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The defense by in large was a disappointment. I saw really nothing from AH but a few plays. I saw him on the ground in the first half faking hurt but was really tired. I am sure I am not the only one that saw this. I think Orakpo needs to go to the D-Line fulltime. Also use Jarmon. Phillip Daniel keeps getting burned on outside run plays because he is too slow (and old).

Deangelo..Deangelo. From the NFL Network interview I would have thought that he would be "somewhat" on his game. When he got burned in that NE preseason game by Moss twice. i am like it is Moss and Brady. But now I am beginning to think that he just sucks. Another thing I always say is why are they playing so far off receivers. I am like if they show the TV screen pre-snap and your not in it (widescreen at that..lol). I think that you are too far off the WRs. Ever heard of bump and run?

Discipline. We made a lot of mental mistakes. Offsides mainly. But the penalties have to stop on defense. Our D played good at times. But over all. I want to see them get to the QB more.

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Didn't see much QB pressure from our DE's.

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Nope -- apart from the blitz by Alexander and Fletcher which cause Eli's fumble, and one other time by Daniels/Golston, Eli had all day to throw. The QB pressure our front four was able to generate was a complete disappointment.

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No real QB pressure even with Fat Albert demanding two o-linemen. Terrible defensive back play...too many soft zones and no adjustments by the coaches. Freshmen WR beat our veteran DBs...so sad.

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[quote=saden1;588302]No real QB pressure even with Fat Albert demanding two o-linemen. Terrible defensive back play...too many soft zones and no adjustments by the coaches. Freshmen WR beat our veteran DBs...so sad.[/quote]
Totally dude!

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[quote=saden1;588302]No real QB pressure even with Fat Albert demanding two o-linemen. Terrible defensive back play...too many soft zones and no adjustments by the coaches. Freshmen WR beat our veteran DBs...so sad.[/quote]

We need to put Jarmon and Orakpo on the d-line. There is no use in bringing AH in to draw double teams if the edge rushers are too old or slow to get to the QB. Hmmm.....

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I really don't like blache.. everybody think he's a good dc.. but he never brings pressure and corners be 10 yards away from the wideouts he has to play bump and bring heat up the middel or we are going to ate up all day.. that's the only reason d hall look so bad.. because he was so far off the wideout.. I just don't like are scheme at all on defense.. if we don't do any changes then we are really in for a long season

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The Giants did not put two lineman on Haynesworth. They blocked him with one most of the night, and if he made a good move, they just held him. I think they got called only once.

You'll have officiating crews that flag the offensive line basically every play, and others who will allow the jersey tugging. You can't count on a consistent pass rush no matter how improved your talent level is. The secondary has to pull its weight.

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The defense did have it's share of difficulties today, espically on third down. I agree with the majority of what you have to say, espically when it comes to individual performances. There are definitely some things they need to improve upon including discipline.

However, I think the biggest hurdle this team has to overcome is it's inability to score points. It's a problem we've had for several years now. All during Joe Gibbs-2 we had the same problem. We can't score points because we can't sustain offense. I said it at least three times today in the game-thread, we just cannot keep drives going, and there are several reasons for it, much of which has to do with penalties and missed assignments. Until we can correct the mistakes, we'll continue to suffer through close games against teams we should not struggle with.

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I wouldn't mind seeing Kareem Moore take some of Landry's snaps at FS.

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Well, it's really obvious that the biggest problem for this team today was the defense. Any discussion of why we lost has to start with the defense not being able to get off the field. Two turnovers is good. Andre Carter and LaRon Landry each made a play. So far, we're creating the big plays.

But it's going to be tough to get off the field all year with Smoot and Hall. We had trouble getting off the field at the end of last year, and that was when we had Shawn Springs in the starting lineup.

No one is going to throw at Carlos Rogers this year, so we might need to get in the market for a cover corner.

I thought Rocky Mac played a really good game today. But when we start 3 guys who can't play man coverage on defense, we might have to go zone. It doesn't seem like we have a choice.

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On the bright side, only one TD against is promising. But even then, the Giants offense didn't do anything to earn that TD. We should have kept them in single digits, to be honest.

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Where was Orakpo?

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[quote=wilsowilso;588341]Where was Orakpo?[/quote]

Playing the wrong position.

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Agian, they only allowed 16 points

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[quote=RMSkins;588332]I wouldn't mind seeing Kareem Moore take some of Landry's snaps at FS.[/quote]


Brandon Jacobs called Landry out after the game. I could not disagree with what he had to say. I'd like to see Landry play under a little more control, and a little better discipline.

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[quote=Longtimefan;588352]Brandon Jacobs called Landry out after the game. I could not disagree with what he had to say. I'd like to see Landry play under a little more control, and a little better discipline.[/quote]

I heard that Blache was going to bench Landry at one point during the game, but he couldn't find him for he had forgotten that he keeps Landry a quarter mile from the line of scrimmage in order to protect our coverage corners who only play a mere 12 yards off the line.

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Like GTripp said the Giants offense didn't early much (single digits), rather we just gave the house away.

- I hope Orakpo actually makes the transition to SLB or we are screwed defensively. He's lost when in space and doesn't have a nose for the ball...as in it's obvious he's used to just chasing the passer.

- Hall was effing unbelievably bad. Not much else to say.

- Rocky and Fletcher are the heart of the defense from what I can tell.

- We still don't get Jack for pressure on the QB. Daniels is worthless as a pass-rusher and increasingly suspect as a run stopper cuz he just doesn't have the quickness now.

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[quote=wilsowilso;588358]I heard that Blache was going to bench Landry at one point during the game, but he couldn't find him for he had forgotten that he keeps Landry a quarter mile from the line of scrimmage in order to protect our coverage corners who only play a mere 12 yards off the line.[/quote]

Lnadry hasn't been the same since he got trucked. Seriously. The year before he was picking off passes and defending passes. I dont know what changed in the scheme. But we need to get him back to the player he was. Because he has't improved yearly.

I agree with you. Everyone stays 20 yards off the receivers. That's why teams can complete 3 and 15+ on us like it is nothing. I hate when we have a team on 3rd down and on the next play a WR or TE is wide open 5 yards pass the first down marker for a frist down. This happens so many times. We looked horrible on runs to the outside. I am goign to tell you what our defense is. We stop people in the redzone and force them to field goals. That's our strongest suit. But we need to get back to some three and outs.

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[quote=GTripp0012;588335]Well, it's really obvious that the biggest problem for this team today was the defense. Any discussion of why we lost has to start with the defense not being able to get off the field. Two turnovers is good. Andre Carter and LaRon Landry each made a play. So far, we're creating the big plays.

But it's going to be tough to get off the field all year with Smoot and Hall. We had trouble getting off the field at the end of last year, and that was when we had Shawn Springs in the starting lineup.

No one is going to throw at Carlos Rogers this year, so we might need to get in the market for a cover corner.

I thought Rocky Mac played a really good game today. But when we start 3 guys who can't play man coverage on defense, we might have to go zone. It doesn't seem like we have a choice.[/quote]

Defense? Wow, you just washed yourself out. They had two turnovers and stuffed them on a 4th down on the goal line. They bent but didn't break. This loss is all on the offense.

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I really think a big issue was our corners trying to push a receiver out of bounds instead of hitting/tackling him. I miss Williams hard ass mentality.

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[quote=saden1;588389]Defense? Wow, you just washed yourself out. They had two turnovers and stuffed them on a 4th down on the goal line. They bent but didn't break. This loss is all on the offense.[/quote]

I honestly think Greg Blache could lose his job at some point during this season. The defense was pretty bad except for the three things that you mentioned.
Our third down play was horrendous just like last year.

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[quote=saden1;588389]Defense? Wow, you just washed yourself out. They had two turnovers and stuffed them on a 4th down on the goal line. They bent but didn't break. This loss is all on the offense.[/quote]Well, they bent. And they bent. Then they broke. And they bent again. And again. And then, well, the game ended.

The defense played a good third quarter when they held the Giants completely scoreless, but three bad quarters a good unit does not make.

The defense was obviously the big problem. I mean, c'mon, lets not kid ourselves.

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GTripp, you always rip the defense, and in this particular game, I agree to a point. However, the offense is predictable and never puts up even an NFL average as far as points go, at some point we need to help our defense by not going 3 and out.

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Was that the .......West Coast Defense???

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[quote=Hog1;588410]Was that the .......West Coast Defense???[/quote]

:laughing2

Hopefully they leave this defense in the back of the playbook from now on.

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[quote=GTripp0012;588404]Well, they bent. And they bent. Then they broke. And they bent again. And again. And then, well, the game ended.

The defense played a good third quarter when they held the Giants completely scoreless, but three bad quarters a good unit does not make.

[B]The defense was obviously the big problem[/B]. I mean, c'mon, lets not kid ourselves.[/quote]

Really? Cause here I was thinking the offense fumbled the ball which was returned for a TD, threw an INT, and allowed 3 sacks. They couldn't even move the ball to give the defense a breather.

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Lets see, we have "Offense=Disappointment," and "Defense=Disappointment."


Where's the "Special Teams=Disappointment," and "HC=Disappointment."?

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[quote=Daseal;588409]GTripp, you always rip the defense, and in this particular game, I agree to a point. However, the offense is predictable and never puts up even an NFL average as far as points go, at some point we need to help our defense by not going 3 and out.[/quote]I'm not very tolerable of bad defenses especially when you spend as much money and draft picks as we spent on this one.

This thread is called 'Defense = Disappointment' though, so my defensive thoughts are going here. And you can't argue with the fact that our defense didn't play well enough to win today. The offense might have been just as disappointing, but it was a lot better today.

Again, we'll discuss that in another thread.

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We will be bringing in a veteran corner at some time this year...and probably derrick brooks too and move orakpo to phillip daniels DE spot. I just know this, because we will keep getting beat by average WR's with Sh*tty CB's. Our defense however was NOT the reason we lost this game. It was without question JC.

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Landry, he sure loves to fly around... Only if he could tackle.... Our safeties are suited for strong safeties, all of them love to hit and play close the line.. We need a safety who can roam all over the field with toughness and coverage presence shown.. But once, again this is just only 1st game :argue: So I'm hoping Blache will get Landry to control himself and get smarter..

Our D-line men were mediocre today.. Barely no QB pressures.. Although I think they did better with the running, than last year.. Haynesworth, he did good in the game, beside the almost no QB pressures.. I sure hope Zorn will do something about whole defense scheme thing if our D-line continues to play like this.. We have Haynesworth who could commanding 3 O-line men.. We have Carter who definitely can put pressures on QB.. Along with Griffin, Jarmon and Orakpo.. Blache underutilized the linemen in this game..

Rocky has caught my attention in the game, he played a good game.. He looks more athletic.. Fletcher, he keeps showing us why he's still the heart of the D.. Rogers has shown some signs that he can be shut down corner, but unfortunately Blache keeps giving this a huge comfy zone between CB and WR :madani:

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[quote=saden1;588413]Really? Cause here I was thinking the offense fumbled the ball which was returned for a TD, threw an INT, and allowed 3 sacks. They couldn't even move the ball to give the defense a breather.[/quote]Yeah. We should just play the games over 4 days from now on. Then, when the Giants have like 14, 15 play drives (NFL average = 6), the defense can rest without actually having to get themselves off the field.

Good idea.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;588422]We will be bringing in a veteran corner at some time this year...and probably derrick brooks too and move orakpo to phillip daniels DE spot. I just know this, because we will keep getting beat by average WR's with Sh*tty CB's. [B]Our defense however was NOT the reason we lost this game. It was without question JC.[/B][/quote]

Huh?

JC had two bad plays: the fumble and the interception. I won't argue with those.

Otherwise he completed more than 70% of his passes for a ypa greater than 7. He moved well, found the open guy, and delivered accurate strikes. And he did it all with an invisible running game.

I don't see how someone can say that JC lost the game.

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We had ~300 yards of total offense. They had over 350. Maybe, in the alternate dimension you live in where the defense is never responsible for losses, and always responsible for wins, that can be debateable, but here, it's probably made the difference in a 7 point game.

Not to excuse two turnovers, but despite what last year might have led us to believe, those things actually occur in football games.

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[quote=Lotus;588429]Huh?

JC had two bad plays: the fumble and the interception. I won't argue with those.

Otherwise he completed more than 70% of his passes for a ypa greater than 7. He moved well, found the open guy, and delivered accurate strikes. And he did it all with an invisible running game.

I don't see how someone can say that JC lost the game.[/quote]

O, Gee, what happend again when jason fumbled. Oh yeah thats right, Osi ran it for a touchdown. Let's say that doesn't happen, then the score would be 17-16 Redskins. Campbell runs, throws the football 4 yards past the line of scrimmage...FOR A INT. Let's say that doesn't happen, then we could of had mabe a field goal, or would have pinned them deep in their end of the field. Score could have been 20-16 Us had neither of those of happend, or one of those it could have been 17-16. Jason played way tooo stupid today. Quit backing him up, we get it you like him, but he played awful today. Should have run it on some QB draws more..Next week he better rebound..

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For me I felt like the defense didn't get off the field on third downs enough. That and shoddy tackling along with poor pass rushing led to the Giants moving the ball comfortably down the field all day. Those are the things we need to work on if we plan on being a great defense again. Also where was that Haynesworth-Orakpo duo? Orakpo didn't show up and Haynesworth had his solo moments. I thought that pass rushing combo (along with Carter being freed up on the other side) was supposed to be great?

As for the Campbell fumble that Osi returned for a touchdown, well it all could've been avoided if Campbell just stepped up in the pocked sooner. Samuels didn't do that bad of a job on Osi it's just Campbell didn't step up and Osi extended those long arms and got a hand on the ball. The pass protection on that play wasn't bad Campbell just needs to step up in the pocket sooner.

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Our offense has looked like a high school teams for the better part of the last 10 years . I thought that the Defense was a huge dissapointment today , I felt NY could have scored all day if they wanted , remember , they have ZERO veterans at WR/TE with any real experience . Luckily for us , LAMS are next ..... we better win 27-10 .

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Who was playing SAM when Orakpo was playing DE

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[quote=T.O.Killa;588513]Who was playing SAM when Orakpo was playing DE[/quote]

I think reid doughty would be the extra defender we'd bring in and philip daniels would come off the field and orakpo would go to DE

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[quote=CultBrennan59;588516]I think reid doughty would be the extra defender we'd bring in and philip daniels would come off the field and orakpo would go to DE[/quote]
I saw Reed alot, but I was hoping to see Chris Wilson rushing the passer alot from the SAM when Orakpo was down.