What has Obama done well?
 

Most of us know that Obama has done a poor job thus far as president (at least those that are willing to look at things objectively). So to be fair, and objective, what has he done right thus far?

[i]Please note, this is not a bash Obama thread, we could fill up a ton of pages with what he's done wrong, this is purely a thread to show the positive Obama has done to this point...I'm sure Obama has done some good, so here's your chance to voice it.[/i]

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LOL

I love the backhanded nature of this thread.

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[quote=Schneed10;576053]LOL

I love the backhanded nature of this thread.[/quote]

I can see how you would think that, it's my way of saying "of course we all know I don't like Obama", but Matty gave me the option to say the positive that Bush did, and I did. I'm not out to hear the negative of Obama, I already know the negative, I want to hear the positive. Everyone deserves that.

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I'm a righty and disapprove of a lot of what he stands for. But so far I like:

- The decision to pump money into the banks as part of the bailout.

- So far so good with promises not to increase taxes on the middle class.

- The reallocation of troops from Iraq to Afghanistan, and the increased pressure on Pakistan to allow us to hunt for the enemy.

- The speech to the Muslim world in Cairo. Not sure it accomplishes all that much, but extending the olive branch can't possibly be a bad thing.

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Wait a second...

You say that Obama has done a poor job, and imply that if anybody disagrees with that then they are not objective. So, you want people to post what they think he's done well -- although it must all be BS because he's done poorly by "objective" standards. Sounds like a setup.

I think you worded your post poorly, and as a result this thread might not get much attention. In which case, you'll point to it as an example of how nobody can come up with any reasons he's done well.

I also think it's funny that you say, "to be fair and objective." Then you also say, it's not a "bash Obama thread," but you bash him in the first post by saying we could fill up a ton of pages with what he's done wrong.

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Maybe a different re-start to the thread:

Let's discuss the positive actions President Obama has accomplished so far.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;576058]Wait a second...

You say that Obama has done a poor job, and imply that if anybody disagrees with that then they are not objective. So, you want people to post what they think he's done well -- although it must all be BS because he's done poorly by "objective" standards. Sounds like a setup.[/quote]

No, there are those that think Obama has done nothing wrong to this point, so if you think he's done a good job, say what he's done. My opinion of him shouldn't matter.

[quote]I think you worded your post poorly, and as a result this thread might not get much attention. In which case, you'll point to it as an example of how nobody can come up with any reasons he's done well.[/quote]

That's your opinion and your entitled to that. I think it's worded fine, instead of being nit-picky, why not actually be more like schneed and give examples. (can't believe I just use Schneed as a POSITIVE example) LOL

[quote]I also think it's funny that you say, "to be fair and objective." Then you also say, it's not a "bash Obama thread," but you bash him in the first post by saying we could fill up a ton of pages with what he's done wrong.[/quote]
That's not bashing...pointing out what he has already done wrong is bashing. It's saying most of us know the negative, so let's get to the positive.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;576059]Maybe a different re-start to the thread:

Let's discuss the positive actions President Obama has accomplished so far.[/quote]

Sounds good...let's go from here!

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Health care lol. Oh done well, I thought you meant policies that were well done (hopefully). As far as done well I think he's done a good job of helping us recover from the image hit the country took when Bush was commander in cheif in regards to how people outside the country view us.

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does this sound familiar? he has kept us safe from attack

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[quote=jsarno;576060]No, there are those that think Obama has done nothing wrong to this point, so if you think he's done a good job, say what he's done. My opinion of him shouldn't matter.



That's your opinion and your entitled to that. I think it's worded fine, instead of being nit-picky, why not actually be more like schneed and give examples. (can't believe I just use Schneed as a POSITIVE example) LOL


That's not bashing...pointing out what he has already done wrong is bashing. It's saying most of us know the negative, so let's get to the positive.[/quote]

I don't pay attention to current events, so I have no idea what Obama's done -- good or bad. Sorry, I can't contribute to this thread.

I just thought your initial post was awfully matter-of-fact, but highly subjective, and a little fallacious. When I read it, my first thought was, "this guy doesn't care about what Obama has done right -- his motives lie elsewhere." I'm pretty sure giving that impression wasn't your intention, so I figured you could have worded it better to avoid that.

CRedskinsRule got it right.

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He seems so be good at putting a lot of debt on the books, but that's pretty much all of them.

Hmmm? Let me see. Nothing really that I can see. Thanks for raising the taxes on my smokes jerk! (Middle Class tax increase)

Oh, I almost forgot. He's getting's Congressmen reamed out for his stupid BS. I love watching those politicians get screamed at. They deserve it IMO. It's not like they give a damn anyway, so might as well talk down to the rats.

If you want a free lunch then you'd be pretty happy with Obama. If you're going to have to pay for someone else's free lunch, whether you like it or not, then he can do no right.

In all fairness, he kept his mouth shut when the Persians were getting killed in the streets. That was good because it's not our business.

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Nothing is ever black and white and with that in mind I find the following to be positives (concerns in parentheses).[LIST][*]More troops to Afghanistan (what is the end game? when is it?).[*]Getting out there to pimp universal health care (back room deals, possibility of no public option).[*]Stimulus/Bailout (though it might not be enough).[*]He attempt at bipartisanship (doesn't seem to work much though).[*]His willingness to go out and talk to the American people.[*]Support for education expenditures in the stimulus.[*]Support for cap and trade (not enough capping and no trade to speak of but it's a start).[*]Willingness to go out and cleanup the image of the U.S.[*]Reauthorizing SCHIP.[*]Supporting and signing the following legislation:[LIST][*] Weapon Systems Acquisition Reform Act[*] Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act[*] Credit CARD Act of 2009[*] Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009[/LIST] [/LIST]

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;576083]He seems so be good at putting a lot of debt on the books, but that's pretty much all of them.

Hmmm? Let me see. Nothing really that I can see. Thanks for raising the taxes on my smokes jerk! (Middle Class tax increase)

Oh, I almost forgot. He's getting's Congressmen reamed out for his stupid BS. I love watching those politicians get screamed at. They deserve it IMO. It's not like they give a damn anyway, so might as well talk down to the rats.

If you want a free lunch then you'd be pretty happy with Obama. If you're going to have to pay for someone else's free lunch, whether [I][B]you like[/B][/I] [I][B]it[/B][/I] or not, then [I][B]he can do no right[/B][/I].

In all fairness, he kept his mouth shut when the Persians were getting killed in the streets. That was good because it's not our business.[/quote]

If I like it how is it that he can do no right?

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[quote=jsarno;576060]No, there are those that think Obama has done nothing wrong to this point, so if you think he's done a good job, say what he's done. My opinion of him shouldn't matter.



[B]That's your opinion and your entitled to that.[/B] I think it's worded fine, instead of being nit-picky, why not actually be more like schneed and give examples. (can't believe I just use Schneed as a POSITIVE example) LOL


That's not bashing...pointing out what he has already done wrong is bashing. It's saying most of us know the negative, so let's get to the positive.[/quote]

If I recognize it, GhettoDogAllStars recognizes it, S10 recognizes it, CRedskinsRule seems to recognize it it is no longer in the realm of opinions.

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Absolutely nothing.

But what do you expect? He hasn't done anything substantive in his entire life. He got his political philosophy from a Marxist social agitator (Saul Alinsky), his racial philosophy from an anti-semite, America hating racist (Jeremy Wright) and learned how to "community organize" from a terrorist (Bill Ayers). Obama is a narcissistic liar. A tyrant. A thug.

Never before have we had a President who identified LESS with the American people he is supposed to represent. We've been "hoodwinked", "bamboozled", as he often says in his speeches (taken from Malcolm X). This man has a disdain for the everyday American, and it is on full display right now with his fake town halls and attempts to paint anyone who opposes his radical agenda as ignorant, "rabble-rousing nay-sayers."

This man is very dangerous. You can repeal certain things that Bush did, if you don't like them, such as the Patriot Act. But you cannot repeal a Health Care Bill that will ruin our entire healthcare system (one fifth of our economy). You should be very angry at the speed in which the Congress, and this President tried to rush this thing through--because they wanted to avoid debate. As an American, I feel very betrayed.

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[quote=saden1;576111]If I recognize it, GhettoDogAllStars recognizes it, S10 recognizes it, CRedskinsRule seems to recognize it it is no longer in the realm of opinions.[/quote]

HAHAHA...so I guess cause you all have the same OPINION, it no longer is an OPINION!
Thanks for pointing that out. I needed a laugh.

BTW, what is the credit card act of 2009?

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some good points here

[url=http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/29551986/barack_obama_so_far]Barack Obama So Far : Rolling Stone[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk72;576171]some good points here

[URL="http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/29551986/barack_obama_so_far"]Barack Obama So Far : Rolling Stone[/URL][/quote]

Huh. Rolling Stone has a roundtable on Obama with the likes of Michael Moore, and he doesn't grade out any lower than a B- on the issues discussed. Shocking.

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[quote=RiggoRanger;576139]Absolutely nothing.

But what do you expect? He hasn't done anything substantive in his entire life. He got his political philosophy from a Marxist social agitator (Saul Alinsky), his racial philosophy from an anti-semite, America hating racist (Jeremy Wright) and learned how to "community organize" from a terrorist (Bill Ayers). Obama is a narcissistic liar. A tyrant. A thug.

Never before have we had a President who identified LESS with the American people he is supposed to represent. We've been "hoodwinked", "bamboozled", as he often says in his speeches (taken from Malcolm X). This man has a disdain for the everyday American, and it is on full display right now with his fake town halls and attempts to paint anyone who opposes his radical agenda as ignorant, "rabble-rousing nay-sayers."

This man is very dangerous. You can repeal certain things that Bush did, if you don't like them, such as the Patriot Act. But you cannot repeal a Health Care Bill that will ruin our entire healthcare system (one fifth of our economy). You should be very angry at the speed in which the Congress, and this President tried to rush this thing through--because they wanted to avoid debate. As an American, I feel very betrayed.[/quote]

I really can't believe people actually think in this kinda way. It is sad how many people are just uneducated about the issues.

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yes doom despair and agony on me ! lets talk football the game is afoot

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[quote=GMScud;576173]Huh. Rolling Stone has a roundtable on Obama with the likes of Michael Moore, and he doesn't grade out any lower than a B- on the issues discussed. Shocking.[/quote]

So Moore being involved invalidates the article? What about Krugman and Gergen?

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[quote=hooskins;576174]I really can't believe people actually think in this kinda way. It is sad how many people are just uneducated about the issues.[/quote]

As SBF used to say

~shakes head and walks away

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[quote=Mattyk72;576176]So Moore being involved invalidates the article? What about Krugman and Gergen?[/quote]I think his point was that, if you happen to be [I]Rolling Stone[/I], choosing to venture into the realm of politics is certainly a curious decision. Having Michael Moore in a roundtable just implies an agenda.

If this was [I]Time[/I], he'd probably just throw a quick one-liner at it and move on to real issues. You know, sort of the way I view Thomas (Rolling Stone) v. Kelly (Time).

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[quote=GTripp0012;576178]I think his point was that, if you happen to be [I]Rolling Stone[/I], [B]choosing to venture into the realm of politics is certainly a curious decision[/B]. Having Michael Moore in a roundtable just implies an agenda.

If this was [I]Time[/I], he'd probably just throw a quick one-liner at it and move on to real issues. You know, sort of the way I view Thomas (Rolling Stone) v. Kelly (Time).[/quote]

I'm guessing you don't read RS often.

They regularly have political articles.

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[quote=Mattyk72;576176]So Moore being involved invalidates the article? What about Krugman and Gergen?[/quote]

I didn't say it invalidates the article, but having a Rolling Stone roundtable with Michael Moore doesn't exactly scream non-partisan or balanced.

As for Krugman? Come on. The guy is a raging liberal. His NY Times blog is called "The Conscience of a Liberal," and he wrote a book with same title.

Gergen has advised both Dems and Republicans and considers himself independent. He's the closest of the three to non-partisan.

An article in a super-liberal publication with two uber-democrats and one independent. It's not totally invalid, but forgive me if I read it with a massive grain of salt.

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[quote=Mattyk72;576182]I could care less about who's on the panel, what do you not agree with as far as the points made in the article?[/quote]

Well obviously I disagree with the grades given to each topic despite the facts laid out, thus the reason I bring up the panelists handing out said grades.

For example, he gets an A- on the environment, yet the article points out:

He "Supported $3.4 billion in stimulus spending for pie-in-the-sky research into carbon capture and sequestration."

Also, "Obama seems to buy the myth of 'clean coal,' and the EPA has rubber-stamped 42 permits for mountaintop-removal mining. This form of mining is devastating Appalachia," says Robert F. Kennedy Jr. "And Obama is letting it happen."

Obama also "endorsed House bill that betrays campaign promise by giving away carbon-pollution permits. Failed to persuade China and India to commit to global plan to cut greenhouse emissions in half by 2050. Approved logging in Tongass National Forest."

Okay. Pretty glaring bad stuff there. Sure he's done some good to go with the bad, but this report card looks more like a "C" to me, not an A-.

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But yes, the article did make some good points and lay out some good facts. I simply don't agree with the grades, and I directly attribute that to the panel.

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Grades could be a little more objective I agree, but still, he's done his share of good things so far, probably more than what some people realize or are willing to give him credit for.

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[quote=saden1;576108]Nothing is ever black and white and with that in mind I find the following to be positives (concerns in parentheses).[LIST][*]More troops to Afghanistan (what is the end game? when is it?).[*]Getting out there to pimp universal health care (back room deals, possibility of no public option).[*]Stimulus/Bailout (though it might not be enough).[*]He attempt at bipartisanship (doesn't seem to work much though).[*]His willingness to go out and talk to the American people.[*]Support for education expenditures in the stimulus.[*]Support for cap and trade (not enough capping and no trade to speak of but it's a start).[*]Willingness to go out and cleanup the image of the U.S.[*]Reauthorizing SCHIP.[*]Supporting and signing the following legislation:[LIST][*] Weapon Systems Acquisition Reform Act[*] Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act[*] Credit CARD Act of 2009[*] Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009[/LIST] [/LIST][/quote]

* There is no endgame in Crapistan as long as they have oil, natural gas, and opium. Didn't you know?
* Universal Health Care = Free lunch paid for by the taxpayer. That really doesn't matter since smart progressives like you know how to spend what I earn better than I do.
* Bailout = J.P Morgan would've been proud. Push out the little guys while the big boys get bigger.
* Attempt at bipartisanship? Are you high? What is this BS infatuation with bipartisanship? It wasn't designed to be fast. They're supposed to argue. When they all agree on something it usually means the people are getting screwed.
* His willingness to talk [I]down[/I] to the American People is more like it.
* Support for education expenditures in the stimulus to pump out more brain dead progressives on the taxpayer's dime. Get Jay Leno to prove me wrong.
* Support for cap and trade. Now that is one of the best rackets ever. It's not alright to pollute the air and water, unless you pay. Again, push out the little guys while the big boys get bigger. I'm sure Dominion Power is happy. They're already a monopoly. You would've made a good robber barron Saden.
* Willingness to go out and cleanup the image of the U.S.? I've got news for you buddy. It's not the U.S that has a bad image, it's the U.S Government. That's because this progressive government sticks its nose in everyone's business and has been doing so for a long time. Mexicans aren't dying in the desert to get into Guatemala.
* Reauthorizing SCHIP. It's alright to take what I earn without my consent. It's for the children. That's mighty Christian of you Saden.
* Weapon Systems Acquisition Reform Act. I actually agree with this one. Why buy expensive weapons systems if you don't plan on using them? I'm mean it's not like this government wins wars anymore. That would be bad for business.
* Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act. Have you ever heard of the black market? In case you didn't know, that's how Hezbollah buys RPGs. It's still 20 bucks a carton in Richmond, without tax thank you. But as you've made it clear, you've no love for Israel. As long as I get my cheap smokes it's all good, right?
* Credit CARD Act of 2009. I agree with that one too but your giving Obama credit for Congress's work.
* Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009. Source Wikipedia: "The bill amends the Civil Rights Act of 1964 stating that the 180-day statute of limitations for filing an equal-pay lawsuit regarding pay discrimination resets with each new discriminatory paycheck." This sounds like a hustle to me but what do I know? I cling to my AR-10. You can keep the bible. I'm not my brother's keeper / overseer.

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[quote=hooskins;576174]I really can't believe people actually think in this kinda way. It is sad how many people are just uneducated about the issues.[/quote]

When someone disagrees with you it doesn't mean he's uneducated. Perhaps you're not educated enough to debate his point of view? To imply that someone isn't informed / educated about his own beliefs just makes you sound like a pompous ass.

You cannot be a true American if you bow before a King. How about that?

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As I sit here typing away in my underwear I realize that people have nothing better to do than to bitch about something. Well, I am an independant and have no preference toward either party or cause. I will tell you this. Obama has taken more action on more issues than any other president this century. Whether you think it is right or wrong makes no difference. He said that he was going to make chande and so far he has. No matter what youu may think, his changes have been with the intent of making things better and not worse. For once we have a President that has the nuts to stand up and do what he believes is right. All we want to do is bash him.

Stop being pissed that your party lost and try to realize that he wants what is best for the majority. If you have to give up starbucks and 8 cyllinder engines so that those less fortunate can have health care, then so be it. Heaven fobid that a cup of coffee and a sports car are more important than anothers life.

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[quote=RiggoRanger;576139]Absolutely nothing.

But what do you expect? He hasn't done anything substantive in his entire life. He got his political philosophy from a Marxist social agitator (Saul Alinsky), his racial philosophy from an anti-semite, America hating racist (Jeremy Wright) and learned how to "community organize" from a terrorist (Bill Ayers). Obama is a narcissistic liar. A tyrant. A thug.

Never before have we had a President who identified LESS with the American people he is supposed to represent. We've been "hoodwinked", "bamboozled", as he often says in his speeches (taken from Malcolm X). This man has a disdain for the everyday American, and it is on full display right now with his fake town halls and attempts to paint anyone who opposes his radical agenda as ignorant, "rabble-rousing nay-sayers."

This man is very dangerous. You can repeal certain things that Bush did, if you don't like them, such as the Patriot Act. But you cannot repeal a Health Care Bill that will ruin our entire healthcare system (one fifth of our economy). You should be very angry at the speed in which the Congress, and this President tried to rush this thing through--because they wanted to avoid debate. As an American, I feel very betrayed.[/quote]


nice post, i agree with you 100%.

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[quote=Angry;576201]. For once we have a President that has the nuts to stand up and do what he believes is right. All we want to do is bash him.

If you have to give up starbucks and 8 cyllinder engines so that those less fortunate can have health care, then so be it. Heaven fobid that a cup of coffee and a sports car are more important than anothers life.[/quote]



thats bullcrap. bush thought going into iraq was the right thing to do. we were attacked on american soil, i would say bush had a huge set of balls for actually fighting back instead of just standing pat and saying to the american people "we prolly deserved that, lets appoligize for the way we've been living and maybe the terrorists will leave us alone". thats what obama and all the lefties would want to do. bush fought back and to this day he still gets bashed for it.


and thanks for telling me how to spend my money. you want me to pay for another's health care to "save a life" but your prolly for abortion.

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[quote=wolfeskins;576207]thats bullcrap. bush thought going into iraq was the right thing to do. [B]we were attacked on american soil[/B], i would say bush had a huge set of balls for actually fighting back instead of just standing pat and saying to the american people "we prolly deserved that, lets appoligize for the way we've been living and maybe the terrorists will leave us alone". thats what obama and all the lefties would want to do. bush fought back and to this day he still gets bashed for it.


and thanks for telling me how to spend my money. you want me to pay for another's health care to "save a life" but your prolly for abortion.[/quote]
i know personally i would have alot more respect for the past administration if they would have went after the actual perpetrators of the attack. how they bamboozled the American public about invading Iraq is beyond me

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[quote=Angry;576201]As I sit here typing away in my underwear I realize that people have nothing better to do than to bitch about something. Well, I am an independant and have no preference toward either party or cause. I will tell you this. Obama has taken more action on more issues than any other president this century. Whether you think it is right or wrong makes no difference. He said that he was going to make chande and so far he has. No matter what youu may think, his changes have been with the intent of making things better and not worse. For once we have a President that has the nuts to stand up and do what he believes is right. All we want to do is bash him.

Stop being pissed that your party lost and try to realize that he wants what is best for the majority. If you have to give up starbucks and 8 cyllinder engines so that those less fortunate can have health care, then so be it. Heaven fobid that a cup of coffee and a sports car are more important than anothers life.[/quote]
this is one of the best posts offered on this board

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[quote=dmek25;576212]this is one of the best posts offered on this board[/quote]

your opinion sucks. :tongue

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[quote=Mattyk72;576179]I'm guessing you don't read RS often.

They regularly have political articles.[/quote]You would have guessed correctly.

I suggest they stick to what they do well. Not that their reputation among music aficionados suggests that they do anything well.

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[quote=wolfeskins;576216]your opinion sucks. :tongue[/quote]
well at least you didnt say i sucked:)

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hooskins, that is really lame of you to call me 'uneducated' on the issue.

It isn't conspiracy theory, linking Obama to these terrible people--it's common knowledge. If you've ever read Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" you'd be able to see his methods employed by Obama. Heck, Obama taught a course based on Alinsky methods. You're heard the Jeremiah Wright speeches, and Bill Ayers was a close friend and political partner of his. Obama is the company he keeps.

I have read HR3200, and it's a terrible bill. I don't understand what the rush is to do this, when we're in a recession and 80% of us are happy with our health care coverage. Why not start by targeting tort reform and frivolous lawsuits, to get costs down, and work towards insuring those who can't be insured due to their circumstances? Why destroy the best system in the world for the benefit of the few? Are you familiar with the VA? I have many military friends and have heard the horror stories. That is government-run healthcare for you, and it is where we'll be headed--rationing and waiting lines. Whatever will keep costs down.

I'd like to hear your take, hooskins, on what Obama has done well. Explain to me how Cap and Trade is going to be to our benefit? How will it create jobs and strengthen our economy? What is the net-worth of Obama's Stimulus Bill, other than putting us trillions into debt--how has it helped our economy and curbed unemployment? You might recall, this one was rushed through to save us from going above 8% unemployment--that's what Obama promised us. Now we're above 9.5% and we'll be at 10% soon. Where am I wrong? Walk me through it.

Calling someone who shares a different view 'uneducated' illustrates my point perfectly. I don't know what your politics are, but this is a classic tactic of the left; when they can't debate, they resort to name calling. Anyone who doesn't agree with them is an idiot, because they're SO convinced they're right. It is what compels them do such things as raise taxes, redistribute wealth and empower government to run every aspect of our lives. Screw liberty and individual freedom--it's for the good of the people (the uneducated).