Marko Mitchell vs. Kevin Ogletree
 

So its the end of the third week in preseason and it looks like a late rounder in Marko and a ufa in Ogletree are 2 of the biggest surprises at rookie wide receivers.

So my questions are whos going to be the better receiver this year and over their carriers? Honestly i havent watched any cowboy preseason games this year but ive heard a lot of good things about Ogletree. I also dont remeber him at UVA and rarely watch UVA games unless nothing else is on. I heard today that he had reps with the first teamers for the cowboys this weekend and did pretty good, i believe with 2 catches from Romo, and 1 overthrown pass from Romo, when he was apparently wide open. Ogletree has apparently been getting as much praise at cowboys camp as Marko is getting over here.

Stats:
In 2 games Kevin Ogletree has 5 catches for 73 yards and 1 touchdown
6'1", 196lbs, 40yard: 4.30 - 4.53, out of Virginia

Marko Mitchell ive liked everything ive seen so far just like everyone else on this board, plus he just became my friend on the facebook. Ive read just about every article on him and have heard nothing but good things. Only thing i havent seen from him yet is a reception from JC, however he did have a good block to extend Cooly's catch and gain some experience with the first teamers last game.

Stats:
In 2 games Marko has 5 catches for 61 yards and 2 touchdowns.
6'4", 218, 40yard: 4.36 - 4.54, out of Nevada

I think for this year I can see Ogletree doing better. He is going to get more and more time with Roy Williams being out. Plus the cowboys recievers situation is as shaky as ours after there number 1. I think Mitchell has a lot more to prove in order to get in front of Thomas and Kelly. I could see Mitchell getting a few touchdowns though as he could get his playing time though redzone packages. Plus who knows if Kelly will last this whole season, if his knee starts to flare up, or he consistaintly misses practice then Mitchell could get more reps.

Either way it looks like the Redskins and cowboys may have got themselves some great Chris Horton type talent....

Re: Marko Mitchell vs. Kevin Ogletree
 

[quote=mlmpetert;582563]So its the end of the third week in preseason and it looks like a late rounder in Marko and a ufa in Ogletree are 2 of the biggest surprises at rookie wide receivers.

So my questions are whos going to be the better receiver this year and over their carriers? Honestly i havent watched any cowboy preseason games this year but ive heard a lot of good things about Ogletree. I also dont remeber him at UVA and rarely watch UVA games unless nothing else is on. I heard today that he had reps with the first teamers for the cowboys this weekend and did pretty good, i believe with 2 catches from Romo, and 1 overthrown pass from Romo, when he was apparently wide open. Ogletree has apparently been getting as much praise at cowboys camp as Marko is getting over here.

Stats:
In 2 games Kevin Ogletree has 5 catches for 73 yards and 1 touchdown
6'1", 196lbs, 40yard: 4.30 - 4.53, out of Virginia

Marko Mitchell ive liked everything ive seen so far just like everyone else on this board, plus he just became my friend on the facebook. Ive read just about every article on him and have heard nothing but good things. Only thing i havent seen from him yet is a reception from JC, however he did have a good block to extend Cooly's catch and gain some experience with the first teamers last game.

Stats:
In 2 games Marko has 5 catches for 61 yards and 2 touchdowns.
6'4", 218, 40yard: 4.36 - 4.54, out of Nevada

I think for this year I can see Ogletree doing better. He is going to get more and more time with Roy Williams being out. Plus the cowboys recievers situation is as shaky as ours after there number 1. I think Mitchell has a lot more to prove in order to get in front of Thomas and Kelly. I could see Mitchell getting a few touchdowns though as he could get his playing time though redzone packages. [B]Plus who knows if Kelly will last this whole season, if his knee starts to flare up, or he consistaintly misses practice[/B] then Mitchell could get more reps.

Either way it looks like the Redskins and cowboys may have got themselves some great Chris Horton type talent....[/quote]
Man, sorry to derail an otherwise decent post but why do people still bring this up? He hasn't had one sign of any knee issues all camp/preseason. If he made it through 2 a days and the rigors of training camp, I'd suspect he's going to be fine through the season unless it's a new injury. Any chance we can let that myth die now?

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[quote=Paintrain;582567]Man, sorry to derail an otherwise decent post but why do people still bring this up? He hasn't had one sign of any knee issues all camp/preseason. If he made it through 2 a days and the rigors of training camp, I'd suspect he's going to be fine through the season unless it's a new injury. Any chance we can let that myth die now?[/quote]

He was consistently held out of some camp practices or had limited reps for precautionary purposes, and had microfracture surgery in Feb. I dont really like bringing it up either, but i still get worried about Rocky's knee and sometimes even Roger's knee a little bit. I have Kelly above Thomas and El on my depth chart, i just wonder if he's going to make it 5 years or a whole season without being limited.

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[quote=Paintrain;582567]Man, sorry to derail an otherwise decent post but why do people still bring this up? He hasn't had one sign of any knee issues all camp/preseason. If he made it through 2 a days and the rigors of training camp, I'd suspect he's going to be fine through the season unless it's a new injury. [B] Any chance we can let that myth die now?[/B][/quote]

That's far from a myth. That same knee was an issue at Oklahoma, kept him out basically all of last year, kept him out of all OTAs, and the start of training camp this year. The myth is that his knee if totally fine now. I need to see more than a month of good health from him to feel comfortable about that knee moving forward.

Anyway, not to hijack the thread...

I love what I've seen from Marko. He's got great size and very good speed. He's making this team for sure, and once he polishes up his route running and playbook knowledge, we may have ourselves a heckuva player.

If the season started TODAY, I'd feel comfortable with him being the recipient of some jump balls in the end zone.

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Who the heck is Ogletree?

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Ogletree is the cowboys great receiver hope. He was the intended receiver for Romo's int against the SF49ers and he has really done well in pre-season. The comparison to Mitchell is a good one. He could become their top receiving threat. Whereas Mitchell at best will be our #4.

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It's starting to look like the Redskins have a knack for picking up good talent in very late rounds or undrafted rookies.

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[quote=12thMan;582809]It's starting to look like the Redskins are starting to have a knack for picking up good talent in very late rounds or undrafted rookies.[/quote]

Thats where some of the best talent can be discovered...

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;582798]Ogletree is the cowboys great receiver hope. He was the intended receiver for Romo's int against the SF49ers and he has really done well in pre-season. The comparison to Mitchell is a good one. He could become their top receiving threat. [B]Whereas Mitchell at best will be our #4[/B].[/quote]


That's a good thing it shows that we finally have depth at WR.

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Hell i believe that Marko Mitchell can and will pass Kelly & Thomas on the depth chart eventually, but will start season at number 4.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;582820]Hell i believe that Marko Mitchell can and will pass Kelly & Thomas on the depth chart eventually, but will start season at number 4.[/quote]

Not this season and not if the Sarge has anything to say about it...and he does.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;582820]Hell i believe that Marko Mitchell can and will pass Kelly & Thomas on the depth chart eventually, but will start season at number 4.[/quote]

I can't say that he won't, but I hope not, because as good as that would be for Mitchell, it would really mean our other two receivers were busts. They have a lot of talent, and skills. My hope is that for the next 3 years, they all get to show off their talents, and in three years we are forced to let one go because they all are demanding to much on the free agent circuit!

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Many at Valley Ranch are enamored with Ogletree. And I think that he certainly give Stanback a reason to start cleaning out his locker.

But at the end of the day, with Williams, Crayton, Hurd and Austin ahead of him on the depth chart, he is going to have to make a considerable contribution on Special Teams if he wants to make the final 53 man roster.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;582824]I can't say that he won't, but I hope not, because as good as that would be for Mitchell, it would really mean our other two receivers were busts. They have a lot of talent, and skills. [B]My hope is that for the next 3 years, they all get to show off their talents, and in three years we are forced to let one go because they all are demanding to much on the free agent circuit![/B][/quote]

That would be nice. Imagine, but then they'd all stay for a fair contract because they loved being Redskins so much. HTTR.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;582828]That would be nice. Imagine, but then they'd all stay for a fair contract because they loved being Redskins so much. HTTR.[/quote]

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the Redskins will be SB champs forever

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[quote=credskinsrule;582830]you may say that i'm a dreamer
but i'm not the only one
i hope someday you'll join us
and the redskins will be sb champs forever[/quote]

ha ha!

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[quote=mlmpetert;582563]Honestly i havent watched any cowboy preseason games this year but ive heard a lot of good things about Ogletree. I also [b]dont remeber him at UVA and rarely watch UVA games unless nothing else is on.[/b][/quote]

That is because the Cavaliers have not had a quarterback since 2003.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;582843]That is because the Cavaliers have not had a quarterback since 2003.[/quote]

Exactly. I do watch UVA games and KO is very good. He didn't have anyone throwing him the ball and he was out due to injury for a full year. Very good player though.

Marques Hagans did throw the ball to him a bit i believe.

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He should at least pass Devin on the depth chart....

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTaN5Rw4AcU[/ame]

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I know this will get some heads rolling, but I think I've found some peace with Vinny.
I think he runs a good scouting and draft team that can identify late round talent, and especially recently with Mitchell and Horton.
For me it's always been Snyder that pisses me off. I think Vinny simply doesn't bite the hand that feeds him, so to speak.
I really like the Mitchell kid, and can't wait to see him on end zone packages and catch one over Kenny Phillips in Week 1.

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[quote=Skins_4_Lyfe;582971]He should at least pass Devin on the depth chart....

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTaN5Rw4AcU]YouTube - Marko Mitchell and Antwaan Randle El on NFLTA[/url][/quote]

Eloi was the butter-fingered man in that video.

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Ogletree won this season; however i think we can expect big things from Marko Mitch in the future. As of right now this is my WR depth chart:

Ogletree:
REC
7
YDS
96
AVG
13.7
TDS
0

Marko:
REC
4
YDS
32
AVG
8.0
TDS
0


I place Marko above Kelly in terms of depth and I think it should be interesting battle with Mitchell and Kelly going into next season.

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[quote=mlmpetert;652594]Ogletree won this season; however i think we can expect big things from Marko Mitch in the future. As of right now this is my WR depth chart:

Ogletree:
REC
7
YDS
96
AVG
13.7
TDS
0

Marko:
REC
4
YDS
32
AVG
8.0
TDS
0


I place Marko above Kelly in terms of depth and I think it should be interesting battle with Mitchell and Kelly going into next season.[/quote]

Will be interesting to see how Shanny handles this. Kelly has nice hands, but can't get separation. Marko supposedly has better st. speed but doesn't get in & out of breaks well. At least that's what I remember hearing during camp.

I wouldn't mind if Marko moved up the depth chart.

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i want him to....

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[quote=freddyg12;652598]Will be interesting to see how Shanny handles this. Kelly has nice hands, but can't get separation. Marko supposedly has better st. speed but doesn't get in & out of breaks well. At least that's what I remember hearing during camp.

I wouldn't mind if Marko moved up the depth chart.[/quote]

I keep praying that whoever Shanahan brings in as WR coach will be able to coach them up for next year and not the mere fact that they were busts. Especially Thomas and Kelly since they saw more field then Marco.

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Enough already with Marko Mitchell. Dude is not as good as you'll think he is otherwise he would be on the field.

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[quote=saden1;652633]Enough already with Marko Mitchell. Dude is not as good as you'll think he is otherwise he would be on the field.[/quote]

With a normal coaching staff that would be true, I honestly believe we under utilized every player on our team though. The only positive about that is you know what level of natural talent you have on the team. I hope this next crew finds away to coach players above their basic abilities and get many of them to that next level.

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[quote=mlmpetert;652594]Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah[/quote]

I hate to be a dick and call you out but what did you see from Marko this year that makes you think he will be a big time player? Please don't say he's 6'4" and runs a 4.49 40 yard dash because it doesn't mean much if they can't play. Some guys can play others cant.... Taylor Jacobs anyone?

or how about Markos twin?
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darnerien_McCants]Darnerien McCants - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

It's way to early to give up on him but he has to show flashes against an NFL team before people should get their hopes up.

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Come on now, even I bit into the Marko is great crap during the preseason, but he isn't going to be the next Clark, Monk, Saunders, Sheppard, Ellard, or even Westbrook for that matter. Our WR sucks past Moss in terms of depth. Without Moss and our great TEs JC wouldn't have surpassed Frerotte in both yards passing and Skin career passing TDs this season. If the guys can't get seperation, it is a matter of speed and agility, not much a coach can do there. Mitchell was from Nevada, which runs the run heavy Pistol offense, not to mention he was a 6th rounder. Face it Thomas and especially Kelly were non factors at all this year. Kelly didn't get any production til after we hit the what 10th loss? These guys are lame period!!!

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[quote=jamf;652678]I hate to be a dick and call you out but what did you see from Marko this year that makes you think he will be a big time player? Please don't say he's 6'4" and runs a 4.49 40 yard dash because it doesn't mean much if they can't play. Some guys can play others cant.... Taylor Jacobs anyone?

or how about Markos twin?
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darnerien_McCants"]Darnerien McCants - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/URL]

It's way to early to give up on him but he has to show flashes against an NFL team before people should get their hopes up.[/quote]


Totally agree, this guy hasn't produced squat in a real game and he is below a guy that didn't produce squat til the season was a total waste. Our WR corp sucks past Moss. ARE has underachieved. Thomas did improve over '08 so he might have some future utility. Kelly didn't do anything til we achieved loss #9 or #10, and Marko is below this guy on the depth charts. I rather have Rod Gardner and Westbrook back than these bums.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;652642]With a normal coaching staff that would be true, I honestly believe we under utilized every player on our team though. The only positive about that is you know what level of natural talent you have on the team. [B]I hope this next crew finds away to coach players above their basic abilities and get many of them to that next level.[/B][/quote]

Amen to that, brother.

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I guess I am in the minority to think that we've actually got a shot at a good WR corp next year without adding anyone. Thomas showed some nice ability to make catches once he gets in a rhythm and this was essentially Kelly's rookie season. I am going to discount much of their slow development and attribute it to coaching.

Year one Eddie Royal catches 90+ balls in Shanny's offense. Year two, 37 catches. Coincidence? I want to see Thomas, Kelly and Mitchell with a coach that will use them in the best way to make them successful.

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I agree Paintrain. I think we'll see our receivers do much better this year. I'm not one to make comparisons to Taylor Jacobs everytime a rookie doesn't get 90 catches his first year. I think the young guys have talent and MS will see that they're used to the best of their ability. I expect a lot more play action and for the young guys, including Marko, to be targeted more this season. Shanny will probably improve the line and improve the running game so it should be easier to get a pass downfield.

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the thing about marko people don't realize is how great of a pass blocking wr he was this year, 9 times out of 10 when he was in there it was to pass block, he has the potential, to say he can't play otherwise he would be out there is a joke, i completely agree with credskins if this was a real coaching staff we had in place this year it might have been different, but we had a guy like portis back there for the first six games at running back and once he came out i think it was plain as day he wasn't our best option at running back, anyone dissagree? and take at look at randel el back there returning kicks all freaking year are you gonna sit there and tell me he was our best option back there for the whole season i refuse to beleive that. i don't think anyone is saying he will be the next monk or clark, but you can't deny that when given the oppourtunity he has looked pretty good.

this is why i am excited about shanny and basically starting at a clean slate at all positions and he will evaluate each player and each position and put the best player in, instead of putting the guy that has a few numbers on speed dial

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[quote=Paintrain;652694]I guess I am in the minority to think that we've actually got a shot at a good WR corp next year without adding anyone. Thomas showed some nice ability to make catches once he gets in a rhythm and this was essentially Kelly's rookie season. I am going to discount much of their slow development and attribute it to coaching.

Year one Eddie Royal catches 90+ balls in Shanny's offense. Year two, 37 catches. Coincidence? I want to see Thomas, Kelly and Mitchell with a coach that will use them in the best way to make them successful.[/quote]

Of all the positions, Im most interested to see what Shanny does with the WRs. He seems like a "wants his guys" coach and interested to see who he keeps and who is gone. I would love for him to keep everyone cept ARE. But who knows, Marko or Kelly very well could be gone. I wouldnt be the least bit surprised if he lets both vets go...what would surprise me the most if he keeps everybody with no turnover...I think that is a 1% chance

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[quote=53Fan;652706]I agree Paintrain. I think we'll see our receivers do much better this year. I'm not one to make comparisons to Taylor Jacobs everytime a rookie doesn't get 90 catches his first year. I think the young guys have talent and MS will see that they're used to the best of their ability. I expect a lot more play action and for the young guys, including Marko, to be targeted more this season. Shanny will probably improve the line and improve the running game so it should be easier to get a pass downfield.[/quote]

I agree...Mitchell is the kind of receiver not blessed with blazing speed but is very athletic, and knows how to use his best asset (his height) to his advantage. In one on one situations we need to put it up to him, let him use his frame against much smaller DB's. It's going to be interesting to note the comparisons between the way Zorn utilized our personnel and the way Shanahan will. We won't be playing scared in this offense.