Rams released Pisa Tinoisamoa!
 

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4152152]St. Louis Rams cut linebacker Pisa Tinoisamoa, team leader in tackles - ESPN[/url]

He's only 27 years old and to me could be someone that we can look at for our linebacker position.

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He sounds like an angry Samoan. His highest tackle game was against us last year.

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He would make for great headlines

When he misses a tackle on what proves to be a winning TD drive "Pisa Shit Blows Game!"

When he hovers over a defenseless QB as he's about to sack him "Pisa Towers Over Opposition"

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Found this on a Rams Blog:
It was hard to question his motor, but his lack of consistency frustrated observers the most. Tinoisamoa, however, was the man without a position with the move of Witherspoon from the middle back to his natural role on the weak-side. Pisa, at 220 lbs, is a little smallish for the strong-side. We speculated this might be coming earlier in the spring.

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If he's healthy, to be honest, I have a gut feeling that MW will be back.

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St. Louis was trying to trade him draft day...I say give this guy a look at the OLB spot and get Orakpo back to his natural position...dont like the fact we are taking a rookie out of his natural position and teaching him a brand new position, the learning curve is gonna be much higher and his impact will be less. This guy looks like a solid pro with experience at the position.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;556113]Found this on a Rams Blog:
It was hard to question his motor, but his lack of consistency frustrated observers the most. Tinoisamoa, however, was the man without a position with the move of Witherspoon from the middle back to his natural role on the weak-side. Pisa, at 220 lbs, is a little smallish for the strong-side. We speculated this might be coming earlier in the spring.[/quote]

Yep. They tried him at SAM last month and said he wasn't big enough to hold the position. He's definitely fearless though. That's apparently what causes most of his injuries.

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If he gets called for encroachment, is it the Leaning tower of Pisa?

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[quote=T.O.Killa;556113]Found this on a Rams Blog:
It was hard to question his motor, but his lack of consistency frustrated observers the most. Tinoisamoa, however, was the man without a position with the move of Witherspoon from the middle back to his natural role on the weak-side. Pisa, at 220 lbs, is a little smallish for the strong-side. We speculated this might be coming earlier in the spring.[/quote]

That's odd ESPN has him listed at 240

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How long till the obligatory "they let him go for a reason" post? Because while I hate the fact that we have people that start threads for virtually every free agent I equally hate the people that seem to think that teams never make mistakes when they release players. Yeah we released James Thrash and Brian Mitchell for reasons. So they could kick our ass when they played for the Eagles.

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[url=http://www.stlouisrams.com/article/67649/]The official site of the St. Louis Rams - Article[/url]
The Boston Globe is also reporting the Pats may be interested since Mckenzie sp? went down.

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[quote=Mattyk72;556121]That's odd ESPN has him listed at 240[/quote]
Yeah I knew that, but if they are like us, they probably know better.

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He was their leading tackler, I imagine he will get more than we could offer.

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[quote=Mattyk72;556121]That's odd ESPN has him listed at 240[/quote]

NFL.com, FoxSports.com, and CBSSports.com all have him at 240 as well.

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On a side note, I love the enthusiasm of Big Hurt's thread titles. He must have started like 25 threads here that have at least one exclamation point in their thread title

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You think so, really!!

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If we sign him, move McIntosh to the SAM, put him at the WILL, leave Orapko at DE then I'll be cool. That could move our defense from damn good to damn near elite.

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I think he would not be a bad addition. He was scheduled to make 2.25 mil. for the Lambs so maybe we could get him cheaper.

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[quote=Lotus;556146]I think he would not be a bad addition. He was scheduled to make 2.25 mil. for the Lambs so maybe we could get him cheaper.[/quote]

I think the article alluded to him not being able to demand much money in the market.

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[quote=Paintrain;556134]If we sign him, move McIntosh to the SAM, put him at the WILL, leave Orapko at DE then I'll be cool. That could move our defense from damn good to damn near elite.[/quote]

I don't know anything about the Rams, mostly cuz they suck. So anyway is Pisa a blowup guy? I heard he can be inconsistent but that usually means a player goes big too...i ask becuase IMO our defense needs a blowup type player.

...any word whether the FO wants this guy? Man we're being stingy since the big signings. Nothing on Levi Jones, Marcus gets nothing but vet min etc. I can't say I blame our FO guys...we're trying to turn things around.

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[quote=The Goat;556179]I don't know anything about the Rams, mostly cuz they suck. So anyway is Pisa a blowup guy? I heard he can be inconsistent but that usually means a player goes big too...i ask becuase IMO our defense needs a blowup type player.

...any word whether the FO wants this guy? Man we're being stingy since the big signings. Nothing on Levi Jones, Marcus gets nothing but vet min etc. I can't say I blame our FO guys...we're trying to turn things around.[/quote]

You could say he's a blowup guy. The problem is he seems to hurt himself quite a bit by doing it. There's a link to a pretty good article about this on the first page, post #11.

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[quote=53Fan;556213]You could say he's a blowup guy. The problem is he seems to hurt himself quite a bit by doing it. There's a link to a pretty good article about this on the first page, post #11.[/quote]

Read it. Ok...the guy is injury prone at age 27(?). Doesn't bode well for the future.

...hey does anyone know if that kid Rey is available...I heard he's going to be very good in the NFL :oink:

Seriously, I'll feel more comfortable w/ our defense if we snatch another vet @ LB. Marcus, Pisa...whoever it is will be a stopgap in all likelihood.

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Linebacker? Yawn. We have other positions to worry about.

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The Skins need to sign this guy immediately. They need to address their shortage of Samoan players on the squad. Sign him now - - even if you have to pay more than the vet minimum...

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;556233]The Skins need to sign this guy immediately. They need to address their shortage of Samoan players on the squad. Sign him now - - even if you have to pay more than the vet minimum...[/quote]

? Because of the old saying, "Samoans win championships"? :)

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I sure our front office is aware that he is on the market but do they think he could fit our scheme is the question. He does have the game experince at the LB positon so that helps him and he played in a 4-3 defense. He is listed at 6-01 241 on ESPN which is undersized but he plays with heart. If the price is right and he is healthy maybe we should bring him to camp.

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i read that he over runs plays he is kinda wreckless

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Look, the FO is only signing Tinoisamoa if A) Blache thinks he's a better Weak Side LB than Mcintosh (no). B) If we're willing to pay him the money he's asking. (doubt it). And C) Were not in the market for a Weak Side LB, so to me this would be a bad signing. Thats why Rams released him, because they found out he wasn't big enough to play SAM, so to sign him would mean he'd be start at weak side while we're still experimenting at SAM which is still a need. This move wouldn't make sense.

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[quote=vallin21;556277]Look, the FO is only signing Tinoisamoa if A) Blache thinks he's a better Weak Side LB than Mcintosh (no). B) If we're willing to pay him the money he's asking. (doubt it). And C) Were not in the market for a Weak Side LB, so to me this would be a bad signing.[B] Thats why Rams released him, because they found out he wasn't big enough to play SAM, so to sign him would mean he'd be start at weak side while we're still experimenting at SAM which is still a need. This move wouldn't make sense[/B].[/quote]

I agree Vallin. I'm a little weary of trying guys at different positions other than where they excel. Enough of the experimenting already. If you want a SAM, sign a SAM.

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[quote=53Fan;556279]I agree Vallin. I'm a little weary of trying guys at different positions other than where they excel. Enough of the experimenting already. If you want a SAM, sign a SAM.[/quote]

What about Orakpo?

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[quote=WaldSkins;556284]What about Orakpo?[/quote]

I would rather see him at DE. He may turn out to be a good LB, he may not. He's proven at DE and that is where he excelled.

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[quote=53Fan;556279]I agree Vallin. I'm a little weary of trying guys at different positions other than where they excel. Enough of the experimenting already. If you want a SAM, sign a SAM.[/quote]

Couldn't agree more 53. You and I have seen what [B]"experimenting"[/B] has done to this team:doh:

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[quote=53Fan;556290]I would rather see him at DE. He may turn out to be a good LB, he may not. He's proven at DE and that is where he excelled.[/quote]

That's what i was trying to say. Why would you draft the best DE in the draft and move him to LB? I don't know what Blache is thinking.

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We just need to leave Orakpo at DE. (If ain't broke dont fix it!) Let's see if he can hold up at LDE first before switching him to SAM. This will be a [B]HUGE[/B] mistake if Blache goes through with this. Nevertheless, this will be something to watch for during Training Camp.

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[quote=WaldSkins;556299]That's what i was trying to say. Why would you draft the best DE in the draft and move him to LB? I don't know what Blache is thinking.[/quote]

I can understand wanting to keep a good player on the field for as many downs as possible. And I can understand that guys who played DE in college have had some success making the transition to LB such as Marcus Washington. And I understand we need help at SAM. I understand all that, but I would rather play a player at the position he excelled at in college unless his skill set doesn't translate well to the pro game. Jenkins, the DB from Ohio State, may be better suited for safety, so I can understand that. I think Orakpo's skill set fits fine for the NFL at DE. Possibly at LB too, but better at DE IMO. Plus he's a proven commodity at DE. So...I agree with you. I understand what we're trying to do, but I don't necessarily agree with it. We'll see how it goes.

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Yeah Rak is already on the larger, let's say heavily muscled side, for a SLB. Then knowing his penchant for "growth" and working out i think this kid is likely to beef up...sort of how Daniels did through his transition from college to pro. Bottom line i agree w/ those skeptical of throwing Rak into the SLB. I don't care if our 13th overall pick doesn't play every down...i do want to see him become an elite player at his natural position long term. Maybe that's RDE but my intuition is if in a year he's pushing 275lbs and has gotten even stronger Rak will be one of the most dangerous LDEs in the league.

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I would like to see what we have in the Henson and Glenn first.

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[quote=The Goat;556305]Yeah Rak is already on the larger, let's say heavily muscled side, for a SLB. Then knowing his penchant for "growth" and working out i think this kid is likely to beef up...sort of how Daniels did through his transition from college to pro. Bottom line i agree w/ those skeptical of throwing Rak into the SLB. I don't care if our 13th overall pick doesn't play every down...i do want to see him become an elite player at his natural position long term. Maybe that's RDE but my intuition is if in a year he's pushing 275lbs and has gotten even stronger Rak will be one of the most dangerous LDEs in the league.[/quote]I should point out that Daniels was a RE for the first, what, 10 years of his career. He was 32 by the time the Redskins decided to move him off the right side.

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[quote=GTripp0012;556326]I should point out that Daniels was a RE for the first, what, 10 years of his career. He was 32 by the time the Redskins decided to move him off the right side.[/quote]

I thought Daniels was [I]our[/I] LDE ever since we signed him in '04? I could def be wrong but his '05 campaign (8 sacks) was all at LDE right? I think for a season at least Daniels was the complete DE, both stopping the run and getting to the QB.

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[quote=The Goat;556341]I thought Daniels was [I]our[/I] LDE ever since we signed him in '04? I could def be wrong but his '05 campaign (8 sacks) was all at LDE right? I think for a season at least Daniels was the complete DE, both stopping the run and getting to the QB.[/quote]

He signed with us in 2004 and played in 5 games that year. I can't remember if he played right or left DE. I believe we also had Renaldo Wynn and Regan Upshaw that year.