5 Ala. officers fired for beating caught on tape
 

Here we go again...

You'd think after so many dirty cops have been caught doing this others would think twice about it.

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We need to actually see the beating for this to be an interesting subject

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Here is what happens in jail if you kill a cop.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZfHZtI_dls&feature=related]YouTube - Cop shooter gets beat down before court appearance[/ame]

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hard to feel bad for someone that shoots someone in the face, point blank. i hate to say it, but he got what he deserved

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[quote=dmek25;558950]hard to feel bad for someone that shoots someone in the face, point blank. i hate to say it, but he got what he deserved[/quote]

In my opinion he got off easy. He should have been shot point blank in the face, then the punishment would really fit the crime.

His mom's reaction was pathetic: "look what they did to him! brutality!" Umm, lady, your son shot and innocent man in the face.

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Notice that this always happens after a police chase... good manners not to piss people off with authority and weapons.

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And people say that cops don't conspire or abuse their power? :yeahright

I don't know why this would surprise anyone. Cops abuse their powers everyday, whether it be the way they change lanes on the highways or the cover-ups to hide racism & hatred they spread through violence like this.

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[quote=dmek25;558950]hard to feel bad for someone that shoots someone in the face, point blank. i hate to say it, but he got what he deserved[/quote]

I don't know what side of the debate you are on, but I thought we don't torture in America.

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im against torture. that wasn't torture. he is lucky those cops didnt cut his balls off, and put them in his mouth

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[quote=dmek25;559047]im against torture. that wasn't torture. he is lucky those cops didnt cut his balls off, and put them in his mouth[/quote]
Is your definition of torture - brutality used to get information.
What differentiates police brutality from torture?

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It AMAZES me how some people instantly blame cops for everything! This is a classic case of a person NOT FOLLOWING THE LAWS and being chased by police, and when the Police do something (which has been deemed as FOLLOWING TRAINING) people are up in arms???? WTF??? People should be upset at the man trying to EVADE POLICE and WRECKLESS DRIVING, not the people that were trying to stop it. What that man that evaded police did, could be thought of as attempted murder!!!! Yet the cop is on trial???? That is wrong!
Do you people that have a problem with this have any idea what it takes to be a police officer???

Yes, there are SOME cops that abuse power, 99% do not! They have one of the toughest jobs on the planet. If you do what they ask, you have no problem. It's the law people! Follow the law and guess what? NO PROBLEMS! If you evade police and go on a wild chase, you derserve ANYTHING you get. Maybe the law should be the cops can shoot with deadly force, then we won't have these issues.

I commend the police for putting up with what they do. Some people have problems with police because of their own issues...shame on those people.

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[quote=dmek25;559047]im against torture. that wasn't torture. he is lucky those cops didnt cut his balls off, and put them in his mouth[/quote]

Put them in who's mouth??? LOL.

I agree with you 100%!

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As Chris Rock says...if cops are chasing they're bringing an ass whooping with 'em.

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[quote=FRPLG;559165]As Chris Rock says...if cops are chasing they're bringing an ass whooping with 'em.[/quote]

I wish that was correct, cause if you're running, you derserve the ass whooping!

The problem is when the person REQUIRES to be chased! Let's keep the blame where it belongs, with the moron running!

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[quote=jsarno;559162]It AMAZES me how some people instantly blame cops for everything! This is a classic case of a person NOT FOLLOWING THE LAWS and being chased by police, and when the Police do something (which has been deemed as FOLLOWING TRAINING) people are up in arms???? WTF??? People should be upset at the man trying to EVADE POLICE and WRECKLESS DRIVING, not the people that were trying to stop it. What that man that evaded police did, could be thought of as attempted murder!!!! Yet the cop is on trial???? That is wrong!
Do you people that have a problem with this have any idea what it takes to be a police officer???

Yes, there are SOME cops that abuse power, 99% do not! They have one of the toughest jobs on the planet. If you do what they ask, you have no problem. It's the law people! Follow the law and guess what? NO PROBLEMS! If you evade police and go on a wild chase, you derserve ANYTHING you get. Maybe the law should be the cops can shoot with deadly force, then we won't have these issues.

I commend the police for putting up with what they do. Some people have problems with police because of their own issues...shame on those people.[/quote]


I agree with most of what you are saying and at one time I believed that the U.S. should give our police forces the same freedom to apprehend criminals that the German government gives the Polizi. The Germans are allowed to beat the piss out of you immediately, apprehend you, then ask questions later. This is due to the fact that their insurance basically states that they must do everything within their power to
[FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Verdana]detain the suspects to be covered medically in the event of a disaster. The reason that this would not work in the U.S. is because of the level of professionalism associated with the Polizi as opposed to our Police forces. Simply put, we have officers that have absolutely no right being a police officer. Telling them to do everything in their power to apprehend suspects would fuel some seriously excessive force.[/FONT] [/FONT]

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[quote=Angry;559169]I agree with most of what you are saying and at one time I believed that the U.S. should give our police forces the same freedom to apprehend criminals that the German government gives the Polizi. The Germans are allowed to beat the piss out of you immediately, apprehend you, then ask questions later. This is due to the fact that their insurance basically states that they must do everything within their power to
[FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Verdana]detain the suspects to be covered medically in the event of a disaster. The reason that this would not work in the U.S. is because of the level of professionalism associated with the Polizi as opposed to our Police forces. Simply put, we have officers that have absolutely no right being a police officer. Telling them to do everything in their power to apprehend suspects would fuel some seriously excessive force.[/FONT] [/FONT][/quote]

You make a good point...so what would be your suggestion?

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Hmmm they should have shown the face of the guy that got shoot in the face too that mother. I bet she would have thought her sons face looked much better after viewing that. If my son kills another innocent person for no reason, I pretty much would disown him.

BTW- This is Elliot in the Mornings milk jug face that he is always talking about.

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[quote=jsarno;559171]You make a good point...so what would be your suggestion?[/quote]

I don't know that there is one outside of paying officers more money and being more picky about the screning process. Even then some bad apples will slip through the cracks.

The major problem with Police as I have said before is the lack of professionalism. When you have to use force, use only the amount necessary to neutralize your target up to and including deadly force. Once you have him aprehended, detained, neutralized or whatever you want to call it, then there is no more need to keep whoopin his ass. In other words as soon as the guy was laying on the ground unconcious you give him a swift kick in the nuts...if he is unresponsive then you do not need to keep whaling on him. If he was responsive you just made sure that he was unarmed and you can proceed to putting the jewlry on him. If he resists... hit him again. In other words one blow per instance of resistance. Officers in these situations however get too emotionally attached when one of these idiots hurts on of their own and they just excessively beat the man in a vigilant fashion. Obviously this is excessive and wrong because emotion has taken over.

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[quote=jsarno;559162]It AMAZES me how some people instantly blame cops for everything! This is a classic case of a person NOT FOLLOWING THE LAWS and being chased by police, and when the Police do something (which has been deemed as FOLLOWING TRAINING) people are up in arms???? WTF??? People should be upset at the man trying to EVADE POLICE and WRECKLESS DRIVING, not the people that were trying to stop it. What that man that evaded police did, could be thought of as attempted murder!!!! Yet the cop is on trial???? That is wrong!
Do you people that have a problem with this have any idea what it takes to be a police officer???

Yes, there are SOME cops that abuse power, 99% do not! They have one of the toughest jobs on the planet. If you do what they ask, you have no problem. It's the law people! [SIZE=4]Follow the law and guess what? NO[/SIZE] PROBLEMS! If you evade police and go on a wild chase, you derserve ANYTHING you get. Maybe the law should be the cops can shoot with deadly force, then we won't have these issues.

I commend the police for putting up with what they do. Some people have problems with police because of their own issues...shame on those people.[/quote]

Heck, even break the law and follow what the cop says and no problems.

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these responses are just one big joke

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[quote=MasterBlaster;559192]these responses are just one big joke[/quote]


Care to elaborate?

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[quote=Angry;559178]I don't know that there is one outside of paying officers more money and being more picky about the screning process. Even then some bad apples will slip through the cracks.

The major problem with Police as I have said before is the lack of professionalism. When you have to use force, use only the amount necessary to neutralize your target up to and including deadly force. Once you have him aprehended, detained, neutralized or whatever you want to call it, then there is no more need to keep whoopin his ass. In other words as soon as the guy was laying on the ground unconcious you give him a swift kick in the nuts...if he is unresponsive then you do not need to keep whaling on him. If he was responsive you just made sure that he was unarmed and you can proceed to putting the jewlry on him. If he resists... hit him again. In other words one blow per instance of resistance. Officers in these situations however get too emotionally attached when one of these idiots hurts on of their own and the just excessively beat the man in a vigilant fashion. Obviously this is excessive and wrong because emotion has taken over.[/quote]

I would imagine it being really difficult to keep emotion out of it. Imagine someone putting someone like your kid or wife in danger and really hurt one of them, if you used force to stop them, would you be able to stop that easily? Cops are BEST FRIENDS and have almost like a fraternity...a brotherhood. When one is in danger, they all take offense...same reason all those cops and fire fighters responded to the world trade center attacks from across the country. They didn't even know each other, but put their lives on the line for one another.
Don't get me wrong angry, I totally get your point, but I think the human factor takes its role and it's hard to be a machine in those instances.

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[quote=firstdown;559180]Heck, even break the law and follow what the cop says and no problems.[/quote]

exactly.

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[quote=firstdown;558947]Here is what happens in jail if you kill a cop.
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZfHZtI_dls&feature=related"]YouTube - Cop shooter gets beat down before court appearance[/URL][/quote]
Much of his injuries occured from the fall , he jumped off the 3rd floor , lucky he didn't break both legs ,,,, I like Dmeks idea ......

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;559051][B]Is your definition of torture - brutality used[/B] [B]to get information.[/B]
What differentiates police brutality from torture?[/quote]
those cops that finally caught up with him weren't looking for any answers. they were pissed. and standing up for one of their own. if that guy had shot a family member, how would you have handled it?

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[quote=jsarno;559162]It AMAZES me how some people instantly blame cops for everything! This is a classic case of a person NOT FOLLOWING THE LAWS and being chased by police, and when the Police do something (which has been deemed as FOLLOWING TRAINING) people are up in arms???? WTF??? People should be upset at the man trying to EVADE POLICE and WRECKLESS DRIVING, not the people that were trying to stop it. What that man that evaded police did, could be thought of as attempted murder!!!! Yet the cop is on trial???? That is wrong!
Do you people that have a problem with this have any idea what it takes to be a police officer???

Yes, there are SOME cops that abuse power, 99% do not! They have one of the toughest jobs on the planet. If you do what they ask, you have no problem. [/quote]


I couldn't read any further then this. OBVIOUSLY, every experience you have had with the police has been rainbows & kittens. I would go the other way & say that 99% of all police ABUSE their power in some form. Be it speeding or running red lights to get the freshest donuts or beating someone near death & then claiming "he was trying to get up." Other then a court that says otherwise, who's going to argue with them? Another cop isn't going to pull over one of his own & site him for speeding or running that red light. If anything, he'll get behind him in hopes that he knows where the fresh donuts are.

I have had cops pull me over on a technicality & use that to have my car towed & leave me & my then disabled wife on the side of the road to walk thru several different gang infested neighborhoods at 4 in the morning. Why? Because he could. Because he was the police.

Pardon my expression, but F*** the police. They are just as crooked as politicians & are just as willing to break the very laws they are paid to enforce as the criminals they put away. I have been abused by them, I've had friends put in the hospital because of them, using similar excuses "he was trying to attack us." Puh-lease.

With the overwhelming belief that cops are on the up & up 99% of the time, no matter what anyone says AGAINST them, people like you won't believe it & you will take whatever the cop says at face value because...well, because he's a cop. Of COURSE he had to beat him that bad. He MUST have done something wrong. Forgetting that cops are still people and just as capable of losing their tempers or abusing someone because they have an agenda as anyone else.

Take a look at your boss. Take a look at his/her boss. EVERYONE in a position of authority abuses their power. To believe that cops are the exception to this rule is just plain ridiculous. Maybe every experience you have had has been a good one. Good for you. I have had few good experiences with these badge wielding pricks & I don't trust them as far as I can throw them.

I don't know all the details of this case particularly, but based on my experiences alone with the police, I will ALWAYS take the side of the person they are beating on first until I see reason to believe the cops. Which is to say I would have to see video or real life evidence that the cops were in the right. I haven't seen much of that...ever.

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[quote=firstdown;559180]Heck, even break the law and follow what the cop says and no problems.[/quote]

Yeah, ok. Unfortunately, regardless of what some people seem to think, that is not true.

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What's tragic to me is that a lot of people will argue against torturing someone who threatens to kill everyone in this country & everyone they are related to & anyone who refuses to agree with their way of life. That means that they will be happy to shoot everyone here in the face at point blank range (or heck, maybe even saw your head off for everyone with an internet connection to see) & it's terrible what we would do to them, but shoot a cop in the face & let the cops get vigilante justice for it & that's ok. Sometimes, I just don't get the double-standards. :doh:

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[quote=dmek25;559047]im against torture. that wasn't torture. he is lucky those cops didnt cut his balls off, and put them in his mouth[/quote]

I feel the same way about anyone who was caught trying to commit a terrorist act against my country.

How is vigilante justice not torture? Because they weren't trying to get information? What they did was torture, plain & simple. It just had a different intent behind it. There was no information to get, only pain to inflict & to make themselves feel better.

I thought in this country you were innocent until proven guilty, even with a million witnesses. I guess that's out the window when it suits you, huh? (not "you" personally, "you" in general)

I'm not saying they didn't have the right to feel the way they did. But it's 6 in one hand, half a dozen in the other. You can't have it both ways.

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Mr. Cheney said they got what they wanted from the terroists they waterboarded.
..any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him, or a third person, information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in, or incidental to, lawful sanctions.

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there is no way in hell i want ANY American tortured. that's one of the biggest reasons im against it. that, and trying to uphold the stature of our country being a leader, not a follower. which usually means doing the right thing. if the Bush administration felt it was the right thing, then so be it. but if Mr. Obama is against it, then make sure everyone knows how he stands. no need to go thru all of this bull crap in the media

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I not for or against it, but I have no problem with what happened to that guy.

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[quote=dmek25;559265]those cops that finally caught up with him weren't looking for any answers. they were pissed. and standing up for one of their own. if that guy had shot a family member, how would you have handled it?[/quote]

You know what? It doesn't matter how I or any other NON-police officer would have handled those situations. Police are supposed to SET THE EXAMPLE & not allow their emotions to take control of them. I don't care if the guy ran over a dozen cops, they are not supposed to react by beating someone who is already prone. That is not part of their training. They are supposed to be better then that, not stoop to the criminals' level & act like thugs with badges.

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[quote=Missin21;559677]You know what? It doesn't matter how I or any other NON-police officer would have handled those situations. Police are supposed to SET THE EXAMPLE & not allow their emotions to take control of them. I don't care if the guy ran over a dozen cops, they are not supposed to react by beating someone who is already prone. That is not part of their training. They are supposed to be better then that, not stoop to the criminals' level & act like thugs with badges.[/quote]

You don't know what it's like to be them. Don't try to demonize them cause you had a bad experience. Police do a GREAT job 99%+ of the time, even if you don't agree with what happened, you shouldn't lump all the police together due to your own biast opinion.
Tell you what, go sit down with a few off duty cops and have them tell you some stories of what they go through on a daily basis and how they always hold their temper. Listen really close to their stories. They are amazing people to put up with what they put up with. So if occasionally there is some moron that tries to run down cops, or put their life in jeapordy, I will certainly look the other way and give them the benefit of the doubt.
I certainly hope no one holds you to your lofty standards for the police, you will fail my friend.

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[quote=Missin21;559677]You know what? It doesn't matter how I or any other NON-police officer would have handled those situations. Police are supposed to SET THE EXAMPLE & not allow their emotions to take control of them. I don't care if the guy ran over a dozen cops, they are not supposed to react by beating someone who is already prone. That is not part of their training. They are supposed to be better then that, not stoop to the criminals' level & act like thugs with badges.[/quote]

I agree well said.

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[quote=jsarno;560167]You don't know what it's like to be them. [B]Don't try to demonize them[/B] cause you had a bad experience. [B] Police do a GREAT job 99%+[/B] of the time, even if you don't agree with what happened, [B]you shouldn't lump all the police together due to your own biast opinion[/B].
Tell you what, go sit down with a few off duty cops and have them tell you some stories of what they go through on a daily basis and how they always hold their temper. Listen really close to their stories. They are amazing people to put up with what they put up with. So if occasionally there is some moron that tries to run down cops, or put their life in jeapordy, I will certainly look the other way and give them the benefit of the doubt.
I certainly hope no one holds you to your lofty standards for the police, you will fail my friend.[/quote]
I like how you tell him not to demonize them, which I would generally agree, but then go on to the other extreme and make them near perfect.
Cops are people, some are downright bad, some are virtuous, but most are in the middle, doing their job, trying to do the best they can and not get downsized. If they see a buddy who needs a look the other way moment - a lot will look the other way. If their authority is challenged, all will respond, some will over react and abuse their power.

I like that you say to sit down with some off duty cops, good advice for someone who thinks all are abusive, power hungry men and women. They aren't.

I would tell someone like you, who throws out the 99%+ stat, to go look at all the cops who have gone over the deep end, look at the stats for police abuse and the frequency with which a slap on the wrist or no punishment at all occurs. and just as true, look at the number of cases of police being fired or going to jail for their abuses.

A person in authority should always be held to the highest standard. And when someone seeks out a profession that puts them in daily contact with the "worst" of society, and with the troubled, and dangerous, it is all the more reason to call them to task if they fail. No one said a good cop is an easy job, it may be one of the very hardest, but being a bad cop can be a very easy role to fall into.

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[quote=jsarno;560167]You don't know what it's like to be them. Don't try to demonize them cause you had a bad experience. Police do a GREAT job 99%+ of the time, even if you don't agree with what happened, you shouldn't lump all the police together due to your own biast opinion.
Tell you what, go sit down with a few off duty cops and have them tell you some stories of what they go through on a daily basis and how they always hold their temper. Listen really close to their stories. They are amazing people to put up with what they put up with. So if occasionally there is some moron that tries to run down cops, or put their life in jeapordy, I will certainly look the other way and give them the benefit of the doubt.
I certainly hope no one holds you to your lofty standards for the police, you will fail my friend.[/quote]

Let me first start by exclaiming that ONE bad experience wouldn't make me feel that way. But just about EVERY experience I have had, just about every experience some of my friends have had, we have all been abused by a creep with a badge. And here's one even better. A very good friend of mine married a cop...a great guy, wonderful husband, probably a great dad, too. He has told me stories. Guess what. He would even tell me stories of HIM abusing his power.

As I said earlier, it could be as simple as changing lanes without signaling. Let me do something like that & they'll pull me out of the car & have me doing drunk tests. I have been robbed & the cop that arrived an hour & a half later tells me that there's nothing he could do for me because it's been raining. "Sorry, Bud." and jets. I'm supposed to believe, after 99% of my experiences with random officers have started AND ended badly, that 99% of them are on the up & up? You must be out of your f'in' mind.

I'm happy that every time a cop pulls you over, he doesn't bring 12 of his buddies with him to ask you the same frikkin questions over & over again for seemingly no reason OTHER than they're bored. Or for that matter, have them approach your car with his gun drawn & in your face without cause. I've had a friend put in the hospital for over a month by cops looking for someone to take their aggressions out on...& often times, they find some poor guy who doesn't have money or power of influence that they can abuse & do so readily. Every once in a while, someone with a camera phone or a video camera or idiot cops who forget about their dashcam catches these assholes doing just that. Abusing someone who could not fight back.

I'm sure it's nothing for you to think that the cops were in the right for beating a prone individual because he ran over another cop. To me, that makes them thugs. I've seen gang members do the exact same thing. but that was a crime, because they didn't have badges, right? Like I said, F*** the police. They are supposed to respond with restraint & be better then the thugs they put away, not act just like them. If the guy gets out of his car & starts shooting at them, fine, gun him down. That's self defense. That is what they are trained to do. IF they had shot the man thru his windshield while he was driving after he had run one of them down, I'm fine with that too. That's self defense. They didn't do that. The man is laying prone face down on the ground. This is when their training should kick in & they should either handcuff him & put him in the back of a squad car, or, God forbid, they call an ambulance & have him shipped to the nearest hospital under guard & then handcuff him when he can leave the hospital.

People who turn a blind eye & deaf ear to cops abusing their powers because someone "threatens" them is the reason cops get away with so much abuse. Try being at the end of that a few times, realizing that no matter what you do or say, you are POWERLESS against them. They can do whatever they want. Why? Because they are cops & even if they abuse you on camera, well they can just make up some bullshit story as to why they did it & guess what...people like you will believe whatever the cops say. They can't possibly be lying. They're cops...! :yeahright

If a military faction goes into a town in Iraq & rapes & murders an entire village in the name of the USA, it's a tragedy, but a cop, whose life isn't in NEARLY the danger a soldiers is, is justified for beating someone to near death because "his job is dangerous?" That's bullshit & you know it. Like I said, try having a cop abuse you a few times just because he can, like I & several of my friends, & your tune will change.

I'm sure, since you are such a supporter of the police, that nothing I've said even phases you. I'm sure you don't believe anything I've said. I don't really care to be honest. What I do really care about is this blind faith in someone simply because they have a badge. It just boggles my mind. As if the shine off the badge puts you in a trance or something & you are thereafter brainwashed-"All cops are good. Their job is dangerous. Support your local troopers."-in a typical hypnotic voice.

I don't take away the fact that their jobs are dangerous. That doesn't give them the right to abuse people whenever THEY feel it's ok. Despite your unfathomable belief in them, they are not above the law...& far too many of them get away with being just that. And quite frankly, it's sickening the way society lets them get away with so much. Being on the side of the abused gives me a whole different perspective & I could honestly care less how dangerous their jobs are. I have NEVER ONCE given a cop any reason to point his gun or wave his billy club at me & yet, they do it anyway. It's happened in this state, it's happened in other states. It's happened in the District. But, because YOU think that all cops are good people & upstanding citizens, I'm just supposed to put my bad experiences on the back burner & accept that their jobs are dangerous & so therefore, if they beat one guy who ran over one of their own, it's ok...? Yeah, sorry. They KNEW what they did was wrong which is why this video took so long to come out. That's WHY they were fired, & rightly so. They are TRAINED to respond differently & they took their own justice, which is AGAINST THE LAW, PERIOD! Regardless of what ANYONE thinks...including the cops themselves.


I apologize for my rant, but it just really gets under my skin when someone trivializes any kind of abuse by the police & using "their jobs are dangerous" as an excuse to allow them to continue to get away with it. Especially when I, myself, & so many people around me have suffered at the hands of these pricks simply because they have a badge & a gun & an attitude problem...& a willing public who will fall in line behind them, no matter what they say or do. :doh:

:twocents:

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;560224]I like how you tell him not to demonize them, which I would generally agree, but then go on to the other extreme and make them near perfect.
Cops are people, some are downright bad, some are virtuous, but most are in the middle, doing their job, trying to do the best they can and not get downsized. If they see a buddy who needs a look the other way moment - a lot will look the other way. If their authority is challenged, all will respond, some will over react and abuse their power.

I like that you say to sit down with some off duty cops, good advice for someone who thinks all are abusive, power hungry men and women. They aren't.

I would tell someone like you, who throws out the 99%+ stat, to go look at all the cops who have gone over the deep end, look at the stats for police abuse and the frequency with which a slap on the wrist or no punishment at all occurs. and just as true, look at the number of cases of police being fired or going to jail for their abuses.

A person in authority should always be held to the highest standard. And when someone seeks out a profession that puts them in daily contact with the "worst" of society, and with the troubled, and dangerous, it is all the more reason to call them to task if they fail. No one said a good cop is an easy job, it may be one of the very hardest, but being a bad cop can be a very easy role to fall into.[/quote]



Well said. I, unfortunately, do not share the views of those that think that even 1/2 of our police forces are good anymore. Just because I haven't shared my every experience with the police doesn't mean that I HAVEN'T had lengthy conversations with on or off duty cops. I have. On several occasions, under different circumstances.

I didn't used to feel this way, but terrible experience after another has led me down this road. I used to feel that most cops were good. But even after talking to several, & then mine & my friends' experiences, one right after another, have shown me otherwise. It's just the way it is. It's like I said earlier. Look at your boss. Look at his/her boss. Go higher. Everyone in a position of power abuses it somehow. The police are NOT, by any stretch of the imagination, the exception to this. Not even close. Regardless of what society wants to believe.

It's easier to believe they are all good. How else can you teach your children to find a cop if they need one? I can tell you, I for one, won't do any such thing. I don't trust them anymore, haven't for years, & I will NEVER tell my kids to find a cop for help. I'll tell them to run to a neighbor or a friend first...
"cop is your absolute LAST resort. When all else fails, THEN you find a cop. Make sure you mind your "P's & Q's" first, to avoid getting beat down in the name of the law, though."

Re: 5 Ala. officers fired for beating caught on tape
 

For all those looking for a good way to explain the Theory of Relativity, look no further than this thread.

Re: 5 Ala. officers fired for beating caught on tape
 

The guy was ejected from his car and is on the ground unconscious and these cops start beating on him? Those cops are just straight up cowards and deserved to be canned.

I respect cops and I even live next to a cop so I have no problem with the police. I do have problems though with cops assaulting a unconscious man.