where is ramsey part 2!!
 

I realize i got rosted for it last weak but im gonna say it again. Patrick Ramsey needs to be starting for this team.

yes he does. he can actually throw deep.

I also realize i spelled roasted wrong

Where did this come from? I thought Brunell was the best quarterback to ever put on a Redskins uniform! Whatever happened to that sentiment?!

jdlea, a lot of people feel he was a waste of a pick and a huge signing bonus.

Until we sit Brunell, we will lose, and lose, and lose some more. Go Bears.

1-3.time to shake things up,sit brunell and start ramsey.

[QUOTE=jdlea]Where did this come from? I thought Brunell was the best quarterback to ever put on a Redskins uniform! Whatever happened to that sentiment?![/QUOTE]

If I were you, I would make a whole thread to myself to gloat. You deserve it. You said it all week...Brunell sucks

Seems the only plays Brunell makes are the ones where the guys is wide open... and even then it's a gamble. How many times did he have all day back there and end up throwing the ball away.

Brunell has no zip on the ball and cannot throw deep at all

if brunell had lead coles on that long pass up the middle it would have gone for 6

Brunell is Gibbs' boy so forget about it
 

As fans we have to realize that Brunell is Gibbs' boy he is going to stick with Brunell throughout the season. The only exception will be if there is an injury. We will be lucky to be 8-8.

[QUOTE=wolfeskins]1-3.time to shake things up,sit brunell and start ramsey.[/QUOTE]
you guys are full of shit and blind as stevie wonder if you think brunnell is the problem.portis can't hold onto the ball,sit his ass on the bench,give mccant's a chance to play,run some screen plays or draws.this ai'nt brunnel's fault.
ramsey is a joke at qb,really as an nfl qb WTF has he done but throw lots and lots of ints?imo,hasselback at this point is a better qb in the new system than ramsey is.ramsey could not hit the floor if he fell on it.do'nt get pissed fellows,just open your eyes and be patient.

Bigredskin - if I could understand what you wrote I'd retort. Remember Ramsey was used for times in the Spurrier era to come in and launch a ball as far as he could, which led to like 3 INTs. Brunell isn't hurting us anymore, but he sure as hell isn't moving us. Can't run without the threat of a pass, and can't pass without the threat of a run.

[QUOTE=BIGREDSKINFAN63]you guys are full of shit and blind as stevie wonder if you think brunnell is the problem.portis can't hold onto the ball,sit his ass on the bench,give mccant's a chance to play,run some screen plays or draws.this ai'nt brunnel's fault.
ramsey is a joke at qb,really as an nfl qb WTF has he done but throw lots and lots of ints?imo,hasselback at this point is a better qb in the new system than ramsey is.ramsey could not hit the floor if he fell on it.do'nt get pissed fellows,just open your eyes and be patient.[/QUOTE]
thats really pretty silly to say man... hasslebeck has more ints than TDs and more Ints/game compared to ramsey.

and portis needs to cut that shit out... penalties hit us pretty bad early on too...

Brunell is the only starter who I feel needs some time on the bench. Of about 120 minutes of football, he's only been good in about 15 of them. Gibbs' entire system depends on the credibility of the deep ball (run, throw deep, run, run, throw deep). Defenses are not going to back off Portis until we get a few deep completions. Ramsey's short passing game blows and Brunell's deep ball blows. Right now, I'd go with Ramsey.

I was against getting Brunell to begin with (due to dead cap space concerns) but giving up a high second rounder for him when Kerry Collins and others were on the market was insane.

Our dline could use a pass-rushing threat and we could use some depth at safety or TE or LB. That 2nd rounder would have helped us out nicely.

Brunell just doesn't cut it and anyone who thinks he does hasn't been watching out scoreboard lately.

Does anyone else eat alot when they get depressed/pissed off. I think I've gained like 7 pounds since the Skins started this season ( Eating Peanutbutter Brownies right now)

[QUOTE=aehs77]if brunell had lead coles on that long pass up the middle it would have gone for 6[/QUOTE]
if,if,if,if,.son do'nt you know that is the middle word of life?do'nt look back,look forward.

[QUOTE=BIGREDSKINFAN63]you guys are full of shit and blind as stevie wonder if you think brunnell is the problem.portis can't hold onto the ball,sit his ass on the bench,give mccant's a chance to play,run some screen plays or draws.this ai'nt brunnel's fault.
ramsey is a joke at qb,really as an nfl qb WTF has he done but throw lots and lots of ints?imo,hasselback at this point is a better qb in the new system than ramsey is.ramsey could not hit the floor if he fell on it.do'nt get pissed fellows,just open your eyes and be patient.[/QUOTE]
I criticized portis too. when ramsey came in this year he threw one pick that was his fault. One other was a tip and the other was an amazing defensive play.But more importantly. Ramsey moved the ball down the field and provided a spark.

[QUOTE=Daseal]Bigredskin - if I could understand what you wrote I'd retort. Remember Ramsey was used for times in the Spurrier era to come in and launch a ball as far as he could, which led to like 3 INTs. Brunell isn't hurting us anymore, but he sure as hell isn't moving us. Can't run without the threat of a pass, and can't pass without the threat of a run.[/QUOTE]
i'll put it in english okay.what has brunell done to lose the games so far?has has not thrown any pics yet has he?he is doing what is asked of him by his coaches.did'nt you listen to the game?if he was not moving the team today who was?with respect to ramsey,i'm talking about his"great"relief performance against the giants.all he had to do was throw 1 touchdown pass and he could not do it.i am not holding the last two years against ramsey or anybody that played for spurrier.since the first preseason game this year under gibbs,ramsey has pretty much stunk up the place and that is bad.

[quote]all he had to do was throw 1 touchdown pass and he could not do it[/quote]

he did throw a TD pass... and he threw a 2nd one too, that gardner dropped ;) next complaint....

Portis and Coles put the ball on the ground. If that continues, it doesn't matter who's QB.

[b]let me change the subject before i piss somebody off,why the hell are'nt kenyatta jones,darrien mccant's,and the rock playing any?[/b]

[QUOTE=BIGREDSKINFAN63]i'll put it in english okay.what has brunell done to lose the games so far?has has not thrown any pics yet has he?he is doing what is asked of him by his coaches.did'nt you listen to the game?if he was not moving the team today who was?with respect to ramsey,i'm talking about his"great"relief performance against the giants.all he had to do was throw 1 touchdown pass and he could not do it.i am not holding the last two years against ramsey or anybody that played for spurrier.since the first preseason game this year under gibbs,ramsey has pretty much stunk up the place and that is bad.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for putting it in English, because I wasn't sure what in what language I should write "Brunell can't move shit." Brunell hasn't made a lot of costly mistakes, but he hasn't done anything with our offense. With Portis, Coles, Gardner, Thrash, Cooley et al. Brunell has no excuses for not getting it done.

I could hold onto the ball and just get sacked (like Brunell was 5 times last week - largely due to holding onto the ball too long). But that doesn't mean I'd make a good QB. The QB is ultimately responsible for moving the chains. 1 or 2 drops by Coles and 1 fumble by Portis isn't goog enough of an excuse to say that those people are why we can't make the offense work.

How many deep passes has Brunell thrown this season? I don't know what the exact number is, but a lot. How many has he completed? 5 or 6...at most. That's not good.

Brunell has had 4 good drives. Other than that, he hasn't justified Gibbs' decision to start him.

[QUOTE=JWsleep]Portis and Coles put the ball on the ground. If that continues, it doesn't matter who's QB.[/QUOTE]

Then why is it that other teams whose RBs and WRs fumble or drop passes can get it done?

If I recall, drops and fumbles didn't kill all of our drives, or even close to the majority of them.

When drops and fumbles weren't our problem (i.e. against TB and Dallas) why is it that we still couldn't get it done?

I want to actually hear someone defending Brunell say that he has looked good. If you can show me someone who says that, I'll show you a blind crackhead.

The Ravens must be licking their chops right now.

Ramseyfan - I am in the tank for Ramsey as well. Guess it is time for a new icon, We Want Ramsey.

Mark Brunell is going to be the QB for this season, so stop your whining and pouting. If Ramsey were ready, he would have shown it in the Giants game and during practice before the Dallas game. Turns out, Gibbs wasn't feeling "Patty Cake Ramsey." He would have gotten his ass handed to him against Dallas and you would have still used the excuse he's still learning the offense. This shit is getting real dull on this website. Sounds like you all want to be cheerleaders for your QB rather than understand a veteran is what Gibbs works more effectively with and that's not going to change.

[quote]Mark Brunell is going to be the QB for this season, so stop your whining and pouting. If Ramsey were ready, he would have shown it in the Giants game and during practice before the Dallas game. Turns out, Gibbs wasn't feeling "Patty Cake Ramsey." He would have gotten his ass handed to him against Dallas and you would have still used the excuse he's still learning the offense. This shit is getting real dull on this website. Sounds like you all want to be cheerleaders for your QB rather than understand a veteran is what Gibbs works more effectively with and that's not going to change.[/quote]

but your allowed to cheerlead for the guy you want and that's not dull ;)?
if you don't like it, you can just ignore it.

[QUOTE=SUNRA]Mark Brunell is going to be the QB for this season, so stop your whining and pouting. If Ramsey were ready, he would have shown it in the Giants game and during practice before the Dallas game. Turns out, Gibbs wasn't feeling "Patty Cake Ramsey." He would have gotten his ass handed to him against Dallas and you would have still used the excuse he's still learning the offense. This shit is getting real dull on this website. Sounds like you all want to be cheerleaders for your QB rather than understand a veteran is what Gibbs works more effectively with and that's not going to change.[/QUOTE]
[color=red]thank you a gizillion,ramsey is a joke.i'm getting tired of the same rhetorical bullshit too.brunell is'nt lighting it up,but he is'nt losing it either.he's doing exactly what is asked of him.:banghead: ramsey's day will eventually come.[/color]

you guys want the same guy that looked absolutely clueless in the MNF game against Dallas? He just turns the ball over and forces things

[QUOTE=ZackMills]you guys want the same guy that looked absolutely clueless in the MNF game against Dallas? He just turns the ball over and forces things[/QUOTE]
Are you talking about Ramsey?? Because if you are, just a heads up, but he didnt play on Monday Night against Dallas. In addition, correct me if I'm wrong, but I dont think we even turned the ball over against Dallas?

[QUOTE=Gmanc711]Are you talking about Ramsey?? Because if you are, just a heads up, but he didnt play on Monday Night against Dallas. In addition, correct me if I'm wrong, but I dont think we even turned the ball over against Dallas?[/QUOTE]

I don't even remember Ramsey playing against Dallas. I know Hasselbeck did. I'm sure he was sacked enough times if he did play.

[QUOTE=jdlea]Where did this come from? I thought Brunell was the best quarterback to ever put on a Redskins uniform! Whatever happened to that sentiment?![/QUOTE]
I don't think anybody said he was the best QB to put on a Skins uniform.

I'll still take him over Ramsey at this point though.

[QUOTE=SUNRA]Mark Brunell is going to be the QB for this season, so stop your whining and pouting. If Ramsey were ready, he would have shown it in the Giants game and during practice before the Dallas game. Turns out, Gibbs wasn't feeling "Patty Cake Ramsey." He would have gotten his ass handed to him against Dallas and you would have still used the excuse he's still learning the offense. This shit is getting real dull on this website. Sounds like you all want to be cheerleaders for your QB rather than understand a veteran is what Gibbs works more effectively with and that's not going to change.[/QUOTE]
Well said.

Last week most of us had Brunell's back, a week later everyone is throwing him under the bus. I don't get it.

I assume if he were to rip it up against the Ravens next week he'd be the hero again. Hilarious!

Ramsey is not the answer and flip flopping QB's is definitely not the answer. As long as Brunell is healthy enough to play, Gibbs is going to stick it out with him, so let's get off his back and stop crying for a QB change anytime something goes wrong.

As someone who is a Ramsey supporter, what has me upset about this whole situation is that it was obvious that Brunell was brought here for a win now approach. At 1-3 how realistic is the expectation of win now, i.e. making the playoffs?

For those of us who support Ramsey, it is added insult to injury that the team is not winning now we could just as easily be 1-3 with Ramsey, but at least he would be learning his craft as a QB. The Redskins overpaid for Brunell, and to make matters even worse they gave up a draft pick for him. If Brunell ends up being a bust, the team has given up a draft pick, and will have added dead cap money.

As others have pointed out, and I have said this Gibbs will not take Brunell out. Ramsey, will have his growth and maturity as a QB stunted. So, what is next, do we trade Ramsey next year? Is Ramsey yet another wasted first round pick? From my point of view this is why the Brunell business ticks me off.

[QUOTE=BIGREDSKINFAN63]i'll put it in english okay.what has brunell done to lose the games so far?has has not thrown any pics yet has he?he is doing what is asked of him by his coaches.did'nt you listen to the game?if he was not moving the team today who was? with respect to ramsey,i'm talking about his"great"relief performance against the giantsall he had to do was throw 1 touchdown pass and he could not do it.i am not holding the last two years against ramsey or anybody that played for spurrier.since the first preseason game this year under gibbs,ramsey has pretty much stunk up the place and that is bad.[/QUOTE]

Time for a language lesson! I have to ask this question first, did you, or did you not watch the Giant game a couple of week's ago? Because if you did, you would have seen Brunnell give up 7 point's for the second week in a row, and yes we lost by 6 point's, the problem is, Brunell supporter's refuse to hold him to the same accountability as Ramsey, Ramsey hasen't surrendered point's to the defense this year, Brunell has surrendered 14, Brunell also has the luxury of practicing with the first team all week, Ramsey does not, Ramsey threw 3 pick's, 1 was cole's fault, the second came after he drove the ball down the Giant's throat, and after gardner dropped as easy, and as perfect of a TD pass you will see, he was picked in the end zone on a corner route, his last INT you could see came off his hand funny while he was on the run, and Ramsey was put into a position by Brunell to have to play come back, which is alway's more difficult for the QB, do I think Brunell will get better as he get's used to the sysytem? Yes. Do I think if Ramsey givin the same opportunity, will run circles around Brunell as far as moving this offense? Absolutly!

[QUOTE]with respect to ramsey,i'm talking about his"great"relief performance against the giantsall he had to do was throw 1 touchdown pass and he could not do it.[/QUOTE]

And this is what a lot of us are talking about, accountability for Brunnell, all he had to do is throw 1 TD pass and we would have won, in fact all he had to do is move us into field goal range, and he couldn't even do that, and he had the whole game to accomplish this feet, not 1 half, and not when your trailing, bottom line you can say he doesn't make any mistakes with INT's, But he doesn't move the ball either, the name of the game is to win, not play INT free, and lose, Brunnell remind's me of another QB on our team, Tim Hasselbach, he doesn't throw INT's, and he doesn't move the ball either, no why? He never get's on the field, I want a QB, to play QB, I want him to go out and win the game, not a QB who's trying not to lose it, Ramsey play's to win, he will take chances which will hurt you on occasion, he's still young and inexpierenced, those mistakes will become few and far between with expierence, but that kind of competivness is what will make him a tremendous starter, and leader on our team.

MY VOTE GOES TO RAMSEY!

If it gets to the point where we arent going to make the playoffs, like a 1-6 , 2-7 or somthing really bad, we gotta put Ramsey in. For now, as much as I though he played like crap, I guess we got to stick with Brunell, basically I'm not gonna waste my time lobbying for Ramsey, I know Brunell is gonna stay in.

For everyone who is saying Brunell is doing everything asked of him, I ask him to lead us to a win next week. If he does that, I will be happy.

I think we should probably consider that Gibbs anticipated a possible slow start and saw that it would take time to get the players to understand and succesfully execute the plays on a consistent basis. As a veteran QB, I think Brunell is better suited to lead the team right now. While this team is struggling I don't see the benefit of putting Ramsey in there to take more beatings.

I see it as Brunell laying the foundation for Ramsey. In a year or so Ramsey will step into a polished offense.

I think Ramsey has a very bright future, but I don't think he would be a better choice than Brunell right now. I don't think Brunell is the one costing us the games

Offiss, you bring up a really interesting point in your post. I think as a whole the team is playing not to lose. I think that's a big reason for a lot of the mistakes, they're tentative. They think too much perhaps.

I absolutely agree that it'd be nice if they played to win. But I think that mentality comes from the coaching staff.