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With all the pulled hamstrings at the WR position.....again? I like the move to add veteran depth at the receiver position.

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Posted at 12:04 PM ET, 05/ 3/2009 [B]Skins Offer Deals to Washington, Hackett (Updated)[/B]

The Redskins have offered contracts to veteran free agent wide receivers Kelley Washington and D.J. Hackett, who participated in minicamp this weekend, a league source said. Washington is expected to decide on the Redskins' offer after visiting the Baltimore Ravens this week. Hackett was expected to take a physical this afternoon and planned to sign with the team today, a league source said.

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If we get Washington that could spell the end for Thrash. Washington does the same exact things only younger and cheaper. Thrash dropped a good number of passes last year also. I was watching the Eagles and Giants games from last year recently and he dropped big 3rd down throws in both games. Catches that should have been made to convert and move the chains. I know he's a cult hero and all but he's not really a viable option anymore.

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[quote=Paintrain;554348]If we get Washington that could spell the end for Thrash. Washington does the same exact things only younger and cheaper. Thrash dropped a good number of passes last year also. I was watching the Eagles and Giants games from last year recently and he dropped big 3rd down throws in both games. Catches that should have been made to convert and move the chains. I know he's a cult hero and all but he's not really a viable option anymore.[/quote]

Plus Thrash is 34 years old. I wonder though, if he stays healthy I would definitely prefer Hacket but Washington is also pretty good when he gets a chance to play. Bascially Hacket has more potential but Washington is the safer pick since Hacket has a hard time staying healthy.

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The biggest thing I DON'T want is time going away from Kelly and Thomas. Yes, I want to win now, but we HAVE TO LET THEM DEVELOP.

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[quote=Paintrain;554348]If we get Washington that could spell the end for Thrash. Washington does the same exact things only younger and cheaper. Thrash dropped a good number of passes last year also. I was watching the Eagles and Giants games from last year recently and he dropped big 3rd down throws in both games. Catches that should have been made to convert and move the chains. I know he's a cult hero and all but he's not really a viable option anymore.[/quote]

Yeah you could be right. It might be the end of the road for Thrash. But I'm not sure why Washington hasn't stuck on with anyone and had a big season catching the football. I remember he was a stud coming out of Tenn.

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hackett ftmfw...i think he will be a good fit...

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isnt washington that guy that does the rediculous end zone dance when he scores against us EVERY preseason?

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we should trade Moss, get a 2nd or 3rd for him next year, and let all the young and up coming WR, play now, the best way is to find out which one, really wants to be #1

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yeah Washington probably has a real good shot to make this team. He has some ability and most importantly he is a quality teams player. It'll probably end up Thomas,Kelly,Moss, Randle El,Washington most game days.

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both are nice signings.....Washington will hopefully replace Thrash. Hackett cant really replace Thrash because he doesn't play special teams. He is nice insurance though if we have an injury to the top 4 WR's, esp. with Kelly having another surgery. Even though Hackett can't stay healthy either, at least he can help the youngins learn the system if nothing else....

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;554352]The biggest thing I DON'T want is time going away from Kelly and Thomas. Yes, I want to win now, but we HAVE TO LET THEM DEVELOP.[/quote]

Being Kelly is not ready to go and Thomas has a hammy issue from yesterday, even though it doesn't appear to be much, it is the same problem hammy from last season. They will have plenty of time to develop, as it appears.

We have an old/weak WR core to say the least. And two unproven rookies, and yes I hope one of these guys can step up and be a #1 or #2 and challenge Santana but that remains to be seen.

Both these guys are veteran WR's in this league, have good size and know how to play the game, and are being signed for a reason. If Hackett stays healthy he is very familiar with this offensive scheme and could be a big asset. I like both these moves, they are needed.

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[quote=MasterBlaster;554362]we should trade Moss, get a 2nd or 3rd for him next year, and let all the young and up coming WR, play now, the best way is to find out which one, really wants to be #1[/quote]


welcome to the site...but this comment makes no sense at all...trade Moss for a future 3rd just to force the Skins to play the young guys?

Moss it the only deep threat the opposing defenses need to game plan around.

The NFC east would be laughing their butts off if we did this...dont worry...it wont happen.

The reality is we will get lucky if one of the rookies stick...so that would leave Moss ARE...the successful rookie...then WR depth...I highly doubt both rookies start...and if they do...it wont be until next year at the soonest.
So do we need Moss...absolutely...almost as much as we need portis...and probably more than we need Cooley.

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It sounds like you guys think we already signed both guys...is this true?

The first post says that Hackett is likely to sign pending a physical....if he does, then why would Washington sign with the Skins vs the Ravens....I wouldn't.

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Hopefully I'm being overly pessimistic here but Kelly's knee at this point sounds FUBAR...and he hasn't been able to put in the time building chemistry/timing w/ JC as Thomas has. That said I could see Kelly inactive early in the season (hopefully not too long) and our WR corp look like: Moss, DT, ARL, Hacket, Washinton. Losing Thrash will help cap space a bit too so I'd say he's gone. Hopefully Kelly can get back in later...but I really don't expect anything from him this season at all...can you imagine how his knee will flare up at game speed and taking hits.

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[quote=skinsnut;554372]It sounds like you guys think we already signed both guys...is this true?

The first post says that Hackett is likely to sign pending a physical....if he does, then why would Washington sign with the Skins vs the Ravens....I wouldn't.[/quote]

The article says that Hackett will sign today and Washington may sign after a tryout with the Ravens this week.

Goodbye James Thrash...I've enjoyed your special teams contributions but we need to get more out of our receivers.

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[quote=Paintrain;554348]If we get Washington that could spell the end for Thrash. Washington does the same exact things only younger and cheaper. Thrash dropped a good number of passes last year also. I was watching the Eagles and Giants games from last year recently and he dropped big 3rd down throws in both games. Catches that should have been made to convert and move the chains. I know he's a cult hero and all but he's not really a viable option anymore.[/quote]

I really hope that Thrash doesn't make the team. The fact that he was a starting receiver for us last year was embarrassing.

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I actually think Hackett has the better shot to be a contributor in 2009. Not sure how he is on special teams, but the combination of his size and experience with Zorn/WCO sets up a nice hedge in case the struggles continue for Kelly and Thomas. He could turn into a solid possession receiver for us potentially.

Last year around this time I was all for signing Hackett, as were a bunch of folks here.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;554384]I really hope that Thrash doesn't make the team. The fact that he was a starting receiver for us last year was embarrassing.[/quote]

Thrash has been a solid Redskin special teamer/ great locker room guy (backup #4 WR for spot duty) having him at the #3 WR spot was a failure, I agree.

Thrash is coming of surgery this off season. I do not see him making the team this season in any capacity.

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[quote=mrreddman;554366]both are nice signings.....Washington will hopefully replace Thrash. Hackett cant really replace Thrash because he doesn't play special teams. He is nice insurance though if we have an injury to the top 4 WR's, esp. with Kelly having another surgery. Even though Hackett can't stay healthy either, at least he can help the youngins learn the system if nothing else....[/quote]

Washington is also a special teams specialist. two years ago in New England they couldn't stop him on Punts and Kick off returns. He isn't the reciever he was in college but he adds good depth.

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D.J. Hackett is a good third down guy and worth a look.

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I think this means goodbye James thrash because washingtons a better younger WR/ST

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[quote=MasterBlaster;554362]we should trade Moss, get a 2nd or 3rd for him next year, and let all the young and up coming WR, play now, the best way is to find out which one, really wants to be #1[/quote]

I am so tired of comments like this. There are some people on this board that repeatedly say trade Portis, Moss, ARE, and everybody over 26 on the freaking roster. It's the same as what people say about Snyder, you're treating this like a fantasy team. For some of you I honestly think your dream team would have everybody 25 or younger. It's just plain stupid. That team would lose games and that's what the franchise would learn how to be ... losers. There's a reason why these young guys don't play. They're not ready and they're not good enough and they don't deserve to play in that case because it makes the team worse and hurts the locker room. Guys just don't magically develop from year to year by getting thrown into games. They do it in practice every day and they need veterans to teach them what it takes to be an NFL player every day. You need vetetans to teach you what it takes to win and create a tradition and expectation of winning. And you may not really know what I'm talking about unless you've been on a team where the team where the players have more responsibility than the coach for what happens with the team, so like a high school team doesn't really count since it's not really made of grown men.

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Probably a good idea to go six deep in terms of WRs with receiving potential during mini camp. You can always cut down in July/August if need be.

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[quote=an23dy;554423]I am so tired of comments like this. There are some people on this board that repeatedly say trade Portis, Moss, ARE, and everybody over 26 on the freaking roster. It's the same as what people say about Snyder, you're treating this like a fantasy team. For some of you I honestly think your dream team would have everybody 25 or younger. It's just plain stupid. That team would lose games and that's what the franchise would learn how to be ... losers. There's a reason why these young guys don't play. They're not ready and they're not good enough and they don't deserve to play in that case because it makes the team worse and hurts the locker room. Guys just don't magically develop from year to year by getting thrown into games. They do it in practice every day and they need veterans to teach them what it takes to be an NFL player every day. You need vetetans to teach you what it takes to win and create a tradition and expectation of winning. And you may not really know what I'm talking about unless you've been on a team where the team where the players have more responsibility than the coach for what happens with the team, so like a high school team doesn't really count since it's not really made of grown men.[/quote]

I agree. I would add that there is an easier way of getting the young WR's to play besides trading Moss: Zorn simply says, "Devin, get out there!" No trade necessary.

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Why in the world would any skins fan want us to trade Moss? He had a down year last year but he is by FAR the best WR on our roster. If the OL gives JC some time our offense has alot of weapons. Watch Fred Davis this year. Everyone who dogged the pick last year will eat those words.

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No DJ Hackett signing today.....

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Posted at 6:20 PM ET, 05/ 3/2009
No DJ Hackett Signing Imminent

The Redskins offered Hackett a contract following his tryout this weekend, and wanted him to join the team starting Monday for the first of 4 OTA sessions this week. Hackett was interested in signing but a personal matter will preclude him from being here this week and so any potential signing is on hold, according to a league source.

The Skins resume OTAs in June and could have a full compliment of receivers back healhty by then. Talks between the team and Hackett could resume at that point - the Skins are only really offering one-year, vet minimum deal at this time, anyway - and the Redskins also expect to hear back from WR Kelley Washington in a week or so, after offering him a deal as well after his tryout. Washington is expected to participate in Baltimore's upcoming mini-camp and make a decision on a new team following that.

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Neither have signed yet

some sort of personal issue has Hackett away for a week or so

washington still has to visit baltimore

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I think it would be a great idea to add both of these guys to the roster because you need a good mix of youth and vets. I think I'd rather see Washington stick on the opening day roster just because of his special team ability. The reality of the situation is if we have to count on Hackett or Washington for anything more than to be the 3rd reciever at best then we are probably in trouble.

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[quote=Skinz4life;554457]I think it would be a great idea to add both of these guys to the roster because you need a good mix of youth and vets. I think I'd rather see Washington stick on the opening day roster just because of his special team ability. The reality of the situation is if we have to count on Hackett or Washington for anything more than to be the 3rd reciever at best then we are probably in trouble.[/quote]

When Hackett is healthy, he's pretty good #3 receiver.. I don't know much about Washington, but from what I have seen, he might not be that bad..

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[quote=GridIron26;554458]When Hackett is healthy, he's pretty good #3 receiver.. I don't know much about Washington, but from what I have seen, he might not be that bad..[/quote]

Regardless of who we sign, both are cheaper and arguably more talented #3's than Thrash. I'd tend to lean towards signing Washington because he can fill the void at Sepcial Teams, and he's more durable than Hackett.

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Regardless of who we sign, I don't like the fact that Kelly is still rehabbing a bad knee and the same hammy that bothered Devin Thomas last year is already acting up. I want our 2nd year receivers to work out a helluva lot more than I want Hackett on this team.

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I agree, I'm wondering about Thomas and Kelly, as well.. But I gotta say, this doesn't look good for Kelly though.. If I could choose, I would sign either Hackett or Washington but play Kelly and Thomas more, and see if they could make Hackett or Washington to be expendable.. Although if I had my way, I think it's better to make Washington priority to sign than with Hackett due to his abilities to be on special team..

Whichever way Redskins will go; I expect them to know not to do anything that would stunt Thomas and Kelly's growth..

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We should sign and play Hackett and Washington.....I could care less if Thomas or Kelly see playing time..You should earn a roster spot not be given one because youre a 2nd round pick. Dont see us going into another season with gimpy, suspect WR's waiting for them to develop..There were several WR's from the Broncos, Rams etc who were drafted in the same season as these 2 and contributed right out of the gate...... My philosohpy is RIDE or DIE....This is the NFL they should learn to be a pros ASAP

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[quote=Skinz4life;554457]I think it would be a great idea to add both of these guys to the roster because you need a good mix of youth and vets. I think I'd rather see Washington stick on the opening day roster just because of his special team ability. The reality of the situation is if we have to count on Hackett or Washington for anything more than to be the 3rd reciever at best then we are probably in trouble.[/quote]

not to dog on Thrash because of everything that he's done for us, but it can't really get much worse at a #3 spot, hackett could be like reche caldwell for us, a possession receiver

but more than 3rd i'm with you, it's silly that we've got ARE in the 2nd spot as it is, and paying him like a 1st

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;554470]We should sign and play Hackett and Washington.....I could care less if Thomas or Kelly see playing time..You should earn a roster spot not be given one because youre a 2nd round pick. Dont see us going into another season with gimpy, suspect WR's waiting for them to develop..There were several WR's from the Broncos, Rams etc who were drafted in the same season as these 2 and contributed right out of the gate...... My philosohpy is RIDE or DIE....This is the NFL they should learn to be a pros ASAP[/quote]

I want to see the best available talent we have available on the field PERIOD, at any position.

I would like to hope that one of two WR's from last years rookie class can step up. But that has to be proven through practice and understanding the playbook, also being healthy enough to go, which to this point neither has been able to do so.

You have to go with the best players available at the end of the day. Whoever gives you the best chance to win football games!

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I got excited for nothing I thought it was Nate Washington

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;554496]I got excited for nothing I thought it was Nate Washington[/quote]

It's fine as long as it is not George Washington. That guy has seriously lost a step. He hasn't made a big catch in years.

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[quote=Lotus;554503]It's fine as long as it is not George Washington. That guy has seriously lost a step. He hasn't made a big catch in years.[/quote]

Yeah, but I seriously see more of him than Jackson, Grant, or Franklin. If it wasn't for George, dude, I wouldn't see any faces!

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[quote=backrow;554511]Yeah, but I seriously see more of him than Jackson, Grant, or Franklin. If it wasn't for George, dude, I wouldn't see any faces![/quote]

:laughing2 Especially in this economy.

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;554470]We should sign and play Hackett and Washington....[B].I could care less if Thomas or Kelly see playing time..You should earn a roster spot not be given one because youre a 2nd round pick. Dont see us going into another season with gimpy, suspect WR's waiting for them to develop..There were several WR's from the Broncos, Rams etc who were drafted in the same season as these 2 and contributed right out of the gate...... [/B]My philosohpy is RIDE or DIE....This is the NFL they should learn to be a pros ASAP[/quote]

I wouldn't expect Hackett or Washington to become immediate contributors even if they are signed. There's a reason they are free agents. Are they not "gimpy" and/or "suspect wide receivers?" Hackett is injury prone and heading for his 3rd team in 3 years, and Washington has yet to stick anywhere. Just b/c they've been around the league longer doesn't make them safer bets than our 2nd year WRs.

I agree that you shouldn't be given a roster spot simply b/c of your draft position. But the WR position more often than not takes time to translate from success in college to success in the NFL. There are exceptions like Jackson (philly), Avery (st.louis), and Royal (denver) who were given the chance to start right away and had some success. But you don't draft two guys in the 2nd round and then cut the cord right away b/c they aren't immediate hits.

However I think either Hackett or Washington could be an upgrade over Thrash, for the record.