Betts to be the 3rd Down Back?
 

I put a question mark because it seems like we're saying this every summer

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/bettss-big-new-role.html?wprss=redskinsinsider]Redskins Insider - Betts Expected to Again Have a Big Role[/url]

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I hope not.

Well, if it's a passing situation, OK...but I don't want him rushing the ball on crucial 3rd downs.

He seems to be very good receiving out of the backfield, probably because defenses aren't paying much attention to him.

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I think given equal blocking there isn't a huge dropoff in production from one to the next. CP has a more ability but for 15 snaps a game we won't see a dropoff.

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Works for me. Glad to hear it.

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I am not sure why anyone would be against this. Portis wore down last year. Although I think if it is money time in the 4th qtr or at the goal line, you go with the starter...

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Portis needs the rest, I hope Betts gets a nice share of the carries as well.

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Personally, I would rather Betts be in on 2nd, gives a nice versatility for the play action, but won't face all out blitzers. Portis is an awesome pass blocker, Betts - just ok. and whatever we do we need to make sure we don't burn out CP against STL, KC and TB!

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I'd like the move to a 2 back system if Betts wasn't our second back. I just don't trust betts to hold onto the football. Yes this may help to save Portis for the end of the year, but what about the rest of the team. The old o-line isn't going to have a break and they could still be worn down by the end of the year. Where is their rest going to come from....Sorry to get off topic but I don't know how coming out and saying Betts is the third down back is really that helpful. Maybe in certain situations but as a whole I'm not a fan of this move for alot of the same reasons people here are already saying.

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So would we rather just pound CP into the ground again this year?

Betts needs to play more this year, and he needs to step up and be productive, simple as that.

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One thing in the first 8 games last year, I think Zorn leaned on CP as a crutch, and hesitated in using Betts. Hopefully, Zorn grew more into the Head Coaching position, and understands the effect of leaning on CP like that. CP being the baller he is I am sure didn't hesitate to take the snaps, and that is where the HC and OC have to balance out the whole season.

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[quote=Mattyk72;577873]So would we rather just pound CP into the ground again this year?

Betts needs to play more this year, and he needs to step up and be productive, [B]simple as that[/B].[/quote]

BAM!!! That....just...happened!!! :woot: SHAKE AND BAKE!!!

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Matty I agree with you in the fact that Portis doesnt need to play all the time. I just really would have liked the redskins to address the back up rb position. I have never been a big betts fan. I have a question for anybody who would like to answer. Would you take Laron Landry or Adrian Peterson? Not trying to cause a stir just an observation and i am sure that it has been discussed before. Or how about any of the 2nd round picks last year for Steve Slaton?

So Matty I agree that we need to rest CP at times but I just wish the team would have addressed my issue with betts :).

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;577881]Matty I agree with you in the fact that Portis doesnt need to play all the time. I just really would have liked the redskins to address the back up rb position. I have never been a big betts fan. I have a question for anybody who would like to answer. Would you take Laron Landry or Adrian Peterson? Not trying to cause a stir just an observation and i am sure that it has been discussed before. Or how about any of the 2nd round picks last year for Steve Slaton?

[B]So Matty I agree that we need to rest CP at times but I just wish the team would have addressed my issue with betts[/B] :).[/quote]

The coaching staff doesn't have an issue with Betts.

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yeah just me I suppose..... :)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;577869]Personally, I would rather Betts be in on 2nd, gives a nice versatility for the play action, but won't face all out blitzers. Portis is an awesome pass blocker, Betts - just ok. and whatever we do we need to make sure we don't burn out CP against STL, KC and TB![/quote]

I was thinking the exact same thing. I would rather have Betts in on 2nd down. 3rd down is such a critical down (not that 2nd isn't important) and I want my best back out there. And that especially means I want a good blocking back. If it's 3rd and 5 and it's a passing play to Cooley to get that first down, I'd much, much rather have Portis be that extra blocker in the backfield to give Campbell (or Chase) an extra few seconds to complete that pass than Betts

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CP is the better blocker but he also takes a lot of punishment in doing so. I'd rather see him dishing out the punishment more on runs vs. picking up the blitz on 3rd down. Betts is probably the better receiver out of the backfield too.

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[quote=Mattyk72;577886]CP is the better blocker but he also takes a lot of punishment in doing so. I'd rather see him dishing out the punishment more on runs vs. picking up the blitz on 3rd down. [B]Betts is probably the better receiver out of the backfield too.[/B][/quote]

i agree with that. I'm just trying to state a fact that I wish we would have addressed the need that we have at back up RB. If Portis goes down we are down to Betts and Rock... not going to win many games with that back field. Or retreads like Shaun alexander.

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I've never understood why some are so down on Betts, especially after he filled in with a stellar season in 2006. Personally I think he can get the job done if needed as a starter.

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Well I'm a down on Betts because of his fumbling issues he has had in the past. I know he played fairly well in 06 but we were also a 6-10 football team. I guess I have don't have confidence in him being a winner. Those 2 reasons are my problem with him.

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I am a Redskins fan. I will root, hope, and scream for whoever is in our backfield.

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I think Betts is fine. I always find it kind of interesting that he was drafted just a couple of picks after Portis yet you'd think one was the 1st round stud and the other was the 7th round div 2 guy who toiled on the practice squad for a couple of years before earning his shot.

But I don't think Betts is a potential game changer the way Portis is, and I think we-sooner than later-need to look at finding our next starting running back

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Portis and Betts fumble the ball at the worst times. Everyone fumbles. I say let my homeboy Mike Sellers run the ball strait up the middle behind that new FB we just drafted.

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What irks me about this decision is that Betts hasn't proven to be terribly effective w/ sporadic carries. Say he comes out cold at first or whatever, but getting the call here and there doesn't seem to be the best use of our #2 RB. I think we'd be much wiser to give hem a few series in a row, let him get into the rhythm backs often talk about. Hell give him the entire 2nd quarter even, or give him a ton of work when we're up a couple TDs on the opponent (not intended as a joke ya'll).

I'm happy CP gets fewer carries this season...

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Is there ever a good time to fumble? I hate the statement that someone fumbles at the worst time. Every fumble happens at the worst time!

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[quote=Mattyk72;577939][B]Is there ever a good time to fumble?[/B] I hate the statement that someone fumbles at the worst time. Every fumble happens at the worst time![/quote]

In practice and in the preseason? LOL.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;577881]Matty I agree with you in the fact that Portis doesnt need to play all the time. I just really would have liked the redskins to address the back up rb position. I have never been a big betts fan. I have a question for anybody who would like to answer. Would you take Laron Landry or Adrian Peterson? Not trying to cause a stir just an observation and i am sure that it has been discussed before. Or how about any of the 2nd round picks last year for Steve Slaton?

So Matty I agree that we need to rest CP at times but I just wish the team would have addressed my issue with betts :).[/quote]


If teams had known how good those players were, they definitely would have taken them sooner. You really cannot blame the FO for passing on them when so many other teams did the same thing.

I don't think you can close the book on Laron vs Peterson yet. Also, he does have a much better line than ours.

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Ok, here's my take. Portis is obviously the #1. Betts is servicable as a #2 back filling in as a relief RB to spell said Portis. Yes he did fill in nicely in 06 but that was his only good yr after how many yrs and some could argue he has not been given the chance to show a second time. I've heard arguements about his fumbling issues (which even I have mentioned) and have had it pointed out that he has only fumbled like two or three time total. My major issue is he is a similar style RB as Portis with out the break away speed. He's slower. Why keep two of the same style of RB's on the team when most teams have a between the tackles type of runner (Portis) and an edge runner (Alridge/Dorsey).

I have argued for Mason only cause if we are going to keep the same style of runner on the team as Portis then why not get younger while doing it and have Portis help develop/mold him for our future for when ever Portis decides to step down.

What I would like to see.....Portis (obviously), Betts or Mason, cut Rock for Alridge or Dorsey. If we are going to keep 3 active RB's it would be nice to have one be an edge runner. Rock sucks as a RB.

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We need Betts to step up and make Zorn put him in, thats the problem with our RB's none of them have done anything to take away playing time from CP, that's why i hope one of these young guys can come in and do something. A player has to earn a spot on the field and so far we have running backs that earn a spot on the bench. CP needs rest but the sub's have to unseat him.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;578058]We need Betts to step up and make Zorn put him in, thats the problem with our RB's none of them have done anything to take away playing time from CP, that's why i hope one of these young guys can come in and do something. A player has to earn a spot on the field and so far we have running backs that earn a spot on the bench. CP needs rest but the sub's have to unseat him.[/quote]

They don't have to be better then CP just good enough to let him get his wind. They just have to be able to secure the ball ie; Davis (TE) and Betts. As in life you can do 100 good things but one bad move and everyone remembers it. I'm sure the coach's in the past have been reluctant to put Betts in (sorta) cause he would look good and run fine until an inopportune time and fumble. Then take him out of the game. His fumble would be the last impression he would leave cause they wouldn't use him again for a while. \

but....Rock needs to go. I don't care how much of a leader he is. They have a whole team full of leaders, JC, Portis, Samuals, Moss, ARE, Smoot, Hall, Haynesworth, DT Daniels, Fletcher and a few more I'm sure I'm missing. Rock sucks as a RB running around in the back field like a chicken with it's head cut off, one step forward and two steps back. All his yards usually appear on one run. After like 10 horrible runs he breaks one for like 40 yrds. Basically all he is, is a KR. Everyone is talking about other players on the team who they feel should be cut because they are one dimensional....hello...so is Rock.

I guess I have to pray someone else steps up and shows they can PR/KR as good or close to as good or Rock will be here. I can only hope Alridge or Dorsey step up their game.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;577883]yeah just me I suppose..... :)[/quote]

I have the same issue as you

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[quote=Ruhskins;577975]In practice and in the preseason? LOL.[/quote]

Dont tell that to Fred Davis

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[quote=SBXVII;578114]but....Rock needs to go. I don't care how much of a leader he is. They have a whole team full of leaders, JC, Portis, Samuals, Moss, ARE, Smoot, Hall, Haynesworth, DT Daniels, Fletcher and a few more I'm sure I'm missing. Rock sucks as a RB running around in the back field like a chicken with it's head cut off, one step forward and two steps back. All his yards usually appear on one run. After like 10 horrible runs he breaks one for like 40 yrds. Basically all he is, is a KR. Everyone is talking about other players on the team who they feel should be cut because they are one dimensional....hello...so is Rock.

I guess I have to pray someone else steps up and shows they can PR/KR as good or close to as good or Rock will be here. I can only hope Alridge or Dorsey step up their game.[/quote]

First Im not sure whats behind your whole obsession with Rock, I guess you micro-analyzed all of his 5 carries last season and came to this conclusion. This guy plays the game the right way, and busts his tail on special teams. He isnt productive running the ball because he gets the carries of a #3 back, but he plays on almost all the teams units. Alridge and Dorsey arent gonna hit anyone, Alridge cant tackle a sprained toe. If anything replace Betts, but Alridge or Dorsey arent gonna unseat Rock.....ever!!!

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[quote=WaldSkins;578123]I have the same issue as you[/quote]


I am a WV fan and I really wanted to get slaton. And to have drafted those three offensive players when a portis clone is coming out in the draft makes me wonder. Yes hind sight is 20/20 and I realize people werent as high on Slaton when he came out, but having watched him his whole career. I saw a mini CP in Slaton. Anway I was just voicing an opinion.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;578143]I am a WV fan and I really wanted to get slaton. And to have drafted those three offensive players when a portis clone is coming out in the draft makes me wonder. Yes hind sight is 20/20 and I realize people werent as high on Slaton when he came out, but having watched him his whole career. I saw a mini CP in Slaton. Anway I was just voicing an opinion.[/quote]

I retrospect I, too, would love to have Slaton. But that is retrospect. Every team passed on him until the 3rd round.

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CP will argue it will take more effort to hustle off the field and then back on if they convert

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[quote=SmootSmack;577895]I think Betts is fine. I always find it kind of interesting that he was drafted just a couple of picks after Portis yet you'd think one was the 1st round stud and the other was the 7th round div 2 guy who toiled on the practice squad for a couple of years before earning his shot.

But I don't think Betts is a potential game changer the way Portis is, and I think we-sooner than later-need to look at finding our next starting running back[/quote]

Indeed.. we need an early pick RB soon

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;577916]Portis and Betts fumble the ball at the worst times. Everyone fumbles. I say let my homeboy Mike Sellers run the ball strait up the middle behind that new FB we just drafted.[/quote]
so your solution is to put sellers in, because portis and betts fumble at the worst times?

heh

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[quote=roth74va;578142]First Im not sure whats behind your whole obsession with Rock, I guess you micro-analyzed all of his 5 carries last season and came to this conclusion. This guy plays the game the right way, and busts his tail on special teams. He isnt productive running the ball because he gets the carries of a #3 back, but he plays on almost all the teams units. Alridge and Dorsey arent gonna hit anyone, Alridge cant tackle a sprained toe. If anything replace Betts, but Alridge or Dorsey arent gonna unseat Rock.....ever!!![/quote]


Wow, where have you been? Rock has been here for 7 yrs. Drafted in 2002. Played under Spurier. Sucked and has been the 3rd string every yr. Utilized mostly (only) as a KR. You say he plays on all the teams units? His only roll is special teams. He KR's. That's it. Oh wait he does participate when we kick off also. So he can tackle. He would be better used as a Safety then.

You do realize Betts did the KR/PR duties prior to Rock which means technicaly Rock is expendable.

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Also roth74va, Alridge and Dorseys duties would be to avoid getting hit. See I specifically said Betts or Mason could help out with the between the tackles line up and hit someone type of runs. Alridge and Dorsey would be used to get to the outside or catch passes out of the back field. Better yet put both Portis and one of the speed guys in the back field to keep the defenses guessing whether Portis would be running up the middle or tossed/ passed to one of the speed guys. In other words play action.