I think this might be our answer for OLB... (Greg Ellis?)
 

Even getting him from Dallas would make it so much sweeter!
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[quote=Dr Do Itch Big;559148]Even getting him from Dallas would make it so much sweeter!
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He's 34!!!
What would we have to give up for him?
No thanks, rather find a FA than to trade for a has-been.

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has been? check his stats bro, dude is still a beast

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I wouldn't be against taking a look at him but he'd be nothing more than a short term solution for our linebacker needs.

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[quote=Dr Do Itch Big;559150]has been? check his stats bro, dude is still a beast[/quote]

My bad...34 year old LBs always perform like monsters. Come on man...didn't we just let Washington go cause of his age? Yet we want Ellis who is not really used as an OLB?
I have looked at his stats...25 solo tackles don't impress me. 8 sacks does if he's used as a pass rusher, but take away 2 games (1st eagles game, and 2nd giants game) and he had 3.5 sacks over 14 games. Not this this stat is an indictor of talent level, but he had 0 FF, only the second time in his career that happened.
Trust me, 8 sacks, and only 25 solo tackles at the ripe age of 34 is NOT what this team needs...he would come here and do worse anyway because of our schemes. So if he did 25 tackles and 3 sacks, would you still be OK with him?

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You want to trade with the god damn cowboys?

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Survey says ... [X]

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Let's give the Cowboys a 1st rounder for GE.

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[quote=jsarno;559156]My bad...34 year old LBs always perform like monsters. Come on man...didn't we just let Washington go cause of his age? Yet we want Ellis who is not really used as an OLB?
I have looked at his stats...25 solo tackles don't impress me. 8 sacks does if he's used as a pass rusher, but take away 2 games (1st eagles game, and 2nd giants game) and he had 3.5 sacks over 14 games. Not this this stat is an indictor of talent level, but he had 0 FF, only the second time in his career that happened.
Trust me, 8 sacks, and only 25 solo tackles at the ripe age of 34 is NOT what this team needs...he would come here and do worse anyway because of our schemes. So if he did 25 tackles and 3 sacks, would you still be OK with him?[/quote]

I thought it was the injury problems that led to the Redskins letting Marcus Washington go?

Greg Ellis is still a good player who can make plays. I would agree that we shouldnt trade for him though because his possible years left arent worth a draft pick unless its a really low one. He still can make plays though and 20.5 sacks the last 2 years is impressive. Hes always been one of the Cowboys I actually liked.

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good team guy, but..... NO. too old, and not very productive

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[quote=dmek25;559185]good team guy, but..... NO. too old, and not very productive[/quote]

20.5 sacks over the last 2 years isnt productive?

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I think they said he will most likely be released.

Vet minimum.

First.

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Harkening back to last season, if the Skins lose two OLB's to major injuries on the first day of training camp, Greg Ellis will be acquired immediately.

Other than that, I'd be surprised...

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I think Ellis is more of a DE and a rush 3-4 OLB than an OLB in our scheme. He would just be taking snaps away from Orakpo and I think Orakpo needs them to learn the position.

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Isn't Ellis a 4-3 DE?

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[quote=an23dy;559194]I think Ellis is more of a DE and a rush 3-4 OLB than an OLB in our scheme. He would just be taking snaps away from Orakpo and I think Orakpo needs them to learn the position.[/quote]

Great point. This is another reason why we probably wont try to get him. In a 4-3 he would be better at DE instead of OLB. Most of his career he was a 4-3 end for the Cowboys. If the Skins decided if he was released to try him as a 4-3 OLB for cheap id say why not. I dont think there is any chance we sign him if hes released as a 4-3 end because we already got alot of DEs on the roster. So the odds of us getting him are slim to none.

I still think he is a damn good player though.

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[quote=jamf;559160]You want to trade with the god damn cowboys?[/quote]

Thank youuuuuuuuu ,Thank youuuuuuuuuuu have a beer on me :food-smil, and a Carne Asada Burrito from Roberto's on Imperial..lol

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;559186]20.5 sacks over the last 2 years isnt productive?[/quote]
not to make it sound paltry but it's a 3-4

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I think not!! Didnt we just go theough this with Mr Taylor, a 30 something, (beast)
that was suppose to bring the pass rush back to DC...enough with the washed up OLB/DE types...Weve got several guys that can play solid at OLB

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[quote=tryfuhl;559208]not to make it sound paltry but it's a 3-4[/quote]

....and your point is? I know its a 3-4 and the OLB rush more than a 4-3 but 20.5 sacks over a two year span for any player is great at this level.

Im not saying hes a great superstar player. Im just saying when someone says Ellis isnt very productive when he had 20.5 sacks over a 2 year span is laughable.

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he is more of a DE in a 4-3 than a OLB. But he is also a friggan COWGIRL so no f'n way!! I think i just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;559186]20.5 sacks over the last 2 years isnt productive?[/quote]

50 tackles over 2 seasons is not...and last I checked, we needs an OLB, not a DE.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;559218]he is more of a DE in a 4-3 than a OLB. But [B]he is also a friggan COWGIRL so no f'n way!! I think i just threw up in my mouth a little bit[/B].[/quote]

:laughing2

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;559215]....and your point is? I know its a 3-4 and the OLB rush more than a 4-3 but 20.5 sacks over a two year span for any player is great at this level.

Im not saying hes a great superstar player. Im just saying when someone says Ellis isnt very productive when he had 20.5 sacks over a 2 year span is laughable.[/quote]

Don't get me wrong, I can definitely respect your point. You need to keep in mind my initial points in my initial post. He had a whopping 3.5 sacks over 14 games last year if not for the eagles and giants game. He is 34 and his production even in sacks was cut dramatically! He would not fit well in our system, and to trade ANY pick away for him would be stupid IMO. Time to keep our picks, and not trade them for oldies. Do you really want a guy that would likely get us 25 tackles and 3 sacks???

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Who's that old ex-steeler LB who was awesome last year for the Dolphins?

I'm not saying I'm in favor of trading for this guy...I'm not...but the point that just because you are older that you suck isn't always true...I think some of us are just a bit gunshy..thats all

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[quote=skinsnut;559225]Who's that old ex-steeler LB who was awesome last year for the Dolphins?

I'm not saying I'm in favor of trading for this guy...I'm not...but the point that just because you are older that you suck isn't always true...I think some of us are just a bit gunshy..thats all[/quote]

You're thinking of Joey Porter.

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[quote=53Fan;559226]You're thinking of Joey Porter.[/quote]

And he was 31 last year, not 34. Not to mention how the Dolphins used him as opposed to how we would use ellis.

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[quote=jsarno;559224]Don't get me wrong, I can definitely respect your point. You need to keep in mind my initial points in my initial post. He had a whopping 3.5 sacks over 14 games last year if not for the eagles and giants game. He is 34 and his production even in sacks was cut dramatically! He would not fit well in our system, and to trade ANY pick away for him would be stupid IMO. Time to keep our picks, and not trade them for oldies. Do you really want a guy that would likely get us 25 tackles and 3 sacks???[/quote]

I said in a earlier post I wouldnt trade for him unless it was a low pick. I wouldnt go trading the farm for a guy who is probably going to be released. Odds are though we wouldnt trade for him since he isnt a great fit here. I agree with all of that.

I dont like when people take stats and break them down. While its a great tidbit that he only had 3.5 sacks over 14 games the bottom line is he had 8 sacks last year. Hell id rather have a LB who had big games vs division rivals. A drop from 12.5 to 8 isnt dramatic imo.

Ellis is still a player who can make plays and it shouldnt take him too long to find another team if hes released. It just seems to me people look at his age and say he must be on the decline. Maybe he will hit that decline but as of right now with 20.5 sacks over the last 2 years he still can get to the QB as far as I know.

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We had chances to upgrade our LB postion in the draft and instead we went CB. at the time of that pick MLB Phillips from TCU was there,the kid is a tackling machine. OLB McKinzie From South Florida was there,very good player taken by the Pats. Too bad he was injured.

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[quote=jsarno;559220]50 tackles over 2 seasons is not...and last I checked, we needs an OLB, not a DE.[/quote]

No offense but if you read the whole thread and all my posts you would realize I know we need a OLB and not a DE.

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No way in hell should we TRADE for a 34 year old LB who was a 3-4 outside backer. Didnt we try this last year with a much better player in JT? Id rather go with Wilson, Blades or MW than trade for Ellis. If he is released and/or Rocky gets injured then maybe bring him in...otherwise I will pass on him. D Brooks at WLB and Rocky at SLB would be better IMO.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;559190]Harkening back to last season, if the Skins lose two OLB's to major injuries on the first day of training camp, Greg Ellis will be acquired immediately.

Other than that, I'd be surprised...[/quote]
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Agreed.

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Old-check
Plays a redundant position-check
Would cost picks or $ that we don't have to spare-check

Sign him up.

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When was the last non-draft day, divisional trade?

I really can't think of one. I doubt that it's done because each team would think that the other was getting over on them no matter what was exchanged.

Really though does someone have the history on that?

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[quote=Skinny Tee;559259]When was the last non-draft day, divisional trade?

I really can't think of one. I doubt that it's done because each team would think that the other was getting over on them no matter what was exchanged.

Really though does someone have the history on that?[/quote]

The only one that comes to mind was in 2007 when the Dolphins traded Wes Welker to the Patriots for 2007 2nd and 7th round picks.

EDIT- Just remembered that Drew Bledsoe was traded from the Patriots to the Bills in 2002 for a 2003 1st round pick.

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Name the last cowgirl we had come to DC that was sucessful? :doh:

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[quote=vallin21;559266]Name the last cowgirl we had come to DC that was sucessful? :doh:[/quote]

Alvin Harper?

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what part of the word successful didnt you understand?

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[quote=vallin21;559266]Name the last cowgirl we had come to DC that was sucessful? :doh:[/quote]

So you are saying the Skins should never trade or sign a player who is a ex-cowboy because previous moves havent worked out?

Sometimes I think peoples hate for the Cowboys blinds there judgement. I actually think if DeMarcus Ware somehow hit the FA market some Skins fans would be saying I dont want that Cowgirl trash.

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I got answer to the OLB problem...
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4. The Washington Redskins have a completely different plan for first-round choice Brian Orakpo than some people expected. At the Redskins' minicamp, Orakpo was used as the starting strongside linebacker. [B][SIZE="3"][COLOR="DarkOrange"]The plan is for him to blitz from the strong side on first and second downs[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]. [SIZE="3"][COLOR="Green"]On passing downs, he will line up at right defensive end next to Albert Haynesworth, the former Tennessee Titans star who appeared dominating at his first Redskins camp[/COLOR][/SIZE]. Orakpo was drafted to rush the passer. The surprise is that he won't just be doing it from a defensive end position.

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