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Due to trading Peters to the Eagles, the Bills now have a glaring need at OT, and I feel like there's a very good chance that they take the best OT available. With Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe likely to go in the first 4 picks, and Andre Smith likely to go the Bengals, that leaves Michael Oher, and I think that the Bills do pull the trigger on him at #11.

Before the trade I had a feeling that the Redskins would only select an OT if Andre Smith fell to them, but now there is no way he drops to #13. With no good OL prospects to take at their pick, what do you think the Redskins do? Should they take Rey Maualuga, or should they try and draft a DE? I think trading down now makes more sense, as there really isn't any talent that is worthy of the 13 overall pick, except perhaps Maualuga. I think if they trade for two late round first rounders they can still get comparable bang for their buck and take both a LB and Alex Mack. Then address OT with the third round pick (maybe Phil Loadholt or Fenuki Tupou? I'm not really sure who'd still be available then). What do you guys think..?

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The Bills also desperately need a pass rusher.

I could see them taking either the best tackle or DE available. They had been shopping Peters for a while, so I don't think this changed their strategy much.

If none of the big 4 tackles are available, I'd like to see us go defense. As you mentioned, this draft is very good for O-lineman.

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We should get Sanchez...just kidding.

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We trade down and either get maualuga or larry English in the first, and mack in the second, and take the best tackle in the third ...I highly doubt oher will be there for us at thirteen whether or not buffalo gets a tackle, and I don't think that we're that high on britton

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Trading down would be great, but who really wants to trade up in this draft, I'd love to take Larry English in the lower part of round 1 I think he'd be a better fit than Malaluga to play the hybrid position.

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[quote=Eknox;547244]Trading down would be great, but who really wants to trade up in this draft, I'd love to take Larry English in the lower part of round 1 I think he'd be a better fit than Malaluga to play the hybrid position.[/quote]

English reminds me of suggs woodley and a littler bit of james Harrison...if I get any flashes of one of those guys then he'll be worth a first rounder, plus every year there's a great player to come out of the MAC and he's the one this year IMO...how do you all feel about britton?? And do you all think oher will be there when we pick at 13?

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I think there is a much greater probability that Buffalo will take an OT now that they've traded Peters. On the other hand, if there are four OT's taken in the 1st Round, then it will be the first time that has happened in at least ten years. So who knows if there will be one of the Big Four OT's there when the Skins pick.

If not, then I'd like to see the Skins trade down into the low 20's, if possible, to add a 2nd round pick. The player I want in the first round is DE Tyson Jackson. Then, I'd take RT Phil Loadholt in the 2nd and Lawrence Sidbury in the 3rd. I'd try Sidbury at SLB.

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What I am about to say is not a prediction, just a mention, but Buffalo might also go TE and take Pettigrew, figuring that they are getting the BPA at that position.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;547250]I think there is a much greater probability that Buffalo will take an OT now that they've traded Peters. On the other hand, if there are four OT's taken in the 1st Round, then it will be the first time that has happened in at least ten years. So who knows if there will be one of the Big Four OT's there when the Skins pick.

If not, then I'd like to see the Skins trade down into the low 20's, if possible, to add a 2nd round pick. The player I want in the first round is DE Tyson Jackson. Then, I'd take RT Phil Loadholt in the 2nd and Lawrence Sidbury in the 3rd. I'd try Sidbury at SLB.[/quote]

I think there will almost definitely be 5 OTs taken in the 1st round. The big 4 plus Eben Britton.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;547250]I think there is a much greater probability that Buffalo will take an OT now that they've traded Peters. On the other hand, if there are four OT's taken in the 1st Round, then it will be the first time that has happened in at least ten years. So who knows if there will be one of the Big Four OT's there when the Skins pick.

If not, then I'd like to see the Skins trade down into the low 20's, if possible, to add a 2nd round pick. The player I want in the first round is DE Tyson Jackson. Then, I'd take RT Phil Loadholt in the 2nd and Lawrence Sidbury in the 3rd. I'd try Sidbury at SLB.[/quote]

Sidbury is projected to go in the second now by some scouts/analysts so next player in your mind would be??

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[quote=GMScud;547253]I think there will almost definitely be 5 OTs taken in the 1st round. The big 4 plus Eben Britton.[/quote]

William Beatty or Phil Loadholt might sneak up there into the first round.

Don't sleep, cuz it might be 6 + now that Peters is gone.

Also, this affects what Philly will do with its other first rounder. They are less inclined to take a tackle, but who knows.

I just want this weekend to be over already/

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[quote=SkinsFanSince91;547278]William Beatty or Phil Loadholt might sneak up there into the first round.

Don't sleep, cuz it might be 6 + now that Peters is gone.

Also, this affects what Philly will do with its other first rounder. They are less inclined to take a tackle, but who knows.

I just want this weekend to be over already/[/quote]

Umm two things here about your post:
Philly doesn't need any tackles since they got stacy Andrews and Jason peters

And William Beaty is very light, gets owned by bull rushers so I don't see him at all as a possibility on either tackle spot of the line and I don't think the skins are that high on britton ...Loadholt I like but think that he'll have problems with speed rushers like he did in college (Orakpo, brandon Williams, Florida D) what about gerald cadgoan of Penn state I here he's a good fourth fifth rounder who has started on the left side the past two years

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[quote=Nflnick11;547280]what about gerald cadgoan of Penn state I here he's a good fourth fifth rounder who has started on the left side the past two years[/quote]

I think it would probably be smart for the Redskins to never draft an o lineman from Penn State ever again.

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[quote=Nflnick11;547277]Sidbury is projected to go in the second now by some scouts/analysts so next player in your mind would be??[/quote]

I guess I'd go with OLB Marcus Freeman. If he wasn't available, I hope to get either C Eric Wood or C Antoine Caldwell.

Who would you pick in rounds 1 thru 3 if we traded down and picked up a 2nd rounder?

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[quote=wilsowilso;547283]I think it would probably be smart for the Redskins to never draft an o lineman from Penn State ever again.[/quote]

What causes you to say that?

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[quote=Nflnick11;547302]What causes you to say that?[/quote]


Andre Johnson. He's easy to forget about.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;547299]I guess I'd go with OLB Marcus Freeman. If he wasn't available, I hope to get either C Eric Wood or C Antoine Caldwell.

Who would you pick in rounds 1 thru 3 if we traded down and picked up a 2nd rounder?[/quote]

Wow man I mean what's the scenario, if oher or orakpo is still there then I would stay right at 13 and take one of them if not I would trade down with either Detroit or Miami or new England and hope San diego Detroit and new England don't take maualuga and get him. If they get maualuga then I would take with the later first round pick that we would get, I would get in this order;
Larry English DE/OLB (who I don't think the skins are high on at all)
Ayers DE
Mack C (not as big of a need as T or DE or OLB but some people really really like this guy(SFREDSKIN)and this is assuming that we don't get one of the top 5 second round picks)
Clay Matthews OLB (one year wonder who has NFL bloodlines and may be the best ofthe LBs at USC)

In the second I would get depending on what I get in the first I would get the other obviously in the second (DE --> OT, OT--> DE, OLB--> OT) that said I would get either loadholt, barwin, sidbury, jamon Meredith, duke Robinson, michael Johnson or Paul Kruger (both johnson and kruger are sketchy to me and maybes)

And finally in the third round followig the scenarios that I went by the first two rounds I would get either Jason Williams of western Illinois, brandon Williams of Texas tech, nic Harris of Oklahoma as an OLB, or Kyle Moore of USC, Jason watkins, antione Caldwell, gerald cadgoan, maybe maybe marcus freeman who I don't really like but I hear his name a lot..and if I want to get a position we don't really need, I could get either dillard the WR from rice, or joe Burnett the corner return specialist from UCF who is a great returned and underrated corner

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[quote=wilsowilso;547319]Andre Johnson. He's easy to forget about.[/quote]

Did we get him in the first or something and when did we get him??

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[quote=wilsowilso;547319]Andre Johnson. He's easy to forget about.[/quote]

Sadly, if we stopped drafting from a school every time we got a bust like Andre Johnson, we'd have almost no one left to draft from outside of Millsaps College.

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Andre Johnson, tackle from Penn St., 1st round 1996, 30th overall pick, according to Nfl.com.

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[quote=Nflnick11;547323]Did we get him in the first or something and when did we get him??[/quote]

Yeah we drafted him in 1996 with the #30 pick in the first round.

He spent his first year inactive and then they cut him in his second training camp.

What idiot GM made that pick I can't remember? Maybe Casserly.

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[quote=wilsowilso;547283]I think it would probably be smart for the Redskins to never draft an o lineman from Penn State ever again.[/quote]

Andre fricken Johnson

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Oh yeah the best part was that we traded up to get the guy.

I just checked and it was Casserly. If you look at Casserly's draft record for the Skins you will cry it's an utter trainwreck.

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[quote=Lotus;547324]Sadly, if we stopped drafting from a school every time we got a bust like Andre Johnson, we'd have almost no one left to draft from outside of Millsaps College.[/quote]

:laughing2 Has anyone checked to see if there are any prospects from Millsaps?

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[quote=wilsowilso;547327]Yeah we drafted him in 1996 with the #30 pick in the first round.

[B]He spent his first year inactive and then they cut him in his second training camp.[/B]

What idiot GM made that pick I can't remember? Maybe Casserly.[/quote]

Chad Rinehart is Andre Johnson reincarnated (Just not drafted quite as high).

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[quote=GMScud;547334]Chad Rinehart is Andre Johnson reincarnated (Just not drafted quite as high).[/quote]

I pray that you are mistaken. :)

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[quote=Lotus;547338]I pray that you are mistaken. :)[/quote]

Me too...we took Rinehart way before others teams would have as he was set to go in the 5th or 6th rd. If he really busts there should be a major overhaul to the FO cuz a totally wasted 3rd pick is inexcusable.

...btw I see the Rinehart situation as a reason for actually trying to trade up from our later rd picks (and keeping our 13 overall). Vinny drafts projects mostly beyond round 2, and those projects usually don't become anything.

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[quote=The Goat;547354]Me too...we took Rinehart way before others teams would have as he was set to go in the 5th or 6th rd. If he really busts there should be a major overhaul to the FO cuz a totally wasted 3rd pick is inexcusable.

...btw I see the Rinehart situation as a reason for actually trying to trade up from our later rd picks (and keeping our 13 overall). [B]Vinny drafts projects mostly beyond round 2, and those projects usually don't become anything.[/B][/quote]

In Vinny's defense (a position I rarely take), I think this is true for most teams. Put differently, if you are not a project in some way, you almost always go in the first two rounds. And projects often fail.

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[quote=Lotus;547361]In Vinny's defense (a position I rarely take), I think this is true for most teams. Put differently, if you are not a project in some way, you almost always go in the first two rounds. And projects often fail.[/quote]

I know you're right but Rinehart was slated as a 5th or 6th round project until Vinny went full retard and decided to use our 3rd round pick. We could have got a center to groom or a legit DE project...something worth writing home about eh.

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[quote=The Goat;547363]I know you're right but Rinehart was slated as a 5th or 6th round project until Vinny went full retard and decided to use our 3rd round pick. We could have got a center to groom or a legit DE project...something worth writing home about eh.[/quote]

Yeah, you are correct.

BTW Nice chatting with you but I'm gone. HTTR!

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Haha "you never go full retard."

[quote=The Goat;547363]I know you're right but Rinehart was slated as a 5th or 6th round project until Vinny went full retard and decided to use our 3rd round pick. We could have got a center to groom or a legit DE project...something worth writing home about eh.[/quote]

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I've been thinking about this...
If we don't get a top 4 OT...we should trade down....

Well...I think someone else mentioned this...if you miss out on all top talent..there will be no market for the 13th pick, therefore, you cannot trade down.
We will basically be stuck in the 13th slot unless there is someone left that a playoff team is drooling over...Are there any scenarios where that is even possible?

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[quote=skinsnut;547734]I've been thinking about this...
If we don't get a top 4 OT...we should trade down....

Well...I think someone else mentioned this...if you miss out on all top talent..there will be no market for the 13th pick, therefore, you cannot trade down.
We will basically be stuck in the 13th slot unless there is someone left that a playoff team is drooling over...Are there any scenarios where that is even possible?[/quote]

Yes. If Sanchez is left and we actually are not interested in him, the Jets at 17 might be.

If the Lions go OT at #1, they may be willing to move #20 to move up and get Sanchez.

There must be more scenarios. For example, it is possible that no CB's come off of the board before 13. Someone lower, like the Fins or Pats, may want to move up to grab their favorite CB.

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[quote=skinsnut;547734]I've been thinking about this...
If we don't get a top 4 OT...we should trade down....

Well...I think someone else mentioned this...if you miss out on all top talent..there will be no market for the 13th pick, therefore, you cannot trade down.
We will basically be stuck in the 13th slot unless there is someone left that a playoff team is drooling over...Are there any scenarios where that is even possible?[/quote]

Ya if the pats want maualuga which I don't want to have happen, then their a possibility, and Miami really likes Tyson Jackson, so if they want to trade and swap picks then they're a possibility, maybe we can get their first and both they're seconds for our first, I mean after all they did basically steal it from us anyway and it was ours

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[quote=Nflnick11;547762]Ya if the pats want maualuga which I don't want to have happen, then their a possibility, and Miami really likes Tyson Jackson, so if they want to trade and swap picks then they're a possibility, maybe we can get their first and both they're seconds for our first, I mean after all they did basically steal it from us anyway and it was ours[/quote]

hmm...I see mauanluga as #13 trade down bait...but that is it, anything else realistic?

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[quote=skinsnut;547766]hmm...I see mauanluga as #13 trade down bait...but that is it, anything else realistic?[/quote]

I would take rather than trade down, no question about it. I doubt the FO will be that farsighted though...London has at least a year of good play left.

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As much as I would like to trade down, I kinda want a good player at #13 (well not Sanchez).