The Health Care Reform Address Thread
 

Figured I'd make a new thread just in case anyone watches the address and has any opinions on it.

Discuss here? :)

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I like watching these addresses. I'm already getting a little annoyed, though, with the pep rally atmosphere. Everybody clapping and standing anytime a good statement is made.

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The bitter facial expressions on both sides of the aisle are priceless! (I have nothing of importance to add)

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what was up with the heckler?

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[quote=Mattyk72;586292]what was up with the heckler?[/quote]

I don't know if they figured out who it was yet. CNN says they have an idea, but won't release a name until they get confirmation.

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I like the bits and pieces of the plan that are from all sides. I think reform is an easy idea to accept, but it does need to be done right.

All I am saying is the American People will get what they deserve. We have elected our officials and they hold all the cards.

If you do not like what you get, please vote out the people who are preventing what you believe in.

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[quote=Mattyk72;586292]what was up with the heckler?[/quote]
I was waiting for a shoe to come flying in.

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The heckler has been revealed!!

[url=http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/09/09/cnn-confirms-rep-wilson-the-congressional-heckler/]CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - GOP congressman heckles Obama during health-care speech « - Blogs from CNN.com[/url]

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grow up. talking about something that could possibly affect every one, and you yell childish shit. get over your self

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Pretty childish and disrespectful.

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Men of low quality are just that. Much cannot be expected of them.

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Meh. He's apologized for it already...


WASHINGTON (CNN) — GOP Rep. Joe Wilson of South Carolina issued a statement Wednesday night apologizing for his outburst during President Obama's speech to Congress:

“This evening I let my emotions get the best of me when listening to the President’s remarks regarding the coverage of illegal immigrants in the health care bill. While I disagree with the President’s statement, my comments were inappropriate and regrettable. I extend sincere apologies to the President for this lack of civility.”

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[quote=724Skinsfan;586320]Meh. He's apologized for it already...


WASHINGTON (CNN) — GOP Rep. Joe Wilson of South Carolina issued a statement Wednesday night apologizing for his outburst during President Obama's speech to Congress:

“This evening I let my emotions get the best of me when listening to the President’s remarks regarding the coverage of illegal immigrants in the health care bill. While I disagree with the President’s statement, my comments were inappropriate and regrettable. I extend sincere apologies to the President for this lack of civility.”[/quote]

This stupid f*ck face needs not apologize but he does need to read the house bill which explicitly prohibits extending healthcare to illegal immigrants ([URL="http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf"]sec 246, page 143[/URL]):

[quote]Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States
[/quote]Don't worry though folks, your current wait time at the emergency room won't improve with or without universal healthcare.

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[quote=saden1;586326]This stupid f*ck face needs not apologize but he does need to read the house bill which explicitly prohibits extending healthcare to illegal immigrants ([URL="http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf"]sec 246, page 143[/URL]):

Don't worry though folks, your current wait time at the emergency room won't improve with or without universal healthcare.[/quote]

Actually, he absolutely needed to apologize. Despite being a Republican, I love that when this dingbat called the White House afterwards hoping to apologize to Obama, instead he got Rahm Emanuel on the phone. Man I wish I could have heard that conversation.

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_health_care_heckling]Obama heckled by GOP during speech: 'You lie!' - Yahoo! News[/url]

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[quote=GMScud;586354]Actually, he absolutely needed to apologize. Despite being a Republican, I love that when this dingbat called the White House afterwards hoping to apologize to Obama, instead he got Rahm Emanuel on the phone. Man I wish I could have heard that conversation.

[URL="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_health_care_heckling"]Obama heckled by GOP during speech: 'You lie!' - Yahoo! News[/URL][/quote]

I'm a big believer in "if you said it you meant it and if you meant it you need not apologize." This dumbf*ck clearly meant what he said so an apology is neither necessary nor desired. Honestly though, the bar has been set so low by the GOP this is hardly surprising. Not telling a lie while screaming "you lie" is too much to ask? I find the recursive nature of his "you lie" scream hilarious and sad.

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[quote=saden1;586326]This stupid f*ck face needs not apologize but he does need to read the house bill which explicitly prohibits extending healthcare to illegal immigrants ([URL="http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf"]sec 246, page 143[/URL]):

Don't worry though folks, your current wait time at the emergency room won't improve with or without universal healthcare.[/quote]

The problem with saying "This bill makes this or that unavailable to illegals" is that there are lots of laws that make lots of things unavailable to illegals (like their presence here to begin with) and they flout those laws. They're illegal see. The laws don't apply to them.

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I love the movie A Few Good Men. One part that I love is the questioning of the base commander by Cruise. In that section, he repeatedly asks the commander if he ordered that the weakest soldier not be harmed, every time the commander responded more and more aggressively that he ordered the man not be harmed, and that he ordered a transfer of the man off the post. In a great moment, the lawyer asks, why the two orders. Excellent.

That's what I think of when Saden quotes the bill, saying it explicitly says not to pay illegals. if they are here illegally, and should not receive benefits anyways, why does it need to be written into the bill.

anyway thats my 2cents

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[quote=GMScud;586354]Actually, he absolutely needed to apologize. Despite being a Republican, I love that when this dingbat called the White House afterwards hoping to apologize to Obama, instead he got Rahm Emanuel on the phone. Man I wish I could have heard that conversation.

[URL="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_health_care_heckling"]Obama heckled by GOP during speech: 'You lie!' - Yahoo! News[/URL][/quote]

Good to see there was swift criticism of this moron from his fellow party members.

Yeah can you imagine that phone call? Dude is probably walking funny today LOL

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[quote=Mattyk72;586313]Pretty childish and disrespectful.[/quote]

I don't recall you saying this when these things happened to Bush and it started before he even took office.

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[quote=saden1;586326]This stupid f*ck face needs not apologize but he does need to read the house bill which explicitly prohibits extending healthcare to illegal immigrants ([URL="http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf"]sec 246, page 143[/URL]):

Don't worry though folks, your current wait time at the emergency room won't improve with or without universal healthcare.[/quote]

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[FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4][FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4][FONT=Times New Roman]This deals with affordability credits and what the F is that. Have you read the entire bill to know for certain 100% that in no other sections that illegals cannot join into the plan? [/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4][FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4][FONT=Times New Roman]We all know that these will be an easy plan to understand and the goverment will just play a small roll in administering the plan. Her is an example of them cutting out all the paper work:[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]

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I thought the address was good, it showed Obama's willing to moderate on some issues and incorporate ideas from both sides of the aisle.

He said that everyone will be required to carry insurance, like auto insurance in Pennsylvania. I love that because no longer can the uninsured head to the emergency room for care on the insured's and the taxpayers' dime. Now everyone will have to pay into the system, nobody can get away with something for nothing - no handouts for anyone.

He said he wants to work to find ideas to bring down malpractice costs and looked to Republicans on those efforts. Love that.

I don't care about death panels, I don't care about hecklers, don't let yourselves get distracted from the real issues. Obama is willing to moderate and compromise and because of that I think we'll get a plan passed that makes sense and works.

Much detail needs to be ironed out, because when he says "we'll pay for this by eliminating wasteful spending from the healthcare system", one of the ways he currently plans to do this is by eliminating government subsidies to hospitals in very poor neighborhoods (like mine). That would crush us and could threaten to put us out of business in 10 years, leaving the poor with no access to care here in North Philly. That has to get worked through or he could do more harm than good. But the willingness to compromise on issues is encouraging.

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[quote=firstdown;586411]I don't recall you saying this when these things happened to Bush and it started before he even took office.[/quote]

Ah I knew you would swoop in and have this kind of take on it. I really don't recall anyone in Congress heckling Bush in that same manner.

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[quote=Mattyk72;586430]Ah I knew you would swoop in and have this kind of take on it. I really don't recall anyone in Congress heckling Bush in that same manner.[/quote]

No they actually said much worse over the 8 years. I agree what the guy did was in poor tast but I had to watch these type of thing happen to Bush for 8 years and the left thought it was OK then but now it is wrong in their eyes. Actually even Obama's owen accounting office says that this plan is not paid for and will raise the dept by 1,000,000,000,000 over 10 years. So yes he does lie.

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[FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4][FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4][FONT=Times New Roman]This deals with affordability credits and what the F is that. Have you read the entire bill to know for certain 100% that in no other sections that illegals cannot join into the plan? [/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4][FONT=DeVinne][SIZE=4][FONT=Times New Roman]We all know that these will be an easy plan to understand and the goverment will just play a small roll in administering the plan. Her is an example of them cutting out all the paper work:[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]

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Firstdown........................I here you man! And thats why I was saying little words MUST be used to get his point across. His speech yesterday used those little words. And when a Republican bashed him for it................well, he ended up apologizing shortly there after. Obama and his administration just need to keep using those little words. If they keep using them, they will be fine. They will pass this bill.


Hey! Did anyone see the look on Nancy Pelosi's face when that dude called out the President? SHE WAS PISSED! I thought she was going to jump out of her chair, over the rail and smack that dude! Grab his tie, then smack him again! I can't help but think she kicked his ass afterwards. Thats probably why he apologized so fast.

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[quote=Mattyk72;586430]Ah I knew you would swoop in and have this kind of take on it. I really don't recall anyone in Congress heckling Bush in that same manner.[/quote]Not individually, but in 2004, 2005 and 2007 Bush meet with Boos and Noooos from the Dems at the SoTU.

[URL="http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0909/Dems_heckled_Bush_but_Wilson_was_different.html"]Dems heckled Bush, but Wilson was different - Glenn Thrush - POLITICO.com[/URL]

[URL="http://www.redstate.com/jph/2009/09/10/democrats-heckled-bush-during-2005-sotu-speech/"]Democrats Heckled Bush During 2005 SOTU Speech - JPH’s blog - RedState[/URL]

[URL="http://www.topix.com/forum/city/grand-rapids-mi/T9T9TDQCA0B3O4U7V"]Heckling new to Prez. speeches? Nope, Just Dem outrage. - Topix[/URL]

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[quote=firstdown;586436]No they actually said much worse over the 8 years. I agree what the guy did was in poor tast but I had to watch these type of thing happen to Bush for 8 years and the left thought it was OK then but now it is wrong in their eyes. Actually even Obama's owen accounting office says that this plan is not paid for and will raise the dept by 1,000,000,000,000 over 10 years. So yes he does lie.[/quote]

I know you always like to make it a left/right issue, but it's not. Both sides are guilty of the same crap.

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[quote=Mattyk72;586446]I know you always like to make it a left/right issue, but it's not. Both sides are guilty of the same crap.[/quote]
I agree I was just pointing out that now the left makes an issue of those thing but did not when Bush was in office.

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[quote=Miller101;586441]Obama and his administration just need to keep using those little words. If they keep using them, they will be fine. They will pass this bill.
[/quote]Keep using them as the approval ratings and support for ObamaCare keep going in the toilet.....use big words, little words, it doesn't matter bad legislation is bad legislation.

Using whatever size words you like, the President indirectly backed off the public option, which is a win for all of us.

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[quote=firstdown;586448]I agree I was just pointing out that now the left makes an issue of those thing but did not when Bush was in office.[/quote]

So... it's still a left/right thing? lol

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So why would Obama pass health care bill that does not cover illegals because isn't illegals goinr to the emergency room just part of the problem. Maybe Obama's plan will just make it illegal to provide any medical treatment to illegals.

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[quote=70Chip;586364]The problem with saying "This bill makes this or that unavailable to illegals" is that there are lots of laws that make lots of things unavailable to illegals (like their presence here to begin with) and they flout those laws. They're illegal see. The laws don't apply to them.[/quote]

I see...so in a roundabout way the bill does provide illegals with coverage. I suppose by that same token the current heath care system as well as all public and private enterprises suffer from this same problem of fraud too. So the question becomes is the root of the problem the heath care bill itself? Will it be more satisfactory if we evict illegal immigrants first then enact heathcare?

Regardless of whether the law applies to them or not it's in the books. Is the language in the bill valid in the court of law, yes. Is it redundant, yes. I suspect section 246 was inserted to satisfy or disarm Republicans but apparently nothing seem to work on unsatisfiable men.

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The last time I was in the emergency room I was in there with a bunch of illegals. I had to pay for my visit because my full coverage insurance (Anthem) refused to pay. Those illegals paid nothing. I paid for them and me.

Now Barrack says I have to get insurance. As if my health belongs to the Federal Government. Since when do others get the right to decide for me what is best for me? The arrogance and subservience of the progressives is astonishing. You'll make great pets.

Barrack Obama is a liar and a thief. He's no different than the other liar and thief that just left. Do you hear the printing presses running? That's the sound of poverty.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;586468]The last time I was in the emergency room I was in there with a bunch of illegals. I had to pay for my visit because my full coverage insurance (Anthem) refused to pay. Those illegals paid nothing. I paid for them and me.

Now Barrack says I have to get insurance. As if my health belongs to the Federal Government. [B]Since when do others get the right to decide for me what is best for me?[/B] The arrogance and subservience of the progressives is astonishing. You'll make great pets.

Barrack Obama is a liar and a thief. He's no different than the other liar and thief that just left. Do you hear the printing presses running? That's the sound of poverty.[/quote]

It happens your whole life. You should be used to it by now. :)

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;586449]Keep using them as the approval ratings and support for ObamaCare keep going in the toilet.....use big words, little words, it doesn't matter bad legislation is bad legislation.

Using whatever size words you like, [B]the President indirectly backed off the public option, which is a win for all of us.[/B][/quote]


He did no such thing. You can call it whatever you want but at end of the day there will be an option to get heath care through the government.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;586397]I love the movie A Few Good Men. One part that I love is the questioning of the base commander by Cruise. In that section, he repeatedly asks the commander if he ordered that the weakest soldier not be harmed, every time the commander responded more and more aggressively that he ordered the man not be harmed, and that he ordered a transfer of the man off the post. In a great moment, the lawyer asks, why the two orders. Excellent.

That's what I think of when Saden quotes the bill, saying it explicitly says not to pay illegals. if they are here illegally, and should not receive benefits anyways, why does it need to be written into the bill.

anyway thats my 2cents[/quote]

I often see the world mathematically.

If the language to not give illegal immigrant heathcare is in the bill why does it matter whether it is in the bill? Does the bill weaken or strengthen their legal rights?

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[quote=Mattyk72;586446]I know you always like to make it a left/right issue, but it's not. Both sides are guilty of the same crap.[/quote]

Then both sides ought to shut the f*ck up about it (channeling my inner-saden there). It's disingenuous for all the Bush bashers to rail on this guy and be dismissive of legitimate concerns that the Dems have done it also. Intentionally or not the argument sounds like "It's ok for people I agree with to do something like this but if I don't agree with them then they need to shut up." The general tone of the current administration and party of power towards those that disagree, dismissive and condescending, only strengthens that image.

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[quote=saden1;586478]He did no such thing. You can call it whatever you want but at end of the day there will be an option to get heath care through the government.[/quote]To my progressive friends, I would remind you that for decades, the driving idea behind reform has been to end insurance company abuses and make coverage affordable for those without it. The public option is only a means to that end – and we should remain open to other ideas that accomplish our ultimate goal.

I guess we interpret this differently, only time will tell.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;586468]The last time I was in the emergency room I was in there with a bunch of illegals. [B]I had to pay for my visit because my full coverage insurance (Anthem) refused to pay.[/B] Those illegals paid nothing. I paid for them and me.

Now Barrack says I have to get insurance. As if my health belongs to the Federal Government. Since when do others get the right to decide for me what is best for me? The arrogance and subservience of the progressives is astonishing. You'll make great pets.

Barrack Obama is a liar and a thief. He's no different than the other liar and thief that just left. Do you hear the printing presses running? That's the sound of poverty.[/quote]

I'm not gonna act like I know the first thing about health coverage, I was uninsured for about a good year until my college forced me to take insurance this year.

So this might sound like a dumb question.

But why didn't your insurance cover your visit?

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;586486]To my progressive friends, I would remind you that for decades, the driving idea behind reform has been to end insurance company abuses and make coverage affordable for those without it. The public option is only a means to that end – and we should remain open to other ideas that [B]accomplish our ultimate goal.[/B]

I guess we interpret this differently, only time will tell.[/quote]

It's called re-branding. Political Marketing 101.

What he is really saying is I really don't care how so long as what we want gets done.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;586487]I'm not gonna act like I know the first thing about health coverage, I was uninsured for about a good year until my college forced me to take insurance this year.

So this might sound like a dumb question.

But why didn't your insurance cover your visit?[/quote]

Good question? They just told me they didn't cover emergency room visits. So I told them I'd just pay my doctor cash from now on and didn't need their service.