Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

I'm fine with the pick, although I wish we could have gotten him in the 4th round or lower.

[url=http://www.profootballweekly.com/2009/07/16/redskins-select-jarmon-in-supplemental-draft]ProFootballWeekly.com - Redskins select Jarmon in Supplemental draft[/url]

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You just beat me to it.. I was thinking the same thing. 4th round would have been ideal, I'm fine with the 3rd round though. RI was suggesting maybe we'd go as soon as the 2nd round but that would have been crazy.

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well damn . . dont know how i feel about this. i read up on him the past few weeks but didnt expect anyone to offer a 3rd rounder. i was hoping a 5th rounder would do it like how the ravens got terps tackle gaither (sp?) for a conditional 6th who is now their starter.

now that i think about it and how i think carter is one dimensional and shouldnt be around after a few seasons i like it . .

go skins!

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Holly Crapp!!! Wow I would hate to be Buzbee, Daniels, Wynn, Wilson, and Alexander.

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I wonder if this seals Orakpo as just a SLB in the long run.

Please, please, please, let's use every other 2010 pick on the offensive line. At least the #1 and #2.

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Seems a bit high to me. Maybe Vinny's comfortable knowing we have a 1 and 2 next year. I just hope we're not bitchin' about it come draft day next year.

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[quote=53Fan;568182]Seems a bit high to me. Maybe Vinny's comfortable knowing we have a 1 and 2 next year.[B] I just hope we're not bitchin' about it come draft day next year.[/B][/quote]

Well, we'd be doing that either way I suppose. :)

I really don't know what to think, but seems high to me too. After this off-season, if our D takes even a small step back, I will be pretty disappointed.

I also don't expect him to do much this year, but if he is groomed to replace Daniels with Orakpo taking Carters spot next year, we may have done a sweet deal for the next 5-7 years.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;568183]Well, we'd be doing that either way I suppose. :)

I really don't know what to think, but seems high to me too. After this off-season, if our D takes even a small step back, I will be pretty disappointed.

I also don't expect him to do much this year,[B] but if he is groomed to replace Daniels with Orakpo taking Carters spot next year, we may have done a sweet deal for the next 5-7 years[/B].[/quote]

That would be great! Let's hope so.

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Probably would have preferred a 4th round pick too. But this could set up really well for the future at left defensive end. I don't think Wynn or Daniels (or both) was going to be playing beyond this season.

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A few thoughts:

1) Orakpo is our starting SLB for the forseeable future. He'll line up at DE no more than 20% of the time.
2) Renaldo Wynn and Alex Buzbee will be unemployed within 2 months.
3) I'm not terribly concerned about losing the 3rd rounder next year. I think Jarmon qualifies as 3rd round talent that we got for a 3rd rounder a year early. If we had wanted to select him in the 3rd round in THIS years draft (had he been eligible), we would have had to trade next years 2nd. Instead, we're geting him for a 3rd rounder a year earlier than we would have otherwise.
4) Why did Cerrato openly pimp this guy to the media last week? I'll tell you why - he wanted fans to get pumped up for this guy, so we would be less angry when we announced we were giving up a 3rd rounder for him.
5) We only have 5 draft picks next year. Most of our division rivals have twice that.
6) If we have a bad season, Zorn, Campbell, and Cerrato will all be gone next year.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;568183]Well, we'd be doing that either way I suppose. :)

I really don't know what to think, but seems high to me too. After this off-season, if our D takes even a small step back, I will be pretty disappointed.

I also don't expect him to do much this year, but if [B]he is groomed to replace Daniels with Orakpo taking Carters spot next year, we may have done a sweet deal for the next 5-7 years.[/B][/quote]

That was my thought as well.

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Yehh a little high of a pick in my opinion, but he should be a solid player in his 2nd season. Atleast we wont be drafting defensive line for the next few yrs.....

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If he was a Center i would be thrilled!

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;568188]A few thoughts:

1) Orakpo is our starting SLB for the forseeable future. He'll line up at DE no more than 20% of the time. [b]So you think Vinny, Zorn and Blache are all lying about him playing DE in passing situations?[/b]
2) Renaldo Wynn and Alex Buzbee will be unemployed within 2 months.
3) I'm not terribly concerned about losing the 3rd rounder next year. I think Jarmon qualifies as 3rd round talent that we got for a 3rd rounder a year early. If we had wanted to select him in the 3rd round in THIS years draft (had he been eligible), we would have had to trade next years 2nd. Instead, we're geting him for a 3rd rounder a year earlier than we would have otherwise.
4) Why did Cerrato openly pimp this guy to the media last week? I'll tell you why - he wanted fans to get pumped up for this guy, so we would be less angry when we announced we were giving up a 3rd rounder for him. [b]Conspiracy much?[/b]
5) We only have 5 draft picks next year. Most of our division rivals have twice that. [b]Only Philly has additional picks, 2 extra. If we don't make any trades we will net 6 players from the 2010 draft but will have an extra years experience out of one of them.[/b]
6) If we have a bad season, Zorn, Campbell, and Cerrato will all be gone next year.[b]Nobody is going to dispute that[/b][/quote]
I don't see how this can be viewed as a bad move. We're going to have another player this season and while we're not using this pick in April we're still going to have our 2010 3rd round pick on the roster.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;568188]A few thoughts:

1) Orakpo is our starting SLB for the forseeable future. He'll line up at DE no more than 20% of the time.
2) Renaldo Wynn and Alex Buzbee will be unemployed within 2 months.
3) I'm not terribly concerned about losing the 3rd rounder next year. I think Jarmon qualifies as 3rd round talent that we got for a 3rd rounder a year early. If we had wanted to select him in the 3rd round in THIS years draft (had he been eligible), we would have had to trade next years 2nd. Instead, we're geting him for a 3rd rounder a year earlier than we would have otherwise.
4) Why did Cerrato openly pimp this guy to the media last week? I'll tell you why - he wanted fans to get pumped up for this guy, so we would be less angry when we announced we were giving up a 3rd rounder for him.
5) We only have 5 draft picks next year. Most of our division rivals have twice that.
6) If we have a bad season, Zorn, Campbell, and Cerrato will all be gone next year.[/quote]

IMO your logic is sound. I would want to give Z another year if we improved even modestly. A lot of talk has been going around about Z and Soup's future being intermingled. I think, as you suggest, that Z, Soup, and Cousin Vinny's future all depends on the team doing well this year. This pick will not impress me until I see him on gameday, Orakpo too. I'm just waiting for the receivers to step up.

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[quote=WaldSkins;568191]If he was a Center i would be thrilled![/quote]

I think that's where Edwin Williams comes in. Atleast I hope so.

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[quote=Lotus;568181]I wonder if this seals Orakpo as just a SLB in the long run.

Please, please, please, let's use every other 2010 pick on the offensive line. At least the #1 and #2.[/quote]


More likely it seals Orakpo at RE instead of LE long term. Jarmon on the other hand is our Daniels reincarnated. I love though how they're infusing youth on the D-Line. Now if they could only do the same thing on the O-Line. It looks though like either Daniels or Wynn is going to be released before the season starts. Still it's awesome considering the youth movement we got on the D-line. We now have five guys under 28 that will be contributing for years to come (Orakpo, Jarmon, Monty, Kedric, and Haynesworth).

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From the RI blog based on what that scout said, a 3rd for this guy was expected. Going into it I thought 3rd was too high, but Vinny tends to rate some players much higher than the nfl scouting norm, so I'm not too surprised.

In most years 3rd round has a lot of good players that make teams & start eventually. As was mentioned by several others this is like an advance on the draft, so if he can play this year that's a serious bonus. If he can play next year it's still a bonus.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;568199]More likely it seals Orakpo at RE instead of LE long term. Jarmon on the other hand is our Daniels reincarnated. I love though how they're infusing youth on the D-Line. Now if they could only do the same thing on the O-Line. It looks though like either Daniels or Wynn is going to be released before the season starts. Still it's awesome considering the youth movement we got on the D-line. We now have five guys under 28 that will be contributing for years to come (Orakpo, Jarmon, Monty, Kedric, and Haynesworth).[/quote]

Right on. We went into the offseason needing youth and talent upgrades on both lines. The DL has now been refurbished in a good way. Although our OL still makes me nervous, you can't fix everything in one offseason I guess.

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Well we do know that he'll make the team. All of Godfather Vinnie's picks make the team. I don't know anything about this guy but hey if he is 2nd round talent, great. It is a need for our team.

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Interesting move. Hope it pays off.

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from reading up on jarmon some it seems we and the eagles were the 2 most interested teams. we pick ahead of the eagles in the supplemental so we probably thought we had to use our 3rd b/c the eagles would offer their 3rd.

read that he can play DT or DE with his mix of size and speed.

jarmon was the only player selected in the supplemental draft.

go skins!!

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The guy obviously has some talent. Hopefully it works out well for us and he can eventually take over left end as CRedskinRule suggested. If not, let's trade him to the Dolphins for a second round pick.

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Wynn is done anyway, and buzbee is a bumb! This kid might be something you never know, plus he will come in and bust it because he won't have another chance in the league if the skins don't keep him.

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For a 3rd rounder this kid better not only make the team but he better be ready to contribute right away. Anyone have any idea of where he would have gone had he gone into the regular draft?

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[quote=Mattyk72;568216]For a 3rd rounder this kid better not only make the team but he better be ready to contribute right away. Anyone have any idea of where he would have gone had he gone into the regular draft?[/quote]

RI said 3rd, maybe 2nd & that Vinny & crew had him rated as 2nd.

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I like the pick - just comparing him to another SEC talent Robert Ayers I think Jarmon stacks up pretty well:

According to Gil Brandt here is Jarmon's pro day:
[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8114a802&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Supplemental draft features some players to watch[/url]

Jarmon held a Pro Day on July 9 and ran indoors on FieldTurf. He posted a 4.8-second 40-yard dash, had a 31-inch vertical jump, a 9-foot, 9-inch broad jump, a 4.28 short shuttle, a 7.38 three-cone drill and did 19 reps at 225 pounds on the bench press. He looked very good in positional drills.

Now here is Robert Ayers pro day stats:
[url=http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=33666&draftyear=2009&genpos=DE]Robert Ayers | Tennessee, DE : 2009 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile[/url]


Combine:
Height: 6031
Weight: 272
40 Yrd Dash: 4.77
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 18
Vertical Jump: 29 1/2
Broad Jump: 08'06"

Pro Day:
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.46
3-Cone Drill: 7.07

They also had similar stats: Jarmon had 3 1/2 sacks, 5 hurries and 10 tackles for loss in 2008, while Ayers had 3 sacks, 5 hurries and 17 tackles for loss. The last stat is the big differentiator, but here is another: Jarmon had 9 sacks, 3 hurries and 16 TFLs in 2007 vs. Ayers' 4 sacks, 3 hurries and 13 TFLs.

So if the Broncos used the 18th pick in the first round on Ayers while the Skins used a third rounder on Jarmon I think we did pretty well...

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good info Bill B

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The supplemental draft is supposed to be "bargain shopping" you should be able to get Day 1 talent with Day 2 picks. If you rate a guy as a 2nd round talent, then you want to pick him in the 4th round or later in my opinion. I think that this was a reach and I hope that I am not bitching about it still in April.

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Sounds like the Lions were ready to take him at the top of the 4th.

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[quote=Angry;568226]The supplemental draft is supposed to be "bargain shopping" you should be able to get Day 1 talent with Day 2 picks. If you rate a guy as a 2nd round talent, then you want to pick him in the 4th round or later in my opinion. I think that this was a reach and I hope that I am not bitching about it still in April.[/quote]

3rd rounder is a Day 2 pick

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHXQMQ9aSWI]YouTube - Jeremy Jarmon QB sack[/ame]

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[quote=Mattyk72;568216]For a 3rd rounder this kid better not only make the team but he better be ready to contribute right away. [B]Anyone have any idea of where he would have gone had he gone into the regular draft[/B]?[/quote]

Most scouts thought he'd go as high as 3 to as low as 6 in this years draft, so there is a debate about his talent level. He had a good year in '07 but obviously didn't play last year. Since we coughed up a 3rd I expect him to contribute some this season but hopefully he'll have a bigger role in 2010. I think Buzbee gets cut, and Jarmon has a chance to backup one of the starting end's.

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When we pick 32nd next year, that 3rd will essentially be a 4th. :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;568231]3rd rounder is a Day 2 pick[/quote]


Edit: I misread your post...or did I? The ol' Warpath version of the "Jedi mind Trick"

Yes but it is still practically day 1 talent. I just think its too high now matter how you think about it.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;568213]Wynn is done anyway, and buzbee is a bumb! This kid might be something you never know, plus he will come in and bust it because he won't have another chance in the league if the skins don't keep him.[/quote]

Buzbee is a bumb? Kind of harsh on ole boy aren't you?

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[quote=Paintrain]1) So you think Vinny, Zorn and Blache are all lying about him playing DE in passing situations?[/quote]
Lying is a strong word... I think he'll line up at DE about as much as Marcus Washington did.


[quote=Paintrain]Conspiracy much?[/quote] Not a conspiracy, just a smart move from a PR perspective. However, PFT did report that the Lions would have taken him with their 4th if we didnt take him with our 3rd, so i'm less annoyed with the price we paid for him.

[quote=Paintrain]If we don't make any trades we will net 6 players from the 2010 draft but will have an extra years experience out of one of them.[/quote] I thought for sure the Eagles and Giants had double digit draft picks. Guess i was mistaken. Its good to know we wont be as far behind everyone as we were this year.

[quote=Paintrain]I don't see how this can be viewed as a bad move. We're going to have another player this season and while we're not using this pick in April we're still going to have our 2010 3rd round pick on the roster. [/quote] And considering he will be able to learn from guys like Daniels and Wynn, who probably won't be here next year, he has the opportunity to learn from some of the toughest, classiest, veteran DEs out there. Hopefully, he will take full advantage of the opportunity.

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[quote=Angry;568240]Not anymore, 3rd rounder is a Day 2 pick...but yeah I see your logic. I think that 3 was too high though. We'll see.



[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/23/AR2007102301092.html?hpid=topnews]NFL Shortens 1st Round of Draft - washingtonpost.com[/url][/quote]

Wait, didn't I just say 3rd rounder is a day 2 pick? Why'd you say not anymore?

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[quote=Lotus;568239]When we pick 32nd next year, that 3rd will essentially be a 4th. :)[/quote]

What type of medication are you on? And can I have some, please?

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[quote=SmootSmack;568246]Wait, didn't I just say 3rd rounder is a day 2 pick? Why'd you say not anymore?[/quote]

I mis-read your post and now I'm all confused.

Lets keep it simple. I would have been ok with a 4th round pick. 3 was too high IMO.