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I think that this would be the best signing we could make. We could cut Williams or Batiste and sign him. For that matter cut Mason. This guy was a second round draft choice and he has played fairly well this preseason. Then next year we would have him and Colt and maybe even Woodson competing for the one, two or three spots depending on how Campbell does this season. Another guy we could sign is Jamon Meredith of GB's practice squad. He could develop into a good left tackle.

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God please no more quarterback talk. Colt couldn't beat out Todd Collins for the backup spot with the whole staff backing him and Brian Brohm got cut by the Packers despite the fact that he was a second round pick. He must have been so bad that they figured he didn't even have enough potential to keep around for their practice squad. Give JC the year and if it doesn't work out, go after a top tier talent not waiver fodder like CB and Brohm.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;585774]God please no more quarterback talk. Colt couldn't beat out Todd Collins for the backup spot with the whole staff backing him and Brian Brohm got cut by the Packers despite the fact that he was a second round pick. He must have been so bad that they figured he didn't even have enough potential to keep around for their practice squad. Give JC the year and if it doesn't work out, go after a top tier talent not waiver fodder like CB and Brohm.[/quote]
He is on the practice squad and they only kept two QBs.

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Brohm was a 2nd rounder last year and he's on the PS? That can't be good.

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Cause we don't play his former team Week 1

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No thanks. The Pack must have a pretty good reason to let a second round pick go to the practice squad. LOL... Skinny.. classic...

Anyway I just don't see how the id would improve our team.

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Actually, he was the name that intrigued me more then any other cut this weekend. He was a top NFL prospect 2 years ago after his JR year with Bobby Petrino. His 1st year in the league was also spent learning the West Coast Offense with Green Bay. I am not saying that he's going to take Jasons job or anything but I think he is worth a spot at the end of the roster. I would much rather be developing a QB with the 53rd spot then keeping a 3rd string Mason who contributes nothing to special teams.

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Brohm was projected to be a top 5 pick if he came out early. He lost sooo much money.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;585779]Cause we don't play his former team Week 1[/quote]


Exactly why we must sign Brock Berlin before week 2; and Timmy Chang before week 3

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[quote=celts32;585782]Actually, he was the name that intrigued me more then any other cut this weekend. He was a top NFL prospect 2 years ago after his JR year with Bobby Petrino. His 1st year in the league was also spent learning the West Coast Offense with Green Bay. I am not saying that he's going to take Jasons job or anything but I think he is worth a spot at the end of the roster. I would much rather be developing a QB with the 53rd spot then keeping a 3rd string Mason who contributes nothing to special teams.[/quote]

Prospect means nothing unless you show something during the process of you being a player in the NFL. Colt & Chase were Heisman candidates. We just cut one of them and put the other one on IR. So what are you really saying? Woodson on the other hand had many accolades also. Could have sworn at one point he was in Heisman contention. So just to say we should sign Brohm because he was a top prospect is ridiculous.

Also if in case you haven't notice. The Redskins aren't into grooming QB's from rookies. Our fan base and ownership are too impatient and we will never use the word "rebuilding" for that matter.

Mason will contribute to special teams "he has no choice". He is our insurance policy because Betts hasn't been productive and Rock doesn't really service us at RB. So the need for him being on the roster is more pressing. Especially if anything happens to Portis. He will get just as many touches if CP gets injured as Betts in my opinion. Betts is good for catching the ball out of the backfield. That's why he is here and because he is a vet and knows the offense. Other than that he is not a threat at RB. That is why Mason is here.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;585805]Prospect means nothing unless you show something during the process of you being a player in the NFL. Colt & Chase were Heisman candidates. We just cut one of them and put the other one on IR. So what are you really saying? Woodson on the other hand had many accolades also. Could have sworn at one point he was in Heisman contention. So just to say we should sign Brohm because he was a top prospect is ridiculous.

Also if in case you haven't notice. The Redskins aren't into grooming QB's from rookies. Our fan base and ownership are too impatient and we will never use the word "rebuilding" for that matter.

Mason will contribute to special teams "he has no choice". He is our insurance policy because Betts hasn't been productive and Rock doesn't really service us at RB. So the need for him being on the roster is more pressing. Especially if anything happens to Portis. He will get just as many touches if CP gets injured as Betts in my opinion. Betts is good for catching the ball out of the backfield. That's why he is here and because he is a vet and knows the offense. Other than that he is not a threat at RB. That is why Mason is here.[/quote]


agreed. good post.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;585774]God please no more quarterback talk. Colt couldn't beat out Todd Collins for the backup spot with the whole staff backing him and Brian Brohm got cut by the Packers despite the fact that he was a second round pick. He must have been so bad that they figured he didn't even have enough potential to keep around for their practice squad. Give JC the year and if it doesn't work out, go after a top tier talent not waiver fodder like CB and Brohm.[/quote]

AMEN! I really hope, above all, that this preseason ends all talk about the QB position for at least 6 months. We've got our #1 and #2 QB set in stone for the 2009 season. If there's a need in 2010 then Shanahan will bring in whomever he wants (I'm on the record stating it will be Derek Anderson BTW) but let's all hope, pray and plan that we won't be having that discussion next spring.

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[quote=Paintrain;585813]AMEN! I really hope, above all, that this preseason ends all talk about the QB position for at least 6 months. We've got our #1 and #2 QB set in stone for the 2009 season. If there's a need in 2010 then Shanahan will bring in whomever he wants ([B]I'm on the record stating it will be Derek Anderson BTW) [/B]but let's all hope, pray and plan that we won't be having that discussion next spring.[/quote]

Matt Leinart

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[quote=Paintrain;585813]AMEN! [B]I really hope, above all, that this preseason ends all talk about the QB position for at least 6 months.[/B] We've got our #1 and #2 QB set in stone for the 2009 season. If there's a need in 2010 then Shanahan will bring in whomever he wants (I'm on the record stating it will be Derek Anderson BTW) but let's all hope, pray and plan that we won't be having that discussion next spring.[/quote]

Agreed. There are plenty of things to discuss now that the season is starting. Let's leave the "what ifs" for the offseason.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;585771]I think that this would be the best signing we could make. We could cut Williams or Batiste and sign him. For that matter cut Mason. This guy was a second round draft choice and he has played fairly well this preseason. Then next year we would have him and Colt and maybe even Woodson competing for the one, two or three spots depending on how Campbell does this season. Another guy we could sign is Jamon Meredith of GB's practice squad. He could develop into a good left tackle.[/quote]

OMG put down your crack pipe. Brohm sucked this pre season and that's what got him cut. Like it or not JC is our best option this year and probably next year at QB. Woodson, Colt and Brohm competing for #1 next year?? Yeah right. lol.

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[quote=SmootSmack;585786]Exactly why we must sign Brock Berlin before week 2; and [B]Timmy Chang before week 3[/B][/quote]

Finally a call for Timmy Chang! With Chang and Colt next year, we can implement the Polynesian Coast Offense!

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[quote=Lotus;585820]Finally a call for Timmy Chang! With Chang and Colt next year, we can implement the Polynesian Coast Offense![/quote]

LMAO........nice!

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[quote=skinsfan69;585819]OMG put down your crack pipe. Brohm sucked this pre season and that's what got him cut. Like it or not JC is our best option this year and probably next year at QB. Woodson, Colt and Brohm competing for #1 next year?? Yeah right. lol.[/quote]
Well, he was a top talent in last years draft. If you watched the games he was under tremendous pressure when he played bad. He would be a real value at this point. Give me a break, if you think that Batiste or Mason are better or offer more potential then Brohm. Jason played good two games and still could not throw a TD pass. This is his last chance to show he belongs in DC and it comes by default. I am pulling for him, but his production has been dismal, in the red zone. Brett Farve and Kurt Warner were came from similar situations. Brohm was a real considered a top talent just one year ago. GB also has Mat Flynn and Maybe they had to make a choice between to good young quarterbacks. Sometimes teams make mistakes, like we did with Trent Green.

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Id pass on Brohm, no thanks!

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[quote=T.O.Killa;585828]Well, he was a top talent in last years draft. If you watched the games he was under tremendous pressure when he played bad. He would be a real value at this point. Give me a break, if you think that Batiste or Mason are better or offer more potential then Brohm. [B]Jason played good two games and still could not throw a TD pass. This is his last chance to show he belongs in DC and it comes by default. I am pulling for him, but his production has been dismal, in the red zone.[/B] Brett Farve and Kurt Warner were came from similar situations. Brohm was a real considered a top talent just one year ago. GB also has Mat Flynn and Maybe they had to make a choice between to good young quarterbacks. Sometimes teams make mistakes, like we did with Trent Green.[/quote]

Well if you are pulling for him could you at least wait until he plays a few games this season?

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[quote=Ruhskins;585832]Well if you are pulling for him could you at least wait until he plays a few games this season?[/quote]
Honestly, I am excited from what I have seen from him this year and I think that what I said was taken out of context. What I was saying is that Brohm, Brennan, and Woodson, could compete next year for roster spots. They should provide us with allot of potential. JC is not even under contract next year, so all I was saying is that they may even be competing for a starting spot. More than anything, I am talking about replacing Collins.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;585837]Honestly, I am excited from what I have seen from him this year and I think that what I said was taken out of context. What I was saying is that Brohm, Brennan, and Woodson, could compete next year for roster spots. They should provide us with allot of potential. JC is not even under contract next year, so all I was saying is that they may even be competing for a starting spot.[/quote]

Ah, gotcha.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;585805]Prospect means nothing unless you show something during the process of you being a player in the NFL. Colt & Chase were Heisman candidates. We just cut one of them and put the other one on IR. So what are you really saying? Woodson on the other hand had many accolades also. Could have sworn at one point he was in Heisman contention. So just to say we should sign Brohm because he was a top prospect is ridiculous.

Also if in case you haven't notice. The Redskins aren't into grooming QB's from rookies. Our fan base and ownership are too impatient and we will never use the word "rebuilding" for that matter.

Mason will contribute to special teams "he has no choice". He is our insurance policy because Betts hasn't been productive and Rock doesn't really service us at RB. So the need for him being on the roster is more pressing. Especially if anything happens to Portis. He will get just as many touches if CP gets injured as Betts in my opinion. Betts is good for catching the ball out of the backfield. That's why he is here and because he is a vet and knows the offense. Other than that he is not a threat at RB. That is why Mason is here.[/quote]

The Heisman is a college award...it has nothing to do with being an NFL prospect. Brohm was a top NFL prospect 1 yr ago. Colt and Chas were marginal NFL prospects as evidence by their draft position. As for Mason...Zorn said today that Mason will not even be active unless he improves on special teams or they have an injury.

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i disagree with him playing well in preseason, I went to a packer preseason game and watched alot of the others being in the milwaukee area and Brohm sucks big time, the pack gave him lots of time to try to earn a spot and he couldnt do it, he overthrew and underthrew guys all the time it was ridiculous the time he was in at the Bills game i went to was the worst football to watch ever.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;585780]No thanks. The Pack must have a pretty good reason to let a second round pick go to the practice squad. LOL... Skinny.. classic...

Anyway I just don't see how the id would improve our team.[/quote]

[quote=Mattyk72;585776]Brohm was a 2nd rounder last year and he's on the PS? That can't be good.[/quote]

These days I'm hesitant to give every single team the benefit of the doubt when it comes to scouting players and consequently deciding if they stay or get cut. I mean it's not like good players never get cut or go unsigned. However given the Packers success in developing Aaron Rodgers I can safely say I trust their judgment on this one.

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Jamon Meredith at OT would actually be a good pickup, he'd be a good addition at backup RT.....

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let's make this easy, NO. NO. NO.

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yeah no brohm....but if we happen to sign a qb named booty..i might be for it simply so i can wear the jersey

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^So you want us to make a Booty call?

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[quote=T.O.Killa;585828]Well, he was a top talent in last years draft. If you watched the games he was under tremendous pressure when he played bad. He would be a real value at this point. Give me a break, if you think that Batiste or Mason are better or offer more potential then Brohm. Jason played good two games and still could not throw a TD pass. This is his last chance to show he belongs in DC and it comes by default. I am pulling for him, but his production has been dismal, in the red zone. Brett Farve and Kurt Warner were came from similar situations. Brohm was a real considered a top talent just one year ago. GB also has Mat Flynn and Maybe they had to make a choice between to good young quarterbacks. Sometimes teams make mistakes, like we did with Trent Green.[/quote]

whatever.... brain brohm..now i've heard it all.

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[quote=Carnage;585783]Brohm was projected to be a top 5 pick if he came out early. He lost sooo much money.[/quote]

I love when people say things like that. Like how Sam Bradford would have been a top 5 pick but now he is hurt and his stock will drop. It is impossible to know where a player would have been drafted when they never went through the entire pre-draft evaluation process. We should all know from following the draft so closely how dynamic the process is and how worthless preseason draft "projections" are.

On Brohm. He is certainly an intriguing name, but at least as intriguing is how a team would cut a second round pick after only one year and instead keep a sixth round pick with very limited physical skills. You'd have to believe he would be better than Woodson, but you'd also have to put him on the active roster if he is on Green Bay's PS. Others have mentioned Meredith, he is a guy I would not mind having here and dropping Batiste. Rather have him than Brohm, but I did not see either play at all in the preseason.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;586028][B]I love when people say things like that. Like how Sam Bradford would have been a top 5 pick but now he is hurt and his stock will drop. It is impossible to know where a player would have been drafted when they never went through the entire pre-draft evaluation process. We should all know from following the draft so closely how dynamic the process is and how worthless preseason draft "projections" are.[/B]

On Brohm. He is certainly an intriguing name, but at least as intriguing is how a team would cut a second round pick after only one year and instead keep a sixth round pick with very limited physical skills. You'd have to believe he would be better than Woodson, but you'd also have to put him on the active roster if he is on Green Bay's PS. Others have mentioned Meredith, he is a guy I would not mind having here and dropping Batiste. Rather have him than Brohm, but I did not see either play at all in the preseason.[/quote]

I would slightly disagree with you. There is always a bit of more guaranteed money(bonus) for the players selected high. Also if a high pick lays a dud, they usually get a couple years to prove themselves. After which the player is cut.

Between that 2-3 years plus bonus, there is quite a bit of money to be made as a high pick. And not entering the draft, that is money lost. Of course there is a cost-benefit analysis one must do. For example, Tim Tebow is really helping himself staying another year(barring injury). He wasn't projected overly high. I think the projections matter.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;586028]I love when people say things like that. Like how Sam Bradford would have been a top 5 pick but now he is hurt and his stock will drop. It is impossible to know where a player would have been drafted when they never went through the entire pre-draft evaluation process. We should all know from following the draft so closely how dynamic the process is and how worthless preseason draft "projections" are.

[B]On Brohm. He is certainly an intriguing name, but at least as intriguing is how a team would cut a second round pick after only one year and instead keep a sixth round pick with very limited physical skills. [/B]You'd have to believe he would be better than Woodson, but you'd also have to put him on the active roster if he is on Green Bay's PS. Others have mentioned Meredith, he is a guy I would not mind having here and dropping Batiste. Rather have him than Brohm, but I did not see either play at all in the preseason.[/quote]

It happens all the time in the NFL. It happened here when Gus beat out Heath and turned out to be the better pro. Brohm looked like a can't miss coming out of Louisville. He played in a pro offfense for several years and put up big numbers and ran the offense very well. But for what ever reason that doesn't trranslate into the pro game. Alex Smith got beat out by Shawn freakin Hill. I still shake my head at that one. lol.

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[quote=celts32;585782]Actually, he was the name that intrigued me more then any other cut this weekend. He was a top NFL prospect 2 years ago after his JR year with Bobby Petrino. His 1st year in the league was also spent learning the West Coast Offense with Green Bay. I am not saying that he's going to take Jasons job or anything but I think he is worth a spot at the end of the roster. [B]I would much rather be developing a QB with the 53rd spot then keeping a 3rd string Mason who contributes nothing to special teams.[/B][/quote]

Yet another Mason bashing. Ya now I wouldn't have as much problem with people bashing Mason as long as they gave the flip side to the arguement....."I'd rather be developing a QB also with the 53 spot then keeping a 3rd string Cartwright who contributes nothing to the offense." ;)

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shouldn't there be a ? at the end of the thread title???

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[quote=hooskins;586030]I would slightly disagree with you. There is always a bit of more guaranteed money(bonus) for the players selected high. Also if a high pick lays a dud, they usually get a couple years to prove themselves. After which the player is cut.

Between that 2-3 years plus bonus, there is quite a bit of money to be made as a high pick. And not entering the draft, that is money lost. Of course there is a cost-benefit analysis one must do. For example, Tim Tebow is really helping himself staying another year(barring injury). He wasn't projected overly high. I think the projections matter.[/quote]

Yeah, where you are picked matters, but that is not what I was saying. My point is that where "everyone" thinks a player is going to be picked does not matter at all because it is all hype until the actual NFL evaluation process kicks into gear. So for someone to say, "if Brian Brohm entered the draft after his junior year he would have been a top 10 pick" is a completely unverifiable statement and based entirely on media/fan hype.

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[quote=SBXVII;586042]Yet another Mason bashing. Ya now I wouldn't have as much problem with people bashing Mason as long as they gave the flip side to the arguement....."I'd rather be developing a QB also with the 53 spot then keeping a 3rd string Cartwright who contributes nothing to the offense." ;)[/quote]

Actually I would have preferred they cut Betts. I don't dislike Mason...i just don't think he adds anything to the team other then a 3rd string RB. He's not playing special teams, he's not a change of pace RB. He's simply a 3rd stringer that only becomes usefull if Portis or Betts go down. As for Brohm...it's really not a big deal but I do think he is a QB worth taking a look at based on his scouting report from a year ago. QB's take time to develop...just because GB gave up it doesn't mean he has no chance.

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I wish I could say I'm surprised that this thread has nearly 40 responses, but alas, I'm not.

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[quote=celts32;586051]Actually I would have preferred they cut Betts. I don't dislike Mason...i just don't think he adds anything to the team other then a 3rd string RB. He's not playing special teams, he's not a change of pace RB. He's simply a 3rd stringer that only becomes usefull if Portis or Betts go down. As for Brohm...it's really not a big deal but I do think he is a QB worth taking a look at based on his scouting report from a year ago. QB's take time to develop...just because GB gave up it doesn't mean he has no chance.[/quote]

I'll agree Mason is a poor mans version of Betts. I would have prefered they cut Betts also, but on the flip side as much as people want to argue that Mason is "one dimensional" I see Cartwright as being the same thing in reverse. He is not the 3rd string RB for nothing. He never see's the field as a RB for no reason. He just is not good at being a RB and actually has no value to the offense. All he is, is a glorified KR. Perhaps a good takler. I would argue his better role would be as a Safety since he can tackle well. But in the end he does nothing else except KR. He does not even PR. I mean if he's supposed to be good at one thing taking a ball that was kicked and getting atleast 25.6 yrds per carry then stick him on PR duty also. Unless he sucks at that also.

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Also, I can say that while growing up teams did draft QB's and develope them, but now a days as someone else pointed out it's all about instant gratification. I mean look at Detroit and their Rookie QB. The Ravens last yr. Atlanta. The Jets this yr.

I'll even go as far as to say I don't thin we should have had 4 RB's on the roster. But I guess that's no different then last yr when the team had 7 WR's. I'll even say one of the RB's should be cut and maybe your boy brougt in then compete next yr with Woodson, and Colt if they haven't reached a settlement with him. but I honestly don't think it should be Mason who gets cut.