Smoot tried to decapitate DJ hackett
 

During the morning practice, CB Fred Smoot welcomed recent acquisition, WR D.J. Hackett, to Redskins Park. He then nearly decapitated Hackett on a slant pattern. Welcome to the team.









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[quote=SeanTaGodsSafety;573320]During the morning practice, CB Fred Smoot welcomed recent acquisition, WR D.J. Hackett, to Redskins Park. He then nearly decapitated Hackett on a slant pattern. Welcome to the team.









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He must have read Slingin Sammy's review of yesterdays practice, lol.

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I love Smoot! He may have lost a step but we are damn lucky to have him as a 3rd or 4th corner.

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I dunno which of the two that would make the team, either one of them or none of them.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;573323]I love Smoot! He may have lost a step but [B]we are damn lucky to have him as a 3rd or 4th corner[/B].[/quote]
your drinking the kool aid again. the way Smoot played last season, i would be shocked if he made the team. dude couldn't cover me or you

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ok guys smoot will make the team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Smoot is the new "toast." He was pretty bad last year, and I fully expect Kevin Barnes to push him for the #3 CB spot. He'll make the team because he's too expensive to cut, but he's WAY more bark than bite at this point.

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Payback for the Seattle playoff game?

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[quote=dmek25;573379]your drinking the kool aid again. the way Smoot played last season, i would be shocked if he made the team. dude couldn't cover me or you[/quote]

What am I missing on Smoot? I saw every game last year and I don't remember him being a glaring weakness.

Shawn Springs used to give up touchdowns against top receivers. Rogers used to give up touchdowns pretty regularly.

Our system tends to put corners in make or break spots but I never considered Smoot to be near the liability that Torrence always was.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;573399]What am I missing on Smoot? I saw every game last year and I don't remember him being a glaring weakness.

Shawn Springs used to give up touchdowns against top receivers. Rogers used to give up touchdowns pretty regularly.

Our system tends to put corners in make or break spots but I never considered Smoot to be near the liability that Torrence always was.[/quote]An average pass at Fred Smoot (not a completion, an attempt) was worth 8.6 yards and one slip. That ranks him 70 best in the league, and that's the most flattering statistic I have on him.

He broke up seven passes last year, which was only 17 fewer than Rogers and 10 fewer than Hall, in about 3/4s the oppertunities. He picked off one pass, which means he's not even offering turnovers to help with his inability to cover.

Basically, I think if you watched all 16 games, at some point, you would have thought to yourself "god, this guy does not belong in the NFL anymore." Smoot has now had one good year in the last 4, so I think if he's a surprise cut in camp in order to try to fit a Doug Dutch, or Byron Westbrook, or depending on how things go in New Orleans, maybe even Leigh Torrence, Smoot's career is probably over.

He's a guy who had his best years with the Redskins, and I'm thankful for that, but those years were few and far between.

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[quote=GTripp0012;573402]An average pass at Fred Smoot (not a completion, an attempt) was worth 8.6 yards and one slip. That ranks him 70 best in the league, and that's the most flattering statistic I have on him.

He broke up seven passes last year, which was only 17 fewer than Rogers and 10 fewer than Hall, in about 3/4s the oppertunities. He picked off one pass, which means he's not even offering turnovers to help with his inability to cover.

Basically, I think if you watched all 16 games, at some point, you would have thought to yourself "god, this guy does not belong in the NFL anymore." Smoot has now had one good year in the last 4, so I think if he's a surprise cut in camp in order to try to fit a Doug Dutch, or Byron Westbrook, or depending on how things go in New Orleans, maybe even Leigh Torrence, Smoot's career is probably over.

He's a guy who had his best years with the Redskins, and I'm thankful for that, but those years were few and far between.[/quote]

I have felt that way about Torrence since day one but not about Smoot. I will pay more attention.

I am a little leary about stats like that because they don't calculate the talent of the receiver or down and distance. If they tell Smoot to take a 10 yard cushion and he gives up a bunch of catches for 7-9 yards that isn't his fault. I know he was burned on some long balls last year.

I would be amazed if Doug Dutch or Bryon Westbrook get a spot over him and they better not bring Torrence back. He is a joke.

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Smoot isn't done. He is the type of corner that will reap the most rewards if our pass rush makes a major leap forward in effectiveness.

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just about any division game last season, Smoot was brutal. there were times when i watched him on particular plays. and he just doesn't have it anymore. sorry to offend anyone

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[quote=GMScud;573388]Smoot is the new "toast." He was pretty bad last year, and I fully expect Kevin Barnes to push him for the #3 CB spot. He'll make the team because he's too expensive to cut, but he's WAY more bark than bite at this point.[/quote]

They say Tryon is the favorite for the #4 spot right now. Barnes would have to jump Tryon first and then Smoot as well. I want it to happen, but I don't expect it.

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[quote=GTripp0012;573402]An average pass at Fred Smoot (not a completion, an attempt) was worth 8.6 yards and one slip. That ranks him 70 best in the league, and that's the most flattering statistic I have on him.

He broke up seven passes last year, which was only 17 fewer than Rogers and 10 fewer than Hall, in about 3/4s the oppertunities. He picked off one pass, which means he's not even offering turnovers to help with his inability to cover.

Basically, I think if you watched all 16 games, at some point, you would have thought to yourself "god, this guy does not belong in the NFL anymore." Smoot has now had one good year in the last 4, so I think if he's a surprise cut in camp in order to try to fit a Doug Dutch, or Byron Westbrook, or depending on how things go in New Orleans, maybe even Leigh Torrence, Smoot's career is probably over.

He's a guy who had his best years with the Redskins, and I'm thankful for that, but those years were few and far between.[/quote]

Way more mouth than on field performance, but I think that's always been the case.

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[quote=wilsowilso;573405]Smoot isn't done. He is the type of corner that will reap the most rewards if our pass rush makes a major leap forward in effectiveness.[/quote]

Yeah, [B]he's a bad corner,[/B] which means he has to have a huge rush so the qb doesn't have the full 2 seconds it takes for his man to break free.

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Smoot was an absolute beast on the back end of 2007, following Taylor's death. But it seems more so that it was due to playing with extreme emotion. If he could channel that emotion again, maybe he'd go back to being a solid #2/strong nickel. But that doesn't seem as likely.

I think Smoot probably lasts one more year because of his veteran presence in the secondary. I think they'll find room to keep him so that their two back-ups aren't two inexperienced guys in Tryon and Barnes.

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I wish Smoot was still a solid CB but people are right he just isn't. I will say in his defense we've had a pathetic pass rush which puts more pressure on the secondary than most realize. The result is all of our CBs have given up plays...even the strangely lauded Springs who openly talked about our lack of pass rush and what that meant for his position. In short the strength of our secondary, especially under Williams, had to make up of the weakness of the line. Now there should be more balance...maybe Smooter will "look" better this year and nicely surprise most of us :)

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Smoot = HoF

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^ Hall of Fail????

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;573495]Smoot = HoF[/quote]

Hall of F'ing thanks to the love boat incident.

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If running his mouth was a paying job, he'd be wealthy man. He's smart enough to own a few Waffle Houses though. That's a good investment, especially when the bars let out. He knows he doesn't have long.

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love the guy, but 1 on 1 coverage isn't his forte any more. If he can press the reciever in a cover 2 he's likely at his best as he'd have deep help. I wonder if they're working him in the slot some?

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[quote=SmootSmack;573416]Smoot was an absolute beast on the back end of 2007, following Taylor's death. But it seems more so that it was due to playing with extreme emotion. If he could channel that emotion again, maybe he'd go back to being a solid #2/strong nickel. But that doesn't seem as likely.

I think Smoot probably lasts one more year because of his veteran presence in the secondary. I think they'll find room to keep him so that their two back-ups aren't two inexperienced guys in Tryon and Barnes.[/quote]

Yeah. I think this is Smoot's farewell tour. He may even know it. Fun guy, loved him during his first stint. Glad we got him back. I think he's done now, however, and I hope he doesn't cost us a game along the way.

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[quote=an23dy;573407]They say Tryon is the favorite for the #4 spot right now. Barnes would have to jump Tryon first and then Smoot as well. I want it to happen, but I don't expect it.[/quote]

If Smoot plays like he did last year, either Tryon or Barnes will bump him at some point. It may not be week 1, but it'll happen.

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[quote=The Goat;573490]I wish Smoot was still a solid CB but people are right he just isn't. [B] I will say in his defense we've had a pathetic pass rush which puts more pressure on the secondary than most realize[/B]. The result is all of our CBs have given up plays...even the strangely lauded Springs who openly talked about our lack of pass rush and what that meant for his position. In short the strength of our secondary, especially under Williams, had to make up of the weakness of the line. [B] Now there should be more balance...maybe Smooter will "look" better this year and nicely surprise most of us [/B]:)[/quote]

Good point Goat. I think Smoot will be around for one more year. With Tryon getting better by the reports we're getting and the drafting of Barnes, I think it makes for great competition. Between that and the new pass rush we seem to have, it may bring out the best in him. I certainly hope so. He's a great character and I'm sure his team-mates would miss him but with the competition we now have at that position, his days are probably numbered.

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I think Smoot will be our best corner this year.
I just don't trust DHall to be consistent. He is a crybaby that needs things to go his way for him to excel.
Rogers has the best cover skills but can't make a play when the ball is in the air.

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I'll say this about Smoot, the guy gives his all and plays hurt. His better days might be behind him, but he can still be a quality #3 or #4 corner.

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Everyone needs to just chill on the secondary. They are an above average group, smoot included. They would be great as a whole, if they forced more turnovers, but there's potential in the young ones - barnes and tryon. Barnes has great potential as a rookie. And from the early reports, Tryon seems to be coming on in his second year.

I think it's already been documented that there are a few weaknesses in everyone's game with all of the dbs, but overall they are above average group with the potential to be great.

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[quote=jamf;573523]I think Smoot will be our best corner this year.
I just don't trust DHall to be consistent. He is a crybaby that needs things to go his way for him to excel.
Rogers has the best cover skills but can't make a play when the ball is in the air.[/quote]

If Smoot is our best corner this year, I'll jump off a bridge.

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Don't worry about the secondary or anyone on defense for that matter. The redskins are stacked from top to bottom on defense. I think this is just misplaced negativity.

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[quote=warriorzpath;573534]Don't worry about the secondary or anyone on defense for that matter. The redskins are stacked from top to bottom on defense. I think this is just misplaced negativity.[/quote]

Misplaced negativity? Smoot just isn't good anymore. Hard to debate that. I think that's what a few us here are pointing out.

I like the dude, but he can't cover his eyes. That said, I really like our secondary, even if Smoot is the nickel. Our top two corners are top notch, and I love our safety mix.

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[quote=GMScud;573540]Misplaced negativity? Smoot just isn't good anymore. Hard to debate that. I think that's what a few us here are pointing out.

I like the dude, but he can't cover his eyes. That said, [B]I really like our secondary, even if Smoot is the nickel. [/B]Our top two corners are top notch, and I love our safety mix.[/quote]

That's all I'm saying - I like our secondary, even with Smoot at the nickel. Even with his inconsistency, I like his veteran instincts and every now and then he makes a big play.

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[quote=warriorzpath;573544]That's all I'm saying - I like our secondary, even with Smoot at the nickel. Even with his inconsistency, I like his veteran instincts and every now and then he makes a big play.[/quote]

I worded that wrong. I like our secondary DESPITE the fact that Smoot is our nickel. Hopefully Rogers/Hall and our solid rotation of safeties can overcome Smoot's deficiencies.

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[quote=GMScud;573528]If Smoot is our best corner this year, I'll jump off a bridge.[/quote]
It will be a VERY busy bridge..........

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[quote=GMScud;573547]I worded that wrong. I like our secondary DESPITE the fact that Smoot is our nickel. Hopefully Rogers/Hall and our solid rotation of safeties can overcome Smoot's deficiencies.[/quote]

As a nickle corner, he isn't that bad and there's a chance he'll make a play. He's inconsistent, but he is more often than not - covering well. Not tight, but solid enough that someone that he is assigned to doesn't get close to being wide open. And like I said already - there's a chance that he could even make a play on the ball in the air or make the play in run support. That's all I can ask out of a nickle corner.

But I have a feeling that this is something that you and I will continue to disagree on.

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[quote=warriorzpath;573551]As a nickle corner, he isn't that bad and there's a chance he'll make a play. He's inconsistent, but he is more often than not - covering well. Not tight, but solid enough that someone that he is assigned to doesn't get close to being wide open. And like I said already - there's a chance that he could even make a play on the ball in the air or make the play in run support. That's all I can ask out of a nickle corner.
[B]
But I have a feeling that this is something that you and I will continue to disagree on.[/B][/quote]

Yup. I know what I see on film, and I think he stinks. Agree to disagree I guess.

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I've always liked Smoot's personality and clubhouse antics, but he is definately not a premier corner in this league. He will make the team though, but I doubt he will be that big of a contribution.

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[quote=tootergray34;573557]I've always liked Smoot's personality and clubhouse antics, but he is definately not a premier corner in this league. He will make the team though, but I doubt he will be that big of a contribution.

also, if you guys could rally up and vote for my dog I know it's kind of lame but my wife is trying to get me to help. It doesn't take long.

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How did a thread about Smoot making a crazy play on a WR in training camp turn into a Smoot bashing session?

At any rate, the guy has been a great Redskin and a much needed voice in the locker room, and though i concede that he is a shadow of his former self, I won't say that I expect him to get cut. If for nothing else, he'd be worth a roster spot for his locker room presence and leadership b/c football is such a mental game, especially with this team. Sure, Barnes and Tryon are doing well in [B]training camp [/B]and they show promise for the future but when it comes to the [B]real games [/B](and even more so in the playoff chase and the postseason) it's going to come down to experience. I don't know about you but i'd rather have smoot at nickel than a rookie in the opening round of the playoffs, even if there is a drop off in physical ability.

Even if you think he did underperform last year, the level to which he underperformed did not warrant the type of reaction that some of you are displaying. Let's be honest there are plenty of other players on the team who sucked it up last year who arguably had a much bigger impact on the team's overall performance.