If Texas Secedes, they won't be "America's Team"
 

Hey, if Texas actually does secede from the US, then the stinkin' Cowboys will no longer be dubbed "America's Team." That might be a favorable side-effect!

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If Texas secdes, I'm moving there. :D

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about a snowball's chance in hell that ever happens.

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^

True, but if any state could succeed on its own, it's Texas.

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The Yankees won the civil war and it wasn't by luck. Ya'herd?

Honestly though, I like the Cowboys rivalry.

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Wow I'm shocked? The richest conservative state in the country isn't happy that their oil buddies aren't running the show in Washington anymore(the same people who put us in this mess) and now they are threatening to secede when they don't like how the new government is trying to fix this awful mess. Good luck with that Texas.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!

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Secession was feasible during the Civil War era when everyone had muskets that could fire an unaccurate bullet once every 4 and half minutes. To think of a state seceding from a country that has one of the most advanced military forces on earth is laughable.

Imagine the magnitude of military might could be wrought upon the lone star state by the federal government if they chose to sucede.

In addition, mere talk of suceding by any state or government official should be grounds for dismissal from office and they should be subject to imprisonment.

If you can go to jail for not paying your taxes and impeached for an oval office BJ, imagine what would happen to you if headed a sucession from one of the most powerful nations on earth?

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^ Dude they have the Texas Rangers and the Texas Ranger's have Chuck Norris, it could easily happen.

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I forgot about Chuck Norris.

I think he said he would run for President of Texas.

What a true patriot.

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I'm I wrong in thinking that this thread no longer meets the Locker Room standards?

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[quote=wilsowilso;546381]Wow I'm shocked? The richest conservative state in the country isn't happy that their oil buddies aren't running the show in Washington anymore(the same people who put us in this mess) and now they are threatening to secede when they don't like how the new government is trying to fix this awful mess. Good luck with that Texas.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!![/quote]I'm with you.

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[quote=saden1;546400]I'm I wrong in thinking that this thread no longer meets the Locker Room standards?[/quote]

Not sure why it was there in the first place

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[quote=SmootSmack;546404]Not sure why it was there in the first place[/quote]


Ah, SS I think Chuck wants it in the Locker Room, maybe we should move it back.

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[quote=Buster;546327]If Texas secdes, I'm moving there. :D[/quote]
Don't go to Houston.........

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The precedent is there, try to secede Texas. Watch what Abraham, i mean Barack, does next.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;546395]Secession was feasible during the Civil War era ...
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Apparently not feasible enough.

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[quote=70Chip;546449]Apparently not feasible enough.[/quote]

LOL...so obvious and so funny. I believe the lesson learned is that once you join the Union you can never leave. The contract is perpetual and permanent.

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[quote=saden1;546455]LOL...so obvious and so funny. I believe the lesson learned is that once you join the Union you can never leave. The contract is perpetual and permanent.[/quote]Kinda like the Mafia.....hmm.

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[quote=gibbsisgod;546459]Kinda like the Mafia.....hmm.[/quote]

Worse than the mafia, at least with the mafia you can join witness protection and go into hiding.

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If we're talking pratically then yeah no chance this ever happens. Or is even attempted. It's just posturing anyways. If we are talking philosophically why can't Texas leave if they want?

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[quote=gibbsisgod;546459]Kinda like the Mafia.....hmm.[/quote]

Or The Hotel California.

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[quote=Buster;546349]^

True, but if any state could [B]succeed[/B] on its own, it's Texas.[/quote]
i guess we wouldn't need a map to find it. just follow the worlds biggest pollution cloud :(

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[quote=FRPLG;546503]If we're talking pratically then yeah no chance this ever happens. Or is even attempted. It's just posturing anyways. If we are talking philosophically why can't Texas leave if they want?[/quote]

A large percentage of Texans wouldn't want to secedes. What is stopping them from seceding from Texas? At this point fragmentation of the entire state is bound. Joining is truly one way, especially after 164 years.

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[quote=Buster;546349]^

True, but if any state could succeed on its own, it's Texas.[/quote]

Out of morbid curiousity, why is that? I think there are other states more suitable personally...like California for instance. But no state is self sustaining enough to be their own country.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;546395]Secession was feasible during the Civil War era when everyone had muskets that could fire an unaccurate bullet once every 4 and half minutes. To think of a state seceding from a country that has one of the most advanced military forces on earth is laughable.

Imagine the magnitude of military might could be wrought upon the lone star state by the federal government if they chose to sucede.

In addition, [B]mere talk of suceding by any state or government official should be grounds for dismissal from office and they should be subject to imprisonment.[/B]
If you can go to jail for not paying your taxes and impeached for an oval office BJ, imagine what would happen to you if headed a sucession from one of the most powerful nations on earth?[/quote]

Funny thing is, King George III said the same thing about Jefferson, Washington, and Franklin.

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[quote=FRPLG;546503]If we're talking pratically then yeah no chance this ever happens. Or is even attempted. It's just posturing anyways. If we are talking philosophically why can't Texas leave if they want?[/quote]

Secession at its core is really just about the freedom of disassociation. In the same way a battered wife has every right to dissolve the relationship with her abusive husband, states should have the right to dissolve their relationship with the federal government.

If one person in a relationship tries to leave but the other forcibly makes them stay, what sort of relationship is that, really?

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[quote=Beemnseven;546570]Secession at its core is really just about the freedom of disassociation. In the same way a battered wife has every right to dissolve the relationship with her abusive husband, states should have the right to dissolve their relationship with the federal government.

If one person in a relationship tries to leave but the other forcibly makes them stay, what sort of relationship is that, really?[/quote]

Put a dirty white wifebeater on Uncle Sam then because there would be no way any state is leaving this union peacefully.


Blood was shed to get in, and blood will be shed to get out. Blood In, Blood Out, just like my favorite Benjamin Bratt movie.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;546595]Put a dirty white wifebeater on Uncle Sam then because there would be no way any state is leaving this union peacefully.


[B]Blood was shed to get in[/B], and blood will be shed to get out. Blood In, Blood Out, just like my favorite Benjamin Bratt movie.[/quote]

Well, not exactly. Blood was shed to get free of England certainly, but the Founders looked at their states as their own countries. They didn't shed blood to swear allegiance to a massive leviathan of a federal government with no way out. In their eyes, the United States of America was plural, not singular. You're right about the second part though -- Lincoln made it clear that if anyone tried to leave, he'd send the army in to kill those who tried.

It's funny how Lincoln is held up as some sort of god because of this.

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Isn't Vermont trying to secede as well...and Maine?

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[quote=jsarno;546550]Out of morbid curiousity, why is that? I think there are other states more suitable personally...like California for instance. But no state is self sustaining enough to be their own country.[/quote]
California seceeding would be fantastic. They have to leave San Diego though.

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[quote=jsarno;546550]Out of morbid curiousity, why is that? I think there are other states more suitable personally...like California for instance. But no state is self sustaining enough to be their own country.[/quote]

Last I read California cannot even afford what they have going now so how could they make it on their own? I'd say California would be at the bottom of states that could sucede.

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....and most Texans would prefer to stay in the Union, [URL="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/texas/in_texas_31_say_state_has_right_to_secede_from_u_s_but_75_opt_to_stay"]75% of them in fact[/URL]. That's 15 points higher than expect. Rick Perry is done for.

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[quote=jsarno;546550]Out of morbid curiousity, why is that? I think there are other states more suitable personally...like California for instance. But no state is self sustaining enough to be their own country.[/quote]

California would be a 3rd-world country without Federal help. :D

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;546738]California seceeding would be fantastic. They have to leave San Diego though.[/quote]

I like it here in SD, but it's too expensive. Southern SD is (chula vista and south) is almost useless though. Northern SD is extremely beautiful!

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[quote=Beemnseven;546707]Well, not exactly. Blood was shed to get free of England certainly, but the Founders looked at their states as their own countries. They didn't shed blood to swear allegiance to a massive leviathan of a federal government with no way out. In their eyes, the United States of America was plural, not singular. You're right about the second part though -- Lincoln made it clear that if anyone tried to leave, he'd send the army in to kill those who tried.

It's funny how Lincoln is held up as some sort of god because of this.[/quote]

Sssshhhh. You can't ever talk about how the civil war and Lincoln actually destroyed what our founding fathers founded. It's not the accepted version of history.

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[quote=saden1;546769]....and most Texans would prefer to stay in the Union, [URL="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/texas/in_texas_31_say_state_has_right_to_secede_from_u_s_but_75_opt_to_stay"]75% of them in fact[/URL]. That's 15 points higher than expect. Rick Perry is done for.[/quote]

Why is he done for? He didn't say he WANTED to secede. He said they could if they wanted to. I think he was basically just asserting the right. It's not like he started some movement to leave the Union.

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[quote=firstdown;546740]Last I read California cannot even afford what they have going now so how could they make it on their own? I'd say California would be at the bottom of states that could sucede.[/quote]

I didn't say they wouldn't have to claim bankruptcy and the housing market crumble to nothing, but they have everything they need to survive otherwise. If they seceeded millions would move back to the continental US leaving all sorts of open jobs and the money problems fade away. Not saying it's a reality, but just saying Texas is a joke if they think they can survive on their own. Texans always think they are better than everyone else, and what exactly about Texas would we (the USA) miss? West Texas is COMPLETELY useless, and the coast is one of the ugliest in America (minus a few spots). The Dallas area and San Antonio area are nice, but other than that, there is nothing really concrete they offer the US. Oil you say? Well, they are not the #1 producing state of oil in the USA. Cotton would likely be our biggest hit as a nation.

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For what it's worth, I believe the colonies were in financial trouble when they seceded. At least I know that during the Articles of Confederation period, paying national debts were a major stumbling block to the Articles success.
Maybe a unified California could secede, divide, secede from each other and re-join the 2 states in the US. North and South California. any takers?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;546853]For what it's worth, I believe the colonies were in financial trouble when they seceded. At least I know that during the Articles of Confederation period, paying national debts were a major stumbling block to the Articles success.
[b]Maybe a unified California could secede, divide, secede from each other and re-join the 2 states in the US. North and South California.[/b] any takers?[/quote]

LOL, I've often thought that about Texas, divide it to east texas / west texas. But then again, what does west Texas have to offer anyone? That is like the mole on texas as a whole. But I guess every state needs an imperfection right?

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It's all a moot point anyways. No State has the capacity or willingness to do it. All the poll shows is that 75% of Texans polled aren't complete dolts who think they can survive a global economy and massive geopolitical forces working against every country in the world nowadays.