Preseason Game 1 Quick Hitters: First of all, calm the hell down
 

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[QUOTE]Pretty brutal, especially when combined with the fact that the Redskins defense gave up 500 yards of offense to the Baltimore Ravens. And getting shut out is never a good thing. It was a complete and utter domination from beginning to end.[/QUOTE]

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I tend to agree with the sentiment that people are taking this loss a bit too seriously. There were some positives. The starting O line didn't look terrible; Brian Orakpo looked good, and Jeremy Jarmon looked solid.

What was most troubling about the game was the drop off in talent after the starters left the game. Defensively, there is very little quality depth in the backups outside of Kareem Moore, H.B. Blades, and a couple others. It's an indictment of the way the Redskins front office operates. They trade away draft picks and dump tons of money into players they perceive to be elite, and then they're stuck with 6th and 7th rounders to fill out the backup roles.

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Good article. I pretty much agree.

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Calm the hell down indeed!!!

There were definite positives to draw from this game:

Orakpo - the guy is going to be a total BEAST!!!

Kareem Moore - Dude lays the lumber reminiscent of #21 - I'd love to see him playing FS in some defensive packages allowing Laron to move back to his more natural SS position.

Jeremy Jarmon - I assumed this guy wouldn't be ready to contribute until next season, but he's much further along than I thought he would be. I could see him working into the DE rotation this year to give either Daniels or Carter a breather.

The O was without arguably it's two best players (Santana and Portis), so I'm not too concerned. Campbell looked poised, and the O-line actually protected him pretty well. We never generated a running game, but who does against the Ravens? I don't put much stock in pre-season, I just want the vets to come out healthy, and to see some progress from at least a few of the young guys. This game will give Zorn and Blache plenty of ammo to kick some tail in practice. Plus looking at our next two preseason games (Pittsburgh and New England), we will be exposed to excellent opponents which hopefully forces us to raise our game - definitely good prep for the G-men opening day.

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Like I said in an earlier thread. One big thing that came out of this is the fact Randy Thomas should have awoken this morning a bit more nervous. Not only are there folks inside Ashburn that are rooting for Rhinehart to win the job because of youth (and because he was a third rounder) but Rhinehart but Rhinehart is delivering as well.

I think next time Tryon is tutored by Darrell Green, he should try paying attention.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;575790]I think next time Tryon is tutored by Darrell Green, he should try paying attention.[/quote]
If they keep Tryon and cut loose Byron Westbrook, they will be making a serious mistake. I'd understand is Tryon returned kicks, but this guy will struggle against anyone bigger than he is.

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Another thing is that I dont think JC and the first stringers looked too bad. JC had one bad throw. Rest were fine.


The throw to Hagans was too high, but not a bad pass. The Ravens were playing Zone and an LB dropped into a flats zone, so campbell needed height on the ball to get it over the defender. Also Hagans is 5.8 so a tough situation for JC.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;575793]If they keep Tryon and cut loose Byron Westbrook, they will be making a serious mistake. I'd understand is Tryon returned kicks, but this guy will struggle against anyone bigger than he is.[/quote]

Westbrook didn't do much better so they're both the same in my opinion, remember it's the 1st preseason game so mistakes are gonna happen.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;575790]Like I said in an earlier thread. One big thing that came out of this is the fact Randy Thomas should have awoken this morning a bit more nervous. Not only are there folks inside Ashburn that are rooting for Rhinehart to win the job because of youth (and because he was a third rounder) but Rhinehart but Rhinehart is delivering as well.

I think next time Tryon is tutored by Darrell Green, he should try paying attention.[/quote]

I've heard more than one player (the most notable being Champ Bailey) say that DG isn't that good a coach/tutor. Mainly because he was able to succeed for so long largely due to unbelievable speed (namely closing speed) and that's something not everyone has.

He's anointed others starters in this league (Rashad Bauman being one) that never quite panned out.

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Yeah, I just don't see Tryon succeeding. He wasn't owned last night because of talent, it was pure size. He couldn't hang with the big boys in the slot.

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[quote=SouperMeister;575781]Calm the hell down indeed!!!

There were definite positives to draw from this game:

Orakpo - the guy is going to be a total BEAST!!!

[B]Kareem Moore - Dude lays the lumber reminiscent of #21 - I'd love to see him playing FS in some defensive packages allowing Laron to move back to his more natural SS position.[/B]

Jeremy Jarmon - I assumed this guy wouldn't be ready to contribute until next season, but he's much further along than I thought he would be. I could see him working into the DE rotation this year to give either Daniels or Carter a breather.

The O was without arguably it's two best players (Santana and Portis), so I'm not too concerned. Campbell looked poised, and the O-line actually protected him pretty well. We never generated a running game, but who does against the Ravens? I don't put much stock in pre-season, I just want the vets to come out healthy, and to see some progress from at least a few of the young guys. This game will give Zorn and Blache plenty of ammo to kick some tail in practice. Plus looking at our next two preseason games (Pittsburgh and New England), we will be exposed to excellent opponents which hopefully forces us to raise our game - definitely good prep for the G-men opening day.[/quote]

Totally agree Soup. Good post. I've read that Moore should get some time this year allowing Landry to do exactly what you say. Offenses worrying about whether he'll blitz or not just gives them something else to think about. If you look at the game with emotional stability, I may be asking too much, I think there were a lot of positives.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;575793][B]If they keep Tryon and cut loose Byron Westbrook, they will be making a serious mistake.[/B] I'd understand is Tryon returned kicks, but this guy will struggle against anyone bigger than he is.[/quote]Of course a fellow Seagull would say that! And of course I agree 100%, Tryon looked lost and slow out there last night. Not good for a 2nd year player.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;575793]If they keep Tryon and cut loose Byron Westbrook, they will be making a serious mistake. I'd understand is Tryon returned kicks, but this guy will struggle against anyone bigger than he is.[/quote]

I thought the biggest thing Tryon needs to work on is jamming a reciever. It seemed like he was throwing his hands up hoping that would do something. He really needs to hit that SOB coming at him and slow him the heck down. We'll see if he's better at it next week. He's got the Steeler's wide recievers so it won't get any easier.

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[quote=hooskins;575797]Another thing is that I dont think JC and the first stringers looked too bad. JC had one bad throw. Rest were fine.


The throw to Hagans was too high, but not a bad pass. The Ravens were playing Zone and an LB dropped into a flats zone, so campbell needed height on the ball to get it over the defender. Also Hagans is 5.8 so a tough situation for JC.[/quote]
Well to be honest those are the plays that JC has to make this year if he wants to stay around. I'm not jumping on JC for that one pass in the 1st preseason game but thats the type of stuff I want to see him making this year. Thats the type of play that can change the whole game.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;575836]Of course a fellow Seagull would say that! And of course I agree 100%, Tryon looked lost and slow out there last night. Not good for a 2nd year player.[/quote]

I agree the undrafted Seagull will be competition for Tryon. Not the time for the FO to save face because they wasted a draft pick on him. He has a couple weeks to make drastic improvement or we cut our losses. I wouldn't be too upset either, we have enough depth.

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I really liked Jarmon.

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1 for 11 on 3rd down conversions is a brutal stat, and a problem we had last year as well. But it's really about doing better on first and second downs.

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[quote=SmootSmack;575877]1 for 11 on 3rd down conversions is a brutal stat, and a problem we had last year as well. [/quote]

Calm the hell down SmootSmack!
One 3rd down conversion is WAY better than zero.

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:lol:

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Does anyone wonder if the Ravens blitzed their a** off to show they don't miss Ryan?

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^^^^ yeah thats what the balmore sports station 105.7 said this morning that their new D coord (who worked under ryan, i think he was the LB coach last year) used a whole bunch of blitz packages last night. im not sure if that was done to show there will be no drop off from ryans D, the radio said it might have been that he wanted to show that the same D last year is going to be used this year.

plus after last year and the success the ravens had blitzing us, they didnt worry about getting burned for having a safety in the box . . . . they were right.

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Why didn't we attack offensively to show we don't need Shanahan and Cutler?

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I watched the Patriots/Eagles game as well, and both teams threw the ball down the field seveal times...Brady coming off a knee injury threw the ball long at least 5-6 times
What the hell is our deal, is the Redskins offese just a dink and dunk system...Im pissed, it looks exactly like the same old bull crap offense from last year..

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ESPN just keeps showing the pass that Campell got pressured from the right side
and had the ball batted down...meaning the right tackle (and or) right guard screwed up!!!How often will we have to see that on 3rd down this year before they bring in a real RT???

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;575929]I watched the Patriots/Eagles game as well, and both teams threw the ball down the field seveal times...Brady coming off a knee injury threw the ball long at least 5-6 times
What the hell is our deal, is the Redskins offese just a dink and dunk system...Im pissed, it looks exactly like the same old bull crap offense from last year..[/quote]

Yeah I think Campbell checked down a couple of times when coverage was tight, which technically he should do. But the truth is more often than not coverage will be tight, and we need to complete those types of plays regardless. If nothing else, force a pass interference. For example, in last week's scrimmage Daniel threw a deep pass to Marko Mitchell and was able to draw a pass interference call on Tryon. I'm not saying we need to start the Chase Daniel era today but...

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Roar I want blood!!!

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[url=http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Zorn-Redskins-soft-53234262.html]Zorn: Redskins soft | Washington Examiner[/url]

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I saw a last place team that looked like it has most of the same problems as it did last year. And our depth on both sides of the ball looks downright bad. But I need to calm the hell down.

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I think the lone bright spot was Orakpo. I was at the game and it looked like he got pressure on Flacco on almost every passing play. He is gonna be GOOD. Other than that, we looked a little flat. But, hey its the first game of the pre-season.

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One thing that pissed me off was the fact we didn't throw Cooley's way once. I know he wasn't in the game very long but it seems to me his production has gotten lesser and lesser every year. I wanna see more of him this year than last year definitely.

And I do agree with chickenmonkey, we need to throw downfield much more often than we did last year. The last deep completion I remember is the one to Moss in Week 2! You gotta at least try it to stretch the damn field!

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[quote=The Trigga;575954][B]One thing that pissed me off was the fact we didn't throw Cooley's way once. I know he wasn't in the game very long but it seems to me his production has gotten lesser and lesser every year. I wanna see more of him this year than last year definitely. [/B]

And I do agree with chickenmonkey, we need to throw downfield much more often than we did last year. The last deep completion I remember is the one to Moss in Week 2! You gotta at least try it to stretch the damn field![/quote]

Um, huh? He had a nice grab for a first down last night in limited action.

Also, last season he set a career high with 83 catches, which led the entire team.

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[quote=Clark84;575805]Yeah, I just don't see Tryon succeeding. He wasn't owned last night because of talent, it was pure size. He couldn't hang with the big boys in the slot.[/quote]

Size had nothing to do with it other than Joey T talking about it (incorrectly). His ass was getting beat. He got run off routes and out of position terribly multiple times. His size had nothing to do with it. The slants he never covered were because he got too far off the WR. If he is so fast he ought to be on WR like glue.

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There are plenty of guys Tryon's size who are good players in this league. Size isn't the problem.

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Yup. Tryon was just getting smoked. Out of position, out played and out of a job.

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Sounds like a lot might actually be riding on Barnes' development. At least 3 cb's will get a lot of playing time & no doubt there will be games when at least 1 of the top 3 is out. Even if he makes the team, at this rate Tryon would be #5 on the depth chart.

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The score was disappointing but here's a little perspective. After all, it's only one game.

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2009/08/14/friday-august-14-after-an-evenings-reflection/#continued]Friday, August 14: After An Evening's Reflection[/url]

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For those of you keeping score, the NFC teams went 0-4 last night.

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[quote=Mattyk72;575964]There are plenty of guys Tryon's size who are good players in this league. Size isn't the problem.[/quote]Tryon needs to line up further inside to take away the slant - that was his achilles heel all night. It's one thing when a WR is afraid to go across the middle, but a nickle corner who doesn't cover the middle of the field won't be employed very long.

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[quote=SouperMeister;576031]Tryon needs to line up further inside to take away the slant - that was his achilles heel all night. It's one thing when a WR is afraid to go across the middle, but a nickle corner who doesn't cover the middle of the field won't be employed very long.[/quote]

You are correct. He also needs to be more physical.

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[quote=The Trigga;575954]One thing that pissed me off was the fact we didn't throw Cooley's way once. I know he wasn't in the game very long but it seems to me his production has gotten lesser and lesser every year. I wanna see more of him this year than last year definitely.

And I do agree with chickenmonkey, we need to throw downfield much more often than we did last year. The last deep completion I remember is the one to Moss in Week 2! You gotta at least try it to stretch the damn field![/quote]


Dude, Cooley led the team in receptions last year. Not trying to pick on you but if he didn't get any chatches last nihgt I wouldn't worry. He will get plenty when it starts to count.