Vick conditionally reinstated by NFL (updated)
 

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4352034]Source: Roger Goodell might suspend Michael Vick for first four games of 2009 NFL season - ESPN[/url]

Your thoughts on where Vick lands and will he start at some point this season? Good timing for him he can get on before camps start.

For the record, I'm not a Vick fan at all.

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Im not a Vick fan either . I would guess Oakland as a qb/wr type . It would be interesting to see him in Minnesota with Peterson , Harvin and possibly Favre ?

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Well, he's not my top choice for a QB even though I think he should be given the chance. He was never a pocket passer and it wasn't until his last few yrs they tried to make him one and I don't think it worked out. He's more of the "Run and shoot" or "Fun and Gun" style of QB. I don't know of any team still using that style anymore. Most are using some semblance of the WCO.

So the only other reason to pick him up would be if you were looking to use the "Wild Cat." Which teams used it? Which teams used it succesfully? and Which teams are looking to use it in the future? These are the teams who could use him.
Miami picked up a QB for this purpose out of the draft.
Maybe NE.

The Skins have not shown interest in using the Wild Cat so unless they are looking to ditch TC then I see no value MV has to the Skins.

He might work out in Minn. San Fran. Maybe even Houston. I'm not sure what style offense Detroit is going to run. He might work out for the Rams.

The NFL network was talking about Jacksonville maybe could utilize him.

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Seems like a really fair deal to me, although the battle is just beginning for him. First step will be actually getting signed. I have a feeling if someone ends up picking him up before the season starts it will be someone we don't expect.

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As far as I am concerned Vick can go anywhere but Washington.

Wherever he goes he will bring a media circus. I don't know if you want that in a backup. Therefore someone who wants him to start may take him. Maybe someone like Tampa.

However, he hasn't played a down in some time. I'm not sure that he would be effective, at least at first, even in the Wildcat. I'd make the same argument regarding his shift to another position, etc.

I'm surprised that he only got 4 weeks suspension.

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Not here!!!!! PLEASE

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Definitely a fair deal for him.

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I don't want him here. Not because of the media frenzy that would follow the team but I don't think he's mentally ready for what he's going to face (media, fans, etc.).

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Please go to Dallas.

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Vick will be a redskin .

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Id love to see Vic as a redskin, he already knows the WestCoast Offense.
For everyone saying no to Vic!!! Then who takes the reins if Campbell doesnt
show he's worthy??? Todd Collins(NOT..the offense has changed and he isnt a West Coast guy) Colt Brennan(If he was ready he'd be atleast the primary backup already)

Bring in VIC, hes a vet (at minimum hes the cheapest starting caliber backup QB out there),

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;569655]Id love to see Vic as a redskin, he already knows the WestCoast Offense.
For everyone saying no to Vic!!! Then who takes the reins if Campbell doesnt
show he's worthy??? Todd Collins(NOT..the offense has changed and he isnt a West Coast guy) Colt Brennan(If he was ready he'd be atleast the primary backup already)

Bring in VIC, hes a vet (at minimum hes the cheapest starting caliber backup QB out there),[/quote]

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Got to be honest, if Vick came to Washington I might have to look for another team to pull for. I have been a Skins fan since I was five years old, but I do not know if I could support them if Vick came aboard.

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[quote=wilsowilso;569644]Please go to Dallas.[/quote]
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I love that idea

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[quote=Mattyk72;569637]Definitely a fair deal for him.[/quote]


I am not so sure about that Matty. I know of people who have done things more serious, people in the league ,who have not spent the better part of three years of their life incarcerated and lost potentially more than a hundred million dollars. I DO NOT CONDONE WHAT HE DID ONE IOTA, but sentiments aside, human life [U]is[/U] the most precious thing. There are people in many cities and rural communities that are obviously neglecting, beating, fighting, and abusing their animals and we are lucky if they are given a summons and the animals are taken away. I know this. This guy did something very wrong, he HAD to pay a price, it was a very high price, the highest price anybody has ever paid for that enterprise. If he is remorseful, I think he should be allowed to try to repair his life, his name, and his conscience...just not in Washington.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;569624][url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4352034]Source: Roger Goodell might suspend Michael Vick for first four games of 2009 NFL season - ESPN[/url]

Your thoughts on where Vick lands and will he start at some point this season? Good timing for him he can get on before camps start.

For the record, I'm not a Vick fan at all.[/quote]

On the Dan Patrick show today they spent a lot of time talking about how the Skins were the most likely team to take him. One of the comments was, "They don't have any players that can take it to the house. The need a play-maker". The only other team they mentioned was the Raiders. Sucks that the Skins are mentioned in the same sentence with the Raiders when it comes to flashy free agent signings.

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[quote=Lotus;569633]As far as I am concerned Vick can go anywhere but Washington.

Wherever he goes he will bring a media circus. I don't know if you want that in a backup. Therefore someone who wants him to start may take him. Maybe someone like Tampa.

However, he hasn't played a down in some time. I'm not sure that he would be effective, at least at first, even in the Wildcat. I'd make the same argument regarding his shift to another position, etc.

[B]I'm surprised that he only got 4 weeks suspension.[/B][/quote]

Really? I don't get the 4 game suspension at all. Vick already lost his credibility and reputation, his fortune, and two years of freedom. He's missed 32 regular season games over that span as well. He committed some horrible crimes, and suffered some horrible consequences.

I think the 4 game suspension is stupid. What metric did Goodell use to determine 4 games was appropriate? Did he look at everything that's happened to Vick since his conviction and say, yeah, that's about right, but I think we should throw on 4 more weeks just because. Obviously, his jail sentence aside, a 4 week suspension is waaay too light for Vick's crimes. But he's been put through the wringer over the past 2 years. Why a 4 game suspension at this point? Makes no sense to me.

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[quote=44Deezel;569665][B]On the Dan Patrick show today they spent a lot of time talking about how the Skins were the most likely team to take him[/B]. One of the comments was, "They don't have any players that can take it to the house. The need a play-maker". The only other team they mentioned was the Raiders. Sucks that the Skins are mentioned in the same sentence with the Raiders when it comes to flashy free agent signings.[/quote]

I did not catch the show, and am not doubting what you overheard. But I would take that as nothing but a cheap rumor at best.

The SKINS have stated there position (No Interest) on Vick before and I see no reason for that to change. And I certainly hope nothing has changed from the clubs point of view.

I guess time will tell. But I think his chances of landing in DC are slim and none.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;569667]I did not catch the show, and am not doubting what you overheard. But I would take that as nothing but a cheap rumor at best.

The SKINS have stated there position (No Interest) on Vick before and I see no reason for that to change. And I certainly hope nothing has changed from the clubs point of view.

I guess time will tell. [B]But I think his chances of landing in DC are slim and none[/B].[/quote]

I agree. Wholeheartedly.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;569667]I did not catch the show, and am not doubting what you overheard. But I would take that as nothing but a cheap rumor at best.

The SKINS have stated there position (No Interest) on Vick before and I see no reason for that to change. And I certainly hope nothing has changed from the clubs point of view.

I guess time will tell. But I think his chances of landing in [B]DC are slim and none[/B].[/quote]

Which one is it? Slim or none? :)

Anyway, all 32 teams right now are not expressing any interest publicly. They're all waiting to get the official ruling from Goodell. Methinks that may change once he's officially reinstated.

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[quote=GMScud;569666]Really? I don't get the 4 game suspension at all. Vick already lost his credibility and reputation, his fortune, and two years of freedom. He's missed 32 regular season games over that span as well. He committed some horrible crimes, and suffered some horrible consequences.

I think the 4 game suspension is stupid. What metric did Goodell use to determine 4 games was appropriate? Did he look at everything that's happened to Vick since his conviction and say, yeah, that's about right, but I think we should throw on 4 more weeks just because. Obviously, his jail sentence aside, a 4 week suspension is waaay to light for Vick's crimes. But he's been put through the wringer over the past 2 years. [B]Why a 4 game suspension at this point?[/B] Makes no sense to me.[/quote]

I think the 4 game suspension was for public relations only. As you've stated, Vick has already lost a LOT.

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[quote=GMScud;569666]Really? I don't get the 4 game suspension at all. Vick already lost his credibility and reputation, his fortune, and two years of freedom. He's missed 32 regular season games over that span as well. He committed some horrible crimes, and suffered some horrible consequences.

[B]I think the 4 game suspension is stupid[/B]. What metric did Goodell use to determine 4 games was appropriate? Did he look at everything that's happened to Vick since his conviction and say, yeah, that's about right, but I think we should throw on 4 more weeks just because. Obviously, his jail sentence aside, a 4 week suspension is waaay to light for Vick's crimes. But he's been put through the wringer over the past 2 years. Why a 4 game suspension at this point? Makes no sense to me.[/quote]

There has been no four game suspension handed out at this time, unless some new news has just unfolded. It's a possibility.

But, if he gets four games or even more that's up to the commish and whatever he feels is appropriate. Personally, I could care less how much suspension the clown gets. If he does get a suspension I have no problem at all with it. It's supposed to be a privilege to play in this league.

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[quote=GMScud;569669][B]Which one is it? Slim or none?[/B] :)

Anyway, all 32 teams right now are not expressing any interest publicly. They're all waiting to get the official ruling from Goodell. Methinks that may change once he's officially reinstated.[/quote]

OK...GM, Here it is straight at ya. [U][B] NONE![/B][/U] ;)

They will hold true to word, bone head will land elsewhere.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;569672]There has been no four game suspension handed out at this time, unless some new news has just unfolded. It's a possibility.

But, if he gets four games or even more that's up to the commish and whatever he feels is appropriate. Personally, I could care less how much suspension the clown gets. If he does get a suspension I have no problem at all with it. It's supposed to be a privilege to play in this league.[/quote]

Multiple media outlets are reporting that he's getting a 4 game suspension. I understand it's up to he commish to do what he feels is appropriate. What I'm questioning is the thinking behind 4 games. Like I said, for what Vick did, 4 games is way too light. But obviously he's suffered a ton for his actions separate from any league punishment. So why 4 games? I just don't get it.

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I'll be honest...I think he's paid his debt. I agree with Mike Wise's take on this.
[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/22/AR2009072203266.html]washingtonpost.com[/url]

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[quote=FRPLG;569675]I'll be honest...I think he's paid his debt. I agree with Mike Wise's take on this.
[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/22/AR2009072203266.html]washingtonpost.com[/url][/quote]

Excellent article. Sometimes I think people focus on little things and don't look at the big picture. Let the guy play and let's move on with your football fan lives.

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ok every one is going to hate me for saying this, but it would excite the hell out of me if we signed Vick. Cut Todd and make him our back up QB. Zorn is the perfect guy to train this guy.

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[quote=FRPLG;569675]I'll be honest...I think he's paid his debt. I agree with Mike Wise's take on this.
[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/22/AR2009072203266.html"]washingtonpost.com[/URL][/quote]

Very good article. Mike Wise always brings it. I agree verbatim with that column.

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[quote=GMScud;569666]Really? I don't get the 4 game suspension at all. Vick already lost his credibility and reputation, his fortune, and two years of freedom. He's missed 32 regular season games over that span as well. He committed some horrible crimes, and suffered some horrible consequences.

I think the 4 game suspension is stupid. What metric did Goodell use to determine 4 games was appropriate? Did he look at everything that's happened to Vick since his conviction and say, yeah, that's about right, but I think we should throw on 4 more weeks just because. Obviously, his jail sentence aside, a 4 week suspension is waaay too light for Vick's crimes. But he's been put through the wringer over the past 2 years. Why a 4 game suspension at this point? Makes no sense to me.[/quote]

I agree with what you say.

I was surprised by the suspension simply because the Commish has been a hard ass of late and previously Vick directly lied to the Commish.

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Honestly I think he got screwed by PETA. Sure, what he did was horrible and he is a inhumane person for doing it. I am not defending a scum like him.

BUT let's face it, we signed AH for $100 million dollars who ran someone over (and almost paralyzed him) and stomped on someone's *face*. We signed Jeremy Bridges who was arrested for assault and battery last year. Plax shot himself (<grin>), Matt Jones did cocaine, and others have done a lot of other crimes (I think there were 58 nfl player arrests in 2008)..

Sure what Vick did was bad, but why is everyone else let go with a slap on the wrist?

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[quote=GMScud;569674]Multiple media outlets are reporting that he's getting a 4 game suspension. I understand it's up to he commish to do what he feels is appropriate. What I'm questioning is the thinking behind 4 games. Like I said, for what Vick did, 4 games is way too light. But obviously he's suffered a ton for his actions separate from any league punishment. So why 4 games? I just don't get it.[/quote]

How many more games do you think he should miss?

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[quote=Zerohero;569687]How many more games do you think he should miss?[/quote]

This is what I don't get...hasn't Vick pretty much missed two seasons worth of games?

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[quote=Zerohero;569687]How many more games do you think he should miss?[/quote]
I think he has missed enough and should be able to play now. I also think that this four game suspension theory has been intensionally leaked by Godell so he could gage public sentiment.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;569689]I think he has missed enough and should be able to play now. I also think that this four game suspension theory has been intensionally leaked by Godell so he could gage public sentiment.[/quote]

You beat me to it, excellent post.... It could go either way.

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[quote=Ruhskins;569688]This is what I don't get...hasn't Vick pretty much missed two seasons worth of games?[/quote]

I agree...if he has been actively suspended indefinitely by the commisioner during his imprisonment his discipline started at that point...time served.

Also, this Vick hoopla will last until the game he's allowed back in and then doesn't get time due to inefficiency. It's foolish to think he'll be the same player he was pre-incarceration.

Let the guy play...he'll suck anyway, it won't matter.

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If Goodell suspends Vick at this point, IMO, it will be because Mike Vick lied to him at the draft a few years ago and if that's the case, it's just being petty. Vick has been suspended for 2 years already! There's no reason to tack on another quarter of the season.

I don't believe that Roger Goodell will keep Stallworth out of for as long as Vick has been suspended, and that's flat out retarded. What Donte Stallworth did was probably 10 times worse than anything Michael Vick did.

I wouldn't even mind seeing Vick as the backup to Campbell this year, particularly because he's so hated that if Jason were playing mediocre, most Skins fans would still by him just so they didn't have to call Vick their QB. If the Campbell gets hurt, I would rather see Vick on the field than Todd Collins or Colt Brennan.

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the guy did the crime, and then did his time. i really don't think more time off is warranted

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[quote=44Deezel;569665]On the Dan Patrick show today they spent a lot of time talking about how the Skins were the most likely team to take him. One of the comments was, "They don't have any players that can take it to the house. The need a play-maker". The only other team they mentioned was the Raiders. Sucks that the Skins are mentioned in the same sentence with the Raiders when it comes to flashy free agent signings.[/quote]

Funny that crap like this is still being discussed when the Redskins came out and said they weren't going to consider him weeks ago.

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[quote=GMScud;569666]Really? I don't get the 4 game suspension at all. Vick already lost his credibility and reputation, his fortune, and two years of freedom. He's missed 32 regular season games over that span as well. He committed some horrible crimes, and suffered some horrible consequences.

I think the 4 game suspension is stupid. What metric did Goodell use to determine 4 games was appropriate? Did he look at everything that's happened to Vick since his conviction and say, yeah, that's about right, but I think we should throw on 4 more weeks just because. Obviously, his jail sentence aside, a 4 week suspension is waaay too light for Vick's crimes. But he's been put through the wringer over the past 2 years. Why a 4 game suspension at this point? Makes no sense to me.[/quote]

If he gets a 4 game suspension, I think it is more for the blunt in your face lies to Goodell when this whole thing began for Vick. I don't think Goodell has forgotten those, nor just set them aside. I really have no problem with any decision Goodell makes, if he clears him with probationary period or if he suspends him for 1 year. Either way Vick will get a chance to go back to being in the NFL at ungodly wages. Not sure how many other convicted felons get that opportunity.

As many have stated, if he can come back, good for him, just not here on the Skins!

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I don't think Vick will actually be suspended for the 4 games. I think if he keeps his nose clean during camp he will be good to go.

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[quote=53Fan;569670]I think the 4 game suspension was for public relations only. As you've stated, Vick has already lost a LOT.[/quote]

I agree. If he is suspended, it will in part be Goodell's way of 1) showing the public & league that he'll hold a higher standard than the courts, and 2) letting the season begin w/out the negative media attention. Would be much better for Goodell if the major story is Farve!