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I guess they forgot that it was a downpoor!! Most QB'S can't throw in these kind of conditions... Batch was like 5-14 or something..

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i believe Campbell will have late blooming career like Eli Manning.

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This isn't the last of his problems. I believe he will only keep going down hill, to a point where the coaching staff will have to replace him. But it is only the second game and tonight the ol can not be blamed for his piss poor production.

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he had time to throw ... ??? do they stop football games because of rain ??? .... JC needs to have somewhat of a solid game next week or it's a bad vibe in my mind

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Hey, it's a better headline than "Campbell has completely unremarkable seven passes" or "Charlie Batch beats DeAngelo Hall once".

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Yeah struggles is not the word that came to my mind.

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I ain't gettin my panties in a wad like Mike Florio but Campbell should've shown us more. I think he's settled into that no risk taking mindset, which isn't necessarily a bad thing but makes him wanna play safe more often than not. He needs to play with more urgency. He used to have a plausible excuse because the o-line was failing him but now that the o-line actually resembles something competent enough to give him time he needs to start playing more decisively. Also I think the playcalling needs to factor into this with more risk and reward type plays because tossing a ball 1 yard to Kelly when it's 3rd and 10 ain't cutting it. If it's 3rd and 10 I feel like most routes should be at least going 10 yards or 8 at the minimum, I don't know why I saw Malcolm Kelly running a 1 yard route on that 3rd and 10.

Again it's just preseason and I know the dink and dunk offense can be successfull but not if it's dink and dunk to the point where we can't even get the necessary yards to get a first down. I know they did a good job driving down the field after the fake punt but after that drive (which stalled at the goal line) they weren't doing anything on offense until Daniels came in in the third quarter.

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I really think if those screens go for even average yardage we all feel different. Those looked awul...was it play conception or poor execution?

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But yeah, this is where the "preseason doesn't matter" myth comes from. When you conclude in small sample size that one player struggled or another did great, you're going to be wrong more than right. Preseason doesn't matter only because what we TAKE from the preseason is completely irrelivant.

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[quote=FRPLG;578678]I really think if those screens go for even average yardage we all feel different. Those looked awul...was it play conception or poor execution?[/quote]Steelers just sniffed them both out.

They're a number one type defense, so they likely won't be fooled by that kind of play. That's partially on Zorn, but mostly it's just good defense.

It's the kind of thing where if the defense follows the flow and doesn't go after the passer, there's no in play adjustment that can be made. You just abort and try again. If it's third down, you punt.

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he didnt throw a pick... and took a few shots and made a few good throws, and there was pressure... and weather.... i think he did ok.... not worried that much, deep ball accuracy, only concern

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I don't know. I watched the game and didn't think Campbell was so bad. Some of his throws were deep, which had a positive effect even though they didn't hit them. He missed a few short ones--need to fix that. But as people have said, accuracy hasn't been his problem, it's reads. So I'm not worried that he's suddenly lost his accuracy.

Still, the only way JC gets love is if he wins games. Full stop. No point in trying to over-analyze, especially at this point.

On the plus side, the line looked very good, both on pass pro and run blocking, pretty much all night. Given that was the biggest worry going in, ya gotta feel a bit better about things.

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I think if you read the article what Florio is trying to say is Campbell's season went downhill starting with his poor performance against the Steelers last November. And tonight he really wasn't that great again. But he also points out that Zorn was relatively happy with Campbell's decision making tonight and that it's way too early to talk about benching Campbell, but that he needs to play better if he wants to own that starting role through the regular season.

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I liked the deep pass play calls. They created a vertical aspect for the offense even though they were incomplete. We've been so conservative for so long, I think it is good to do things to keep safeties from cheating towards the line of scrimmage.

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[quote=Lotus;578707]I liked the deep pass play calls. They created a vertical aspect for the offense even though they were incomplete. We've been so conservative for so long, I think it is good to do things to keep safeties from cheating towards the line of scrimmage.[/quote]

Yep. And I think we'll get better at it as we go along. It's not like we've done it in a lot of games. I was happy to see the effort. It surprised me. It helps make the "D" play back a little and helps to open things up underneath.

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So lets take odds on when Chase Daniel becomes our Matt Ryan. I say 2:1 week 3.

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Well I said all offseason that we should have got cutler but I'm not giving up until it happens in the reg season... atleast Daniel looked sharp

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How many more excuses can Zorn and Campbell come with for their poor performances on the field. Why can't Zorn just tell everyone like it is. Zorn, should say "I can't call plays" and Campbell should say "I can't quarter back". I'm starting to feel like others. Maybe we should gone with another QB. Because tonight was not on the offense line, but on Campbell himself.

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[quote=JWsleep;578700]I don't know. I watched the game and didn't think Campbell was so bad. Some of his throws were deep, which had a positive effect even though they didn't hit them. He missed a few short ones--need to fix that. But as people have said, accuracy hasn't been his problem, it's reads. So I'm not worried that he's suddenly lost his accuracy.

Still, the only way JC gets love is if he wins games. Full stop. No point in trying to over-analyze, especially at this point.

On the plus side, the line looked very good, both on pass pro and run blocking, pretty much all night. Given that was the biggest worry going in, ya gotta feel a bit better about things.[/quote]

very well said.

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[quote=GTripp0012;578680]Steelers just sniffed them both out.

They're a number one type defense, so they likely won't be fooled by that kind of play. That's partially on Zorn, but mostly it's just good defense.

It's the kind of thing where if the defense follows the flow and doesn't go after the passer, there's no in play adjustment that can be made. You just abort and try again. If it's third down, you punt.[/quote]

True, look at most of our offensive production from last year, a lot of it was from screen passes, and small stuff to the RB's to let them try and gain the yards. They should have known that stuff was coming.
This was a very high-caliber D that we faced. We drove down the field, JC stayed clean and Clinton ran well. Overall, I'm happy. I would have liked to see some more passes, but I'm happy. I think our D will keep us in most of our games though. We have a long way to go still, but I'm really liking what I see.

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[quote=insideman;578727]How many more excuses can Zorn and Campbell come with for their poor performances on the field. Why can't Zorn just tell everyone like it is. Zorn, should say "I can't call plays" and Campbell should say "I can't quarter back". I'm starting to feel like others. Maybe we should gone with another QB. [B]Because tonight was not on the offense line, but on Campbell himself.[/B][/quote]:laughing2

You sure you didn't watch last year's game instead? We won yesterday.

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Lets not forget two of those 7 passes were throwaways

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JC isnt doing much to show DS he was wrong in trying to trade him. You would think this guy would come out like gangbusters and try to make a statement. Look at the other good QB's like Manning and Rodgers,came out and lead their team to scores and called it a night. Yes its preseason. but you would still like to see some spark from this guy and have him show that he has improved.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;578647]I guess they forgot that it was a downpoor!! Most QB'S can't throw in these kind of conditions... Batch was like 5-14 or something..

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Batch is also the Steelers #2 QB, and he was going up against our first team D. JC looked worse than any QB that took the field last night, but I guess if he's getting time to throw and all the WRs are healthy, we have to find other excuses for him (rain). The long balls were especially ugly. Batch converted back to back 3rd and longs against our first team D. The thought that went through my mind when I saw that - JC couldn't have done that. But alas, it's only pre-season.

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[quote=insideman;578727]How many more excuses can Zorn and Campbell come with for their poor performances on the field. Why can't Zorn just tell everyone like it is. Zorn, should say "I can't call plays" and Campbell should say "I can't quarter back". I'm starting to feel like others. Maybe we should gone with another QB. Because tonight was not on the offense line, but on Campbell himself.[/quote]

Yep. Might not be all Campbell. Zorn may just be a sucky coach and play caller. That's what happens when the FO hires an unproven QBs coach to run the offense. He's got no resume that warrants getting the benefit of the doubt.

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[quote=SmootSmack;578706]I think if you read the article what Florio is trying to say is Campbell's season went downhill starting with his poor performance against the Steelers last November. And tonight he really wasn't that great again. But he also points out that Zorn was relatively happy with Campbell's decision making tonight and that it's way too early to talk about benching Campbell, but that he needs to play better if he wants to own that starting role through the regular season.[/quote]

Zorn's not going to give JC even the slightest amount of criticism, because

A) Campbell is fragile, especially after the off-season he had and

B) If the team struggles this year, Zorn is gone.

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i don't think Campbell was all that bad last night. with that out of the way, the days of making excuses for him is over. sooner or later, he just going to have to do it. those screen plays, against that caliber of defense, is just plain bad play calling. he did the right thing both times

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[quote=Dirtbag359;578723]So lets take odds on when Chase Daniel becomes our Matt Ryan. I say 2:1 week 3.[/quote]
some where SS is smiling :)

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I see alot excuses being made...bottom line JC has not looked good at all so far...O-line has been solid for him...zorn play calling is vanilla as its the preseason....but the bottom line is JC has not looked good so far...

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The starters need to play 2 1/2 - 3 quarters next week.

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Cutler 13 att 121 yds 1 td
Rivers 7 att 116 yds
Russell 11 att 76 yds 1 td
Brees 14 att 87 yds 1 td
Schaub 16 att 97 yds 1td
Rodgers 9 att 98 yds 2 tds
Garrard 16 att 216 yds 1td
Pennington 11 att 105 yds 1 td
Ryan 8 att 81 yds 1 td
McNabb 7 att 77 yds 1 td
P.Manning 14 att 167 yds 2 tds
Just thought i would show what some of the 'other' starting Qb's did this week. JC needs to get going,he is not helping himself with these poor performances he is having.

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[quote=dmek25;578746]i don't think Campbell was all that bad last night. with that out of the way, the days of making excuses for him is over. sooner or later, he just going to have to do it. those screen plays, against that caliber of defense, is just plain bad play calling. he did the right thing both times[/quote]I think it's ridiculous the amount of value being put on his performance in the preseason (not that you are in any way responsible). How much can you truly accomplish in 5 passes? To have a 120 yard day, Campbell would have had to average 24 yards an attempt (i.e. complete both deep passes), which is no ones idea of realistic. Yet, that's what he'd have to do in the preseason to shut up his critics.

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[quote=44Deezel;578743]Yep. Might not be all Campbell. Zorn may just be a sucky coach and play caller. That's what happens when the FO hires an unproven QBs coach to run the offense. He's got no resume that warrants getting the benefit of the doubt.[/quote]I call bullshit on you. You were on here last week claiming that Campbell needed to throw it deep to prove a point. THEN WE DID THAT and now you are questioning Zorn's playcalling.

Basically, you have no idea why you hate our offense, and just want change for the sake of change. Why torture yourself any longer. You won't be able to rationalize to yourself what's happening if things are working, so why watch?

Just admit it, you're watching in the hope that Campbell fails, and then you can say you had it right, and that we needed a new QB. If Zorn fails along the way, then he's just collateral damage in your eyes.

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I think that even the Jason Campbell apologists have to raise an eyebrown on this performance. He had time and did nothing with it. He had two opportunities downfield and threw two bad balls. And even his mother would tell you he doesn't throw a good short ball.

I am not calling for Collins (yet) but he simply had a terrible game. For a guy who's career as a starter is on the line, he needs to pick it up.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;578761]I think that even the Jason Campbell apologists have to raise an eyebrown on this performance. He had time and did nothing with it. He had two opportunities downfield and threw two bad balls. And even his mother would tell you he doesn't throw a good short ball.

I am not calling for Collins (yet) but he simply had a terrible game. For a guy who's career as a starter is on the line, he needs to pick it up.[/quote]I think you're saying that even though it's Week 2 of the Preseason, that we should expect more from the first team offense.

I'm not buying what you're selling. The offensive line played well, but the dress rehearsal isn't until next week, and no one on the first team's job is on the line. So I'm finding it much harder than most to get really irritated about 3/7 DSR against the World Champs. It's such a mediocre, expected result that I just don't care enough to get truly critical of anyone's performance.

But if I did, I'm sure I could find a bunch of things Campbell did well. It's just that it's so completely irrelevant that it's not worth my time. His job isn't on the line as long as his team is winning and yesterday, they won a meaningless game.

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The fact that we ran effectively on the Steelers' starters is a much better sign than Campbell's 1-7 is a bad one. We're still a Clinton-Portis-first team. We need to be able to go to our bread and butter more than anything, and that looked good.

If we want to do damage in the playoffs the passing game has to step up, but I think we'll get there.

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[quote=GTripp0012;578762]I think you're saying that even though it's Week 2 of the Preseason, that we should expect more from the first team offense.

I'm not buying what you're selling. The offensive line played well, but the dress rehearsal isn't until next week, and no one on the first team's job is on the line. So I'm finding it much harder than most to get really irritated about 3/7 DSR against the World Champs. It's such a mediocre, expected result that I just don't care enough to get truly critical of anyone's performance.

But if I did, I'm sure I could find a bunch of things Campbell did well. It's just that it's so completely irrelevant that it's not worth my time. His job isn't on the line as long as his team is winning and yesterday, they won a meaningless game.[/quote]

It doesn't bother you that you have to search through game tape to find some positives? You don't have to do that for Peyton, Romo or Cutler this week.

I am not selling anything. 1 for 7 including two bad deep throws sucks. This is pretty simple and does not need a whole lot of analysis. A performance like this needs to be the exception this year or he is gone and no one can say that he didn't get a fair chance. I am happy that it looks like the guys behind him are legit (although Collins already proved that two seasons ago).

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He has to let the monkey on his back go and play. Barring him winning the Superbowl, I believe the management has a plan to go after Tim Tebow in the next draft, all he's doing right now is building his trade value... Mark these words

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;578764]It doesn't bother you that you have to search through game tape to find some positives? You don't have to do that for Peyton, Romo or Cutler this week.

I am not selling anything. 1 for 7 including two bad deep throws sucks. This is pretty simple and does not need a whole lot of analysis. A performance like this needs to be the exception this year or he is gone and no one can say that he didn't get a fair chance. [B]I am happy that it looks like the guys behind him are legit[/B] (although Collins already proved that two seasons ago).[/quote]

How are they legit? Collins and Brennan didn't score in either preseason games. They didn't even get the team into field goal position. JC, Collins, or Brennan didn't look great in the last two games. Brennan may lose his position to Daniels if he puts up another bad performance and Daniels puts up another good one. It looks like if JC fails the skins will be drafting a QB in 2010.

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[quote=redskinsgirl;578769][B]How are they legit?[/B] Collins and Brennan didn't score in either preseason games. They didn't even get the team into field goal position. JC, Collins, or Brennan didn't look great in the last two games. Brennan may lose his position to Daniels if he puts up another bad performance and Daniels puts up another good one. It looks like if JC fails the skins will be drafting a QB in 2010.[/quote]

Collins took us to the playoffs. things have changed since then with the offenses but he is capable. Brennan threw a pick but was 3-5 with 1 throw away so other than a bad pass he did ok. Chase did very well, nice runs and a good lob to Marko.