Reasons for drafting Sanchez
 

I think we've heard enough about why we shouldn't draft Sanchez, so now I want to hear some reasons why we should draft Sanchez. I'm not saying I'm in favor of it or behind the move, I just want to hear some logical and rational reasons for taking him and shipping JC out of here.

From the little I know about Sanchez he appears to be more of a true gunslinger and definitely a more vocal leader. It looks like he throws on the run pretty well, he doesn't have a cannon arm but he looks like he can certainly make all the throws, and he's played in a pro style offense at USC. Experts say he has sound mechanics and fundamentals and is very coachable. Plus he's very accurate and makes good decisions.

What are your thoughts?

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Maybe because you know you are gonna need a QB next year anyway. JC has been done wrong, he isn't coming back when his current deal is up. You try to trade him now to recoup a draft pick or 2, and you start over. If you cant get anything for him now and he walks next season, the Skins lose out all around.

And this isn't a vote for drafting Sanchez, this goes for drafting any QB, Unless......Colt.....Nah!

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I think you summed it up. He looks like a good QB prospect. I guess you can quibble with his lack of experience, but it does seem like his game will translate well to the pros.

I still think Campbell is a little too slow in his progressions. Of course, he's entering his second year of Zorn's offense (when Hasselbeck "got it") and figures to do much better.

Sanchez seems bright, but who knows if he can execute Zorn's reads quickly. All I know is Sanchez wouldn't do appreciably better than Campbell if we don't get the RT spot resolved.

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Good thread. Even if you want to see JC make it here, as I do, you can still acknowledge that Sanchez seems like a solid prospect & good guy. He does seem more suited to Zorn's offense than JC is.

IN a nutshell, any nfl front office can quiet its critics & fans if they make a bold move, gamble on a player & win. If Sanchez turns out to be that guy & we get him, a few years from now we can all say that DS made a great move.

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I was watching some NFL coverage on ESPN last night, and it looks like this dude is perfect for the offense we run. Now I'm not supporting getting him at all...

But...he looks like he has a quicker release, he definitely goes through his reads a lot better, he has instincts...he can geel the pocket collapsing and he rolls out, avoids pressure and makes the throw.

He's a good off balance passer. Everyone says he's lacking arm strength, but he can still gun it. I don't know, I watched some Youtube vids of him and he's made some pretty big throws.

The inexperience sounds scary, but I would hate to see him go somewhere else and become a big time QB, b/c I think he [B]can[/B] become that.

I think if JC had some of Sanchez's intangibles and passion, JC could be elite.

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*feel the pocket, not 'geel the pocket'...haha

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The reason plain and simple is that the Redskins lost confidence in JC. They no longer believe that he is in their long term plans. And QB is the most important position on the team. When you look at this decision you have to look at it from the point where they already decided that Jason is not the answer...then what do you do? I think if you eliminate JC from the equation it's easier to conclude that Sanchez is the right pick. What most Redskins fans are doing is saying the Redskins are wrong and Jason can be the answer.

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Like my prior post " Sanchez at 13" I believe he is the perfect quarterback for our offense. I have read many articles and send videos of his games and he seems to have that "Matt Hasselbeck" in him ala perfect quarterback for the west coast offense. He's smart, mobile, goes through his progressions fast and very accurate even on the move a plus for the west coast offense. Campbell is now 27 years old and Sanchez is like 22 years which is 5 years younger and he could be our franchise quarterback for the next 10-12 years. Also, Sanchez is already familiar with our offense since he was in it for 4 years at USC. I know that Campbell has so many coordinators but he just needs to go to a team that will let him be a classic drop back quarterback instead of a west coast quarterback which requires quick release, excellent footwork, goes through progressions at a fast pace- all of which he lacks. I totally on the draft [B]MARK SANCHEZ BANDWAGON!![/B]

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Anybody here actually watch all the USC games and not just Sanchez highlights?

It's beyond me that this hype machine has moved him up as much as it has...

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I wouldn't be so opposed to getting him, I just hate to give up a ton for him. I think the kid is gonna be bad@ss.

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[quote=Schneed10;549161]I think you summed it up. He looks like a good QB prospect. I guess you can quibble with his lack of experience, but it does seem like his game will translate well to the pros.

I still think Campbell is a little too slow in his progressions. Of course, he's entering his second year of Zorn's offense (when Hasselbeck "got it") and figures to do much better.

Sanchez seems bright, but who knows if he can execute Zorn's reads quickly. All I know is Sanchez wouldn't do appreciably better than Campbell if we don't get the RT spot resolved.[/quote]

I think you and Matty both make good points. And I guess the thinking is Sanchez would do a better job of masking other deficiencies (weak RT spot for example) than Campbell could.

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[quote=Soup's Uncle;549175]I wouldn't be so opposed to getting him, I just hate to give up a ton for him. I think the kid is gonna be bad@ss.[/quote]

Exactly. What's the net effect going to be of getting him, that's the big question

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I totally agree with the people saying it's because we jilted Campbell enough that even if he tears it up, it'll be another Boldin situation.

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[quote=SmootSmack;549177]Exactly. What's the net effect going to be of getting him, that's the big question[/quote]

For me, it's not that we lose Campbell and maybe some draft picks, it's really the whole big picture. Gmanc and I were talking about it today and basically it's you have to be in one mode, rebuilding, a piece away or a dynasty. You can't be a combination of any of those.

Sure, we as fans are part of the problem since we're notoriously impatient, but seriously, sometimes we have to let management know that we're willing to wait and let the team be BUILT the right way.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;549180]For me, it's not that we lose Campbell and maybe some draft picks, it's really the whole big picture. Gmanc and I were talking about it today and basically it's you have to be in one mode, rebuilding, a piece away or a dynasty. You can't be a combination of any of those.

Sure, we as fans are part of the problem since we're notoriously impatient, but seriously, sometimes we have to let management know that we're willing to wait and let the team be BUILT the right way.[/quote]

Wow, hate to quote myself, but basically I just saw the thread about the same thing and I truly agree with everything said there.

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Listening to endless hours of this stuff....but this might have some truth. "Sources" out at the park say they are disappointed in JC's ability to extend plays, "make things happen", but MOSTLY his lack of leadership. AND do not believe that will change...
They believe that ALL these things are strong in Sanchez

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That's one thing I don't trust though. For all we know, a "source" could be a dude who empties the trash and could email Jason La Confora (who sucks).

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[quote=Hog1;549185]Listening to endless hours of this stuff....but this might have some truth. "Sources" out at the park say they are disappointed in JC's ability to extend plays, "make things happen", but MOSTLY his lack of leadership. AND do not believe that will change...
They believe that ALL these things are strong in Sanchez[/quote]

Yup. It's like I've been telling you guys for several weeks now. The general feeling inisde Redskin Park "We all like Jason. He's a good guy and a solid QB that we can win with, but we're not sure we can win because of him. And when we have injuries, etc. like we did last season we need a QB who can carry us over those types of obstacles. We're not convinced Jason is that guy."

I can see that, certainly. I'm not totally convinced that Sanchez is that guy either though. But he definitely carries intangible qualities that Campbell seems to lack.

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It's really cliche, but Sanchez has the 'look' of an NFL star QB. He's got the swagger, he's got the poise, he's polished, he went to the big time college program, played on the big stage, performed well under that pressure. Campbell, as big a fan of his as I am, always seems like the awkward kid picked by his group to speak in front of the class.

As for a pure football analysis, despite Sanchez's 'inexperience'-which I think is overblown-he's got excellent mechanics, balance and his decision making appears to be outstanding. He doesn't have the rocket but his arm is adequate to adequate-plus. He can make the necessary throws and isn't afraid to take chances when needed. I don't think he's going to have the same learning curve that a lot of rookie QB will have only because he's had experience in a pro-style offense before and if we get him, he's not coming to a terrible supporting cast around him.

I'm not supporting this move, but if we make it, get him signed and into Redskins Park immediately because our future is tied to him for at least the next 5 years. The one upside of this move is this would be a Snyder driven pick so he's going to get much more leeway than any of the previous QB we've drafted this decade.

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#1 Reason - We are no longer interested in competing for on-the-field championships...only offseason wins and championships

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[quote=AuburnRedskin;549201]#1 Reason - We are no longer interested in competing for on-the-field championships...only offseason wins and championships[/quote]

Are your initials JC?

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[quote=Mattyk72;549157]I think we've heard enough about why we shouldn't draft Sanchez, so now I want to hear some reasons why we should draft Sanchez. I'm not saying I'm in favor of it or behind the move, I just want to hear some logical and rational reasons for taking him and shipping JC out of here.

From the little I know about Sanchez he appears to be more of a true gunslinger and definitely a more vocal leader. It looks like he throws on the run pretty well, he doesn't have a cannon arm but he looks like he can certainly make all the throws, and he's played in a pro style offense at USC. Experts say he has sound mechanics and fundamentals and is very coachable. Plus he's very accurate and makes good decisions.

What are your thoughts?[/quote]

I can't think of any reason to give up a draft pick or picks to draft him. Not one. Not for this team. Our Qb situation is solid. We've got a young guy, an older guy and JC going into his 5th year. I watched 5-6 USC games. Sanchez is a good system QB, but not a guy who can carry an offense. He doesn't have Jay Culter skills...that's for sure. He doesn't even have better physical skills than Campbell. He's just more of a vocal leader, impresses people in interviews and is getting a ton of hype from Trent Dilfer. Did Dilfer watch the Oregon State game????

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[quote=Mattyk72;549157]I think we've heard enough about why we shouldn't draft Sanchez, so now I want to hear some reasons why we should draft Sanchez. [b]I'm not saying I'm in favor of it or behind the move,[/b] I just want to hear some logical and rational reasons for taking him and shipping JC out of here.

From the little I know about Sanchez he appears to be more of a true gunslinger and definitely a more vocal leader. It looks like he throws on the run pretty well, he doesn't have a cannon arm but he looks like he can certainly make all the throws, and he's played in a pro style offense at USC. Experts say he has sound mechanics and fundamentals and is very coachable. Plus he's very accurate and makes good decisions.

What are your thoughts?[/quote]

You have a comment under your name saying "f it draft sanchez". You're not in favor of it?

I LOVE his infectious attitude. He's always happy and willing to get others pumped up to play. Of course, this is great in college, but doubt it works that well in the pros. Still a great attitude will do well no matter what. He has the best attitude I have seen through all the qbs available. He would CERTAINLY become the face of the Redskins.

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The only reason for drafting him that I can think of is, he is supposedly well suited for Zorns type of offense. Goes through his reads well, throws on the run well etc. I just wonder if he hasn't done as good a job of marketing himself as Brian Bosworth and Tony Mandarich. He hasn't done that much really and there seems to be more hype on potential than substance.

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[quote=jsarno;549239]You have a comment under your name saying "f it draft sanchez". You're not in favor of it?[/quote]

I've accepted it seems inevitable, I'm just saying F it, put us out of our misery already. It's not like we have any control.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;549174]Anybody here actually watch all the USC games and not just Sanchez highlights?

It's beyond me that this hype machine has moved him up as much as it has...[/quote]

As a Nittany Lions fan I watched in complete disgust as he torched us in the Rose Bowl. I also watched when he shredded Ohio State. This kid can flat out play and he has one key ingredient that JC17 doesn't.....LEADERSHIP!!!

Campbell is a nice guy, I like him, I have his jersey....Draft Sanchez anyway!

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Wasn't Matt Lienart more celebrated coming out USC and he sucks. I just don't want t have to start all over at QB and have gaping holes in other areas. This is a mess.

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I don't think it has anything to do w/ Sanchez per se...i mean Snyder's behavior here. Snyder went coo-coo for cutler, a very different kind of QB from Sanchez, and when that didn't work he just moved on the new sweatheart. This is about Snyder not wanting JC IMO, not about what Sanchez or whoever else brings to the table.

...so i guess my point is it's only silly speculation what reasons there are to drafting Sanchez, because it doesn't appear to have anything to do w/ him in the first place.

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So much of this Sanchez talk is almost identical to five years ago...Why are we giving up draft picks for Campbell when we've already got Ramsey? If Campbell is gone, as a Redskins fan I can only hope he finds the same success in the league as Ramsey has.

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[quote=skinsfan69;549231]I can't think of any reason to give up a draft pick or picks to draft him. Not one. Not for this team. Our Qb situation is solid. We've got a young guy, an older guy and JC going into his 5th year. I watched 5-6 USC games. [b]Sanchez is a good system QB,[/b] but not a guy who can carry an offense. He doesn't have Jay Culter skills...that's for sure. He doesn't even have better physical skills than Campbell. He's just more of a vocal leader, impresses people in interviews and is getting a ton of hype from Trent Dilfer. [b]Did Dilfer watch the Oregon State game????[/b][/quote]
Not to defend Sanchez, but to call him a system QB is an endorsement to draft him since the system he was in is similar to our system so by your logic he will be effective.

Judging someone solely on their worst game is no more responsible than judging them solely on their best game.

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You don't need a cannon arm if you have a receiver that you can hit early and in stride. We're pretty sure that Campbell won't be here next year and I doubt that we're interested in Freeman, so that's what I can come up with. Wish we'd hold out for next year but oh well.

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to make a splash that will hopefully cover up the big "boo-boo" we got when we failed to land who Danny really wanted, Cutler.

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[quote=Mattyk72;549278]I've accepted it seems inevitable, I'm just saying F it, put us out of our misery already. It's not like we have any control.[/quote]

Well, we said the same thing about Cutler - that it was inevitable. I think we both made comments along the lines of, "get used to him, because it's going to happen."

I honestly think he's going to Seattle at #4, and I don't think we have as much ammo to make a move as teams like the Jets and Bucs.

If I had to make a prediction I'd say we stay at #13, and end up picking one of the big 4 tackles or the best LB or DE available.

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[quote=skinsfan69;549231]I can't think of any reason to give up a draft pick or picks to draft him. Not one. Not for this team. Our Qb situation is solid. We've got a young guy, an older guy and JC going into his 5th year. I watched 5-6 USC games. Sanchez is a good system QB, but not a guy who can carry an offense. He doesn't have Jay Culter skills...that's for sure. He doesn't even have better physical skills than Campbell. He's just more of a vocal leader, impresses people in interviews and is getting a ton of hype from Trent Dilfer. Did Dilfer watch the Oregon State game????[/quote]
everybody is talking about a single game

I know that you only have one full season to work with but damn

all qb's have shitty days

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[quote=SmootSmack;549304]So much of this Sanchez talk is almost identical to five years ago...Why are we giving up draft picks for Campbell when we've already got Ramsey? If Campbell is gone, as a Redskins fan I can only hope he finds the same success in the league as Ramsey has.[/quote]
Good point, I hadn't even thought of that.

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[quote=Paintrain;549306]Not to defend Sanchez, but to call him a system QB is an endorsement to draft him since the system he was in is similar to our system so by your logic he will be effective.

Judging someone solely on their worst game is no more responsible than judging them solely on their best game.[/quote]

Yes I am judging him on that game... and a few others. If what Smoot is saying is true, which is they want a guy who can carry us when we have injuries and so forth, then why in the world are we looking at this guy? I didn't see any USC games where Sanchez faced adversity and had to bring his team from behind. And the few games he did face adversity he played like sub par. I mean if he's so great why didn't he beat out Booty? Booty, Leinart and Sanchez are all the same guy to me. Very good college players but they'll never be great pro's, just good ones. Not one of those guys have Carson Palmer ability so I see no reason to make a trade.

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Campbell is too old. There, I said it.

We talk a lot about defensive prospects being less likely to bust here because the environment is good for young defensive players. Well, we're actively working to create the opposite effect for a skill position on the offense. Kelly and Thomas are way more likely to bust when there is no stability at the QB position, and Sanchez simply isn't going to succeed where Campbell failed.

Here's the thing: whatever is good with Sanchez' developmental curve won't matter because it's not like we're all going to be patient with him all of a sudden. Matt Ryan was successful as a rookie because the Falcons spent years, and years trying to put an offense around Vick, and you got Chris Redman in there, and Redman enjoyed some success, and Ryan just happened to be a lot better than Redman.

But the pieces were already in place: two young receivers, a young-improving OL, and a new-refreshing coaching staff. I realize Kelly and Thomas could help with a guy like Sanchez, but they need all the help they can get right now themselves. Sorry, this move has like a 0% chance of success if we pull it off.

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[quote=GMScud;549318]Well, we said the same thing about Cutler - that it was inevitable. I think we both made comments along the lines of, "get used to him, because it's going to happen."

I honestly think he's going to Seattle at #4, and I don't think we have as much ammo to make a move as teams like the Jets and Bucs.

If I had to make a prediction I'd say we stay at #13, and end up picking one of the big 4 tackles or the best LB or DE available.[/quote]

If we stay at #13 and Orapko is gone I'd expect us to trade down, maybe twice (Jets or Bucs for Freeman at #13 and once more into the late 1st). Imagine the outcry from the fans if we actually accumulate picks!!!

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[quote=Paintrain;549326]If we stay at #13 and Orapko is gone I'd expect us to trade down, maybe twice (Jets or Bucs for Freeman at #13 and once more into the late 1st). Imagine the outcry from the fans if we actually accumulate picks!!![/quote]

This would make my day - assuming we draft a good T along with Mack..

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Sanchez appears to have the positive traits that Campbell doesn't have (which Snyder obviously covets) - being an on-field and off-field vocal leader, and a polished media image and demeanor.

His play on the field also has the potential to be better than Campbell, but at this point - there's too much media attention on his positives to be able to separate the hype from what's real. The game that USC lost to Oregon State may be a fluke game for Sanchez, but that's what left a bad impression with me on his play. He was off all game and I really thought he was the one who lost it for them.

I am not sold on him enough to trade up, but might be leaning on taking him at 13 (I would hate passing up on an OT or DE though). I think that he may be what the redskins are lacking because of his leadership skills and his on-field potential. Jason Campbell, for all that he has shown and done, still hasn't seemed to reach his potential even though he has played a few years in this league already. Much of this has to do with the redskins instability on offense, but this is the redskins way since snyder has been with the redskins and should now be accepted as one of the hazards to being a redskins qb (and player). Sanchez may also be a better fit to handle this.

So bottomline, it's all about drafting a potential leader for the redskins - on and off the field.