Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

From the DC Sports Blog:

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/09/skins_say_they_should_be_blowi.html?wprss=dcsportsbog]D.C. Sports Bog - Skins Say They Should Be Blowing People Out[/url]

Cooley:
[QUOTE]I can't really say I want to do this or I want to do this; I just do what I'm supposed to do...What I can tell you is that [I]if everyone on our offense did the job that they were supposed to do every time[/I]--not making an exceptional play every time, just the job that you're supposed to do--we would blow everyone out. [/QUOTE]

Portis:
[QUOTE] "You go into one game and it doesn't work, that doesn't mean our offense is some trash....We all made bad plays. That's what we've got to take from that. We made bad plays and we get to the end of the game and we lose by six points. [I]You take that one fumble and touchdown away, we win the game by one[/I]....It came down to one play and they made it."
[/QUOTE]

It seems to me that Portis and Cooley feel that atleast one member of our offense wasn't doing what they were supposed to do at times. Obviously, Portis' comment (accurately) alludes to the fact that Campbell cost the team 7 points by not doing what he was supposed to do. And while its plainly apparent that Campbell had a horrible game and made numerous mental errors and bad throws, I've only watched the game once. Upon further review, it could be apparent that others on the team weren't giving their all on every play. I know last year Santana had some issues with giving up on plays - did anyone notice this in the opener? What about other players? Whoever Portis and Cooley are calling out, they know who they are, and hopefully it'll fire them up to have a great game against the Rams.

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

I actually find it encouraging. It sounds like they know what the problem is and once it's corrected our offense should kick into high gear and score a lot of points.

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

I took it as them talking in general, and not pointing fingers at anyone specifically.

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;590004]From the DC Sports Blog:

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/09/skins_say_they_should_be_blowi.html?wprss=dcsportsbog"]D.C. Sports Bog - Skins Say They Should Be Blowing People Out[/URL]

Cooley:


Portis:


It seems to me that Portis and Cooley feel that atleast one member of our offense wasn't doing what they were supposed to do at times. Obviously, Portis' comment (accurately) alludes to the fact that Campbell cost the team 7 points by not doing what he was supposed to do. And while its plainly apparent that Campbell had a horrible game and made numerous mental errors and bad throws, I've only watched the game once. Upon further review, it could be apparent that others on the team weren't giving their all on every play. I know last year Santana had some issues with giving up on plays - did anyone notice this in the opener? What about other players? Whoever Portis and Cooley are calling out, they know who they are, and hopefully it'll fire them up to have a great game against the Rams.[/quote]


I read Portis's comment differently; he was just saying that the fumble was the difference in the game, not that it was Campbell's fault.

Cooley seems to be suggesting that other players are not doing what they should be. Is this okay? Well, it depends. Sometimes a comment like that can fire up other players, sometimes it can piss them off. It really comes down to how respected the individual is who said it, and in this case we know this shouldn't be a problem as Cooley is a respected player on the team. Nevertheless, I'd rather he make the comment behind closed doors, which he very well may have.

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

I couldn't agree more with the statement that "they could blow anyone out". They just need to start using all 7 receivers (5 WR, 2 TE) and if they do their job there's just no stopping. I would love to see that.

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

Move it along....nothing to see here.

I just don't understand. Portis uses the word WE at least 10 times in that quote. In the paragraph above the one you qouted, the author makes a point to say that Portis was given ample opportunity to call out someone and didn't do it. So how do you go from that to Portis and Cooley call out someone?

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

Cooley's comments seem to speak of confidence in the playcalling, and ability of the team in a general fan like environment. The key is, and we have yet to see it, making it manifest itself in a game day environment. I am hopeful that these next few weeks we demonstrate what Cooley is speaking of.

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;590011]I took it as them talking in general, and not pointing fingers at anyone specifically.[/quote]

So did I.

I assumed that Cooley was simply trying to say that the design of the offense is fine and it should work well as long as it is well-executed by all of the players. That doesn't necessarily mean that any player is constantly making mistakes. Anyone can make a mistake or miss an assignment on any play.

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;590018]So did I.

I assumed that Cooley was simply trying to say that the design of the offense is fine and it should work well as long as it is well-executed by all of the players. That doesn't necessarily mean that any player is constantly making mistakes. Anyone can make a mistake or miss an assignment on any play.[/quote]

so, in your opinion, does this go back to a WCO 2-3 year learning curve? Is it the concept that the mistakes will correct themselves with more practice, or, the concept that mistakes happen just because mistakes happen, and we have to deal with that fact, period? Or is it back to a mental aspect, like with DT, and that throughout the game some players are not able to focus throughout and that is what is limiting this offense?

Really just curious about your opinion.

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

I think Cooley may be saying in a subtle way that someone is not doing their job, but his comments are very vague - so it's not clear if he is.

One thing that I get from the both of them is - Zorn had a talk with the offense about focusing on their own individual play and assignments.

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;590018]So did I.

I assumed that Cooley was simply trying to say that the design of the offense is fine and it should work well as long as it is well-executed by all of the players. That doesn't necessarily mean that any player is constantly making mistakes. Anyone can make a mistake or miss an assignment on any play.[/quote]

Yeah I took it as, everyone just needs to do their job and stop worrying about winning the game on every play, and things will take care of themselves. I think Cooley may have been hinting that guys are pressing and need to relax.

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

They have the team to blow people up. Other teams have done so with less. If no one else will say it I will, Santana Moss gives up on plays. He doesn't do his job. Bench his ass and put in Malcolm Kelly or Marko Mitchell. They're eager and hungry to prove they can do it. Let Moss get out of the dog house by running back punts and kicks.

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

I think those were excellent comments. I liked the inherent offensive swag. Neither Portis nor Cooley were whining and moaning. They simply were reflecting the famous comment by John McKay - they're all for the execution of the offense as it is.

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

[quote=Coff;590014]I read Portis's comment differently; he was just saying that the fumble was the difference in the game, not that it was Campbell's fault.

Cooley seems to be suggesting that other players are not doing what they should be. Is this okay? Well, it depends. Sometimes a comment like that can fire up other players, sometimes it can piss them off. It really comes down to how respected the individual is who said it, and in this case we know this shouldn't be a problem as Cooley is a respected player on the team. Nevertheless, I'd rather he make the comment behind closed doors, which he very well may have.[/quote]

Well, the fumble/TD was obviously campbells fault. I understand how the comments could be taken generally - Portis did say that they all made some mistakes. However, given the fact that Campbell played horribly and Moss is known to take plays off at times, kind of makes me think there are some specific players who are being called out. If thats the case, Kudos for Portis for actually displaying some tact and not publically throwing the guy(s) under the bus.

If its just an issue of guys taking plays off, this problem is easily correctable - the guys need to stop taking plays off. I'm personally hoping Campbell just had a bad game for whatever reason. He certainly looked better during the 1st 8 games last year than he did in this game - when his protection was better than its ever been in Washington. We have seen him play better before, so we know he can do it

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

[quote=warriorzpath;590022]I think Cooley may be saying in a subtle way that someone is not doing their job, but his comments are very vague - so it's not clear if he is.

One thing that I get from the both of them is - Zorn had a talk with the offense about focusing on their own individual play and assignments.[/quote]

Its obvious that Cooley and Portis took Zorns words to heart - here's to hoping that the player(s) who were the primary culprits did as well.

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

[quote=gibbsisgod;590016]Move it along....nothing to see here.

I just don't understand. Portis uses the word WE at least 10 times in that quote. In the paragraph above the one you qouted, the author makes a point to say that Portis was given ample opportunity to call out someone and didn't do it. So how do you go from that to Portis and Cooley call out someone?[/quote]

Great post

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

[quote]I couldn't agree more with the statement that "they could blow anyone out". They just need to start using all 7 receivers (5 WR, 2 TE) and if they do their job there's just no stopping. I would love to see that.[/quote]

I'd hope we blow them out if we're starting 13 on offense.

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

[quote=Daseal;590060]I'd hope we blow them out if we're starting 13 on offense.[/quote]

I didn't say start them all at the same time. Use them in rotation around the game.

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

Sounded like normal locker room chatter about what they could do, should do, can do, or refuse to get done. Speaking of blowing people out, they have to first demonstrate they can score twenty one points a game, and even then, that score would hardly be on the way to blowing anybody out.

Further, they're going to continue to hear the fans voice their negative aproval until they can demonstrate (on a consistent basis) they can go out and do all these things they say they SHOULD be doing. Talking is cheap and easy, the fans want to see results, and until they do the criticizm will continue. They say we don't know, and we don't understand......well some of us may not understand this "rocket science" they call football, but we do know and understand what we see, and all too often what we see is not pretty and leaves a lot to be desired. THEY say they're going to be better. We're waiting.

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

blah blah blah.... both of their comments makes no sense. Cooley needs to realize that although we may be talented on paper we don't play smart football. So that makes you an average team. And CP needs to STFU with his calling out teammates. Let's say the fumble never happened. Does anyone actually think NY would've been playing the type of defense they were on that last drive? No. They would've stopped us cause our offense isn't good enough to score when it really matters.

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;590095]blah blah blah.... both of their comments makes no sense. Cooley needs to realize that although we may be talented on paper we don't play smart football. So that makes you an average team. And CP needs to STFU with his calling out teammates. Let's say the fumble never happened. Does anyone actually think NY would've been playing the type of defense they were on that last drive? No. They would've stopped us cause our offense isn't good enough to score when it really matters.[/quote]

speaking of blah blah blah...

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;590011]I took it as them talking in general, and not pointing fingers at anyone specifically.[/quote]

That is my take...basically if everyone collectively executed their assignments perfectly on every play they would blow everyone out...

By the way, every team in the National Football League could say the same thing.

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

[quote=Trample the Elderly;590041]They have the team to blow people up. Other teams have done so with less. If no one else will say it I will, Santana Moss gives up on plays. He doesn't do his job. Bench his ass and put in Malcolm Kelly or Marko Mitchell. They're eager and hungry to prove they can do it. Let Moss get out of the dog house by running back punts and kicks.[/quote]

You're really adamant about this benching Moss thing. I don't think there's really anyone else we have that would make a good #1. I mean you could bump Malcolm Kelly up to #1, make Thomas #2 and keep ARE in the slot, making Mitchell the #4..

But that seems all sorts of messy. And how long would you wanna bench Moss for? I bet if we did that to him, especially for more than a week, he'd probably want out.

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

[quote=Trample the Elderly;590041]They have the team to blow people up. Other teams have done so with less. If no one else will say it I will, Santana Moss gives up on plays. He doesn't do his job. Bench his ass and put in Malcolm Kelly or Marko Mitchell. They're eager and hungry to prove they can do it. Let Moss get out of the dog house by running back punts and kicks.[/quote]

I agree totally, no one has called Santana out, and he often gives up on routes, and plays...He did that on the Capmbell pick and he did it last yr in a game.....Zorn needs to have the guts to bench him (I'd trade him for picks in 2010)

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

I for one am glad to hear folks getting snippy. Time to step up. Zorn has been more vocal and so have the team leaders. Make a friggin play! If your job is to block the backside on a quick slant in the redzone, make a block. If your job is to stop a rookie WR from waltzing down the sideline to the endzone, make a friggin tackle.

I'd be more worried if they weren't snippy at this point. They watch the film and see what we do--they are better than what we saw on Sunday, IMHO.

But, of course, talk is cheap. Winning cures all. GO OUT THERE AND WIN SOME GAMES!!!!!!

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

[quote=JWsleep;590115]I for one am glad to hear folks getting snippy. Time to step up. Zorn has been more vocal and so have the team leaders. Make a friggin play! If your job is to block the backside on a quick slant in the redzone, make a block. If your job is to stop a rookie WR from waltzing down the sideline to the endzone, make a friggin tackle.

I'd be more worried if they weren't snippy at this point. They watch the film and see what we do--they are better than what we saw on Sunday, IMHO.

[B]But, of course, talk is cheap. Winning cures all. GO OUT THERE AND WIN SOME GAMES!!!!!![/B][/quote]

Damn Strait! Don't tell me, show me!

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

I'm not saying Cambell played a great game but Cooley single-handedly lost the wildcard game against the Seahawks. Tell me whats worse, a rusty first game against a divisional rival on the road or missing an easy first down catch that stalled a great fourth quarter comeback?
I remember Cooley made the pro bowl that year and it looked like he had a black eye. I wonder which teamate decked him for missing that catch?

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;590108]You're really adamant about this benching Moss thing. I don't think there's really anyone else we have that would make a good #1. I mean you could bump Malcolm Kelly up to #1, make Thomas #2 and keep ARE in the slot, making Mitchell the #4..

But that seems all sorts of messy. And how long would you wanna bench Moss for? I bet if we did that to him, especially for more than a week, [B]he'd probably want out[/B].[/quote]

That would confirm to me the quality of his character. I think Malcolm Kelly can do it. ARE is filling in nicely in the slot. From what I see that's where he should've been all along. Mitchell or Thomas are good enough for the other WR position.

Moss needs to man up. Off the field he seems like a cool cat. On the field is a different story. He makes good plays every once in awhile. I'll give him that. He's a great player. He doesn't always live up to his talent because of his mental weakness. I'd rather have a player who doesn't have his talent, a player who is reliable and doesn't hurt his team.

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

I think Cooley's comments seemed to be directed at the whole offense. It sounded as though he was trying to say that on every play or every other play someone (a different individual each time) is not doing their assignment. In other words on each play a different player has screwed up somehow and with that you have no consistancy. At least it seemed that way to me Sun. also. That's partially why I'm still miffed about the fact the Giants beat us when I seriously think we are the batter team.

Heyer screwed up once allowing one sack

someone else screwed up and allowed a sack

I saw the right Guard totally let one defensive lineman run right past him, he kinda side stepped him to block a LB or someone else.

No one was opening holes in the D-line for Portis to run through

Campbell could have stepped up in the pocket on the fumble

Moss could have come back for the ball, instead he leveled off his route and seemed to just jog to the sideline allowing the defender to intercept the ball.

Hall missed a few tackles

Smoot missed a few tackles

Landry wanted to take someones head off but either kept whiffing on the play or he redirected them. He failed to stop them. Piss poor tackling.

Boss seemed to have a good day cause Fletcher either could not keep up or was 5yrds behind every catch.

so on and so forth.

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

[quote=Longtimefan;590083]Sounded like normal locker room chatter about what they could do, should do, can do, or refuse to get done. Speaking of blowing people out, they have to first demonstrate they can score twenty one points a game, and even then, that score would hardly be on the way to blowing anybody out.

Further, they're going to continue to hear the fans voice their negative aproval until they can demonstrate (on a consistent basis) they can go out and do all these things they say they SHOULD be doing. Talking is cheap and easy, the fans want to see results, and until they do the criticizm will continue. They say we don't know, and we don't understand......well some of us may not understand this "rocket science" they call football, but we do know and understand what we see, and all too often what we see is not pretty and leaves a lot to be desired. THEY say they're going to be better. We're waiting.[/quote]

Ya know your 100% correct. I'm almost missing Norv Turner at this point. He atleast got us to the play offs frequently. It's a crying shame when I'm starting to think that way.

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

[quote=SBXVII;590134]Ya know your 100% correct. I'm almost missing Norv Turner at this point. He atleast got us to the play offs frequently. It's a crying shame when I'm starting to think that way.[/quote]

You and I must have different definitions of "frequently"

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

[quote=ChickenMonkey;590111]I agree totally, no one has called Santana out, and he often gives up on routes, and plays...He did that on the Capmbell pick and he did it last yr in a game.....Zorn needs to have the guts to bench him (I'd trade him for picks in 2010)[/quote]


So twice that you can think of.....

:Flush:

And now count the times he's pulled off a great catch and run?

How did you feel after the Brunell to Moss 4th Quarter comeback in 2005 or were you a Patriots fan back then?

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

[quote=RedskinRat;590137]So twice that you can think of.....

:Flush:

And now count the times he's pulled off a great catch and run?

How did you feel after the Brunell to Moss 4th Quarter comeback in 2005 or were you a Patriots fan back then?[/quote]

Your love for Motorhead is well founded. Your love for Moss isn't.

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;590045]Well, the fumble/TD was obviously campbells fault. I understand how the comments could be taken generally - Portis did say that they all made some mistakes. However, given the fact that [B]Campbell played horribl[/B]y and Moss is known to take plays off at times, kind of makes me think there are some specific players who are being called out. If thats the case, Kudos for Portis for actually displaying some tact and not publically throwing the guy(s) under the bus.

If its just an issue of guys taking plays off, this problem is easily correctable - the guys need to stop taking plays off. I'm personally hoping Campbell just had a bad game for whatever reason. He certainly looked better during the 1st 8 games last year than he did in this game - when his protection was better than its ever been in Washington. We have seen him play better before, so we know he can do it[/quote]


What game was you watching he wasn't fantastic but horribly in my opinion is to strong of a word. I also don't think they were calling anyone person out i think they were talking about the team. You must be a JC hater.

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

[quote=ChickenMonkey;590111]I agree totally, no one has called Santana out, and he often gives up on routes, and plays...He did that on the Capmbell pick and he did it last yr in a game.....Zorn needs to have the guts to bench him (I'd trade him for picks in 2010)[/quote]

On the pick last week how could you tell he gave up on the play as JC was 3 yards down field before he threw the ball. Do you attend alott of games?

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

[quote=Trample the Elderly;590129]That would confirm to me the quality of his character. I think Malcolm Kelly can do it. ARE is filling in nicely in the slot. From what I see that's where he should've been all along. Mitchell or Thomas are good enough for the other WR position.

Moss needs to man up. Off the field he seems like a cool cat. On the field is a different story. He makes good plays every once in awhile. I'll give him that. He's a great player. He doesn't always live up to his talent because of his mental weakness. I'd rather have a player who doesn't have his talent, a player who is reliable and doesn't hurt his team.[/quote]

Come on Kelly has what 5 catches in the NFL and that show you keyy is ready to be a #1 WR.

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

[quote=firstdown;590146]Come on Kelly has what 5 catches in the NFL and that show you keyy is ready to be a #1 WR.[/quote]

I'm not questioning Moss's ability, just his attitude. Someone has to step up. What if he goes down? Who takes his position?

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

[quote=ChickenMonkey;590111]I agree totally, no one has called Santana out, and he often gives up on routes, and plays...He did that on the Capmbell pick and he did it last yr in a game.....Zorn needs to have the guts to bench him (I'd trade him for picks in 2010)[/quote]

Moss is the only receiver on this team that commands double teams...you bench him then Campbell would surely face more pressure as teams can just single cover the other WRs. The Giants double teamed him all day. Does he give up on routes--possibly. The bigger issue is that other than ARE and Cooley a bit...Kelly and Thomas could not get open on the Giants #3/#4/#5 corners (Ross and Dockery were hurt). So until these other receivers can beat single coverage let's not even get silly and talk about benching our only starting caliber receiver...

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

In just one game, Cooley has already matched his TD total of all of 2008. Just one game!...so he can call out whoever he damn well pleases :)

Re: Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?
 

[quote=ChickenMonkey;590111]I agree totally, no one has called Santana out, and he often gives up on routes, and plays...[B]He did that on the Capmbell pick[/B] and he did it last yr in a game.....Zorn needs to have the guts to bench him (I'd trade him for picks in 2010)[/quote]

On the pick, both he and the corner were trying to toe tap the line as the ball was actually caught outside the plane of the playing field. The corner had the inside edge on a ball thrown slightly behind Moss as Moss was fighting the momentum carrying him out of bounds. On top of that, the QB was well past the yard marker.

Hard to accuse Moss of giving up on a route that had carried all but his toes out of bounds, thrown slightly behind him, and on which the QB had already gone beyond the line of scrimmage (how can you give up on a pass route when the play can no longer legally be considered a pass??). The pick was all Jason.

Sometimes you guys hate just to hate. I mean jeeez.