Yahoo: NFL formally opens investigation into Redskins tampering of Haynesworth
 

[quote]The NFL has formally opened an investigation into charges by the Tennessee Titans that the Washington Redskins tampered with defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth before the start of free agency in February, according to two sources with knowledge of the situation.

The NFL has interviewed at least two people associated with the situation after the Titans complained to the league in April that the Redskins contacted Haynesworth and agent Chad Speck before the start of free agency on Feb. 27.
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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-tamperinginvestigation052309&prov=yhoo&type=lgns]NFL conducts Haynesworth tampering probe - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Hopefully we dont lose a draft pick over this. We already dont have a 6th round pick in 2010.

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Well since we haven't traded away all of our picks we have to lose them somehow.

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This tampering business will not end until players and agents are punished by the league. Now the league wants to make an example out of the Redskins, since they are so high profiled by the media. Meanwhile, Parcells signed a free agent last year at 12:30am, and nothing was made of it. The league really needs to fix this by punishing agents and players (as well as the teams), and also beginning the free agency period sooner.

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I'm not surprised. When we did this thread in early March I said the league would probably investigate this, but the league has greater issues than to investigate this. The NFL is doing this to simply because the Titans keep bitching about how AH left their team and are looking for some kind of refund for not signing AH sooner. [B]IF[/B] we get caught, the most they can take from us is a draft pick. I highly doubt anything will come out of it.

GET OVER IT TITANS FANS.....

ITS OVER :bdh:

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Here's my solution to this tampering issue.

- Give teams up until the Pro Bowl to negotiate with the players they want to re-sign. Maybe give some extra time for teams that are in the playoffs. Other teams are not allowed to negotiate with the soon to be free agent.

- Once the offseason starts, let anyone negotiate with the player. Give the team who holds the right to the player the opportunity to counter any offers made to the players. Do this up until the day when typically free agency begins.

-Once free agency begins, the player is free to sign with anyone and their former team cannot make any counter offers.

- Set up a punishment system for players and agents. For the players, they would get fined by the league or maybe reduce their guaranteed pay for that year. Also heavily fine agents that negotiate with teams.

- Continue punishing teams by taking picks away, also fine GMs and/or owners involved with tampering.

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[quote=vallin21;559298] [B]IF[/B] we get caught, the most they can take from us is a draft pick. I highly doubt anything will come out of it.
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Thats what scares me. We already dont have a 6th round pick.

When the 49ers were guilty of tampering with Lance Briggs they lost their 5th rd pick and they had to swap 3rd rd picks.

Im afraid Goodell is going to come down harder on us if we are guilty to set a better example.

I know probably every team tampers to a extent but I wish the Skins wouldnt of done this. If we were going to offer what we did we should of just waited. We could of offered it and if he took another deal so be it. With the amount of money we packaged in the 1st 2 seasons I would of been shocked if Haynesworth declined it.

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Ruhskins has a very well thought out plan to enforce tampering.

The alternative is, the "whatever" approach, where tampering can stay in the rulebook, but only as a deterrant to everyone signing at 12:01 am at the onset of FA. It's not reasonably enforced to the point where teams can deny contact between agent and other teams regarding impending free agents.

You had 5 years to extend Haynesworth, what difference does a week make?

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[quote=GTripp0012;559304]Ruhskins has a very well thought out plan to enforce tampering.

The alternative is, the "whatever" approach, where tampering can stay in the rulebook, but only as a deterrant to everyone signing at 12:01 am at the onset of FA. It's not reasonably enforced to the point where teams can deny contact between agent and other teams regarding impending free agents.

[B]You had 5 years to extend Haynesworth, what difference does a week make[/B]?[/quote]

Great point GTripp.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;559303]Thats what scares me. We already dont have a 6th round pick.

When the 49ers were guilty of tampering with Lance Briggs they lost their 5th rd pick and they had to swap 3rd rd picks.

Im afraid [B]Goodell is going to come down harder on us if we are guilty to set a better example.[/B]

I know probably every team tampers to a extent but I wish the Skins wouldnt of done this. If we were going to offer what we did we should of just waited. We could of offered it and if he took another deal so be it. With the amount of money we packaged in the 1st 2 seasons I would of been shocked if Haynesworth declined it.[/quote]

You have a good point, but I think nothing will come out of this investigation. (hopefully) Like GT said they had 5 yrs to sign him and they didn't, and thats their fault. It might be why they're angered that we signed him 3 hrs after the FA market opened and suspected we tampered with him at the combine.

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Come on guys. You knew that sooner or later we would need to find a new way to give up draft picks.

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The NFL is considering relaxing the tampering rules but it looks like the vote is getting pushed back until October.

[url=http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleague/nflnewsfeed/2009/05/no-vote-on-tampering-rule.html]NFL News Feed: No Vote on Tampering Rule - The League at washingtonpost.com[/url]

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[quote=vallin21;559312]You have a good point, but I think nothing will come out of this investigation. (hopefully) Like GT said they had 5 yrs to sign him and they didn't, and thats their fault. It might be why they're angered that we signed him 3 hrs after the FA market opened and suspected we tampered with him at the combine.[/quote]

Yeah I dont understand why the Titans care so much. Their contract offer was weak and pathetic.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;559321]Yeah I dont understand why the Titans care so much. Their contract offer was weak and pathetic.[/quote]

They're just trying to pick up some free picks. F 'em.

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We kinda saw this coming. Can't say that I blame them. Not that they should use us as the example or punish only us, but you know they will. So they take a draft pick. Meh, no big deal, if you ask me. We hardly use them except for trade anyway. I guess Danny will have to use cold hard cash next year...if they take a draft pick that is.

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[quote=53Fan;559322]They're just trying to pick up some free picks. F 'em.[/quote]

Yeah thats pretty much what it comes down to. They are trying to get a free handout. I just dont see why they would cause all of this drama over a chance of getting a draft pick for a player they couldnt afford either way.

It just reminds me of a little kid complaining at a toy store that he wants a XBOX360 and leaves with a Atari. :laughing2

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If the Titans do wind up getting a pick from the Skins, we can consider that a trade (of a 4th, 5th or 6th rounder?) for Haynesworth with a fat contract extension. It's well worth it in my opinion. Plus that's how the Skins usually do business anyway.

HAIL!!

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Again, there's obviously no tangible evidence to prove tampering, because Haynesworth signed with us. The reason the 49ers got hit with tampering is because once Lance Briggs re-upped with the Bears, they can interview him about events that occurred prior to him hitting free agency. Thus, hard evidence that contact between team and player occurred.

Short of getting an admission of wrongdoing by the Redskins from Haynesworth or Speck, you just have allegations of wrongdoing by Snyder. Haynesworth's paycheck is Speck's primary meal ticket as well, so good luck NFL getting anything more than a hunch of foul play here.

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Of course, people are always going to believe the Redskins tampered here. Just like people will always believe the Dolphins tampered with Justin Smiley the year before. But, again, it's only reasonable suspicion, not actual proof.

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[quote=SkinzzFan;559329]If the Titans do wind up getting a pick from the Skins, we can consider that a trade (of a 4th, 5th or 6th rounder?) for Haynesworth with a fat contract extension. It's well worth it in my opinion. Plus that's how the Skins usually do business anyway.

HAIL!![/quote]

I don't know about "well worth it" yet. The season hasn't started & so therefore he hasn't had a chance to earn his check (not that that matters around here). I would have liked to see that money spent more wisely...like on OL depth. But, we will see what happens. The way we have studded up our DL this off-season, the acquisition of AH should catapult us into the #1 defense spot easily & hopefully we will actually get more then 2 sacks every 5 games.

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[quote=Ruhskins;559297]This tampering business will not end until players and agents are punished by the league. Now the league wants to make an example out of the Redskins, since they are so high profiled by the media. Meanwhile, [b]Parcells signed a free agent last year at 12:30am, and nothing was made of it.[/b] The league really needs to fix this by punishing agents and players (as well as the teams), and also beginning the free agency period sooner.[/quote]

Excellent point! How is it possible that he could sign someone in half an hour if he didn't have previous contact?
To me, it's not tampering...they have minds of their own, they can choose not to accept a deal and to look around, how is it tampering to look into a player "early". It wasn't formal, so who cares? This is just being picky.
So what if a team employee was a friend of a player on another team, and while they were drinking beer and playing pool one night, the team employee suggested the player sit out to try to get a contract extension? Is that tampering?

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I think the Titans should have to prove that Haynesworth would have signed with another team if we had not allegedly contacted him. Proving that would be almost impossible but what other ways could they accuse us? It is all so broad...

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Hopefully the agent and the skins deleted all their phone calls text messages whatever and as for rock cartwright talking about it on the radio, he should say he mispoke ...and by the way we already have this thread open

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[quote=vallin21;559298]I'm not surprised. When we did this thread in early March I said the league would probably investigate this, but the league has greater issues than to investigate this. The NFL is doing this to simply because the Titans keep bitching about how AH left their team and are looking for some kind of refund for not signing AH sooner. [B]IF[/B] we get caught, the most they can take from us is a draft pick. I highly doubt anything will come out of it.

GET OVER IT TITANS FANS.....

ITS OVER :bdh:[/quote]
Its a no lose situation for the Titans, complain until the NFL either tells them to drop it or they get "compensation" from the Skins. If they get nothing, they lose nothing but phone calls, toner and a few sheets of paper.

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I think the Titans need to wake up. [B]"IF"[/B] AH wanted to remain a Titan he would have signed whatever they offered. He did not so only a couple of things come to mind. He either wanted more money which they failed to offer or he wanted out of Tenn.

I like Gtripps plann, but hopefully the plan still leaves it up to the player to decide of the wants to go to a new team.

Yes our owner had a dinner with the very same agent Kelly has and AH has. I guess the Titans are hoping the NFL cops will pull in the agent and he will say "Oh yeah, we talked about AH all over dinner and what it would take to get him to come to the Skins." or when they call DS in he will say "Yeah we discussed whether AH would be interested in coming to the Skins and the agent was satisfied." That aint going to happen. I presume if they call AH in he's going to say that he had no knowledge of what was discussed cause he was not present. He simply wanted to wait and see if he could get a better offer.

It's not like we signed him at 12:01am. Three hours later AH was signed. That's with us already having a half decent contract ready, a fax of said contract or e-mail, a counter offer with in reason, and all parties agreeing. All that could have been done within an hour. Now maybe the Skins called at 12:01 am and said heres our offer, is there anything AH is demanding to be in the contract? quickly fix it and all parties could sign. Done with in a half hour.

The contracts are pretty standard. No different then divorces. The issue comes down to money and if DS offered that large sum to me ....guess what....I'm a Skin.

I guess if I was a Titan player I would be pissed. The team is acting like we took their only valuable player, their only piece to the SB puzzle. Now that AH is gone they have no team so they are now looking for tampering. "We are loosers now cause we lost AH."

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The evidence is Snyder was openly having dinner w/ AH's agent before FA started. I mean what else were they talking about? Everyone knows they talking contact/numbers. Let's not kid ourselves. I doubt anyone can prove what they were discussing but Snyder has to be smarter than that.

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[quote=skinsfan69;559385]The evidence is Snyder was openly having dinner w/ AH's agent before FA started. I mean what else were they talking about? Everyone knows they talking contact/numbers. Let's not kid ourselves. I doubt anyone can prove what they were discussing but Snyder has to be smarter than that.[/quote]

It's called plausible deniability. Haynesworth's agent represents at least one other player on the Redskins. Even though everyone knows exactly what that dinner was about, there's simply no way to prove it. Unless Snyder, the agent, or Haynesworth admits to it, or there is some kind of recorded phone call or email, this will go away.

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In an ACTUAL case that involved tampering, the Miami Dolphins had to forfeit their first round draft pick the next year - - it did not go to the team who was the "tampering victim.


The object of the tampering? Coach Don Shula.


Shula was the head coach of the Colts when the Dolphins tampered with him - - according the an NFL investigation.


However, the "price" back then was the loss of a first round pick. That is not something trivial.

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[quote=Ruhskins;559297]This tampering business will not end until players and agents are punished by the league. Now the league wants to make an example out of the Redskins, since they are so high profiled by the media. Meanwhile, Parcells signed a free agent last year at 12:30am, and nothing was made of it. The league really needs to fix this by punishing agents and players (as well as the teams), and also beginning the free agency period sooner.[/quote]

Either that or allow talks after the team is out or season is over, but all access must be done with a rep from the FA's team present physically or over the phone.

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[quote=Nflnick11;559362]Hopefully the agent and the skins deleted all their phone calls text messages whatever and as for rock cartwright talking about it on the radio, he should say he mispoke ...and by the way we already have this thread open[/quote]
there you go again

not everybody wants to jump into a 20 page thread to see if there was actual real relevant news when something new has happened

might as well only have a single thread about a lot of things.. the whole season.. all of the commentary and questions on the opposition before the game, the whole preseason

give it up playing deputy jr moderator here already man

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[quote=skinsfan69;559385]The evidence is Snyder was openly having dinner w/ AH's agent before FA started. I mean what else were they talking about? Everyone knows they talking contact/numbers. Let's not kid ourselves. I doubt anyone can prove what they were discussing but Snyder has to be smarter than that.[/quote]
Speck represents Malcolm Kelly as well -- I mean we all know what it was about, but still.

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[quote=tryfuhl;559450]there you go again

not everybody wants to jump into a 20 page thread to see if there was actual real relevant news when something new has happened

might as well only have a single thread about a lot of things.. the whole season.. all of the commentary and questions on the opposition before the game, the whole preseason

give it up playing deputy jr moderator here already man[/quote]

Alright chill man , and ya we also don't need to make a new thread for every bit of news that occurs in the NFL, too...

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[quote=Nflnick11;559362] ...and by the way we already have this thread open[/quote]

OMG r u serious??? :bs: So the NFL formally opened two investigations??? Does that mean we lose double the draft picks??? Thats double jeopardy!!! :laughing2

Honestly though. I knew their was a thread about Haynesworth already. Instead of posting new news in a old thread I decided to start a new one. Since that thread was hear say and this thread is actual truth I thought a new thread was needed.

I didnt want to post the news in a old thread then 16 posters post over it about old news not realizing why it was bumped and then someone makes a new thread anyways.

This is a Redskins board and I think Redskins fans want to be able to find up to date news easily. If you have a problem with it go sign up for ES where they would probably hang me. :laughing2

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Well there is a search option for a reason, though im more worried bout losing a draft pick then Orakpo making a new thread. :)

It seems like the only way they could be found in the wrong is if someone spills the beans. We have a saying in the dark and seedy tile world, "Snitches get Stitches".

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[quote=Zerohero;559516]Well there is a search option for a reason, [/quote]

I already knew their was a thread. So no search option was needed. I dont feel like jamming new news in a old thread. :laughing-

PFT rumor: TITANS TO PURSUE TAMPERING CHARGES AGAINST REDSKINS?

and

Yahoo: NFL formally opens investigation into Redskins tampering of Haynesworth

Ones about the Titans and how charges should be filed and another is about the NFL actually opening a investigation into it.

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This sucks, we may lose picks on some BS because the Titans want to cry like little girls because their defensive MVP left.Its not like they were anywhere near offering the same deal anyways. As they said on NFL Network, it happens all the time.
Well i guess if we lose a 1st and JC bolts we can always go after a QB named Rivers.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;559534]Well i guess if we lose a 1st and JC bolts we can always go after a QB named Rivers.[/quote]

I dont think we will lose any picks in the first two rounds if we are found to be guilty of this.

I wish we could get a QB with the talent and toughness of Phillip Rivers. Hopefully Campbell steps up his game this year and starts living up to his vast potenial and we can re-sign him after the season.

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Thats if he wants to stay after this offseason. I dont think he will after the trade talks and the Sanchez deal. We all saw how DS was over Cutler,Rivers is better IMO and i couldnt imagine DS not makin a run for him in FA.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;559536]Thats if he wants to stay after this offseason. I dont think he will after the trade talks and the Sanchez deal. We all saw how DS was over Cutler,Rivers is better IMO and i couldnt imagine DS not makin a run for him in FA.[/quote]

Yeah thats possible. More and more I think about it though if Campbell steps up like I think he can this year both sides will be able to work something out. I believe Campbell still likes the Redskins just not Dan Snyder.

I could see Campbell stepping up and playing great this season and Snyder still not signing him though. Thats what really scares me. Snyder lets another QB walk after he shows what he can do and then Campbell plays great for years with another team.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;559536]Thats if he wants to stay after this offseason. I dont think he will after the trade talks and the Sanchez deal. We all saw how DS was over Cutler,Rivers is better IMO and i couldnt imagine DS not makin a run for him in FA.[/quote]

Do you hate Campbell so much that you are willing to turn every single thread into him leaving? :doh:

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Snyder lets another QB walk after he shows what he can do and then Campbell plays great for years with another team

Who was the 1st QB DS let leave who was great for someone else? I thinkin back through our QBs while DS was here and most are out of the league or backups now.