shaun suisham may be in trouble
 

I was at the Scrimmage and one thing I noticed was Rayner looked good kicking the ball. Suisham is in trouble.

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Good. This team is done with average players.

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The new kid has mad hang time.

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[quote=stu_nna;573823]The new kid has mad hang time.[/quote]

So did Durant Brooks.

I'm done with hype. It's high time for production. If he makes the team great but as far as I'm concerned he's a warm body to help Suisham with his competitive focus.

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[quote=wilsowilso;573819]Good. This team is done with average players.[/quote]

I think your right. Was it me or did that scrimmage lack intensity. And when Orakpo lined up at end in a four point stance, damn can he get off the ball. I was scared for Colt, might get a flashback and forget yellow means dont tackle.

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That's good news. Suisham's inaccyuracy last year was insult on injury for our struggling offense. What if he had made 4 or 5 of those missed 40 yarders?

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its just as well

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Scintillating discussion in this thread so far. We're comparing the hang time of the new kicker to that of Durant Brooks, a punter.

And thoughtful posts like "this team is done with average players."

WTF

Add something to the board or don't post.

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[quote=Schneed10;573836]Scintillating discussion in this thread so far. We're comparing the hang time of the new kicker to that of Durant Brooks, a punter.

And thoughtful posts like "this team is done with average players."

WTF

Add something to the board or don't post.[/quote]

Yeah seriously, so far this thread is in mega fail territory. Let's see if it can recover.

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I really thought Rayner was brought in just to give Suisham a little competition and maybe a little push. From what I've read, Rayner was kicking some long FG's before scrimmage and has a pretty good leg. Of course the key here is, "before scrimmage". We'll have to see how he looks during a game in the preseason. Could end up being a pretty good battle but if it's close, I think Suisham gets the job. The coaches seem to agree that part of his problem last year was changing holders so often. That will no longer be a problem with Hunter Smith holding.

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Here let me put the nail in the coffin, I don't see how anyone can evaluate the kicking from Sat since the way it reads play by play all the kicks were from the 20 yrd line. I want to see in game kicks where the "intensity" and nerves kick in. Which player will kick better under pressure and from the 40 yrd line and beyond.

Two yrs ago everyone was singing Swishes praise. Last yr with a rookie punter holding the ball he did terrible. To be honest I'd rather see Collins or Colt holding the ball so if there's a problem a pass attempt could be made. Maybe even a trick play, a fake field goal. In any case what is a punter going to do?.....punt for a field goal?

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i cant believe , over the years, that the skins cant find an above average kicker. look at some of the scrubs they have trotted out over the last couple of seasons( Suisham included)

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[quote=SBXVII;573846]Here let me put the nail in the coffin, I don't see how anyone can evaluate the kicking from Sat since the way it reads play by play all the kicks were from the 20 yrd line. I want to see in game kicks where the "intensity" and nerves kick in. Which player will kick better under pressure and from the 40 yrd line and beyond.

Two yrs ago everyone was singing Swishes praise. Last yr with a rookie punter holding the ball he did terrible. To be honest I'd rather see Collins or Colt holding the ball so if there's a problem a pass attempt could be made. Maybe even a trick play, a fake field goal. [B]In any case what is a punter going to do?.....punt for a field goal?[/B][/quote]

Drop kick. :)

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they should've cut suisham after he missed that 25 yarder in the playoffs at seattle.

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[quote=Schneed10;573836]Scintillating discussion in this thread so far. We're comparing the hang time of the new kicker to that of Durant Brooks, a punter.

[B]Add something to the board or don't post.[/B][/quote]

I can't believe the irony in this post.

I suppose you think hangtime has a different definition whether a football is kicked or punted. Both kickers and punter have the ability to have hangtime so I don't see your reasoning. I'm well aware Brooks was a punter and that Rayner is a kicker.

The crux of the matter here is that saying Rayner has hangtime, and believing it, is the same as believing Brooks had great hangtime last year when he consquently got cut from two NFL clubs in one season.


Sometimes mindless people will interject foolish statements with nothing of true substance.

...that's has some irony too I suppose.

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Who cares about hang time with a place kicker though?? Just put it through the uprights.

Sorry folks but Rayner isn't winning the job.

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[quote=Mattyk72;573860]Who cares about hang time with a place kicker though??[/quote]

If he's doing kickoffs its important. That's a special teams talent that lets your guys get down field.

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[quote=Mattyk72;573860]Who cares about hang time with a place kicker though?? Just put it through the uprights.

Sorry folks but Rayner isn't winning the job.[/quote]

So important in fact that Suisham was asked to adjust his technique early last season in order to get better hang time on kick-offs. He had been booting them deep, but with the low trajectory, the coverage guys weren't able to get downfield in time.

We weren't so good with opposing team field position last year IIRC.

I don't think Raymer will get the call, but Suisham was awful last year so something has to give.

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Gotta love this time of yr. I think the best time of yr is between Sept and April. Between April and Sept. has got to be the worst. No one can speak highly of a player they like, no one can speak negatively about a player they hate, no one can talk about players possibly getting unseated at their positions...with out getting bashed.

Reyner won't make the team. He's a camp scrubb. No other team would pick him up. All because Suish is the "Golden Boy."

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Our place kicker is an average player. I just want him to have some legit competition so he steps up his game.

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[quote=SBXVII;573866]Gotta love this time of yr. I think the best time of yr is between Sept and April. Between April and Sept. has got to be the worst. No one can speak highly of a player they like, no one can speak negatively about a player they hate, no one can talk about players possibly getting unseated at their positions...with out getting bashed.

[B]Reyner won't make the team. He's a camp scrubb. No other team would pick him up. All because Suish is the "Golden Boy."[/B][/quote]

Well, he is a scrub. Look at his dismal career stats or the fact he's with his 5th team in 5 years.

Not saying Suisham is anything special either, but to this point in their careers he's got the edge over Rayner.

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[quote=SBXVII;573866]Gotta love this time of yr. I think the best time of yr is between Sept and April. Between April and Sept. has got to be the worst. No one can speak highly of a player they like, no one can speak negatively about a player they hate, no one can talk about players possibly getting unseated at their positions...with out getting bashed.

Reyner won't make the team. He's a camp scrubb. No other team would pick him up. All because Suish is the "Golden Boy."[/quote]

I happen to think Rayner has a shot at unseating Suisham, but it's definitely a long-shot.

But as for your first paragraph, don't be an idiot. People here speak highly and lowly of players/coaches here all the time. Sometimes others agree, sometimes others don't. That's the whole point of a message board.

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[quote=SmootSmack;573880]I happen to think Rayner has a shot at unseating Suisham, but it's definitely a long-shot.[/quote]


i agree, if rayner has a strong preseason and suisham struggles then rayner could take his spot. i think suisham always practiced well but struggled during the times it really counted.

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Personally think they both should be renting apartments by the week in Ashburn. Hopefully we will pick up someone else after a few cuts..

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Didn't I read that Rayner was 3 for 3 and all kicks were 50+ yds? wouldnt that be an improvement?

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[quote=Skinny Tee;573826]So did Durant Brooks.

I'm done with hype. It's high time for production. If he makes the team great but as far as I'm concerned he's a warm body to help Suisham with his competitive focus.[/quote]


Been hearing that Suisham and Rayner have been missing quite a bit.

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28;573906]Didn't I read that Rayner was 3 for 3 and all kicks were 50+ yds? wouldnt that be an improvement?[/quote]

If that were true, yes, that would be an improvement. Swishy struggles from long range.

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[quote=dmek25;573847]i cant believe , over the years, that the skins cant find an above average kicker. look at some of the scrubs they have trotted out over the last couple of seasons( Suisham included)[/quote]Face, it, we haven't had a solid kicker since Chip Lohmiller, whom we drafted in the 2nd round about 20 years back. Even Lohmiller struggled early in his career, which comes to show what a crapshoot it is with these guys.

Norv Turner cut David Akers after one game in the midst of an 0-7 start in 1998, which may be one of the worst cuts made by the Redskins in the last 20 years.

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[quote=SouperMeister;573929]Face, it, we haven't had a solid kicker since Chip Lohmiller, whom we drafted in the 2nd round about 20 years back. Even Lohmiller struggled early in his career, which comes to show what a crapshoot it is with these guys.

Norv Turner cut David Akers after one game in the midst of an 0-7 start in 1998, which may be one of the worst cuts made by the Redskins in the last 20 years.[/quote]

I agree. Akers is still a fine kicker. He would have saved us from a bunch of headaches if we would have kept him.

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[quote=SouperMeister;573929]Face, it, we haven't had a solid kicker since Chip Lohmiller, whom we drafted in the 2nd round about 20 years back. Even Lohmiller struggled early in his career, which comes to show what a crapshoot it is with these guys.

Norv Turner cut David Akers after one game in the midst of an 0-7 start in 1998, which may be one of the worst cuts made by the Redskins in the last 20 years.[/quote]

Who would have known Akers would turn out to be the player he's become. He was pretty awful with us

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All I can say is that I don't have many good memories of Shuisham winning us games, or making lots of long field goals. All of my memories of Shaun are of him missing lots of field goals and just missing on some of the long field goals. This could be the end of him here, but my gut feeling is that he will, in the end, still be here; and Rayner will be somewhere else.

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[quote=SmootSmack;573947]Who would have known Akers would turn out to be the player he's become. He was pretty awful with us[/quote]Akers wasn't given a proper chance with us. Norv cut Scott Blanton after two games in '98 and Casserly signed Akers to kick against Seatle in week 3. Akers was 0-2 in FGs, both over 40 yards, but surely he had more leg strength than the guy who replaced him, an aging Cary Blanchard, who was gone the next year. One of my huge problems with our kickers since then hasn't only been inconsistency on FGs, but the short kickoffs that all but assure returns to the 25 or 30 yard line. Akers was one of the best deep kickoff guys for the last decade, only declining last season after a groin injury.

Hopefully the kid competing against Suisham is given a fair shot, because it appears that he would be huge upgrade on kickoffs.

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I can't wait till Thursday, when we can actually start talking real game analysis. Open camps to the public also are very easy, we don't see everything that goes on during closed camps.

I am counting down to Thursday.

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[quote=wilsowilso;573819]Good. This team is done with average players.[/quote]
Well his atats are well below average and whats the reason that he has only kicked to FG in two years? Was he hurt or just coul not get on the field? He will not make the team.
[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/daverayner/careerstats?id=RAY750488]Dave Rayner: Career Stats[/url]

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[quote=skinsfan69;573856]they should've cut suisham after he missed that 25 yarder in the playoffs at seattle.[/quote]

I agree. I still can't get past that kick. They were going to win that game if he made that kick. I have no confidence in him in the clutch. And he has done nothing to earn this job since that awful back breaking kick.

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[quote=SouperMeister;573929]Face, it, we haven't had a solid kicker since Chip Lohmiller, whom we drafted in the 2nd round about 20 years back. Even Lohmiller struggled early in his career, which comes to show what a crapshoot it is with these guys.

Norv Turner cut David Akers after one game in the midst of an 0-7 start in 1998, which may be one of the worst cuts made by the Redskins in the last 20 years.[/quote]

I was just thinking of Lohmiller. He continued the Mosley tradition of clutch kicking.

Norvelle cutting Akers was one of several Norv low points in hindsight. Funny, I remember reading an interview years after he was fired in which Norv talked about how his record would've been so much better in DC if he'd had a good kicker!

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He's had some good games folks, let's not act like it's all bad with Swish. And he was pretty solid in 2007 when he was 29/35.

Did a little research and found this interesting. Before switching holders last year he was 12/15 for 80%. After changing holders he was 14/21 for 67%.

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[quote=freddyg12;574707]I was just thinking of Lohmiller. He continued the Mosley tradition of clutch kicking.

Norvelle cutting Akers was one of several Norv low points in hindsight. Funny, I remember reading an interview years after he was fired in which Norv talked about how his record would've been so much better in DC if he'd had a good kicker![/quote]

Akers at the time was just another kicker.

Easy to say now what a mistake it was, at the time he was a nobody.

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I expect Sushism to bounce back and win this job. But if he has another season like last season, he needs to get a swift kick in the a$$ out the door. Last year was unacceptable and pathetic regardless of holder.

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CBS Rapid Report:

August 11 3:39 ET

The FG special teams unit is practicing. Ks Shaun Suisham and Dave Rayner have alternated attempts. Rayner has only missed once while Suisham has missed three times. Rayner's kicks have been stronger and higher.