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can we please begin to start the conversation the either cowher or shannahan will be here by our bye week. also which QB do we build around bradford, snead, tebow, or Mc Coy.

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after one guy huh

not surprising I guess

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[quote=juggernaunt;588073]can we please begin to start the conversation the either cowher or shannahan will be here by our bye week. also which QB do we build around bradford, snead, tebow, or Mc Coy.[/quote]

And then fire the coach and cut the QB after two years because we haven't won a Super Bowl yet?

We played an elite team and got beat. It's just one game.

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We are one game in, it is not the end of the world. Having the spector of Shanahan or anyone else looming over the team isn't going to help the situation.

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i actually dont feel that bad. Bullshit turnovers. I thought Campbell looked pretty decent

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we lost last year to them the first game but ended up 6-2 after eight games chill out

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I hated today as much as anybody, but it's waaay too early for this. Give it at least 4-5 weeks before you can really get a feel for how it's going to shake out.

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Campbell threw for 8.11 YPA and 73% completion.

He also turned the ball over twice.

If you can't win with that kind of QB production, you're never going to win. If Zorn doesn't adopt a more pass-heavy offensive philosophy, it's hard to see them scoring more points then they did today.

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we played a great team in their stadium. also i've never thought we match up particularly well against the Giants. if it comes to it, i like colt mccoy

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i actually dont feel that bad. Bullshit turnovers. I thought Campbell looked pretty decent
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I dont know what game you were watching, Campbell looked like a deer in headlights. Of course his completion percentage went upin the fourth qtr. Did you see the first half stats. That was a joke for a divisional game.

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[quote=cc47;588099]i actually dont feel that bad. Bullshit turnovers. I thought Campbell looked pretty decent
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I dont know what game you were watching, Campbell looked like a deer in headlights. Of course his completion percentage went upin the fourth qtr. Did you see the first half stats. That was a joke for a divisional game.[/quote]His first half stats were 10 YPA and 8/11 passing. Those are actually even better.

You are an idiot.

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Count me out when it comes to Cowher.

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Campbell didnt look that bad, but Zorn's playcalling is pathetic!!!

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[quote=GTripp0012;588096]Campbell threw for 8.11 YPA and 73% completion.

He also turned the ball over twice.

If you can't win with that kind of QB production, you're never going to win. If Zorn doesn't adopt a more pass-heavy offensive philosophy, it's hard to see them scoring more points then they did today.[/quote]

THANK YOU TRIPP!!! Somebody watched the same game as me. If we every learn how to pick up the blitz we would be fine. Where is the "When are going to draft a o-line thread"

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8/11 where?

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I guess I would want Shanahan to fix this pathetic offense and ind a defensive coordinator who will not let our cornerbacks play 10 yards off the ball and more creative blitzes.

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He was 8/11 for 116 yards in the first half.

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He was 11/15 for 95 yards in the second half.

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those stats are not the whole story though. He had some boneheaded fucking plays.

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I don't care if he threw for 400 yds. The mistakes kill him. His issues have never been between to 20's.

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Bottomline guys, the Giants dominated us like usual they are a better team all around, we will win 7-8 games again and the GMEN will win the East again! And yes Zorn and Camp will be gone if we don't make the playoffs!!

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;588116]those stats are not the whole story though. He had some boneheaded fucking plays.[/quote]Well, yeah. He did.

That's not why we lost though.

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[quote=GTripp0012;588096]Campbell threw for 8.11 YPA and 73% completion.

He also turned the ball over twice.

If you can't win with that kind of QB production, you're never going to win. If Zorn doesn't adopt a more pass-heavy offensive philosophy, it's hard to see them scoring more points then they did today.[/quote]

I have to agree with you. It's time to become a more pass heavy offense.

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[quote=GTripp0012;588122]Well, yeah. He did.

That's not why we lost though.[/quote]

One play never ever loses a game. But the turnover that got returned for a TD is on JC. He needed to have two hands on the ball and step up in te pocket. That's on JC and that was the most crucial play of the game. Otherwise he threw the ball very very well and I think the offense will get better as the season goes on.

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[quote=juggernaunt;588073]can we please begin to start the conversation the either cowher or shannahan will be here by our bye week. also which QB do we build around bradford, snead, tebow, or Mc Coy.[/quote]


Just one game dude, we have a long way to go yet. Granted we didn't play all that well today, but you must realize we were playing a very good team on their home turf. The Giants are always tough on us up there. Things will get better as we go along.

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[quote=skinsfan69;588128]One play never ever loses a game. But the turnover that got returned for a TD is on JC. He needed to have two hands on the ball and step up in te pocket. That's on JC and that was the most crucial play of the game. Otherwise he threw the ball very very well and I think the offense will get better as the season goes on.[/quote]I agree. Samuels got beat, but Campbell never gave him a chance.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;588116]those stats are not the whole story though. He had some boneheaded fucking plays.[/quote]

True but besides ARE he really didn't have any help either. Zorn's play calling sucked too run on 1st & 2nd down gain two yards and leave your QB with 3rd & long all game.

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[quote=GTripp0012;588096]Campbell threw for 8.11 YPA and 73% completion.

He also turned the ball over twice.

If you can't win with that kind of QB production, you're never going to win. If Zorn doesn't adopt a more pass-heavy offensive philosophy, it's hard to see them scoring more points then they did today.[/quote]

It's hard to win when the qb throws an interception putting the opposing team in great field position (eventually leading to a td) AND fumbles, which is returned for a td.

That's 14 out of 23 points that Campbell's mistakes directly can be blamed for. There's no excusing that.

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Only negatives of JC this game: held the ball to long and poor pocket presence.
NYG are a Top 5 defense and they called a great defensive game.

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[quote=warriorzpath;588138]It's hard to win when the qb throws an interception putting the opposing team in great field position (eventually leading to a td) AND fumbles, which is returned for a td.[/quote]

The interception was on the other end of the field, they were actually driving when he threw the pick. I really though Tana could have made a better attempt at coming back to the ball, the Giant CB sure did!

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[quote=warriorzpath;588138]It's hard to win when the qb throws an interception putting the opposing team in great field position (eventually leading to a td) AND fumbles, which is returned for a td.

That's 14 out of 23 points that Campbell's mistakes directly can be blamed for. There's no excusing that.[/quote]Um. No. Things don't work like this.

If you want to use expected points, you can only put 3 on Campbell per INT. I mean, hell, they didn't even score off that turnover. You can dock him something for the fumble as well, but remember that he's not necessarily responsible for the recovery or the tackle, especially after the sack.

If Campbell turned the ball over no times, we might have saved 7 points. But a lot of that's just circumstance.

I'm fully aware the defense didn't give up 7 of those 23 points. But they also didn't let the offense on the field for the majority of the first half. That's on them.

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[quote=GTripp0012;588132]I agree. Samuels got beat, but Campbell never gave him a chance.[/quote]
JC did not step up on numerous plays........rookie stuff. We are lucky it wasn't more serious

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[quote=warriorzpath;588138]It's hard to win when the qb throws an interception putting the opposing team in great field position (eventually leading to a td) AND fumbles, which is returned for a td.

That's 14 out of 23 points that Campbell's mistakes directly can be blamed for. There's no excusing that.[/quote]

I put that pick on Moss he has to comeback to the ball or swat the ball down the fumble is 100% JC.

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The O-Line stunk , the billion $$$$ man did nothing special and Landry and Hall stunk in coverage . Next up ,,,, the LAMS ,,,, 1-1-0

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;588085]i actually dont feel that bad. Bullshit turnovers. I thought Campbell looked pretty decent[/quote]
Did you actually see the game?

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[quote=firstdown;588161]Did you actually see the game?[/quote]Did you?

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[quote=GTripp0012;588162]Did you?[/quote]
I did , I did

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[quote=roth74va;588149]The interception was on the other end of the field, they were actually driving when he threw the pick. I really though Tana could have made a better attempt at coming back to the ball, the Giant CB sure did![/quote]
I think Campbell should have taken the yards instead of forcing it to a covered receiver. Just think if he had taken care o the ball we win..I still haven't given up on him, but wow he looked like Stafford (Lions QB) confused.

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[quote=GTripp0012;588152]Um. No. Things don't work like this.

If you want to use expected points, you can only put 3 on Campbell per INT. I mean, hell, they didn't even score off that turnover. You can dock him something for the fumble as well, but remember that he's not necessarily responsible for the recovery or the tackle, especially after the sack.

If Campbell turned the ball over no times, we might have saved 7 points. But a lot of that's just circumstance.

I'm fully aware the defense didn't give up 7 of those 23 points. But they also didn't let the offense on the field for the majority of the first half. That's on them.[/quote]
What it was the O that kept the D on the field most of the game. The 7 points was on JC and the fact he has no clue how to use the pocket. He freaking rols right into 1/2 of his sacks.

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[quote=Eknox;588165]I think Campbell should have taken the yards instead of forcing it to a covered receiver. Just think if he had taken care o the ball we win..I still haven't given up on him, but wow he looked like Stafford (Lions QB) confused.[/quote]He should have run the ball. Especially since he seemed to change his mind in the middle of the run.