Rank the NFC East teams position by position....
 

Looking at the Redskins, Cowboys, Giants, and Eagles projected lineups as of today how would you rank these teams 1-4 position by position?

Heres my rankings....

[U]QB - 1. Eagles 2. Cowboys 3. Giants 4. Redskins[/U]
I still think McNabb is the best QB in the NFC East. Romo is too up and down to be rated ahead of McNabb but he is better than both Manning and Campbell. I gave Eli a slight edge over Campbell just because of his playoff experience and SB ring. I do think Campbell can move up on this list if he can play well in a contract year.

[U]RB - 1. Cowboys 2. Redskins 3. Eagles 4. Giants[/U]
Its really hard to rank the NFC East RBs. All four teams have talent and you could very easily put the Giants at #1. I put the Boys at the top because of their three headed monster of Barber, Jones, and Choice. I think the Cowboys will get back to the running game this year and it will be huge for them. I put the Skins at #2 because of Portis. When hes healthy and the offensive line shows a pulse hes probably one of the top 3 backs in the game. The combo of Westbrook and McCoy got the edge over Jacobs/Bradshaw/Andre Brown. I do think Andre Brown in a couple years will be a pretty good RB though.

[U]WR/TE - 1. Eagles 2. Cowboys 3. Redskins 4. Giants[/U]
The Eagles get the top spot here because I think their trio of WRs Jackson/Curits/Maclin will be very explosive this year. I also like Celek as a TE who can make some plays. I think hes better than most people think. I put the Cowboys at 2 over the Redskins because I think their WR core is a little better. They both have a nice pair of TEs Witten/Bennett and Cooley/Davis and solid #1s Moss and Roy Dub. I just believe the progression of Thomas and Kelly right now cant match the play of players like Patrick Crayton and Miles Austin. I have the Giants at 4 but in a couple years they will be #1. Young talent alone in the draft in Nicks, Barden, and Beckum should be huge for the Giants down the road. The problem with the Giants is their lack of a #1 WR.

[U]OL - 1. Eagles 2. Cowboys 3. Giants 4. Redskins[/U]
I love the additions the Eagles made to their offensive line this offseason adding Stacy Andrews and Jason Peters. The Cowboys have a very solid offensive line as do the Giants. I put the Skins at 4th just because of injuries that have occured yearly and the hole at RT.

[U]DL - 1. Giants 2. Redskins 3. Cowboys 4. Eagles[/U]
I give the edge to the Giants with all the talent on their line. Osi, Tuck, Canty, Kiwanuka, Robbins, Cofield, Bernard, and Alford. You could build two defensive lines and be effective with that talent. The Redskins finally upgraded their defensive line with the additions of Haynesworth and Orakpo. The Cowboys are also very solid with Ratliff in the middle and Spears/Igor at the two end spots. The Eagles are at 4 but they still have alot of talent and the #4 ranking doesnt do them justice.

[U]LB - 1. Cowboys 2. Giants 3. Redskins 4. Eagles[/U]
The Cowboys with Ware and Co. get the top spot. The Giants made some nice additions with Boley and Sintim. The Redskins have a hole at SLB but Fletcher is one of the top MLB in the game. The Eagles have solid LBs that do their job but I rate them 4th among LBs in the NFC East.

[U]DB - 1. Redskins 2. Eagles 3. Cowboys 4. Giants[/U]
The Redskins have a very good defensive backfield with Rogers, Hall, Smoot, Landry, and Horton. The Eagles have a nice trio of CBs in Samuel, Brown and Hobbs. They lost Dawkins but still have solid Ss in Mikell and Demps. The Cowboys improved alot with the additions of draft picks DeAngelo Smith and Mike Mickens (who was a steal) at CB and Sensabaugh at S. Add that to Newman, Jenkins, Scandrick, and Hamlin and the Cowboys have nice talent and depth in the defensive backfield. The Giants have a nice pair of CBs in Ross and Webster and a nice young S in Kenny Phillips but they are 4th on my list.

[U]SpT - 1. Cowboys 2. Giants 3. Eagles 4. Redskins [/U]
The Cowboys easily have the best SpT with players like Folk and McBriar. The Giants are solid with players like Tynes and Feagles. The Eagles could have found a nice kicker who could unseat Akers in Sam Swank. The Redskins are last with big question marks at kicker and returner.

[U]HC - 1. Eagles 2. Giants 3. Redskins 4. Cowboys [/U]
The Eagles and Giants both have very good coaches in Reid and Coughlin who get the most out of their players. The Skins and Boys both have coaches who are on the hot seat imo in Zorn and Phillips.

[U]OVERALL - 1. Eagles 2. Cowboys 3. Redskins 4. Giants[/U]
The Eagles up and down the board have enough talent to get to yet another NFC Championship Game. The Cowboys and Redskins both are teams who could make the playoffs. I think it will come down to QB play and coaching for them. The Giants have enough talent but I just see a couple question marks that might slow them down this year.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;558453]Looking at the Redskins, Cowboys, Giants, and Eagles projected lineups as of today how would you rank these teams 1-4 position by position?

Heres my rankings....

[U]QB - 1. Eagles 2. Cowboys 3. Giants 4. Redskins[/U]
I still think McNabb is the best QB in the NFC East. Romo is too up and down to be rated ahead of McNabb but he is better than both Manning and Campbell. I gave Eli a slight edge over Campbell just because of his playoff experience and SB ring. I do think Campbell can move up on this list if he can play well in a contract year.

[U]RB - 1. Cowboys 2. Redskins 3. Eagles 4. Giants[/U]
Its really hard to rank the NFC East RBs. All four teams have talent and you could very easily put the Giants at #1. I put the Boys at the top because of their three headed monster of Barber, Jones, and Choice. I think the Cowboys will get back to the running game this year and it will be huge for them. I put the Skins at #2 because of Portis. When hes healthy and the offensive line shows a pulse hes probably one of the top 3 backs in the game. The combo of Westbrook and McCoy got the edge over Jacobs/Bradshaw/Andre Brown. I do think Andre Brown in a couple years will be a pretty good RB though.

[U]WR/TE - 1. Eagles 2. Cowboys 3. Redskins 4. Giants[/U]
The Eagles get the top spot here because I think their trio of WRs Jackson/Curits/Maclin will be very explosive this year. I also like Celek as a TE who can make some plays. I think hes better than most people think. I put the Cowboys at 2 over the Redskins because I think their WR core is a little better. They both have a nice pair of TEs Witten/Bennett and Cooley/Davis and solid #1s Moss and Roy Dub. I just believe the progression of Thomas and Kelly right now cant match the play of players like Patrick Crayton and Miles Austin. I have the Giants at 4 but in a couple years they will be #1. Young talent alone in the draft in Nicks, Barden, and Beckum should be huge for the Giants down the road. The problem with the Giants is their lack of a #1 WR.

[U]OL - 1. Eagles 2. Cowboys 3. Giants 4. Redskins[/U]
I love the additions the Eagles made to their offensive line this offseason adding Stacy Andrews and Jason Peters. The Cowboys have a very solid offensive line as do the Giants. I put the Skins at 4th just because of injuries that have occured yearly and the hole at RT.

[U]DL - 1. Giants 2. Redskins 3. Cowboys 4. Eagles[/U]
I give the edge to the Giants with all the talent on their line. Osi, Tuck, Canty, Kiwanuka, Robbins, Cofield, Bernard, and Alford. You could build two defensive lines and be effective with that talent. The Redskins finally upgraded their defensive line with the additions of Haynesworth and Orakpo. The Cowboys are also very solid with Ratliff in the middle and Spears/Igor at the two end spots. The Eagles are at 4 but they still have alot of talent and the #4 ranking doesnt do them justice.

[U]LB - 1. Cowboys 2. Giants 3. Redskins 4. Eagles[/U]
The Cowboys with Ware and Co. get the top spot. The Giants made some nice additions with Boley and Sintim. The Redskins have a hole at SLB but Fletcher is one of the top MLB in the game. The Eagles have solid LBs that do their job but I rate them 4th among LBs in the NFC East.

[U]DB - 1. Redskins 2. Eagles 3. Cowboys 4. Giants[/U]
The Redskins have a very good defensive backfield with Rogers, Hall, Smoot, Landry, and Horton. The Eagles have a nice trio of CBs in Samuel, Brown and Hobbs. They lost Dawkins but still have solid Ss in Mikell and Demps. The Cowboys improved alot with the additions of draft picks DeAngelo Smith and Mike Mickens (who was a steal) at CB and Sensabaugh at S. Add that to Newman, Jenkins, Scandrick, and Hamlin and the Cowboys have nice talent and depth in the defensive backfield. The Giants have a nice pair of CBs in Ross and Webster and a nice young S in Kenny Phillips but they are 4th on my list.

[U]SpT - 1. Cowboys 2. Giants 3. Eagles 4. Redskins [/U]
The Cowboys easily have the best SpT with players like Folk and McBriar. The Giants are solid with players like Tynes and Feagles. The Eagles could have found a nice kicker who could unseat Akers in Sam Swank. The Redskins are last with big question marks at kicker and returner.

[U]HC - 1. Eagles 2. Giants 3. Redskins 4. Cowboys [/U]
The Eagles and Giants both have very good coaches in Reid and Coughlin who get the most out of their players. The Skins and Boys both have coaches who are on the hot seat imo in Zorn and Phillips.

[U][B]OVERALL - 1. Eagles 2. Cowboys 3. Redskins 4. Giants[/B][/U]
[B]The Eagles up and down the board have enough talent to get to yet another NFC Championship Game. The Cowboys and Redskins both are teams who could make the playoffs. I think it will come down to QB play and coaching for them. The Giants have enough talent but I just see a couple question marks that might slow them down this year.[/quote[/B]]

The Giants have owned us the last few years. I have no idea how you have them 4th. They're a better team then us right now. Period.

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[quote=skinsfan69;558457]The Giants have owned us the last few years. I have no idea how you have them 4th. They're a better team then us right now. Period.[/quote]

The NFC East will be a 4 team race once again this year. Almost any order will look good to some and bad to others. For some reason I just dont like the Giants as much as the other 3 teams in the NFC East.

The Giants may have owned us last year (I dont see how they could of owned us in 2007 since we should of swept them) but even then they really didnt do anything special. The Skins offense just couldnt get it going.

I expect the Skins to be better this year in Zorns 2nd season calling the plays. I also see the Skins defense being better this year with the additions of Haynesworth and Orakpo. I think the Giants will have a harder time scoring this year without Burress and Ward. Those are the main reasons why I have the Skins at 3 and the Giants at 4.

Its just a prediction on my part though and you very easily could be right.

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Eli is going to be throwing to a never ending group of shorter, mediocre receivers this year, so I doubt they'll have a No. 1 rushing offense to save them.

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QB - Eagles/Cowboys/Giants/Redskins
RB - Eagles/Redskins/Giants/Cowboys - This one is really close
WR - Eagles/Cowboys/Redskins/Giants
TE - Cowboys/Redskins/Eagles+Giants
OL - Eagles/Cowboys/Giants/Redskins

DL - Giants/Redskins/Eagles/Cowboys
LB - Don't know enough about this one to pass judgement
DB - Redskins/Eagles/Giants/Cowboys

You can see why the Eagles are considered the favorite to win the division this year.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;558473]


I expect the Skins to be better this year in Zorns 2nd season calling the plays. I also see the Skins defense being better this year with the additions of Haynesworth and Orakpo[B]. I think the Giants will have a harder time scoring this year without Burress and Ward. [/B]Those are the main reasons why I have the Skins at 3 and the Giants at 4.

[/quote]

For some reason though I have a good (bad for us) feeling about Nicks. Sure the guy has a reputation as a prick but he seems like the type of player on the field that could succeed there. Plus he has a guy like Coughlin to keep him in line.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;558473]The NFC East will be a 4 team race once again this year. Almost any order will look good to some and bad to others. For some reason I just dont like the Giants as much as the other 3 teams in the NFC East.

The Giants may have owned us last year (I dont see how they could of owned us in 2007 since we should of swept them) but even then they really didnt do anything special. The Skins offense just couldnt get it going.
.[/quote]

Opinions ....everyone has them,...maybe you should have swept the Giants but ya didn't .I'm trying to understand ....this year hasn't been played so we base our opinions on the last season played,correct,yet the Giants won the divison and had one of the best O lines in the league yet you rank them third ,2 running backs over 1000 yards and we are the worst RB team in your opinion.Romo has'nt won crap and yet you put Eli behind Romo,the only thing I will agree with you on is our WR's and DB's,basicly the rest is .........strickly opinion.

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QB) Eagles/Giants/Campbell/Romo

RB) Giants,/Skins-Eagles/cowboys

OL)Giants /Eagle/Cowboys/Skins

WR) Skins/Cowboys/Giants/Eagles

TE) Cowboys/Giants/Skin/Eagles

Punter) Giants/Cowboys/Skins/Eagles

PK) Giants/Eagles/Skins/Cowboys

DL) Giants/Cowboys/Eagles/Skins

LB)Cowboys,Eagles/Giants/Skins

DB) Skins,Eagles/Giants/Cowboys

Safety)Eagles/Skins/Cowboys/Giants

Coaching) Reid/Coughlin/Phillips/Zorn

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my rankongs:
0FF;
QB- 1)giants 2) eagles 3)cowboys 4)skins

RB- 1)skins 2) cowboys 3)giants 4)eagles

WR- 1) eagles 2) cowboys 3)skins 4)giants

OL- 1)giants 2)eagles 3) cowboys 4)skins

DEF

DL- 1) giants 2)cowboys 3)skins 4)eagles

LB- 1) giants 2)eagles 3)cowboys 4) skins

DB- 1)skins 2)eagles 3) giants 4) cowboys

overall-- 1)giants 2) eagles 3)cowboys 4)skins

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Giantone, a couple questions:
What puts Phillips above Zorn in coaching? Are you giving preference to experience? I would rank WP at the bottom of the HC's even with Zorn's inexperience. WP has a long track record as a coach, unable to win when the games "counted". Zorn's play
calling and coaching both were decent last year, and should improve. I agree with Reid and Coughlin being better than both.

Also you rank Dallas too low :vomit: on place kicking/special teams. They have solid Kickers, and Felix Jones if healthy will be a weapon on STs.

The Giants lost Ward and Plaxico, those are two heavy blows in critical positions. I think they would be either last or tied for last in the running back position despite last years success.

Finally, how can the Giants TE position be above the Skins? Not sure I get that one at all.

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Summer is the time for dreams, i suppose. I'm going in with ZERO expectations this year, just like last year.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;558500]Giantone, a couple questions:
What puts Phillips above Zorn in coaching? Are you giving preference to experience? I would rank WP at the bottom of the HC's even with Zorn's inexperience. WP has a long track record as a coach, unable to win when the games "counted". Zorn's play
calling and coaching both were decent last year, and should improve. I agree with Reid and Coughlin being better than both.

Also you rank Dallas too low :vomit: on place kicking/special teams. They have solid Kickers, and Felix Jones if healthy will be a weapon on STs.

The Giants lost Ward and Plaxico, those are two heavy blows in critical positions. I think they would be either last or tied for last in the running back position despite last years success.

Finally, how can the Giants TE position be above the Skins? Not sure I get that one at all.[/quote]


I like Zorn , give him some time and he'll be very,very good.Phillips has had some more sucsess.
As for Dallas kickers ...they lost their punter in the Cardinal game and the PK had some chips he missed.
Your'e right about the Giants missing those two ,but as I said I can't predict the future so I base my opinions (only opinions) on last year.
I LOVE Cooley(his Heart),yet he had more fumbles and I don't think he blocks as well as Boss.

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[quote=Giantone;558502]I like Zorn , give him some time and he'll be very,very good.Phillips has had some more sucsess.
As for Dallas kickers ...they lost their punter in the Cardinal game and the PK had some chips he missed.
Your'e right about the Giants missing those two ,but as I said I can't predict the future so I base my opinions (only opinions) on last year.
I LOVE Cooley(his Heart),yet he had more fumbles and I don't think he blocks as well as Boss.[/quote]

I think Wade's success is limited to regular season, and usually with teams built by others. But I can accept Zorn has not proven much more either, and we can't know if he learned from last year.

I know you can't predict the future, but the rankings should reflect actual losses. Just like the Skins DBs lost Springs, and will be lessened in pure coverage skills, I think the Giants loss of Ward will lessen their running attack. He was an important part of your 3 prong attack.

Cooley may have had more fumbles last year, but it was only because we rely so heavily on him in critical situations that it was so noticeable (my opinion). Don't know enough about Boss' blocking, but I would certainly take our group of TE's over any other group in the East.

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[B]QB-Philly, NYG, Washington, Dallas[/B]; Romo takes a big step backwards without T.O. and Campbell takes a big step forward. McNabb is far and away the best in the division.

[B]RB-Dallas, Washington, NYG, Philly[/B]; Barber, Jones and Choice could all start for some teams. Portis puts up his normal 1,300-11 TD season.

[B]WR-Washington, Philly, Dallas, NYG[/B]; Surprisingly I feel like we have the fewest questions at WR. Philly and NY are putting a lot of faith in rookies and in Dallas, Roy Williams hasn't proven anything to show he's going to be a reliable #1.
[B]
TE-Dallas, Washington, Philly, NYG[/B]; Witten is one of the best in the game, Cooley not far behind him. The drop off is precipitous after those two.
[B]
OL-NYG, Philly, Washington, Dallas[/B]; Why Washington over Dallas? They are actually OLDER and more injury prone than our OL. I like Dockery coming back and think Heyer will solve our RT questions.
[B]
DL-NYG, Dallas, Washington, Philly[/B]; With Osi coming back the Giants are going to be really scary up front. Haynesworth helps but you can count on him and Griff missing 2-4 games each year so you've got to discount them somewhat.
[B]
LB-Dallas, NYG, Washington, Philly[/B]; Ware is the best pass rusher in the league, NYG have 3 solid starters and decent depth.

[B]CB-Washington, Philly, Dallas, NYG[/B]; Hall and Rogers are slightly better than Samuels and Hobbs. Dallas is counting on development in the 2nd year from some players and NYG is solid but not great.

[B]S-Washington, NYG, Dallas, Philly[/B]; Landry/Horton/Moore puts them above the rest of the division. Probably our strongest unit.

[B]ST-Philly, Dallas, NYG Washington[/B]; DeSean Jackson is the difference maker here. Dallas has the best kicker/punter combo, we've still got question marks at K and in the return game.

[B]Coaches-NYG, Philly, Washington, Dallas[/B]; Pretty simple Coughlin won a SB, Reid has been to a Super Bowl, I like Zorn in his 2nd year more than Phillips who is the most obvious lame duck in the NFL.
[B]
Overall-NYG, Washington, Philly, Dallas[/B]; The Giants are still the class of the division until proven otherwise. I expect improvement in year 2 of Zorn's offense and the additions to our defense should make us more dangerous in terms of sacks and turnovers. Philly was dead in the water last November before making a nice run but over the last 4 years they are only one game better than us in the W-L column. Dallas lost their best player on offense, didn't do much in FA or the draft and have the look of an overrated 6-10 bust.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;558480]QB - Eagles/Cowboys/Giants/Redskins
RB - Eagles/Redskins/Giants/Cowboys - This one is really close
WR - Eagles/Cowboys/Redskins/Giants
TE - Cowboys/Redskins/Eagles+Giants
OL - Eagles/Cowboys/Giants/Redskins

DL - Giants/Redskins/Eagles/Cowboys
LB - Don't know enough about this one to pass judgement
DB - Redskins/Eagles/Giants/Cowboys

You can see why the Eagles are considered the favorite to win the division this year.[/quote]

So everyone thinks Jeremy Maclin makes the Eagles have the best WR corp in the division, maybe the fastest but not the best.

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this thread is exhausting...

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[quote=Paintrain;558504][B]QB-Philly, NYG, Washington, Dallas[/B]; Romo takes a big step backwards without T.O. and Campbell takes a big step forward. McNabb is far and away the best in the division.

[B]RB-Dallas, Washington, NYG, Philly[/B]; Barber, Jones and Choice could all start for some teams. Portis puts up his normal 1,300-11 TD season.

[B]WR-Washington, Philly, Dallas, NYG[/B]; Surprisingly I feel like we have the fewest questions at WR. Philly and NY are putting a lot of faith in rookies and in Dallas, Roy Williams hasn't proven anything to show he's going to be a reliable #1.
[B]
TE-Dallas, Washington, Philly, NYG[/B]; Witten is one of the best in the game, Cooley not far behind him. The drop off is precipitous after those two.
[B]
OL-NYG, Philly, Washington, Dallas[/B]; Why Washington over Dallas? They are actually OLDER and more injury prone than our OL. I like Dockery coming back and think Heyer will solve our RT questions.
[B]
DL-NYG, Dallas, Washington, Philly[/B]; With Osi coming back the Giants are going to be really scary up front. Haynesworth helps but you can count on him and Griff missing 2-4 games each year so you've got to discount them somewhat.
[B]
LB-Dallas, NYG, Washington, Philly[/B]; Ware is the best pass rusher in the league, NYG have 3 solid starters and decent depth.

[B]CB-Washington, Philly, Dallas, NYG[/B]; Hall and Rogers are slightly better than Samuels and Hobbs. Dallas is counting on development in the 2nd year from some players and NYG is solid but not great.

[B]S-Washington, NYG, Dallas, Philly[/B]; Landry/Horton/Moore puts them above the rest of the division. Probably our strongest unit.

[B]ST-Philly, Dallas, NYG Washington[/B]; DeSean Jackson is the difference maker here. Dallas has the best kicker/punter combo, we've still got question marks at K and in the return game.

[B]Coaches-NYG, Philly, Washington, Dallas[/B]; Pretty simple Coughlin won a SB, Reid has been to a Super Bowl, I like Zorn in his 2nd year more than Phillips who is the most obvious lame duck in the NFL.
[B]
Overall-NYG, Washington, Philly, Dallas[/B]; The Giants are still the class of the division until proven otherwise. I expect improvement in year 2 of Zorn's offense and the additions to our defense should make us more dangerous in terms of sacks and turnovers. Philly was dead in the water last November before making a nice run but over the last 4 years they are only one game better than us in the W-L column. Dallas lost their best player on offense, didn't do much in FA or the draft and have the look of an overrated 6-10 bust.[/quote]

I really think you nailed it.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;558506]So everyone thinks Jeremy Maclin makes the Eagles have the best WR corp in the division, maybe the fastest but not the best.[/quote]

I heard a lot of analysts say that he's going to have to learn how to run routes in the NFL and no-one really considered him a prototypical WCO receiver. Somehow though once he got drafted he's an instant Pro-Bowler if you listen to the ESPN & NFL radio talking heads.

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This thread takes way too much thinking. I don't get why you rank Romo over Eli when Romo has never won a playoff game and Eli really came on strong in the playoffs and the SB. You have to remember that pass when Eli was all but sacked and some how got away and got the ball to hisWR who made a hugh catch. Then in the final minutes hit Mr shot myself with the winning TD. I know Eli has look bad at times but when it counted he did his job and Romo two times has failed his team.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;558511]I really think you nailed it.[/quote]

I agree...mainly because I don't feel like typing so much

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;558506]So everyone thinks Jeremy Maclin makes the Eagles have the best WR corp in the division, maybe the fastest but not the best.[/quote]

More DeSean Jackson but Maclin helps. Still part of it relates to how there isn't much competition at this spot among the 4 teams.

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[B]QB: Dallas, Philadelphia, Washington, NY Giants[/B] I believe that, looking at the careers of Campbell and of Eli, that Campbell is already the better of the two. Sure, Eli's 2008 was the best season either of them had, but that looks like an anomaly in his career numbers. I also think that Campbell can be better than McNabb, very, very soon, but out of respect to the established player, Campbell takes a back seat for now.
[B]
RB: Dallas, Philadelphia, NY Giants, Washington[/B] I'd take Portis over Jacobs, but it's close enough to the point where the depth favors the Giants.

[B]WR: Philadelphia, Dallas, Washington, NY Giants[/B] Again, really close between the G-men and the Skins (both will rely heavily on young receiving), but as inconsistent as Santana is, he'd be the best WR on the Giants.

[B]TE: Dallas, Washington, Philadelphia, NY Giants[/B] Both Dallas and Washington go two deep with starting caliber players, but Witten might be the best TE in football.

[B]OT: Philadelphia, NY Giants, Washington, Dallas[/B] God, when will people realize that Flozell Adams is quite terrible.

[B]OG: NY Giants, Philadelphia, Dallas, Washington[/B] Putting this in perspective, the Cowboys are paying a lot of money to Leonard Davis to stabilize this position. He's no Chris Snee or Shawn Andrews though.

[B]C: NY Giants, Dallas, Philadelphia, Washington[/B] I don't think Jammal Jackson or Andre Gurode is all that at Center, but the other two are getting up there in age.

[B]DT: Washington, NY Giants, Philadelphia, Dallas[/B] This is a great DT division. Best in the league, and it's really not even close. We're the best, though.

[B]DE: NY Giants, Philadelphia, Washington, Dallas[/B] I realize Dallas is a 3-4, but man, they get zero push from this position.

[B]OLB: Dallas, Washington, NY Giants, Philadelphia[/B] Demarcus Ware is really the only player of note at this position in the entire division.

[B]MLB: Philadelphia, Washington, NY Giants, Dallas[/B] It was very close between Fletcher and Pierce, but age is being much harder on Pierce than it has been on Fletch.

[B]CB: Washington, NY Giants, Philadelphia, Dallas[/B] Dallas' best No. 2 might end up being one of their rookies. Very strong position across the board in this division.

[B]S: Washington, NY Giants, Philadelphia, Dallas[/B] This ranking is predicated on Landry having a better year than Kenny Phillips.

[B]Special Teams: Dallas, Philadelphia, NY Giants, Washington[/B] Punting situation should be much improved this year, but they have a long way to go after last year.

[B]Overall: Philadelphia, Washington, NY Giants, Dallas[/B]

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GTripp, I am surprised you have Romo as the best qb in the division. I think he is highly overrated, and while his numbers impress, the loss of TO will really highlight his flaws. I would not be shocked for his INTS to skyrocket and his TD's plummet this year.

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[quote=GTripp0012;558539][B]QB: Dallas, Philadelphia, Washington, NY Giants[/B] I believe that, looking at the careers of Campbell and of Eli, that Campbell is already the better of the two. Sure, Eli's 2008 was the best season either of them had, but that looks like an anomaly in his career numbers. I also think that Campbell can be better than McNabb, very, very soon, but out of respect to the established player, Campbell takes a back seat for now.

[B]RB: Dallas, Philadelphia, NY Giants, Washington[/B] I'd take Portis over Jacobs, but it's close enough to the point where the depth favors the Giants.

[B]WR: Philadelphia, Dallas, Washington, NY Giants[/B] Again, really close between the G-men and the Skins (both will rely heavily on young receiving), but as inconsistent as Santana is, he'd be the best WR on the Giants.

[B]TE: Dallas, Washington, Philadelphia, NY Giants[/B] Both Dallas and Washington go two deep with starting caliber players, but Witten might be the best TE in football.

[B]OT: Philadelphia, NY Giants, Washington, Dallas[/B] God, when will people realize that Flozell Adams is quite terrible.

[B]OG: NY Giants, Philadelphia, Dallas, Washington[/B] Putting this in perspective, the Cowboys are paying a lot of money to Leonard Davis to stabilize this position. He's no Chris Snee or Shawn Andrews though.

[B]C: NY Giants, Dallas, Philadelphia, Washington[/B] I don't think Jammal Jackson or Andre Gurode is all that at Center, but the other two are getting up there in age.

[B]DT: Washington, NY Giants, Philadelphia, Dallas[/B] This is a great DT division. Best in the league, and it's really not even close. We're the best, though.

[B]DE: NY Giants, Philadelphia, Washington, Dallas[/B] I realize Dallas is a 3-4, but man, they get zero push from this position.

[B]OLB: Dallas, Washington, NY Giants, Philadelphia[/B] Demarcus Ware is really the only player of note at this position in the entire division.

[B]MLB: Philadelphia, Washington, NY Giants, Dallas[/B] It was very close between Fletcher and Pierce, but age is being much harder on Pierce than it has been on Fletch.

[B]CB: Washington, NY Giants, Philadelphia, Dallas[/B] Dallas' best No. 2 might end up being one of their rookies. Very strong position across the board in this division.

[B]S: Washington, NY Giants, Philadelphia, Dallas[/B] This ranking is predicated on Landry having a better year than Kenny Phillips.

[B]Special Teams: Dallas, Philadelphia, NY Giants, Washington[/B] Punting situation should be much improved this year, but they have a long way to go after last year.

[B]Overall: Philadelphia, Washington, NY Giants, Dallas[/B][/quote]
I hope your right and JC can become a better QB then McNabb but I think you have been smoking crack. LOL

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[B]QB: Redskins, Eagles, Giants, Cowboys[/B]
You can save this thread because I am predicting Campbell is gonna make the quantum leap this year. He will be the QB that he was in the first half of last season, but this time it will last the whole season. McNabb because of age will slip, he will not have the mobility or arm strength that he had in the past. Eli and Romo have lost thier number 1 recievers and that will have a tremendous effect on the how defenses play them.

[B]RB: Giants, Cowboys, Redskins, Eagles[/B]
This position is what makes the Giants go and the last time I checked they still have a 6-4 265 pound beast in Jacobs playin on that team. They only lost one piece of the 3 headed monster, and it wasn't the most important piece. The Boys have a lot of talent, the skins backs are aging. Although the eagles drafted a great running back I don't put much stock in rookies, history has shown that they either get injured or have so/so years.
[B]WR: Skins, Cowboys, Giants, Eagles [/B]
If DT and MK step up this is a very dangerous group, they have size, speed, and talent. Hopefully we will live up to it. Cowboys have Williams who is better than other number 1 WR's in the division. Eagles have talent but they lack maturity. Giants look lost on paper
[B]TE: Redskins, Cowboys, Giant Eagles[/B]
I put the redskins first because they got the depth and talent at the position. Whitten is great for the boys. Boss is okay, and I dont even know who the eagles have.
[B]OL: Giants, Cowboys, Eagles, Skins[/B]
This area was the downfall of the skins and until they show progress I have to put them last. The Giants lines are what brought them a championship. Boys have the biggest line in football, and the eagles are a question mark.
[B]DL: Redskins, Giants, Cowboys, Eagles[/B]
Haynesworth is a difference maker. we will see a major difference in our line. Giants have a great amount of talent on their line, I believe however the loss of Spags will have the biggest effect on this group. Boy have a good line. Eagles whole defense is in jepordy with the health of their coordinator, i feel he is the heart of this defense.
[B]LB: Cowboys, Skins, Giants, Eagles[/B]
Cowboys have one of the best in Ware, and I think Brooking is a good pickup. Skins Fletcher, McIntosh, & Orakpo looks good on paper. Giants are pretty good with Pierce, and the eagles need to develop.
[B]Secondary: Skins, Eagles, Giants, Cowboys[/B]
[B]Special teams: Eagles, Cowboys, Giants, Skins[/B]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;558542]GTripp, I am surprised you have Romo as the best qb in the division. I think he is highly overrated, and while his numbers impress, the loss of TO will really highlight his flaws. I would not be shocked for his INTS to skyrocket and his TD's plummet this year.[/quote]I would be shocked if he posted something totally out of line with his career numbers this year. He's been in his prime for awhile now (he's 29), so I don't see him getting much better than he is now.

When I break down Romo's passes from last year, the trends are startling. Almost zero of his most valuable completions went to wide receivers. Consistently, Romo was best throwing to his tight ends and backs. Little things like that tend to be the mark of good quarterbacking.

If Campbell explodes this year, I expect to see a similar trend: Cooley and Fred Davis with tons of positive value plays, a great receiving year from Portis, quality contributions from Betts and Sellers, and then the status quo from the WRs.

That should yield the breakout, as long as the status quo with the WRs looks something more like a set of standard NFL receivers, and less like whatever last year's impersonation was.

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Romo's QB ratings in his three years are 95.1, 97.4, and 91.4, so he's definately going to hang around in the top ten for some time.

Eli has 77.0, 73.9, and 86.4 over the same timeframe.
McNabb has 95.5, 89.9, and 86.4 despite a gradually improving supporting cast. He's in decline.
And Campbell: 76.5, 77.6, and 84.3, or pretty much exactly Eli, but with a declining cast.

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[quote=Giantone;558497]
WR) Skins/Cowboys/Giants/Eagles
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Oh boy....did you just rank the Skins WR the top in the NFC east?
you are obviously not a redskins fan...nor have you watched them enough to realize our issues

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[quote=Giantone;558496]Opinions ....everyone has them,...maybe you should have swept the Giants but ya didn't .I'm trying to understand ....this year hasn't been played so we base our opinions on the last season played,correct,yet the Giants won the divison and had one of the best O lines in the league yet you rank them third ,2 running backs over 1000 yards and we are the worst RB team in your opinion.Romo has'nt won crap and yet you put Eli behind Romo,the only thing I will agree with you on is our WR's and DB's,basicly the rest is .........strickly opinion.[/quote]

Yes we should of swept them in 2007. We didnt I know this. I only said it because I didnt think a comment like the Giants have owned the Redskins over the last few years made any sense to me if you actually look at the games.

I rank my players and positions on alot of different factors. Yes the Giants won the division last year but last time I checked teams have made roster moves since the end of the 2008 season.

The Eagles offensive line should be great this year with the additions they have made. The Cowboys or Giants you could flip a coin on. They both have solid lines. I decided to give the Cowboys the edge.

Yes the Giants had two 1000 yard backs last year but last time I checked one of them plays for the Tampa Bay Bucs now. With Felix Jones healthy to pair with Marion Barber I gave the Cowboys 1. I think the Skins with Portis and the Eagles with Westbrook are better than Brandon Jacobs.

Yes Romo hasnt won crap but if you want to get into the nitty gritty Eli was carried to his SB win. Hell he got two gifts by the Patriots on the GW drive in that game. (Dont get me wrong I was so happy when the Pats lost im just saying that Eli didnt win it for them) I think Romo has way more ability and honestly hes the better QB.

No doubt everything I have ranked in my OP is opinion. Its nothing personal against the Giants. If it was personal id have the Eagles at 3 and the Cowboys at 4. I hate them both alot more than the Giants. :)

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[quote=firstdown;558527]This thread takes way too much thinking. I don't get why you rank Romo over Eli when Romo has never won a playoff game and Eli really came on strong in the playoffs and the SB. You have to remember that pass when Eli was all but sacked and some how got away and got the ball to hisWR who made a hugh catch. Then in the final minutes hit Mr shot myself with the winning TD. I know Eli has look bad at times but when it counted he did his job and Romo two times has failed his team.[/quote]

I honestly think Romo is far and away a better QB than Eli Manning. If you put Romo on that Giants team that year they win the SB and actually score more points. Last year I think Romo also played better than Eli.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;558542]GTripp, I am surprised you have Romo as the best qb in the division. I think he is highly overrated, and while his numbers impress, the loss of TO will really highlight his flaws. I would not be shocked for his INTS to skyrocket and his TD's plummet this year.[/quote]

They could. Or if the Cowboys run the ball with Barber/Jones and set up the pass Romo may actually have a Pro Bowl season without TO. Hes still got enough weapons around him and with a new found get back to the running game attack I actually see his INTs going down while his TDs remain close to the same.

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QB-Eagles/Giants/Cowboys/Redskins(Manning maybe the least talented,but has gotten it done for one post-season)
RB-Cowboys/Eagles/Redskins/Giants(Cowboys are the deepest and the Giants are last because I think that the real strength is the O-Line)
WR-Eagles/Redskins/Cowboys/Giants
TE-Cowboys/Redskins/Giants/Eagles
OL-Giants/Eagles/Cowboys/Redskins
DL-Giants/Redskins/Eagles/Cowboys
LB-Cowboys/Eagles/Giants/Redskins
CB-Eagles/Redskins/Cowboys/Giants
S-Redskins/Eagles/Giants/Cowboys
ST-Eagles/Cowboys/Giants/Redskins

These are ranking positions and do not for the most part equate into who is the best team and these will of course change as the season takes shape.
Each team has their share of question marks,but the division as a whole is the best in the league(from top to bottom).

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[quote=skinsnut;558549]Oh boy....did you just rank the Skins WR the top in the NFC east?
you are obviously not a redskins fan...nor have you watched them enough to realize our issues[/quote]

Who in the division has fewer questions at the WR position than we do?

Here are the top 3 returning WR for each team in the division from last year:
NYG-Smith (57 catches), Hixon (43 catches), Moss (12 catches) total 5 TD
Philly-Jackson (62 catches), Curtis (33 catches), Baskett (33 catches) total 7 TD
Dallas-Crayton (39 catches), R. Williams (19 catches), Austin (13 catches) total 8 TD
Wash-Moss (79 catches), Randle-El (53 catches), Thomas (15 catches) total 10 TD

NYG and Dallas are replacing their #1 WR (NYG is replacing #1 and #2) and the NYG and Eagles are counting on rookie WR to come in immediately and contribute. To me it's not really even close.

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[quote=Paintrain;558565]Who in the division has fewer questions at the WR position than we do? [/quote]Fewer [I]questions[/I]? Everyone. Our weakness at WR is not that we don't have skilled players at the position, it's that we have no idea where we can expect the production to come from this year.

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[quote=Paintrain;558565]Who in the division has fewer questions at the WR position than we do?

Here are the top 3 returning WR for each team in the division from last year:
NYG-Smith (57 catches), Hixon (43 catches), Moss (12 catches) total 5 TD
Philly-Jackson (62 catches), Curtis (33 catches), Baskett (33 catches) total 7 TD
Dallas-Crayton (39 catches), R. Williams (19 catches), Austin (13 catches) total 8 TD
Wash-Moss (79 catches), Randle-El (53 catches), Thomas (15 catches) total 10 TD

NYG and Dallas are replacing their #1 WR (NYG is replacing #1 and #2) and the NYG and Eagles are counting on rookie WR to come in immediately and contribute. To me it's not really even close.[/quote]

I understand your reasoning and it could be spot on. The only question I have is do you think Maclin can play the slot? With DeSean Jackson playing well last year and Curtis now healthy putting Maclin in the slot makes each player more explosive on offense. I dont think it will be too hard for Maclin to come in and play the slot WR role and make a impact.

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[quote=pick-ups;558563]QB-Eagles/Giants/Cowboys/Redskins
RB-Cowboys/Eagles/Redskins/Giants
WR-Eagles/Redskins/Cowboys/Giants
TE-Cowboys/Redskins/Giants/Eagles
OL-Giants/Eagles/Cowboys/Redskins
DL-Giants/Redskins/Eagles/Cowboys
LB-Cowboys/Eagles/Giants/Redskins
CB-Eagles/Redskins/Cowboys/Giants
S-Redskins/Eagles/Giants/Cowboys
ST-Eagles/Cowboys/Giants/Redskins[/quote]

Pretty solid rankings for a Eagle fan. :)

Gtripp and Paintrain's rankings were also well thought out and very nice imo.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;558557]I honestly think Romo is far and away a better QB than Eli Manning. If you put Romo on that Giants team that year they win the SB and actually score more points. Last year I think Romo also played better than Eli.[/quote]
according to you Romo played with a better team anyway last year and couldn't win a thing yet I suppose to believe he could turn the Giants around................................ahhh no!Time and time again Romo has been in presure situations and choke ....his QB ranking means squat.Can he win a big game,can he put a team on his back,McNabb has done it,Eli has done it and I believe Campbell can do it,Romo .....nope.

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[quote=GTripp0012;558572]Fewer [I]questions[/I]? Everyone. Our weakness at WR is not that we don't have skilled players at the position, it's that we have no idea where we can expect the production to come from this year.[/quote]
I disagree , your wideouts were fine last year till your O line ...well got desimated and couldn't protect the QB.That affected eveything,the run game then the passing game.

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[quote=Giantone;558577]according to you Romo played with a better team anyway last year and couldn't win a thing yet I suppose to believe he could turn the Giants around................................ahhh no!Time and time again Romo has been in presure situations and choke ....his QB ranking means squat.Can he win a big game,can he put a team on his back,McNabb has done it,Eli has done it and I believe Campbell can do it,Romo .....nope.[/quote]

Romo has been surrounded by tons of talent and has come up short in both attempts.

A botched FG attempt(his fault)against the Seahawks.
An INT in the endzone to seal the win for the Giants.

Both games were ultimately lost with his hands on the ball.

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[quote=GTripp0012;558572]Fewer [I]questions[/I]? Everyone. Our weakness at WR is not that we don't have skilled players at the position, it's that we have no idea where we can expect the production to come from this year.[/quote]
And how is that different than each team in the division? The difference to me is we are returning better players than anyone else and/or aren't counting on rookies/new players to significantly contribute.

The Giants have to replace Plaxico as a consistent WR and their main red zone weapon. They have to replace Toomer who was productive in moving the chains. They are counting on 2 rookies to do that. Smith is a solid #2 but he's no #1. Hixon has potential but he disappears often. Moss may not even make the team.

Philly has the same problem we had going into last year. All of their WR are of similar size and skill set. Jackson, Curtis and Baskett are all burners, not chain movers. That's where they used Westbrook and Celek. Now Maclin, who is going to have to learn an NFL passing tree, is supposed to come in and be a top contributor? I don't really see it.

Dallas has the MOST questions because they lost the best WR in the division from last year. Hate him or not, 67 catches, 1,000+ yards and 10 TD doesn't go un-missed. That's pretty significant to try to replace. R. Williams had one good year, one, and that was with Mike Martz calling the plays. Crayton and Austin don't scare anyone, at all. They made no additions to their WR corp and are expecting Williams to jump by 50+ receptions to be a #1? Shaky at best.

I think it's clear. Moss will produce like always, Randle El will produce similar to last year and if Thomas doubles his production (not a stretch based on all offseason reports) then we should have the class of the division at WR this year.