The Forgotten 2nd Rounder...Fred Davis
 

Lost in the shuffle during the opening season hype and the,for once, positive news of M. Kelly being awarded the starting number two WR spot is the fact that F. Davis has not been spoken of since his preseason TD three long weeks ago.

Now unless there is a covert operation to sneak attack teams with Davis as a weapon I'd say that he is going to see his fair share of hardcore pine coming into this season.


What's your thoughts on the silence of Davis's playing status? For being the best athlete on the board during the mid 2nd round I'd say he should at least have some expectation of contributing this year much like Thomas and Kelly, his 2nd round brethren.


Here Yahoo even has him listed as 3rd string TE below Yoder...yuck!
[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/was/depthchart]Washington Redskins - Depth Chart - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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I will go with covert operation.

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Ya bring up a good point. We kept hearing about Kelly/Thomas, Thomas/Kelly, and a lot of Campbell. Recently it's been Colt, Chase, Mason, and Mitchell. Everyone has wondered if Kelly or Thomas will step up. Who will take the #2 spot. Will they contribute at all?

but for whatever reason Davis falls through the cracks. Hardly even mentioned. Everytime the others were mentioned I wanted to say......"and Davis." I think lots of people on here kinda expected Davis to take the #2 spot which leaves me scratching my head wondering why it's like ho-hum that Davis is listed as #3. Is Yoder that much better then Davis? I have to imagine being in the league 6-7 yrs Yoder had to have picked up knowledge of how to play the game. Yoder, for the last 2 yrs, would retire only to be called back into service by the Skins. but I only saw him make one TD in preseason just like Davis.
I keep hope that Davis is the 007 of the Skins. Their keeping him a secret for the season when they can empliment the 2 TE sets, but it's hard when even Zorn skips over him and mentions that Cooley will get a lot of chances with the ball. Cooley will have more TD's this yr. I mean Zorn could have said "the TE's".

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I think for the first time in a long time we have so many weapons to talk about it's easy for one to slide under the radar. Mitchell has gotten a lot of attention so far and deservedly so. For a rookie to come in and play like he has, well.. he grabs a lot of media attention. Kelly stepping up after an injury plaqued year has been fantastic as well and makes a great story. There have been a lot of good stories coming out of the Redskins preseason with Orakpo, AH, Jarmon, Kelly, Mitchell, JC, the o-line etc. You don't hear as much about Cooley, ARE, or Portis but these guys are supposedly doing very well and of course, a lot is expected of them. Kelly's progress has even made DT look like he's not doing very well even though I think he's made progress from last year and expect much more contribution from him this year. With so many "new" stories to talk about, maybe Davis just isn't getting as much attention as he would have if there wasn't so many [I]other[/I] good stories to talk about. At least that's my hope.

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Call me crazy but I think Fred Davis will eventually become our starting tightend with a new coaching regime on deck. Davis is bigger than Cooley and has great hands too. Davis is also more athletic. I love Cooley to death but I could see us getting a couple of picks for him in the offseason to start the rebuilding process along with Moss and Portis.

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Not sure where everyone has been but Davis has gotten a lot of praise for his offseason work and how much he has improved. I think he's going to see plenty of action.

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^I'm with Matty on this one.

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[quote=Mattyk72;587114]Not sure where everyone has been but Davis has gotten a lot of praise for his offseason work and how much he has improved. I think he's going to see plenty of action.[/quote]

Well, Devin Thomas got the same kind of praise, and he's still struggling and no better than our 4th wr right now. Heck, with how well Mitchell has played, he may not be far from our 5th. And we heard all offseason was how hard he's working and how much better he's gotten. Just words. It's pretty concerning if Fred Davis can't beat out Yoder. Fred had the one wide open TD sure, but also a few big fumbles and not much else. He's pretty far away from being a contributor IMO.

I'm really happy with Kelly's progress, but Thomas and Davis need to make some major strides or they are headed towards bust-ville.

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[quote=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;587111]Call me crazy but I think Fred Davis will eventually become our starting tightend with a new coaching regime on deck. Davis is bigger than Cooley and has great hands too. Davis is also more athletic. I love Cooley to death but I could see us getting a couple of picks for him in the offseason to start the rebuilding process along with Moss and Portis.[/quote]

What rebuilding process?? I don't understand the absurd pessimism surrounding this team. THEY WENT 8-8 IN THE FREAKING NFC EAST IN THE FIRST YEAR OF THE SYSTEM!!! Give me a break, that's 10-6 in a few other divisions. Let this year progress, let them go 4-12/5-11 before even mentioning rebuilding or Zorn getting the boot.

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It has been said many times and I'll say it once more.
When it comes to knowledge, experience, ability to succeed, etc, there are reasons why Coaches and their staffs coach and fans bitch?
Because that is what our qualifications allow us to do..........get it? I doubt the Skins staff have overlooked any aspect of "player use" and have plans to use them where most useful.
This is not to say a fan has never had an original idea, and a coach has never been wrong, but AT LEAST give our coaching staff credit for the obvious.....Fred will play

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I feel like his hype really died down after fumbling twice in a preseason game.

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[quote=Hog1;587123]It has been said many times and I'll say it once more.
When it comes to knowledge, experience, ability to succeed, etc, there are reasons why Coaches and their staffs coach and fans bitch?
Because that is what our qualifications allow us to do..........get it? I doubt the Skins staff have overlooked any aspect of "player use" and have plans to use them where most useful.
This is not to say a fan has never had an original idea, and a coach has never been wrong, but AT LEAST give our coaching staff credit for the obvious.....Fred will play[/quote]
Why is it so obvious that Fred will play? Last time I checked 3rd string TEs don't see the field much. I hope you're right, but as far as I can see he hasn't done much to earn too many minutes.

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My memory seems to think that Portis is always in praise of Davis ...maybe he didn't get the memo to keep our "007 Agent" under wraps.

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Davis will get his opportunities this year, but playing behind a pro bowl TE he's only going to be a situational player. Here's hoping he makes the most of the opportunities he gets, possibly in two TE sets. I'm really rooting for Davis to succeed.

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[quote=Hog1;587123]It has been said many times and I'll say it once more.
When it comes to knowledge, experience, ability to succeed, etc, there are reasons why Coaches and their staffs coach and fans bitch?
Because that is what our qualifications allow us to do..........get it? I doubt the Skins staff have overlooked any aspect of "player use" and have plans to use them where most useful.
This is not to say a fan has never had an original idea, and a coach has never been wrong, but AT LEAST give our coaching staff credit for the obvious.....Fred will play[/quote]

I didn't know that I was coming off as bitching. I just posed a question of why we haven't heard anything about F. Davis pushing for more playing time.

I'm aware that coaches have more on field involvement with players and thus an intimate knowledge of who should be playing, however if Davis is 3rd string TE and the team is fine with that, than he is being held to a lower expectation than his 2nd round counterparts.

Keep in mind too that he technically is the most athletic of the picks as we had to draft WR for need last year.

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Yeah Davis probably didn't help himself much fumbling twice that game. But like 53 said it's no surprise he isn't getting attention when there's excitement swirling around a WR corp that spent years in the doldrums. Mitchell alone is enough to overshadow Fred.

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[quote=GMScud;587127]Why is it so obvious that Fred will play? Last time I checked 3rd string TEs don't see the field much. I hope you're right, but as far as I can see he hasn't done much to earn too many minutes.[/quote]

Exactly, who talks about 3rd string tight ends? He was a lame duck last year, fumbles this preseason. Lets worry about the people who are starting.

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Maybe he can't block. No one is talking about Yoder either. A lot of [I]starting [/I]TEs don't get much attention, let alone the #2 or #3. I'm sure they'll fine a way to work him into the game plan. The more weapons defenses have to prepare for the better... which reminds me of why I like running back platoons... but I digress;)

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I dunno, I guess I just figured it's because he's behind one of the best TE's in the league in CC, and (I may be wrong about this) Yoder is prob just a better blocking TE, which is often what you want from that position.

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[quote=The Goat;587138]Yeah Davis probably didn't help himself much fumbling twice that game. But like 53 said it's no surprise he isn't getting attention when there's excitement swirling around a WR corp that spent years in the doldrums. Mitchell alone is enough to overshadow Fred.[/quote]

Better protection, better WRs, 2nd year in the system for Campbell, Fred Davis, Zorn's second season, more plays inserted into the game plan... it all adds up to a MUCH IMPROVED OFFENSE! If the Skins can average 3-5 more point a game and at least maintain their defensive standing from last year, they will be a FORCE! If they score more and the Defense is better, sky's the limit! Is it Sunday yet?!?!?!

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[quote=44Deezel;587148]Better protection, better WRs, 2nd year in the system for Campbell, Fred Davis, Zorn's second season, more plays inserted into the game plan... it all adds up to a MUCH IMPROVED OFFENSE! If the Skins can average 3-5 more point a game and at least maintain their defensive standing from last year, they will be a FORCE! If they score more and the Defense is better, sky's the limit! Is it Sunday yet?!?!?![/quote]

Amen!
The offense certainly needs to produce better...don't care if it's Davis, Kelly, Thomas, Mitchell...or an old lady they pull out of the stands, or a combination there-of, we NEED better production!

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dont worry redskin fans he's fine and #3 is not what he is truss we had talks they have some sets set up but he doesnt know when coach will use those 2 te sets but hes ready and hungry as helll real pumped we like the fact that his name isnt bein pumped cuz we wanna get pumped during the season when it counts

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hes running all 2 te sets in practice w cooley majority of time -- so hes fine

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From Matt Terl's blog. Maybe Davis IS having a tough time with his blocking assignments:

Two guys jumped out at me as having big days today. The first was rookie defensive end Jeremy Jarmon, who continues to impress. On one play he threw a blocker aside -- Fred Davis, I believe -- with as much force as I've ever seen. Saying that someone threw a guy "like a ragdoll" is an enormous cliche for a reason, but that's what this looked like. Jarmon also batted a pass down at the line against the first team offense, and just generally looked strong throughout the day.

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So are you his real brother?

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They say no news is good news, we can't tell opposing teams all our weapons.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;587099]Lost in the shuffle during the opening season hype and the,for once, positive news of M. Kelly being awarded the starting number two WR spot is the fact that F. Davis has not been spoken of since his preseason TD three long weeks ago.

Now unless there is a covert operation to sneak attack teams with Davis as a weapon I'd say that he is going to see his fair share of hardcore pine coming into this season.


What's your thoughts on the silence of Davis's playing status? For being the best athlete on the board during the mid 2nd round I'd say he should at least have some expectation of contributing this year much like Thomas and Kelly, his 2nd round brethren.


[B]Here Yahoo even has him listed as 3rd string TE below Yoder.[/B]..yuck!
[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/was/depthchart]Washington Redskins - Depth Chart - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url][/quote]

What I saw in preseason is that he is the #2, not #3, tight end. Yahoo appears to be mistaken on this one.

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There's only so many passes to share. It's not like Moss, Cooley, MK, DT, MM and FD are all going to have these huge years. IF we see above average numbers out of half of those guys, it's a big improvement.

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Who said he's forgotten? Did you not watch the exhibition games where he fumbled and came back to redeem himself with some nice TD catches? He will be part of the game plan, like I said in another post, last year with had 2 consistent receivers (didn't count ARE since he dropped too many critical passes). This year with the emergence of our 3 rookies from lat year and Marko Mitchell, we will have 7 seven players that I believe will come through and make Campbell a great QB and give us a very successful season. It's going to be a fun season in my opinion!!

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[quote=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;587111]Call me crazy but I think Fred Davis will eventually become our starting tightend with a new coaching regime on deck. Davis is bigger than Cooley and has great hands too. Davis is also more athletic. I love Cooley to death but I could see us getting a couple of picks for him in the offseason to start the rebuilding process along with Moss and Portis.[/quote]

Crazy.

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just asked him about jarmon tossing him like a rag doll in practice he said hell naw i tangled foot with the o lineman thats how that happened

Re: The Forgotten 2nd Rounder...Fred Davis
 

[quote=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;587111]Call me crazy but I think Fred Davis will eventually become our starting tightend with a new coaching regime on deck. Davis is bigger than Cooley and has great hands too. Davis is also more athletic. [B]I love Cooley to death but I could see us getting a couple of picks for him in the offseason to start the rebuilding process along with Moss and Portis.[/quote][/B]

[B]huh???[/B]

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-- TWO TIGHT ENDS: Don't be surprised to see the Redskins line up in a two-tight-end formation Sunday. The Giants' defensive line is the league's best, and the Redskins need to be smart, creative and efficient in trying to protect quarterback Jason Campbell.

"Obviously, with the Giants, you're talking a great defense, a great line," Campbell said. "Those guys do a great job putting pressure on the quarterback and disrupting the timing of your offense.

"Whenever you play any team, you know you have to have your pass pro set. You have to get your pass pro right against any defense, but especially with the Giants."

Led by Pro Bowl defensive ends Justin Tuck and Osi Umenyiora, New York applies immense pressure from the edge, which could make things difficult for tackles Chris Samuels and Stephon Heyer in the opener.

The Redskins probably need to help Heyer on the right side as much as possible -- and Samuels at left tackle at times as well -- which means they'll have to commit a running back or a tight end in protection on many plays.

Zorn rarely used a two-tight-end set last season because Fred Davis looked lost, but Davis made plays in the preseason and, most importantly, was where he needed to be at the right time.

"After last year, I just wanted to work hard and show the coaching staff I'm ready to do this," Davis said. "I feel like I've done that. I'm ready to do what I need to do if I'm out there with Chris [Cooley], and I know what I need to know if they need me to be in there for Chris. I'm ready."

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/11/AR2009091103757_2.html]Washington Redskins Coach Jim Zorn Has Healthy List Of Options for Active Roster - washingtonpost.com[/url]

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Personally, I would love to see a 2 TE set, with CP in the backfield and SM and MK wide as the first play from scrimmage. I can't imagine the different play combos we could run from that. It's gonna be a fun season.

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[quote=Mattyk72;587207]-- TWO TIGHT ENDS: Don't be surprised to see the Redskins line up in a two-tight-end formation Sunday. The Giants' defensive line is the league's best, and the Redskins need to be smart, creative and efficient in trying to protect quarterback Jason Campbell.

"Obviously, with the Giants, you're talking a great defense, a great line," Campbell said. "Those guys do a great job putting pressure on the quarterback and disrupting the timing of your offense.

"Whenever you play any team, you know you have to have your pass pro set. You have to get your pass pro right against any defense, but especially with the Giants."

Led by Pro Bowl defensive ends Justin Tuck and Osi Umenyiora, New York applies immense pressure from the edge, which could make things difficult for tackles Chris Samuels and Stephon Heyer in the opener.

The Redskins probably need to help Heyer on the right side as much as possible -- and Samuels at left tackle at times as well -- which means they'll have to commit a running back or a tight end in protection on many plays.

Zorn rarely used a two-tight-end set last season because Fred Davis looked lost, but Davis made plays in the preseason and, most importantly, was where he needed to be at the right time.

"After last year, I just wanted to work hard and show the coaching staff I'm ready to do this," Davis said. "I feel like I've done that. I'm ready to do what I need to do if I'm out there with Chris [Cooley], and I know what I need to know if they need me to be in there for Chris. I'm ready."

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/11/AR2009091103757_2.html]Washington Redskins Coach Jim Zorn Has Healthy List Of Options for Active Roster - washingtonpost.com[/url][/quote]

lets hope this is true,2nd rounders are hard to come by,especially us.If davis is not used in this game then that doesnt bode well for the rest of the season.I dont even want to think about what other players we could have had with this pick.

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It's the first game if they don't use him this game it's no big loss they use him the next, I do beleive we will see him this game though.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;587162]So are you his real brother?[/quote]

I'm fairly certain it is (based on his contributions to the USC board).

And BFD = Beast for Days.

Trust.

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[quote=freddavisbro86;587186]just asked him about jarmon tossing him like a rag doll in practice he said hell naw i tangled foot with the o lineman thats how that happened[/quote]

I know I'm entertaining the thought of you being F. Davis's actual brother but can you ask if him if he is the 2nd or 3rd string as of this Sunday.

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Two TE sets basically create two 'strong sides' for the running game, and Davis being a mismatch for LBs is obvious. However, he and JC always manage to not be on the same page when the spotlight shines on him and JC, so here's hoping those kinks are worked out.

Nice to have Davis's bro on board here too.

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Even though I dont think he is forgotten, I think we will see a heavy dose of him in this game in two tight end sets.