Sellers believes he's due for raise
 

[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/05/sellers-believes-hes-due-for-raise/]Sellers believes he's due for raise - Washington Times[/url]

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Caveman is and always has been one of my favorite players. He's a beast, and is definitely worth more than the $900K we're paying him.

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So do I....... believe I'm due for a raise A BIG ONE! I'm a BIG MIKE fan but, your under contract, get to work!

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[quote=GMScud;572797]Caveman is and always has been one of my favorite players. He's a beast, and is definitely worth more than the $900K we're paying him.[/quote]

Perhaps, but he's also 34 (35?) and it wouldn't hurt us to start looking for his replacement. I think we should be doing the same for Portis/Betts as well (but that's another story)

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2 years left on his contract. i would extend him for another year. That gives us ample time to groom a backup.

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Not sure how much you want to throw at a 34 year old FB, but they should look to throw him some sort of bone.

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[quote=SmootSmack;572802]Perhaps, but he's also 34 (35?) and it wouldn't hurt us to start looking for his replacement. I think we should be doing the same for Portis/Betts as well (but that's another story)[/quote]

There is no age limit for pounding on people...just on pounding the rock. He is still a very good Fullback. Besides the last couple of Fullbacks that we drafted, didn't really pan out. Perhaps we should just find some young undrafted kid to do the job when MS can't do it anymore. Or we can just move Yoder to FB. He is only 31. :laughing-

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Lorenzo Neal is old as hell and he's still putting in work.

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[quote=SmootSmack;572802]Perhaps, but he's also 34 (35?) and it wouldn't hurt us to [B]start looking for his replacement[/B]. I think we should be doing the same for Portis/Betts as well (but that's another story)[/quote]

What about Eddie Williams. Hopefully that will be his replacement.

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Give him something more. He's worth it.

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Im a huge fan. I am so glad he made the pro bowl, and he could have gone there the last few years IMO. Throw him a bone.

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They definitely should give him something, if for no other reason than it likely builds morale when you reward players who outperform their deals and don't hold out.

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[quote=Mattyk72;572806]Not sure how much you want to throw at a 34 year old FB, but they should look to throw him some sort of bone.[/quote]

I agree. He's a longtime Redskin and a core guy. More than that he's a beast out there. He's a vocal leader and he's a team guy. Let's not break the bank but i think an extension would be well deserved.

I see both sides to it. On one side you might say, you've signed a contract so play it out. On the other side you might say that these contracts aren't guaranteed and Mike Sellers has outplayed his contract. I can see it from the eyes of the player too. You've got a limited amount of time to make your money...so make it.

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I think we should base his contract on how high he can jump.

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[quote=firstdown;572821]I think we should base his contract on how high he can jump.[/quote]

or how many one arm push-ups he can do.

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[quote=redsk1;572818]I agree. He's a longtime Redskin and a core guy. More than that he's a beast out there. He's a vocal leader and he's a team guy. Let's not break the bank but i think an extension would be well deserved.

I see both sides to it. On one side you might say, you've signed a contract so play it out. On the other side you might say that these contracts aren't guaranteed and Mike Sellers has outplayed his contract. I can see it from the eyes of the player too. You've got a limited amount of time to make your money...so make it.[/quote]

He did leave us, get in trouble, then we gave him a second chance. I like him but if 900k a year is not good enough then too bad.

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Give him a cool mill I say.

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900000 and jason taylor played how many games and got how many mill(he was hurt but almost ten times as much come on)? doesnt add up

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Man's got a point. I think he should get a little more cash given how well he has played for us the past four years.

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[quote=47FAN;572835]900000 and jason taylor played how many games and got how many mill(he was hurt but almost ten times as much come on)? doesnt add up[/quote]

I think you are kinda comparing apples to oranges there. I like Sellers a lot, but for some reason the image of him fumbling at the 1-yd line in that game against Cincinnati keeps popping in my mind. I know it's unfair to say that, but that was just a terrible moment for the Skins last year.

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[quote=Ruhskins;572838]I think you are kinda comparing apples to oranges there. I like Sellers a lot, but for some reason the image of him fumbling at the 1-yd line in that game against Cincinnati keeps popping in my mind. I know it's unfair to say that, but [B]that was just a terrible moment for the Skins last year[/B].[/quote]

There were plenty of bad moments for the Skins last year and it wasn't just Sellers making them. What would we look like without him? [B]Give him some money![/B]

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[quote=53Fan;572839]There were plenty of bad moments for the Skins last year and it wasn't just Sellers making them. What would we look like without him? [B]Give him some money![/B][/quote]

I'm not disagreeing (and like I said, it was unfair for me to bring this up), but I just remember going insane when it happened.

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[quote=Ruhskins;572841]I'm not disagreeing (and like I said, it was unfair for me to bring this up), but[B] I just remember going insane when it happened[/B].[/quote]

Well I did too Ruh, but I thought the ball crossed the goaline or at least the whistle should have been blown. Anyway, he makes Portis and the rest of this offense better and he's worth more than he's making compared to some of the other FB's. I'm not trying to make a big deal out of it, but with all the players in the league whose effort is less than stellar, I think Mike deserves this and I think we're better when he's on the field.

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On a personal level, it's only fair to give him what he deserves: within the top 5 of fullback salaries.

On a business level, it can be justified and leveraged by 2 major things- his recent past production/performance consistently for years and potential to continue to produce. Lorenzo Neal is 38 years old. Mike Sellers is 34. I think it's comparible to use Neal's age, durability, and longevity in football to predict Sellers's. At least 4 more years for Sellers at this level may be likely.

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And 2 seasons from now, when his contract is up- I would not want to see him in a giants uniform blocking for Brandon Jacobs. Could you or would you want to imagine that? That's what you would call a power run game.

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[quote=warriorzpath;572844]On a personal level, it's only fair to give him what he deserves: within the top 5 of fullback salaries.

On a business level, it can be justified and leveraged by 2 major things- his recent past production/performance consistently for years and potential to continue to produce. Lorenzo Neal is 38 years old. Mike Sellers is 34. I think it's comparible to use Neal's age, durability, and longevity in football to predict Sellers's. At least 4 more years for Sellers at this level may be likely.[/quote]

Well said.

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The Caveman is a monster. I really would not want to sit across from him and tell him that he didn't deserve a raise. He might hurdle the table and administer one of the patented "Curl up in the fetal position like Zach Thomas" hits.

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Unfortunately for Sellers, contracts are based on the future -- not the past. From a business perspective, it really just doesn't make sense. Sorry Mike.

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When the guy doesn't fumble on the 1 and decides to not half-ass warm-ups, then we can talk. He's under contract and not in his final year, STFU and play.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;572851]When the guy doesn't fumble on the 1 and decides to not half-ass warm-ups, then we can talk. He's under contract and not in his final year, STFU and play.[/quote]
Did you mention that to him at TC today ;)

Seriously though, all the quotes look like a lot of good stuff today, did you have a good time there?

Same question to you Daseal!

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;572851]When the guy doesn't fumble on the 1 and decides to not half-ass warm-ups, then we can talk. He's under contract and not in his final year, STFU and play.[/quote]


I am sure that will go over well with him. Especially since that is how they treat Portis and every free agent who gets flown in on a private jet.

Look at Randle-El. He contributes one trick play a year to the team and gets paid #2 or #1 WR money.

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I've never seen a pro-bowl player who's as much a team player as Mike Sellers is catch so much s**t from his own teams fans. I'd ask for the money too. It's not like he's holding out. Even Stump Mitchell sees him playing a few more years. Why not renegotiate his contract? We've renegotiated lots of others. I could see him playing 4 or 5 more years.

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I think he deserves it, but now is not the time to be dealing with that. Unlike the JC media comments, I do think this is a time to tell your agent what you want, and go out and bust your ass to prove it.

after the season I hope he gets a good bump or extension.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;572864]I think he deserves it, [B]but now is not the time to be dealing with that[/B]. Unlike the JC media comments, I do think this is a time to tell your agent what you want, and go out and bust your ass to prove it.

after the season I hope he gets a good bump or extension.[/quote]

True. I agree.

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I think it's a smart move by the FO. No matter what happens this year it's not like next year if he becomes a free agent teams will be going hard after a 35 year old fullback. I think he deserves more money, but I don't know if anybody is willing to give it to him.

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Guys, it's nice to think "He played hard, give him more money." Are you the same fans that bitch about our lack of cap space? The FO inability to make shrewd moves? If you thought paying an over the hill free agent is bad, why would you pay an over the hill player under contract.

I'd love to say "Sure, give him more money, he's played hard!" but lets face it, it is a bad business move. Save the money, let Sellers walk IN TWO YEARS, and thank him for his service. Don't throw precious cap space away on a 35 year old fullback. I realize NFL players have short careers and they sacrifice their bodies for the game -- but the man is due 900,000, he's not starving.

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[quote=Daseal;572881]Guys, it's nice to think "He played hard, give him more money." Are you the same fans that bitch about our lack of cap space? The FO inability to make shrewd moves? If you thought paying an over the hill free agent is bad, why would you pay an over the hill player under contract.

I'd love to say "Sure, give him more money, he's played hard!" but lets face it, it is a bad business move. Save the money, let Sellers walk IN TWO YEARS, and thank him for his service. Don't throw precious cap space away on a 35 year old fullback. I realize NFL players have short careers and they sacrifice their bodies for the game -- but the man is due 900,000, he's not starving.[/quote]
Crystalized my thoughts eloquently.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;572854]I am sure that will go over well with him. Especially since that is how they treat Portis and every free agent who gets flown in on a private jet.

Look at Randle-El. He contributes one trick play a year to the team and gets paid #2 or #1 WR money.[/quote]I don't write the checks, but if I did ARE probably wouldn't be here and if he was it would be for a lot less. If you look at Portis' contract structure his days may be numbered after this year also.

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yeah, but pay him next year, you know there won't be a cap ;)

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Seller's brought up a great point the other day, when he said he gets paid less than most of the FB's in the league, most of them who haven't even made a pro bowl. He's one of the top 2 best fullbacks in the league, hands down.