Is Blache losing touch with reality?
 

I think most here would agree Blache gets offended rather easily. But this guy needs to wake up if he truly believes Haynesworth will not make other players on the Defense more available (which equals better on the stat sheets) to make plays which usually makes the overall Defense better, when you consistently require at least a double team well....we all know what should happen here.

IMO this will be Blache last season here (And for the record most of the coaching staff) in DC, and hopefully end on a high note.

What are your thoughts on Blache, his future here, and how this aging Deffense will rank overall this 2009 season.

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/blaches-surprising-take-on-hay.html#more"]Redskins Insider - Blache's Surprising Take on Haynesworth[/URL]

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I think Blache is just trying to show some respect to the other 10 guys on the D. He's always said he likes team players and this might be him actually helping Hays with all this media attention, focusing on Hays as the "savior".

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Blache is just trying to keep the spotlight off of Haynesworth. Is Haynesworth good? sure, Has he shown himself to be a HOF player consistently? not even close. Blache managed to have a #4 defense last year w/o Haynesworth so maybe you should give him the benefit of the doubt of not "losing touch with reality".

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Wait and see...you know, let them develop chemistry and play as a unit.

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at this point i do not like greg blache lack of aggression, and the infamous cusions that allows our secondary to give up too many crucial first down plays.

i say he eithers shapes up or ships out, may have been a top 4 defense last year but i put that on the players, i do NOT think he uses Landry correctly.... i still do NOT agree with Orakpo at LB the majority of the time .....

i just ..... really think it's time we look elsewhere if he doesnt correct these subtle, yet big flaws in his defensive philosiphy.... IMO ...

... i just dont like the guy anymore.

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You're assuming Blache was in touch with reality in the first place :D

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I think Blache's comments have more to do w/ reigning in expectations. If he says "yes Albert makes everyone around him better" it just means Blache answers more tough questions from now on about why the defense isn't elite. Ultimately it puts his own coaching ability in question...

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[quote=The Goat;591249]I think Blache's comments have more to do w/ reigning in expectations. If he says "yes Albert makes everyone around him better" it just means Blache answers more tough questions from now on about why the defense isn't elite. Ultimately it puts his own coaching ability in question...[/quote]


I agree....And neither can I understand why the issue continues to be raised, espically since we've only played one game. One does not need to be a genius to know when you have a player of Haynesworth's caliber, his play creates opportunities for others. Blache get's weary of those same type questions all the time.........can you blame him.

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Maybe he doesn't want anything taken away from Fletch's performance. If Fletch doesn't make the probowl this year it will probably be because AH will get the credit for him having a good year. At least I hope that's the reason. I hope Blache doesn't really believe AH doesn't affect the players around him.

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A lot of people are expecting miracles from the defense because we've added big Al. I agree with the poster who is of the opinion Blache is trying the best he can to temper that feeling because Haynesworth still has to play within the confines of the defense.

Because our offense has had trouble trouble scoring points the last few years, that fact has much to do with the way we play defense. We can't gamble a lot on defense and get behind because we don't have the offense to bring us back. If/when the offense picks it up and scores more points, the defense can then play a little more aggressive.

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^ i dont agree with that .... the way we play defense and the lack of agression should NOT hinge on our offenses production....

our offense would get the ball more if our D was more aggressive, and we could create defensive points ..... and in turn we could say screw the offense like the ravens team that won the bowl... who had an offense like ours even a little worse...

they didnt play this lack-luster cusion having soft ass bend dont break BS that we play..... and i'll be damned if we dont have the talent to be a great defense that could carry our team to a winning record...

screw blache and his philosophy, its bullshit.

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[quote=Longtimefan;591255]A lot of people are expecting miracles from the defense because we've added big Al. I agree with the poster who is of the opinion Blache is trying the best he can to temper that feeling because Haynesworth still has to play within the confines of the defense.

Because our offense has had trouble trouble scoring points the last few years, that fact has much to do with the way we play defense. We can't gamble a lot on defense and get behind because we don't have the offense to bring us back. If/when the offense picks it up and scores more points, the defense can then play a little more aggressive.[/quote]

great point, never thought of it that way

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[quote=Meks;591257]^ i dont agree with that .... the way we play defense and the lack of agression should NOT hinge on our offenses production....
[B]
our offense would get the ball more if our D was more aggressive, and we could create defensive points ..... and in turn we could say screw the offense like the ravens team that won the bowl... who had an offense like ours even a little worse...[/B]

they didnt play this lack-luster cusion having soft ass bend dont break BS that we play..... and i'll be damned if we dont have the talent to be a great defense that could carry our team to a winning record...

screw blache and his philosophy, its bullshit.[/quote]I bolded that paragraph because if we went for broke on defense, we might sink or we might improve, but either way, the offense would get more chances than it currently is getting. Then you could judge them on their own merits.

I recommend patience with the defense, but with all the resources we've invested in the defense, yeah they've got to do better than they did on last Sunday.

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[quote=Longtimefan;591255]Because our offense has had trouble trouble scoring points the last few years, that fact has much to do with the way we play defense. We can't gamble a lot on defense and get behind because we don't have the offense to bring us back. If/when the offense picks it up and scores more points, the defense can then play a little more aggressive.[/quote]How would you know? When was the last time we gambled and lost? 2003?

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I can't wait untilwe get rid of him. We need an up and comer defensive coordinator who will be very aggressiv. I would love for someone from the staffs of the Eagles, Giants or Steelers. We have too much talent to be a bend but don't break defense. And while I'm at it I would love for a real offensive coordinator instead of Sherman Smith who will call plays for Zorn.

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[quote=Longtimefan;591255]A lot of people are expecting miracles from the defense because we've added big Al. I agree with the poster who is of the opinion Blache is trying the best he can to temper that feeling because Haynesworth still has to play within the confines of the defense.

Because our offense has had trouble trouble scoring points the last few years, that fact has much to do with the way we play defense. We can't gamble a lot on defense and get behind because we don't have the offense to bring us back. If/when the offense picks it up and scores more points, the defense can then play a little more aggressive.[/quote]

Excellent point.

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I just read and interesting article on Blache from 2005. The article questions whether he is a good fit here. His last year as DC with the Bears his defense had a total of 18 sacks for the year. It seems he's always used big DT's to primarily keep blockers off the LB's and had underachieving DE's. He has never put much stock in sacks. I'm starting to wonder if we'll ever see the kind of defense that the FO is seeking as long as he is DC. We acquire pass rushers and that doesn't appear to be what he wants going by his past and present philosophy.

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[quote=53Fan;591273]I just read and interesting article on Blache from 2005. The article questions whether he is a good fit here. His last year as DC with the Bears his defense had a total of 18 sacks for the year. It seems he's always used big DT's to primarily keep blockers off the LB's and had underachieving DE's. He has never put much stock in sacks. I'm starting to wonder if we'll ever see the kind of defense that the FO is seeking as long as he is DC. We acquire pass rushers and that doesn't appear to be what he wants going by his past and present philosophy.[/quote]

You are right my friend, he really hasn't had any DE to speak off. I really would have liked to see Jerry Gray or Olivadotti as DC. Maybe next year.

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He's tired of all the pressure thats put on the defense due to the lack of productivity from the offense. If the offense could produce more then he might seem so edgey around the media and such.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;591275]You are right my friend, he really hasn't had any DE to speak off. I really would have liked to see Jerry Gray or Olivadotti as DC. Maybe next year.[/quote]

Jerry Gray sure as hell would deserve the promotion...however at this point like another poster said it would be very tempting to grab a coach from NY, Philly, Pitt or Baltimore...let's face it all those have far better defenses.

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[quote=53Fan;591273]I just read and interesting article on Blache from 2005. The article questions whether he is a good fit here. His last year as DC with the Bears his defense had a total of 18 sacks for the year. It seems he's always used big DT's to primarily keep blockers off the LB's and had underachieving DE's. He has never put much stock in sacks. I'm starting to wonder if we'll ever see the kind of defense that the FO is seeking as long as he is DC. We acquire pass rushers and that doesn't appear to be what he wants going by his past and present philosophy.[/quote]

Does the article state what happened to the Bears in 2006?

In the meantime I think you guys have the wrong idea when it comes to Blaches style of defense.

[quote]During his tenure, Blache's defenses forced 138 turnovers, including 37 in 2001, the most by a Bears defense since 1990, and accounted for 13 touchdowns (two in 1999, four in 2000, five in 2001, one in 2002, and one in 2003).

In 2002, Blache dealt with numerous injuries, leading to 11 different starting line-ups over the course of 16 games. While juggling personnel, the Bears defense continued with their attacking, aggressive style that set records during the 2001 season.

They forced 64 tackles behind the line of scrimmage and reached a league plateau by forcing at least one turnover in 33 consecutive games, the second longest active streak in the NFL at the time.

In 2001, Blache molded the Bears defense into one of the top units in the league, producing the top-ranked scoring defense by allowing only 203 points in 16 games (12.7 points per game). His run defense finished second in the NFL and first in the NFC, allowing just 82.1 yards per game, while allowing only three rushes of 20 yards or more all seasons and only six rushing touchdowns.

Prior to joining the Bears, Blache served as defensive line coach for the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indianapolis_Colts"]Indianapolis Colts[/URL] for five seasons (1994-98) and held the same position with the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Bay_Packers"]Green Bay Packers[/URL] for six years (1988-93).

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[quote=Dirtbag359;591293][B]Does the article state what happened to the Bears in 2006?[/B]

In the meantime I think you guys have the wrong idea when it comes to Blaches style of defense.[/quote]

The Bears defense had a great year in 2006 but Blache wasn't there. Blache got here in 2004. The 2001 season was a great year for Blache in Chicago, the other 4 years were mediocre at best. The Bears defense got substantially better rankings after Blache left.

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I sometimes think fans here are trying too hard to find reasons not to like Blache. He's old-school, he's abrasive, he rubs people the wrong way. But he's a good, well-respected coach and I think we're reading too much into what he's saying here.

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[quote=SmootSmack;591302]I sometimes think fans here are trying too hard to find reasons not to like Blache. He's old-school, he's abrasive, he rubs people the wrong way. But he's a good, well-respected coach and I think we're reading too much into what he's saying here.[/quote]

It's simple. If the Offense plays better, the Defense will play better:

1) Less time on the field

2) If we can ever get a lead, we can make other teams one-dimensional, which will lead to:

3) More turnovers

Blache ain't the problem. It's our coach/coordinator and QB who haven't scored 30 points in 19 games. Fix that and everything will be fine.

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[quote=SmootSmack;591302]I sometimes think fans here are trying too hard to find reasons not to like Blache. He's old-school, he's abrasive, he rubs people the wrong way. [B]But he's a good, well-respected coach[/B] and I think we're reading too much into what he's saying here.[/quote]

I agree with the bold and it's not that I don't like Blache SS, I think we'll have a good defense this year. I'd just like to see more of an emphasis on getting to the QB and creating a little more confusion with our defensive packages. Blitzes in particular. I'm hoping we'll get more turnovers and more three and outs this year. It's still early, maybe we will. But I have to wonder about things like the DB's giving such a big cushion in the Giants game. I know we're going to adjust that but, you mean we had to play the game before we realized it? I hope Blache's defense kicks ass this year. I would love that.

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[quote=Meks;591243]at this point i do not like greg blache lack of aggression, and the infamous cusions that allows our secondary to give up too many crucial first down plays.

i say he eithers shapes up or ships out, may have been a top 4 defense last year but i put that on the players, i do NOT think he uses Landry correctly.... i still do NOT agree with Orakpo at LB the majority of the time .....

i just ..... really think it's time we look elsewhere if he doesnt correct these subtle, yet big flaws in his defensive philosiphy.... IMO ...

... i just dont like the guy anymore.[/quote]

HMM, the D was ranked 4th and our O around 28th and its GB that might need to go. Isn't that backwards?

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[quote=53Fan;591305]I agree with the bold and it's not that I don't like Blache SS, I think we'll have a good defense this year. I'd just like to see more of an emphasis on getting to the QB and creating a little more confusion with our defensive packages. Blitzes in particular. I'm hoping we'll get more turnovers and more three and outs this year. It's still early, maybe we will. But I have to wonder about things like the DB's giving such a big cushion in the Giants game. I know we're going to adjust that but, you mean we had to play the game before we realized it? I hope Blache's defense kicks ass this year. I would love that.[/quote]

Well the D had two turnovers and should have had 3 but old butter fingers dropped another ball.

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Our offense needs to get on track and start making plays. There is no doubt about that. Pittsburgh won the SB last year with the #1 defense. That didn't stop them from taking a DT, Ziggy Hood, with their first round pick. Whether the offense is good or bad, you still want the other parts of your team to play as well as they can don't you? Or is the defense suppose to just stand pat and say, "We'll get better after the offense gets better?" The fact that we need to get more sacks and turnovers, and get off the field quicker has [B]nothing to do with the offense[/B]. [B]That's what good defenses do[/B]. Blache can't do anything about the offense but he CAN make the defense better and I'm not satisfied with them being "pretty good" regardless of how the offense is playing. I'm not sure how wanting the defense to play better is taken as an endorsement of the offense. I love defense and would like to see them kick ass. Regardless of how the offense plays, at least I could get some pleasure from that.

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[quote=The Goat;591282]Jerry Gray sure as hell would deserve the promotion...however at this point like another poster said it would be very tempting to grab a coach from NY, Philly, Pitt or Baltimore...let's face it all those have far better defenses.[/quote]

I think that instead of going to other franchises and getting their coaches, that we should go within our own team and find our next Richie Petitbone. I don't know how much longer Blache will coach, but Gray and Olivadotti are young up and coming coaches and should be considered the for the DC position before somebody raids them from us.

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[quote=53Fan;591308]Our offense needs to get on track and start making plays. There is no doubt about that. Pittsburgh won the SB last year with the #1 defense. That didn't stop them from taking a DT, Ziggy Hood, with their first round pick. Whether the offense is good or bad, you still want the other parts of your team to play as well as they can don't you? Or is the defense suppose to just stand pat and say, "We'll get better after the offense gets better?" The fact that we need to get more sacks and turnovers, and get off the field quicker has [B]nothing to do with the offense[/B]. [B]That's what good defenses do[/B]. Blache can't do anything about the offense but he CAN make the defense better and I'm not satisfied with them being "pretty good" regardless of how the offense is playing. I'm not sure how wanting the defense to play better is taken as an endorsement of the offense. I love defense and would like to see them kick ass. Regardless of how the offense plays, at least I could get some pleasure from that.[/quote]Excellent post.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;591261]How would you know? When was the last time we gambled and lost? 2003?[/QUOTE

ah yes the glorious spurrier era

:doh:

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;591347]Excellent post.[/quote]

Thanks Sammy.

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Orakpo had zero tackles today and Landry had 1/2 tackle.

Lots of players on defense played well, but something seems off?

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i love our players, i truly do..And i also like the fact that there was just a little more fire out there.
WE just need to take some heads off, make people scared to match up against us.

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Give the D some slack, I thought they played pretty well today. They made plays when they had to. Tackling was much better. Only 1 sack, but they knocked the sh*t of Bulger alot. McIntosh played great, they need to extend him soon. Only issue is third downs they did a little better, but I believe they allow 50%, so would like to see that number a little lower.

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[quote=wilsowilso;592103]Orakpo had zero tackles today and Landry had 1/2 tackle.

Lots of players on defense played well, but something seems off?[/quote]

Rak had some nice pressures at the end so I can't get too upset with him.

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im not hating on the d. I thought the interior of our d line was fantastic.
Big al earned his paycheck today

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The defense played much better today. Glad to see it!

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How about Tryon in the Nickle? I only saw one time where he got thrown on and it was completed and Tryon was on him pretty tight. By not hearing his name that often, thought he played pretty well. Horton had a great freakin game as well for that secondary. Any thoughts contrary to Tryon's play?

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[quote=Chico23231;592241]How about Tryon in the Nickle? I only saw one time where he got thrown on and it was completed and Tryon was on him pretty tight. By not hearing his name that often, thought he played pretty well. Horton had a great freakin game as well for that secondary. Any thoughts contrary to Tryon's play?[/quote]
I thought he was blanketing the guy that caught the ball on him. I think he did better than Smoot. Of course that was the Rams. Horton is awesome. He is turning out to be our star on defense, not Landry.