him and the best LB or DE in the 3rd round.

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Good news, but this doesn't change the FO's opinions.. I just really hope that Redskins will draft Oher (my #1 choice) or other T such as A. Smith or whoever else..

As for trading up for Duke Robinson- I would not mind that at all, but if we trade up to 2nd round, I would prefer us to draft Mack (if he somehow dropped down) or Unger.. Duke is definitely good player, no questions; it still doesn't stop the fact that we signed Dockery and we have Rhinehart and David Clark (who Vinny appears is in love with) waiting in the wing.. Therefore, Duke probably would be a "waste" pick when we already have other pressing needs..

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;545687]But when you listen to him speak and answer questions(on the radio), he comes off no worse than any other draft candidate, and I would say he comes off impressive - but that is i am sure a bias cuz i'ld like to see him on our team. In fact I heard our DB Tryon on the Redskins show on comcast and he sounded far worse then any interview i've heard Oher give.[/quote]

Just because he can talk fluently doesn't mean that he's not dumb ...I went to school with people who could talk like a lawyer but pronounce words in a book like the kid from billy Madison (tata TODAY JUNIOR!!)
And I agree that tryon does talk like he's got a stutter or something

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[quote=GridIron26;545751]Good news, but this doesn't change the FO's opinions.. I just really hope that Redskins will draft Oher (my #1 choice) or other T such as A. Smith or whoever else..

As for trading up for Duke Robinson- I would not mind that at all, but if we trade up to 2nd round, I would prefer us to draft Mack (if he somehow dropped down) or Unger.. Duke is definitely good player, no questions; it still doesn't stop the fact that we signed Dockery and we have Rhinehart and David Clark (who Vinny appears is in love with) waiting in the wing.. Therefore, Duke probably would be a "waste" pick when we already have other pressing needs..[/quote]

Yeah, if Alex Mack slipped to the second, I'd trade up for him too, but most are projecting him to go late 1st rd, we'd probably have to give up next year's #1.
I think Duke is head and shoulders above what we have at RG now, and is projected to be a pro bowl level beast. And probably a mid 2nd rd. How I wish we still had that Jason Taylor pick. If he re-signs with the Fins, it would be swell if they just gave that pick back to us.

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[quote=Larry Michael is Satan;545742]Oher didn't allow a sack all season at LT in the [B]SEC[/B]. That is really all I need to know about him. Sign him up.[/quote]

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, to much SEC love. I mean thats definately a good thing (not allowing a sack), but I take the SEC part with a grain of salt. What I think works for him though being an SEC guy is definitely knowing that his run blocking is top notch.

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[quote=Larry Michael is Satan;545734]Oher at #13. Perfect. It needs to happen. You can't overstate how important the O Line is, and a potential LT is a high 1st rounder.
But how about this, if Duke Robinson is sitting there in the middle of the second round, I think he is worth trading up for. Somewhere around #50, before Philly and Dallas, I'd HATE it if he wound up playing for either! Robinson is 1st round talent, a bad mf, and having him and Oher on the right side would instantly make our running game somewhat nasty. We need to get that young, serious OL talent in there while Joe Bugel is still here to teach them. Heck, trade up for Alex Mack, too, for all I care.[/quote]

What are we trading to move up twice?

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[quote=Larry Michael is Satan;545742]Oher didn't allow a sack all season at LT in the [B]SEC[/B]. That is really all I need to know about him. Sign him up.[/quote]


Mr Oher come on down!!!!!!!! I will puke if we take Sanchez. That would be a major blow to JC. First the Cutler crap then that. Sorry, but you don't draft a QB in the first round to be a backup. Oher is the man I hope!!!!!! IF not him then the next best T available. Shoot ev en a G would make me happy, as long as we finally address our needs only for a change.

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[quote=Nflnick11;545762]Just because he can talk fluently doesn't mean that he's not dumb ...I went to school with people who could talk like a lawyer but pronounce words in a book like the kid from billy Madison (tata TODAY JUNIOR!!)
And I agree that tryon does talk like he's got a stutter or something[/quote]

Problem is, Tryon's game studders in coverage...

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[quote=Nflnick11;545762]Just because he can talk fluently doesn't mean that he's not dumb ...I went to school with people who could talk like a lawyer but pronounce words in a book like the kid from billy Madison (tata TODAY JUNIOR!!)
And I agree that tryon does talk like he's got a stutter or something[/quote]

Ok, but I am talking about his responses to solid questions by Gil Brandt and the other guy. They ask position questions about blocking, his passion, his business sense as it relates to football. And the responses don't sound canned, or rehearsed, but pretty good and thoughtful. I could be wrong, haven't met the kid etc, but we could do a lot worse (Sanchez) than getting this guy.

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[quote=Nflnick11;545762]Just because he can talk fluently doesn't mean that he's not dumb ...I went to school with people who could talk like a lawyer but pronounce words in a book like the kid from billy Madison (tata TODAY JUNIOR!!)
And I agree that tryon does talk like he's got a stutter or something[/quote]


Maybe its just me but I dont see Santana Moss as a public speaker either, but I guarantee he isnt stupid

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;545776]Ok, but I am talking about his responses to solid questions by Gil Brandt and the other guy. They ask position questions about blocking, his passion, his business sense as it relates to football. And the responses don't sound canned, or rehearsed, but pretty good and thoughtful. I could be wrong, haven't met the kid etc, but we could do a lot worse (Sanchez) than getting this guy.[/quote]

True anyone would be better than sanchez

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[quote=Nflnick11;545790]True anyone would be better than sanchez[/quote]


What about Stafford??? LOL!! Kidding but Sanches would be like 3 steps backwards

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I'm not sold on Oher. I think we'd be taking a risk by drafting him at 13. We can trade down in the late teens or early 20's and probably get him. If A. Smith is on the board I take him, given that he's only allowed 2 sacks his whole collegiate career and he has more upside. Smith would learn from one of the best LT's in Samuels about staying in shape, and conditioning your body.

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[quote=vallin21;545847]IIf A. Smith is on the board I take him, given that he's only allowed 2 sacks his whole collegiate career and he has more upside. [/quote]

Maybe so, but Andre Smith has the biggest potential downside of almost anyone projected in the first 15 picks.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;545773]Mr Oher come on down!!!!!!!! [B]I will puke if we take Sanchez. That would be a major blow to JC. [/B]First the Cutler crap then that. Sorry, but you don't draft a QB in the first round to be a backup. Oher is the man I hope!!!!!! IF not him then the next best T available. Shoot ev en a G would make me happy, as long as we finally address our needs only for a change.[/quote]

I hear you. Though I remain skeptical that JC is ultimately the guy, I'd hate to see us take Sanchez -- he certainly won't play, and if Zorn is gone after year two then the next coach is stuck with an inherited QB that he didn't select.

The ONLY way I could see taking Sanchez (and I still wouldn't like it) is if the Redskins truly are done with Campbell and he is traded for a 1st or 2nd round draft pick. Even then, they'd basically have to give Sanchez the starting job and the 2009 season is over before it starts.

So if I'm calling the shots, trade down if possible, or pick up Maualuga or any of the offensive tackles at #13. And above all, you stick with Jason Campbell.

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[quote=wilsowilso;545857]Maybe so, but Andre Smith has the biggest potential downside of almost anyone projected in the first 15 picks.[/quote]

True, but I think it depends on what team takes him. If we take him, I think he'll be influenced by guys like Griff and Samuels, and they won't let him make mistakes. You're right Smith has the biggest bust potential but he also can be the greatest reward player in the right situation, and I think he'd make a great fit for us.

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[quote=vallin21;545870]True, but I think it depends on what team takes him. If we take him, I think he'll be influenced by guys like Griff and Samuels, and they won't let him make mistakes. You're right Smith has the biggest bust potential but he also can be the greatest reward player in the right situation, and I think he'd make a great fit for us.[/quote]

There are guys at Alabama with good work ethics but Smith didn't seem to learn much from them.

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[quote=tryfuhl;545772]What are we trading to move up twice?[/quote]

This year's 3rd and 5th, next year's first, Randel-El, Betts, a plasma tv, and twelve buckets of vanilla ice cream.

No, honestly, I think we should try to move that 3rd rounder up to the second, IF someone like Alex Mack or Duke slid to where we could reasonably pull it off without having to give up too much. We need to figure out a way to get two starters out of this draft.

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I would love for the Skins to take an Oher or Smith but I am preparing myself for Sanchez (grrrrr).

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[quote=Larry Michael is Satan;545878]This year's 3rd and 5th, next year's first, Randel-El, Betts, a plasma tv, and twelve buckets of vanilla ice cream.

No, honestly, I think we should try to move that 3rd rounder up to the second, IF someone like Alex Mack or Duke slid to where we could reasonably pull it off without having to give up too much. We need to figure out a way to get two starters out of this draft.[/quote]

Do you remember when the Danny made Mike Nolan change the defense because he doesn't "like vanilla"? What a horror. Anyhow, we have no vanilla ice cream to trade. :)

The story about the Danny and ice cream can be found in many links, including:
[url=http://larrybrownsports.com/football/daniel-snyder-does-not-like-vanilla-ice-cream-so-says-mike-nolan]Daniel Snyder Does Not Like Vanilla Ice Cream, So Says Mike Nolan | Larry Brown Sports[/url]

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ESPN is reporting that the JAGS are close to signing Holt. I wonder how that will shake things up as far as tackles go in the upcoming draft. JAX signed William "Don't call me Tra" Thomas, which was a good signing in my opinion but could probably use another tackle. I think most of the experts had them picking a WR (maclin) and signing holt would give them some flexibility to use their top pick to address other needs.

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[quote=John Denny;547128]ESPN is reporting that the JAGS are close to signing Holt. I wonder how that will shake things up as far as tackles go in the upcoming draft. JAX signed William "Don't call me Tra" Thomas, which was a good signing in my opinion but could probably use another tackle. I think most of the experts had them picking a WR (maclin) and signing holt would give them some flexibility to use their top pick to address other needs.[/quote]

Excellent question. Don't forget, though, that the Jags have no warm bodies at wideout. They could pick up Holt and still draft a WR.

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[quote=Lotus;547133]Excellent question. Don't forget, though, that the Jags have no warm bodies at wideout. They could pick up Holt and still draft a WR.[/quote]

Ya, with Matt Jones and Reggie Williams deciding to throw their NFL careers away, Jags are left with Troy Williamson and Dennis Northcut as their starting wideouts. Even with the signing of Holt, I look for them to draft another WR as well.

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I won't be pleased if we draft Oher but I don't think we're going to have that option. Now that Buffalo needs a LT, they are taking the 4th one at #11. J. Smith, Monroe and A. Smith will be gone in the 1st 6 picks and Oher will be gone at #11. We're looking at a trade down or Maualuga I'd bet.

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[quote=Larry Michael is Satan;545734]Oher at #13. Perfect. It needs to happen. You can't overstate how important the O Line is, and a potential LT is a high 1st rounder.
But how about this, if Duke Robinson is sitting there in the middle of the second round, I think he is worth trading up for. Somewhere around #50, before Philly and Dallas, I'd HATE it if he wound up playing for either! Robinson is 1st round talent, a bad mf, and having him and Oher on the right side would instantly make our running game somewhat nasty. We need to get that young, serious OL talent in there while Joe Bugel is still here to teach them. Heck, trade up for Alex Mack, too, for all I care.[/quote]

It sounds nice but if we have to trade up what will it require us to give up. You know teams always know how desperate we are when it comes to trades. We always get taken advantage of cause we always itching to make a move.

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[quote=Paintrain;547137]I won't be pleased if we draft Oher but I don't think we're going to have that option. [B]Now that Buffalo needs a LT, they are taking the 4th one at #11. J. Smith, Monroe and A. Smith will be gone in the 1st 6 picks and Oher will be gone at #11. We're looking at a trade down or Maualuga I'd bet.[/B][/quote]

U have got good point, I haven't thought of that.. If it happens, then I probably would try to trade down, but if I couldn't then draft Mack.. C is another position we need to upgrade - NTs are starting to to get bigger and athleticism.. It may would be a reach to draft Mack at that spot, but having Mack in our line will upgrade the O-line.. Which is why I will not think that drafting Mack is a reach.. Beside upgrading our O-line with C, it would be perfect chance for Heyer to show whether if he can be successful this season or not.. I believe Heyer would be successful, he's getting enriched with experiences.. Regardless, I still want us to draft an OT..

And I'm curious to see why you don't like Oher?

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[quote=Lotus;547133]Excellent question. Don't forget, though, that the Jags have no warm bodies at wideout. They could pick up Holt and still draft a WR.[/quote]

The Jags could always draft a WR in the 2nd round (Brandon Tate-NC or Robiskie's kid-Ohio St).
I do like the idea of trading back if Orakpo and the 4 tackles are gone. Then we could pick the best available between OLB, DE, and OL and possibly DB (smoot has been slipping and I wouldn't argue with selecting Malcolm Jenkins). We need at least two guys that can come in and play and I think one from each side of the ball is a good idea. And as far as discussing names, I'm not going to speculate. I'd simply go with the best available but I would trade back if at all possible.

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The [URL="http://www.ourlads.com/2009nflmockdraft.cfm?MockDraftID=6"]mock draft[/URL] of Ourlads Scouting Services has Oher lasting until #16 to San Diego.

They have Washington taking Sanchez.