Cheney vs. Bush: Former VP Writing Tell-All Memoir
 

This should be interesting eh?

[url=http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=8323285&page=1]Cheney Pens Tell-All About Bush Administration - ABC News[/url]

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Yeah I think it all went downhill went Bush fired Cheney's buddy Don Rumsfeld. I think Bush realized Cheney was really hurting him, but by then it was probably too late.

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we need to worry about the current administration, not bush and cheney. heck, we still don't even know if our current president is an american.

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This is just an idea but maybe we should create a poltical form on here as well. We have parking lot, other sports, why not a poltical form, it seems to be really popular. May better organize the site and for folks who don't care about all this BS won't have to look through a million poltical threads to find say a funny thread or video game thread.

Not a sermon just a thought. =)

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[quote=mredskins;575770]This is just an idea but maybe we should create a poltical form on here as well. We have parking lot, other sports, why not a poltical form, it seems to be really popular. May better organize the site and for folks who don't care about all this BS won't have to look through a million poltical threads to find say a funny thread or video game thread.

Not a sermon just a thought. =)[/quote]

Well when you see a thread title like Cheney vs Bush or Obama Care then just don't click on that thread. Thats not to hard. LOL

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[quote=firstdown;575822]Well when you see a thread title like Cheney vs Bush or Obama Care then just don't click on that thread. Thats not to hard. LOL[/quote]

I agree, just avoid what you don't want to see.

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Whatever. I don't care it just gets old.

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I think this memoir is Cheney falling on the sword to save W's legacy. History can blame Cheney. I believe in free market economics but alot of Republicans (not all) are free market extremists. When Bush had to get on TV and ask for 700 Billion dollars (an excercise in socialism) to save Wall Street (those who are blessed by the free market god i.e. idolatry) his legacy became Obama.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;575920]I think this memoir is Cheney falling on the sword to save W's legacy. History can blame Cheney. I believe in free market economics but alot of Republicans (not all) are free market extremists. When Bush had to get on TV and ask for 700 Billion dollars (an excercise in socialism) to save Wall Street (those who are blessed by the free market god i.e. idolatry) his legacy became Obama.[/quote]

Since when have we had a free market?

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I said I believe in free market economics, I didn't say we had a free market.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;575923]I said I believe in free market economics, I didn't say we had a free market.[/quote]

We're about the only ones.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;575920]I think this memoir is Cheney falling on the sword to save W's legacy. History can blame Cheney. I believe in free market economics but alot of Republicans (not all) are free market extremists. When Bush had to get on TV and ask for 700 Billion dollars (an excercise in socialism) to save Wall Street (those who are blessed by the free market god i.e. idolatry) his legacy became Obama.[/quote]

I don't think Chenney is going to fall on any sword for Bush now they have gone their seperate ways. If anything he is going to try and save his legacy.

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Well if he is trying to save his legacy he is not doing a very good job of it, from what I read so far. Getting Scooter locked up to shield yourself and then not having the ability to convince W to pardon Scooter. Does not look good no matter how you look at it.

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[quote=firstdown;575949]I don't think Chenney is going to fall on any sword for Bush now they have gone their seperate ways. If anything he is going to try and [B]save his legacy[/B].[/quote]

And what a fine one it is.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;575968]Well if he is trying to save his legacy he is not doing a very good job of it, from what I read so far. Getting Scooter locked up to shield yourself and then not having the ability to convince W to pardon Scooter. Does not look good no matter how you look at it.[/quote]

I think Cheney feels like Scooter got the shaft to save Karl Rove since everyone thinks/knows pretty much it was Rove who "leaked" the secret info that wasn't really actually secret and wasn't really a violation of anything.

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If it wasn't a violation then how did he get locked up?

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[quote=FRPLG;575975]I think Cheney feels like Scooter got the shaft to save Karl Rove since everyone thinks/knows pretty much it was Rove who "leaked" the secret info that wasn't really actually secret and wasn't really a violation of anything.[/quote]

I thought it was Dick Armey? You know what puzzled me about the Valery Plane, (what-ever her name is), thing was that no one seemed to ask?

Why is it that we have blonde women in the CIA working undercover in corporations, and not Arabic men infiltrating terrorist groups? Maybe we do? I'm not privy to such things. It seems like a waste of resources if you ask me.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;575978]If it wasn't a violation then how did he get locked up?[/quote]

Obstruction and perjury.

Legal issues like this one are somewhat tricky and the way the media reports them is a cross between ineptly and dishonestly. There are probably 100 million Americans who know who Scooter Libby is and 90 million of them think he "leaked" Valerie Plame's "cover" to the press. When in fact no one "leaked" it because it was pretty common knowledge in DC anyways and it wasn't he who did the "leaking" anyways at all.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;575982]I thought it was Dick Armey? You know what puzzled me about the Valery Plane, (what-ever her name is), thing was that no one seemed to ask?

[B]Why is it that we have blonde women in the CIA working undercover in corporations[/B], and not Arabic men infiltrating terrorist groups? Maybe we do? I'm not privy to such things. It seems like a waste of resources if you ask me.[/quote]

It may depend on how deep undercover they've gone before.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;575982]I thought it was Dick Armey? You know what puzzled me about the Valery Plane, (what-ever her name is), thing was that no one seemed to ask?

Why is it that we have blonde women in the CIA working undercover in corporations, and not Arabic men infiltrating terrorist groups? Maybe we do? I'm not privy to such things. It seems like a waste of resources if you ask me.[/quote]

There are many ways to gather intelligence one of which is usage of innocent looking blond desk agent. I mean, why put all your eggs in one basket? A healthy mix of desk agents and field agents is more effective than having a force consisting of only field agents.

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[quote=saden1;576023]There are many ways to gather intelligence one of which is usage of innocent looking blond desk agent. I mean, why put all your eggs in one basket? A healthy mix of desk agents and field agents is more effective than having a force consisting of only field agents.[/quote]

I'd say with 9/11 they were lacking field agents.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;576027]I'd say with 9/11 they were lacking field agents.[/quote]

They are, finding good field agents that speak Arabic is a terribly difficult undertaking. Still, you're not going to win this battle by simply throwing more field agents into the field.

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[quote=saden1;576041]They are, finding good field agents that speak Arabic is a terribly difficult undertaking. Still, you're not going to win this battle [B]by simply throwing more field agents into the field.[/B][/quote]

Your right!!! We need a multi-barrelled repeating rifle that loads either field or desk agents. Also, it should be equipped with either automatic or single shot capability.

(Sorry to digress - I agree with your statement, but it's Friday afternoon and I got a bad case of the stupids).

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[quote=saden1;576041]They are, finding good field agents that speak Arabic is a terribly difficult undertaking. Still, you're not going to win this battle by simply throwing more field agents into the field.[/quote]

They put out good ships after Pearl Harbor got bombed too. Hindsight is 20 /20. You actually think they want to win? :laughing2

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;575982]I thought it was Dick Armey? You know what puzzled me about the Valery Plane, ([B]what-ever her name is),[/B] thing was that no one seemed to ask?

Why is it that we have blonde women in the CIA working undercover in corporations, and not Arabic men infiltrating terrorist groups? Maybe we do? I'm not privy to such things. It seems like a waste of resources if you ask me.[/quote]
yeah no big deal that an under cover agents identity was leaked. she could have been killed

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[quote=dmek25;576217]yeah no big deal that an under cover agents identity was leaked. she could have been killed[/quote]

It was common knowledge that she worked for the CIA. Yeah, she might have bled to death from a paper cut.

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She married Wilson in 1998 and gave birth to their twins in 2000,[21] and resumed travel overseas in 2001, 2002, and 2003 as part of her cover job. She met with workers in the nuclear industry, cultivated sources, and managed spies.[22] Part of her work involved ensuring that Iran did not acquire nuclear weapons.[23]

Part of her work during this time was concerned with determining the use of aluminum tubes purchased by Iraq.[24] CIA analysts prior to the Iraq invasion were quoted by the White House as believing that Iraq was trying to acquire nuclear weapons and that these aluminum tubes could be used in a centrifuge for nuclear enrichment.[25][26] However, David Corn and Michael Isikoff argued that the undercover work being done by Mrs. Wilson and her CIA colleagues in the Directorate of Central Intelligence Nonproliferation Center strongly contradicted such a claim.[24]
taken from wikpedia. sure sounds like a pencil puher to me...

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Pencil pusher or not, did he break the law? If yes then he goes to jail. If he broke the law to save Cheney or Armey then Scooter got played big time. Must have been guilty alot of people are trying to minimize the offense. The reasoning process should include Scooter guilty or not. Too bad, cry me a river.