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[url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121781568328109027.html]Most Oil in Santa Barbara Channel Is Natural Seepage - WSJ.com[/url] THis is hard to believe . We have some very sorry men and women in congress .... [url=http://geology.com/news/2007/enormous-oil-seepage-in-the-gulf-of-mexico.shtml]Enormous Oil Seepage in the Gulf of Mexico | Geology.com[/url] If we drill the oil , wouldn't we also help the wildlife in our oceans ?

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You actually think we sould drill for our own oil? Thats really pushing the envelope. What would happen if we killed just one fish or one tree.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSEaHyzbqTA[/ame]

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[quote=firstdown;567836]You actually think we sould drill for our own oil? Thats really pushing the envelope. What would happen if we killed just one fish or one tree.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSEaHyzbqTA]YouTube - Emotional Hippies - Crying Over Dead Trees[/url][/quote]

Amazing. What's even more amazing is how much actual power the eco-nuts have over the politicians in this country when it comes to going after our own natural resources.

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[quote=Beemnseven;567884]Amazing. What's even more amazing is how much actual power the eco-nuts have over the politicians in this country when it comes to going after our own natural resources.[/quote]
You are correct . If most Americans could see the lack of impact on animal and plant life , I doubt they would care what the greenies say . In Ohio , there are dairy farms and corn fields within 500 yds of old oil wells , deer , fox , ect. I think its save to say that wildlife has already adapted to humans - developement .

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probably the reason we don't drill because who is to say where to draw the line, and stop. Americans are creatures of excess, you know?

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[quote=dmek25;568075]probably the reason we don't drill because who is to say where to draw the line, and stop. Americans are creatures of excess, you know?[/quote]

So you don't think we could find a good plan to drill here oil at home?

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i think we could. but like i said above, a new administration would change the rules, and go alittle farther. then we are left with what?

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[quote=dmek25;568097]i think we could. but like i said above, a new administration would change the rules, and go alittle farther. then we are left with what?[/quote]

So we shouldn't do the right thing in fear that someone may do the wrong thing in the future? That is govt. at its worst.

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[quote=Beemnseven;567884]Amazing. What's even more amazing is how much actual power the eco-nuts have over the politicians in this country when it comes to going after our own natural resources.[/quote]
The environmental lobby is incredibly slick in how they generate their massive amounts of funds.

Quick story, I had a Siberian Husky for almost 15 years, I get some mailer for a charity (can't remember the name) that (allegedly) rescued wolves, relocate them away from farms, and helped preserve their habitat. I sent them $ 50 once, but never sent in any more (despite the monthly junk-mail). A while later, I was reading about some of the eco-nut groups that were lobbying against drilling in ANWR and offshore and what do I see, but the name of the charity for the wolves....last time I donated to any charity without really doing my homework first.

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[quote=dmek25;568075]probably the reason we don't drill because who is to say where to draw the line, and stop. Americans are creatures of excess, you know?[/quote]Let's continue to send billions of dollars to fund regimes throughout the world that hate the U.S. and seek our demise, continue to have our economy hinged on the whims of OPEC/Venezuela or the increasing massive oil demands of China/India, and enrich foreign countries/companies rather than U.S. companies/employees because we're not sure where we "draw the line" and possibly somewhere down the line we might cross that imaginary line. :frusty:

Thank God we're at least building new nuke reactors.

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[quote=firstdown;567836]
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSEaHyzbqTA[/quote"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSEaHyzbqTA[/URL][/quote] Absolutely hilarious! And to show how blockheaded these goofs are "this rock that has the most incredible life" ?????

But if you think about it, these clowns are probably scamming multi-millions in donations from all across America, so they're essentially getting paid to cry and yell in the forest, not a bad gig.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;568147]Let's continue to send billions of dollars to fund regimes throughout the world that hate the U.S. and seek our demise, continue to have our economy hinged on the whims of OPEC/Venezuela or the increasing massive oil demands of China/India, and enrich foreign countries/companies rather than U.S. companies/employees because we're not sure where we "draw the line" and possibly somewhere down the line we might cross that imaginary line. :frusty:

[B]Thank God we're at least building new nuke reactors.[/B][/quote]

I didn't know any had been approved. It amazes me that we let that resource lay fallow for so long. I hope we finally get these back into commission in a major way.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;568156]I didn't know any had been approved. It amazes me that we let that resource lay fallow for so long. I hope we finally get these back into commission in a major way.[/quote]I probably should've rephrased my statement to preparing to build. A few have been approved but not broken ground yet.

[URL="http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf41.html"]Nuclear Power in the USA[/URL]

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[quote=dmek25;568075]probably the reason we don't drill because who is to say where to draw the line, and stop. Americans are creatures of excess, you know?[/quote]

Slingin Sammy touched on it, Dmek -- and let me chime in... We are nowhere near a replacement for the internal combustion engine, (you and I will not see it in our lifetimes) and like it or not, we are still dependent on fossil fuels and will be for a long time to come.

Faced with this reality, would you rather see wildlife temporarily displaced with more offshore drilling and in places like ANWR if it meant that we would no longer have to send our soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen to the middle east to fight and die to ensure the free flow of oil?

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;568144]The environmental lobby is incredibly slick in how they generate their massive amounts of funds.

Quick story, I had a Siberian Husky for almost 15 years, I get some mailer for a charity (can't remember the name) that (allegedly) rescued wolves, relocate them away from farms, and helped preserve their habitat. I sent them $ 50 once, but never sent in any more (despite the monthly junk-mail). A while later, I was reading about some of the eco-nut groups that were lobbying against drilling in ANWR and offshore and what do I see, but the name of the charity for the wolves....last time I donated to any charity without really doing my homework first.[/quote]


LOL...ANWR stands for Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and they do have wolves living there in need of protection from people like you who want to "drill baby drill." This is where charities in the business of "helping to preserve their habitat" come into the picture and so I wonder what is meant by "slick."


Funny story, usage of the initialism ANWR is preferred to using Arctic National Wildlife Refuge because it sounds friendlier and does not make one sound cruel and callous.

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[quote=saden1;568168]LOL...ANWR stands for Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and they do have wolves living there in need of protection from people like you who want to "drill baby drill." This is where charities in the business of "helping to preserve their habitat" come into the picture and so I wonder what is meant by "slick."


Funny story, usage of the initialism ANWR is preferred to using Arctic National Wildlife Refuge because it sounds friendlier and does not make one sound cruel and callous.[/quote]

So you'd rather preserve the habitat of wolves and see more Marines come home in body bags from the middle east?

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[quote=Beemnseven;568208]So you'd rather preserve the habitat of wolves and see more Marines come home in body bags from the middle east?[/quote]

No because I wouldn't send them to the middle east in the first place and I would bring them back home if they are. I would also give them training in the renewable energy sector. Maybe have them do a little farming work, manufacturing solar panels, putting up win windmills....you know, turn them all to into Army Core of Engineers types.

Just kidding, I would make a video game out of it and have them invade Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, and a host of other countries with oil. And if they come back home in body-bags, well, that's the price of war and they knew what they were signing up for voluntarily. Bush had his "Mission Accomplished" banner, I would have "Command and Conquer Bitcheeeees!" banner. Let the games begin!

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[quote=Beemnseven;568162]Slingin Sammy touched on it, Dmek -- and let me chime in... We are nowhere near a replacement for the internal combustion engine, (you and I will not see it in our lifetimes) and like it or not, we are still dependent on fossil fuels and will be for a long time to come.

Faced with this reality, would you rather see wildlife temporarily displaced with more offshore drilling and in places like ANWR if it meant that we would no longer have to send our soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen to the middle east to fight and die to ensure the free flow of oil?[/quote]

First Offshore Drilling does not displace wild life it actuall attracts wild life and becomes a ecosystem of its own. Just as bridges and other obstructions in the ocean.

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[quote=saden1;568168]LOL...ANWR stands for Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and they do have wolves living there in need of protection from people like you who want to "drill baby drill." This is where charities in the business of "helping to preserve their habitat" come into the picture and so I wonder what is meant by "slick."[/quote]The mail that I received had no mention of ANWR and was more geared to wolves who were venturing into human development. BTW, while there are wolves in ANWR there are only about 25-30 of them. I'm willing to spend the funds to relocate those wolves. Again to Beems point, I'd rather relocate a few wolves than have Americans dying in the Middle East or dying from a terrorist attack that was funded by oil revenue that originated from the U.S.

[URL="http://alaska.fws.gov/nwr/arctic/wolf.htm"]Arctic Refuge: Gray Wolf[/URL]


[quote]Funny story, usage of the initialism ANWR is preferred to using Arctic National Wildlife Refuge because it sounds friendlier and does not make one sound cruel and callous.[/quote]Certainly wouldn't want to be cold & callous by using Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Maybe I could make some non-cruel & callous joking references against Bush about U.S. servicemen & women coming home in body bags.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;568292]The mail that I received had no mention of ANWR and was more geared to wolves who were venturing into human development. BTW, while there are wolves in ANWR there are only about 25-30 of them. I'm willing to spend the funds to relocate those wolves. Again to Beems point, I'd rather relocate a few wolves than have Americans dying in the Middle East or dying from a terrorist attack that was funded by oil revenue that originated from the U.S.

[URL="http://alaska.fws.gov/nwr/arctic/wolf.htm"]Arctic Refuge: Gray Wolf[/URL]
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Those guys do relocation work to, no? Honestly though, why relocate them when they have a perfect place to be fruitful and multiply?

[quote]Certainly wouldn't want to be cold & callous by using Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Maybe I could make some non-cruel & callous joking references against Bush about U.S. servicemen & women coming home in body bags.[/quote]

I'm all for keeping it real, and on the real tip that was a poor joke in response to a poor leading question.

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[quote=saden1;568304]Those guys do relocation work to, no? Honestly though, why relocate them when they have a perfect place to be fruitful and multiply?[/quote]Cause I'm for putting a bunch of big, honkin' oil rigs up there, yee-haw! Drill, baby drill !!!!

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[quote=saden1;568230]No because I wouldn't send them to the middle east in the first place and I would bring them back home if they are. I would also give them training in the renewable energy sector. Maybe have them do a little farming work, manufacturing solar panels, putting up win windmills....you know, turn them all to into Army Core of Engineers types.[/quote]

So you'd turn Marines into engineers and scientists in the field of renewable energy? Good luck with that.

I don't like the wars in the middle east either, but if we could drill for our own oil right here in the United States and cut down on imported oil from Iraq, Saudi Arabia and other shitstorms near Mesopotamia, I don't see how any clear-thinking, rational human being could be against that.

This isn't the 23rd century, and we aren't anywhere close to engines that run on warp technology, antimatter or gravity. So you and I, our children and maybe even their children can forget about replacing the internal combustion engine anytime soon. The bottom line is that we can get our own honey right here without seeking out swarming beehives halfway around the world and save lives in the process.

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Considering oil is a finite resource, I would think part of the reason we look elsewhere for it is cause we know it will eventually run out, and our tanks and jets don't run on corn. We are getting as much as we can elsewhere so we will have a stock pile when the time comes. But that might be just a paranoid comment. haha.

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If you truly want to support in house drilling, support companies that take their oil from the U.S. such as Hess. In the long run it will be more environmentally sound. Personally I am against off-shore drilling (mostly for selfish reasons), as for ANWR it would barely supply enough oil for 6 months of U.S. consumption. However, the fact remains that known oil reserves will last less than 70 years (subject to a 2% increase a year in usage). We need to find an alternative and support developing it, whether it is to protest oil drilling or willingly pay more for a new technology so that it continues to develop.

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[quote=saden1;568168]LOL...ANWR stands for Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and they do have wolves living there in need of protection from people like you who want to "drill baby drill." This is where charities in the business of "helping to preserve their habitat" come into the picture and so I wonder what is meant by "slick."


Funny story, usage of the initialism ANWR is preferred to using Arctic National Wildlife Refuge because it sounds friendlier and does not make one sound cruel and callous.[/quote]
Yes , because the Wolves would hold there ground and we would drill right through there hearts and kill them . Do you have any idea how small of an area would actually be impacted ?

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[quote=Beemnseven;568162]Slingin Sammy touched on it, Dmek -- and let me chime in... [B]We are nowhere near a replacement for the internal combustion engine, [/B](you and I will not see it in our lifetimes) and like it or not, we are still dependent on fossil fuels and will be for a long time to come.

Faced with this reality, would you rather see wildlife temporarily displaced with more offshore drilling and in places like ANWR if it meant that we would no longer have to send our soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen to the middle east to fight and die to ensure the free flow of oil?[/quote]

You should watch the documentary "Who killed the electric car?" In the late 90s there was an efficient electric car (not a hybrid) with no ICE. It was killed off for numerous reasons.

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[quote=budw38;568554]Yes , [B]because the Wolves would hold there ground and we would drill right through there hearts and kill them [/B]. Do you have any idea how small of an area would actually be impacted ?[/quote]

Just make sure we can still use their fur for coats please!! ;)

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;568589]You should watch the documentary "Who killed the electric car?" In the late 90s there was an efficient electric car (not a hybrid) with no ICE. It was killed off for numerous reasons.[/quote]

I haven't seen that film, and I will check it out -- but let me guess; it's basically a conspiracy between the auto makers and oil company executives scheming to remove the production of a car that doesn't require gasoline as a way to keep the oil companies in business?

Is the film trying to tell us that there was a perfectly efficient all-electric vehicle that would have revolutionized the auto industry and could have completely eliminated the need to extract fossil fuels forever?

Let's think about this -- if there were such a car that was so productive, so efficient, so inexpensive, that it would have enabled GM to leap ahead of the technological innovations of the rest of the world's automakers -- why would they deliberately ball it up and throw it in the garbage? For nothing more than a favor to the oil companies?

I love a good conspiracy as much as anyone, but to believe that General Motors willingly walked away from such a visionary, pioneering vehicle that would have turned the automotive world on its head, it's a little too much to take. If there was a way that they would have made a lot of money at it, trust me, they would have built it. There was a reason it didn't go anywhere -- it just wasn't going to be profitable, which means that not nearly as many people would have bought into it as the filmmaker would have us believe.

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It does have a conspiracy in it, but I also think it does a good job blaming the consumer, as the LA Times reporter who won the Pulitzer for the story states "GM would sell you a car that ran on pig shit if they thought it would sell." For a documentary throwing the blame I do think it does a good job of showing most sides. You are correct if you ran a company and could sell 25,000 models and make $2,000 a piece or could sell 500,000 models and make $4,000 a piece as CEO what are you going to do?

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;568589]You should watch the documentary "Who killed the electric car?" In the late 90s there was an efficient electric car (not a hybrid) with no ICE. It was killed off for numerous reasons.[/quote]

Well if they could build a car in the 90's that was an efficient car whats stopping them from producing this car in 2009?

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[quote=firstdown;568817]Well if they could build a car in the 90's that was an efficient car whats stopping them from producing this car in 2009?[/quote]

They gave the plans to NASA, but they erased them in order to tape Hubble signals. ;)

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probably saying that the oil companies and car companies conspired to NOT mass produce it