Would you rather be 0-2
 

Maybe I'm just too much of a half full type of person, But by the vibes on the warpath you would think that we were WINLESS (Rams, Titans, Bucs, Dolphins, Jaguars, Chiefs, Panthers, Lions, Browns). At the end of every season you look back at every game and say "if we just won that one game we would've made it to the playofffs" (Rams game last year). A win is a win lets go to Detroit next week put up 38 and stay focused.

And our defense is GREAT after seeing what Eli did to the Cowboys last night in comparison to us, and how we almost ended Marc Bulgers season on sunday. I'm very encouraged about the rest of the season.

So I ask would you rather be 0-2??? The Patriots put up 3fgs and got a L......

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[quote=Ferrari;592987]Maybe I'm just too much of a half full type of person, But by the vibes on the warpath you would think that we were WINLESS (Rams, Titans, Bucs, Dolphins, Jaguars, Chiefs, Panthers, Lions, Browns). At the end of every season you look back at every game and say "if we just won that one game we would've made it to the playofffs" (Rams game last year). A win is a win lets go to Detroit next week put up 38 and stay focused.

And our defense is GREAT after seeing what Eli did to the Cowboys last night in comparison to us, and how we almost ended Marc Bulgers season on sunday. I'm very encouraged about the rest of the season.

So I ask would you rather be 0-2??? The Patriots put up 3fgs and got a L......[/quote]

The answer is no. Good perspective there.

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And I make pointless threads? wtf

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No one would rather be 0-2, of course. The difference between us scoring 9 points and winning and the Patriots scoring 9 points and losing is that the Pats were facing the Brian Schottenheimer led Jets offense!!!!

Seriously though, the difference is that history (the past year and a half) says the 9 points was an anomaly for the Patriots and they will bounce back with relative ease. I don't think we've found that confidence yet with our Redskins

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[quote=skinsfaninok;592991]And I make pointless threads? wtf[/quote]

Yeah, you do. This one isn't bad.

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We were 6-2 at midseason last year and we were still hoping the team would get better....

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I do think we need to get some perspective here. A win is always better than a loss.

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well I'm not sold on the pats I think people live in the past too often. They should've lost to the Bills and they got dominated by the jets(but they're still sb contenders). The reason why the Redskins never get national respect is because there own fans dont technically respect them. This is a NEW yr and I believe this was just our hiccup game. Defense great. 20 to 20 great. Turnovers great. Special Teams great. So we have 14wks left and all we need to worry about is rdzne offense. I'll take that

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[quote=SmootSmack;592992]No one would rather be 0-2, of course. The difference between us scoring 9 points and winning and the Patriots scoring 9 points and losing is that the Pats were facing the Brian Schottenheimer led Jets offense!!!!

Seriously though, the difference is that history (the past year and a half) says the 9 points was an anomaly for the Patriots and they will bounce back with relative ease. I don't think we've found that confidence yet with our Redskins[/quote]

Agreed about what history says. Speaking of history, going to back the second half of last season, we're 3-7, and seem to have all of the same problems with nearly identical personnel. Turnovers are few, sacks seem awfully tough to come by, we can't score touchdowns to save our lives, and we have an old, injury prone O-line with terrible depth.

I was listening to 980am today on the way home from BWI, and I've spent the last hour or so reading this board. I've seen and heard a bunch of "it's only 2 games" comments. It's not 2 games, it's 10. No more excuses. Kevin Sheehan said how "we're so close to finding those game changing sacks and turnovers," and "getting hung up on only scoring 9 points is a shortsighted view." I strongly disagree. The time is now. This current regime has had 9 preseason and 18 regular season games to figure it out, and it's not coming together. This isn't horseshoes. I don't give a damn about "close."

I'm SO SICK of hearing crap like, "gosh our offense can really move the ball, but..." No more buts. We don't score. We just don't. Points win games, not yards. It needs to change right away.

I think Zorn's leash can be measured in inches, not feet right now. Get it together or get out JZ. My patience is gone.

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[quote=SmootSmack;592992]No one would rather be 0-2, of course. The difference between us scoring 9 points and winning and the Patriots scoring 9 points and losing is that the Pats were facing the Brian Schottenheimer led Jets offense!!!!

Seriously though, the difference is that history (the past year and a half) says the 9 points was an anomaly for the Patriots and they will bounce back with relative ease. I don't think we've found that confidence yet with our Redskins[/quote]

If you ask me it looks like Brady is playing not to get hit. Brady before his injury stepped up into pressure to make a pass and now he is going back away from pressure to make a pass. So until Brady gets comfortable in the pocket they could struggle and no one knows how long that could take.

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[quote=Ferrari;593007]well I'm not sold on the pats I think people live in the past too often. They should've lost to the Bills and they got dominated by the jets(but they're still sb contenders). The reason why the Redskins never get national respect is because there own fans dont technically respect them. This is a NEW yr and I believe this was just our hiccup game. Defense great. 20 to 20 great. Turnovers great. Special Teams great. So we have 14wks left and all we need to worry about is rdzne offense. I'll take that[/quote]

Well I will say that the Redskins need to earn that national respect...the Pats get respect because of their Superbowl wins, and people don't criticize them much (although they were a McElvin fumble away from being 0-2).

I think a number of Skins fans love to hate the team. I mean there are posters that have nothing but negative things to say about the team.

Most people will say...well we won, it's a W, the team and the coaching staff have issues that need to be dealt soon if they want to continue to win, and this is how they should do it. And then there are the mindless rants about how we suck (and that's basically all they say).

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[quote=Ferrari;593007]well I'm not sold on the pats I think people live in the past too often. They should've lost to the Bills and they got dominated by the jets(but they're still sb contenders). The reason why the Redskins never get national respect is because there own fans dont technically respect them. This is a NEW yr and I believe this was just our hiccup game. Defense great. 20 to 20 great. Turnovers great. Special Teams great. So we have 14wks left and all we need to worry about is rdzne offense. I'll take that[/quote]

Thats all fine and dandy, how long have you been a fan? This is not a rusty start of a season, this is how we play regardless of our opponent. The patriots are proven winners, we haven't had a dominant year in 18 years. So when we beat one of the worst teams in the NFL 9-7 at home while completely healthy then yes there is going to be a lot of pessimism.

That being said, a win is a win. I guess. Right now every game in this next stretch of lesser opponents is must win.

Redskins have the greatest fans, we don't get respect because we probably have the worst primtime/monday night record in last 20 years. Lets blow some people out for a change, and start next week. :)

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I would rather be 0-2 if it got Zorn fired/demoted and replaced by Mike Holmgren.

Otherwise, no, 1-1 is better than 0-2. And, realistically, when we looked at the schedule when it was first released, atleast 90% of us thought we'd have a win over the Rams and a loss to the Giants at this point in the season. So, we're right where I, and most of us, thought we'd be - I just didnt think our offense would be this bad and Zorn would continue to challenge Steve Spurrier as the worst head coach the skins have had in my lifetime.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;593029]I would rather be 0-2 if it got Zorn fired/demoted and replaced by Mike Holmgren.

Otherwise, no, 1-1 is better than 0-2. And, realistically, when we looked at the schedule when it was first released, atleast 90% of us thought we'd have a win over the Rams and a loss to the Giants at this point in the season. So, we're right where I, and most of us, thought we'd be - I just didnt think our offense would be this bad and Zorn would continue to challenge Steve Spurrier as the worst head coach the skins have had in my lifetime.[/quote]
There is no firing a head coach at this point and having anything good come out of it this year. Lets have a little faith and hope for the best. We are still in the playoff hunt.

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I'm surprised nobody has brought up parallels with the many Ravens teams that had anemic offenses and pretty much won due to defense and Matt Stover.

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[quote=dgack;593038]I'm surprised nobody has brought up parallels with the many Ravens teams that had anemic offenses and pretty much won due to defense and Matt Stover.[/quote]

As much as I tend to be optimistic (sp?) we don't have nearly as good of a defense as those Ravens.

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Dang some of you guys should just go slide down a razor into a bottle of alcohol, or just jab a pencil in your eye, maybe have a friend kick you between the legs. We won nothing else we can do but watch and enjoy the rest of the season. There are alot of things I could sit around and bitch about with the skins but what good does that do? Nothing, life is to dam short to get all mad over a win at that.

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It's not an either or situation. Would you rather have a dirt sandwich or a kick to the groin? Me, I'll take steak & eggs thank you very much. Until these guys start shitting out Tiffany cuff-links then they're going to get ragged on, strait up. The fans are fed up.

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[quote=GMScud;593016]Agreed about what history says. Speaking of history, going to back the second half of last season, we're 3-7, and seem to have all of the same problems with nearly identical personnel. Turnovers are few, sacks seem awfully tough to come by, we can't score touchdowns to save our lives, and we have an old, injury prone O-line with terrible depth.

I was listening to 980am today on the way home from BWI, and I've spent the last hour or so reading this board. I've seen and heard a bunch of "it's only 2 games" comments. It's not 2 games, it's 10. No more excuses. Kevin Sheehan said how "we're so close to finding those game changing sacks and turnovers," and "getting hung up on only scoring 9 points is a shortsighted view." I strongly disagree. The time is now. This current regime has had 9 preseason and 18 regular season games to figure it out, and it's not coming together.

[B]I'm SO SICK of hearing crap like, "gosh our offense can really move the ball, but..." No more buts. We don't score. We just don't. Points win games, not yards. It needs to change right away.[/B]

I think Zorn's leash can be measured in inches, not feet right now. Get it together or get out JZ. My patience is gone.[/quote]

we won didn't we?

last year at the end of the season, we were not moving the ball effectively, especially, from the 50 to the 20, and Zorn in the offseason said he was focusing on fixing that. we moved the ball effectively in both games in that area of the field.

I would call it medium rare right now. a little more seasoning, and we might get some well done out of it.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;593058]we won didn't we?

last year at the end of the season, we were not moving the ball effectively, especially, from the 50 to the 20, and Zorn in the offseason said he was focusing on fixing that. we moved the ball effectively in both games in that area of the field.

I would call it medium rare right now. a little more seasoning, and we might get some well done out of it.[/quote]I think it was you that mentioned this before, but there's a big difference between an offense that sees it's long drives fizzle out on the edge of FG range, and one that gets inside the ten before things fall apart.

The difference, of course, is that in spite of the playcalling, the Redskins got three throws into the end zone yesterday (1 of them by Portis), and had a 0% success rate. Keep getting 3-5 throws into the end zone a game and we're going to beat a lot of teams.

Last year, we usually had one or two drives into the red zone in a game, and thusly, 20 points would have been a solid effort. Now, we're on the verge of 3 TDs a game, and while that doesn't sound like much, it's the difference between 16 PPG (1 TD, 3 FG) and 24 PPG (3 TD, 1 FG), if we execute.

The point is we didn't just make it inside the red zone 4 times, we made it inside the ten 4 times.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;593029]I would rather be 0-2 if it got Zorn fired/demoted and replaced by Mike Holmgren.

Otherwise, no, 1-1 is better than 0-2. And, realistically, when we looked at the schedule when it was first released, atleast 90% of us thought we'd have a win over the Rams and a loss to the Giants at this point in the season. So, we're right where I, and most of us, thought we'd be - I just didnt think our offense would be this bad and Zorn would continue to challenge Steve Spurrier as the worst head coach the skins have had in my lifetime.[/quote]

So at the end of the day, you're really not rooting for the Redskins to win any games this year? What's more important to you is that we get Zorn out of here as soon as possible to get Holmgren?

Wouldn't you rather we win and be successful with who we have?

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I will take all ugly W's but honestly we might as well have lost. The game is terrible sign of things to come, barring a miracle turnaround, which is what is needed for this season to make the playoffs. If you think it will be anything else, then you are strongly mistaken. I hope I eat crow but it does not seem likely.

The skins are 3-7 last 10 games and they havent scored over 20 in that span. No wait let's celebrate the win!!! Hah, pathetic.

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[quote=SmootSmack;593066]So at the end of the day, you're really not rooting for the Redskins to win any games this year? What's more important to you is that we get Zorn out of here as soon as possible to get Holmgren?

Wouldn't you rather we win and be successful with who we have?[/quote]

This is the ultimate question. Do you want Zorn to go 9-7 even if that is his peak and he sucks the year after? Isn't that delaying the inevitable?

^That isn't my position but it is many people. I haven't fully lost faith in Zorn and Co. but they are on a red hot seat.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;593058][B]we won didn't we?[/B]

[B]last year at the end of the season, we were not moving the ball effectively, especially, from the 50 to the 20, and Zorn in the offseason said he was focusing on fixing that. we moved the ball effectively in both games in that area of the field. [/B]

I would call it medium rare right now. a little more seasoning, and we might get some well done out of it.[/quote]

Sure, we beat a god awful team by 2 in our house and didn't score a TD. The week before we lost to a Giants team that played a pretty mediocre game. We play like this the rest of the way and .500 is a stretch.

From the 50 to the 20? So what? Again, points win games, not yards. Zorn should be focused on fixing moving the ball from wherever our possession begins to the endzone.

We were just barely good enough to beat a doormat. Even during our 6-2 start last year, our largest margin of victory was 8 over the winless Lions. Even when "successful" in this offense points have been scarce, and it doesn't look a ton better right now.

Moving the ball well outside of the redzone only to stall repeatedly doesn't exactly give me the warm and fuzzies.

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[quote=hooskins;593070]I will take all ugly W's but honestly we might as well have lost. The game is terrible sign of things to come, barring a miracle turnaround, which is what is needed for this season to make the playoffs. If you think it will be anything else, then you are strongly mistaken. I hope I eat crow but it does not seem likely.

The skins are 3-7 last 10 games and they havent scored over 20 in that span. No wait let's celebrate the win!!! Hah, pathetic.[/quote]
I don't think anyone on this board is celebrating, however, does anyone else remember the 0-2 Patriots right before 9/11. They went on to win the SB

or the 0-2 Giants, on the verge of being 0-3 and beating us:( and going on to win the SB.

We are 1-1, some "easier" games ahead of us. If Zorn is able to push through the redzone mental block we could be a contending team. Certainly our D looks like it could be good, and our O needs to shift gears, Like the Giants did, like the Patriots did, hell like the 0-5 skins did with Gibbs. Can it happen, I think so. Will it, we shall wait and see.

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[quote=dgack;593038]I'm surprised nobody has brought up parallels with the many Ravens teams that had anemic offenses and pretty much won due to defense and Matt Stover.[/quote]

The Redskins had a very good defense and a poor offense last year and failed to make the playoffs, and so far this year, it looks as if the offense might have actually taken a step back, so I'm not surprised parallels to the successful Ravens teams are not being drawn.

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I think the tone of this board today clearly takes into account that they did win yesterday. If they had actually lost to the Rams yesterday I think this board would have crashed from all the venom being spewed out.

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[quote=GMScud;593077]We beat a god awful team by 2 in our house and didn't score a TD. From the 50 to the 20? So what? Again, points win games, not yards. Zorn should be focused on fixing moving the ball from wherever our possession begins to the endzone.

We were just barely good enough to beat a doormat. Even during our 6-2 start last year, our largest margin of victory was 8 over the winless Lions. Even when "successful" in this offense points have been scarce, and it doesn't look a ton better right now.

Moving the ball well outside of the redzone only stall repeatedly doesn't exactly give me the warm and fuzzies.[/quote]

the goal is to win. we did that yesterday.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;593057]It's not an either or situation. Would you rather have a dirt sandwich or a kick to the groin? Me, I'll take steak & eggs thank you very much. Until these guys start shitting out Tiffany cuff-links then they're going to get ragged on, strait up. The fans are fed up.[/quote]

My favorite post of all time! God this is funny some reason. Don't know why, but it is.

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[quote=dgack;593038]I'm surprised nobody has brought up parallels with the many Ravens teams that had anemic offenses and pretty much won due to defense and Matt Stover.[/quote]

Because those teams absolutely terrorized the QB and we don't.

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[quote=dgack;593038]I'm surprised nobody has brought up parallels with the many Ravens teams that had anemic offenses and pretty much won due to defense and Matt Stover.[/quote]

The redskins defense will need to start producing more sacks and turnovers that lead to points before those comparisons can start.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;593084]the goal is to win. we did that yesterday.[/quote]

No disrespect dude, but that's a lame fall back excuse for a team that is really really struggling.

I'll take the win of course, and I'm glad we're not 0-2, but I have basically no confidence in our offense. Have you looked at the second half of our schedule? We're gonna get kicked into the dirt if we don't turn it around. Fortunately we play some less than stellar teams over the course of the next month. We'll see.

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Tell you what, we lose to the Lions Sunday and the shit will officially hit the fan. I don't care how they get a W, even if Zorn has to suit up himself, the Skins better leave the Motor City with a W.

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I think the best thing about yesterday by far is the fact that the team is starting to really believe that it can move the ball up and down the field and secondly, they got to see yet again that they look like a bunch of clowns in the redzone.

They have to hate looking like clowns and getting that kind of fan reaction. Fix the problem! Everyone will be happy.

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[quote=12thMan;593090]Tell you what, we lose to the Lions Sunday and the shit will officially hit the fan. I don't care how they get a W, even if Zorn has to suit up himself, the Skins better leave the Motor City with a W.[/quote]

Yup. It's a MUST win on several levels.

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[quote=wilsowilso;593096]I think the best thing about yesterday by far is the fact that the team is starting to really believe that it can move the ball up and down the field and secondly, they got to see yet again that they look like a bunch of clowns in the redzone.

[B]They have to hate looking like clowns and getting that kind of fan reaction. Fix the problem! Everyone will be happy.[/B][/quote]

Yeah, I mean if Zorn has the balls to call a HB pass on 3rd and goal, then he's got to be able to use those same stones to spread it out a bit and let Jason throw on 1st or 2nd down inside our 20. Or whatever else it takes to trade in some FGs for TDs.

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[quote=GMScud;593097]Yup. It's a MUST win on several levels.[/quote]

I think the redzone play calling is to predictable. The only play i thought we were gonna see down there that we didnt was a WR screen to Moss.

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I'd rather not be 0-2. I'd rather not be in debt. I'd rather not be living surrounded by douchebags. Reality is, however, different than what I'd rather. So...1-1, I'll take it. If the Redskins lose to the Kittens (not a chance) I'll still watch the next game. I'm just glad to be able to watch Redskin football and hope the team competes and of course beats the snot out of Dallas later in the year. I'm sure Zorn feels pretty shitty about his horrible play calling too. Let's see if this motivates him to raise his game to a higher level or if it breaks him to the point where we need to find a new coach. I hope he finds his stride. I don't think this offense is as far away as some think. Hope.

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[quote=GMScud;593089]No disrespect dude, but that's a lame fall back excuse for a team that is really really struggling.

I'll take the win of course, and I'm glad we're not 0-2, but I have basically no confidence in our offense. Have you looked at the second half of our schedule? We're gonna get kicked into the dirt if we don't turn it around. Fortunately we play some less than stellar teams over the course of the next month. We'll see.[/quote]

It wasn't an excuse, you sit pounding your chest saying that the point is to get into the endzone. Who cares about yards. Who cares about drives, or the fact that last year we didn't even get in the red zone, blah blah blah. So I raised the stakes. The ultimate point is to win, I gives a hoot in the final tally if it's 31-26, 16-7, 33-31, or 9-7. We scored more, we won. IF we had needed a FG and our last two drives stalled at the 4, and we lost, I am all with ya. But We didn't, We NEEDED to make the Rams drive the whole field.

so I made the bottom line statement. we won.

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[quote=GMScud;593016]Agreed about what history says. Speaking of history, going to back the [B]second half of last season, we're 3-7, and seem to have all of the same problems with nearly identical personnel. Turnovers are few, sacks seem awfully tough to come by, we can't score touchdowns to save our lives, and we have an old, injury prone O-line with terrible depth.[/B]

I was listening to 980am today on the way home from BWI, and I've spent the last hour or so reading this board. I've seen and heard a bunch of "it's only 2 games" comments. It's not 2 games, it's 10. No more excuses. Kevin Sheehan said how "we're so close to finding those game changing sacks and turnovers," and "getting hung up on only scoring 9 points is a shortsighted view." I strongly disagree. The time is now. This current regime has had 9 preseason and 18 regular season games to figure it out, and it's not coming together. This isn't horseshoes. I don't give a damn about "close."

I[B]'m SO SICK of hearing crap like, "gosh our offense can really move the ball, but..." No more buts. We don't score. We just don't. Points win games, not yards. It needs to change right away.[/B]

I think Zorn's leash can be measured in inches, not feet right now. Get it together or get out JZ. My patience is gone.[/quote]

This post is excellent. It is exactly how I feel about the Jim Zorn Redskins of this year and last year.
Yes, the sky is [B]not[/B] falling. I am not panicking.
I am frustrated to see a talented Redskins team [B]not [/B]perform up to their talent level. That is on the coaches and the players.
Many people get upset on this site when the Redskins do not get the respect from the national media in power rankings or other print.
Well taking a "win is a win" attitude is not going to gain you respect. Playing good/sound football will. Even if you lose to a really good team but you play well, there is nothing to be ashamed of. I was embarrassed as a Redskins fan on Sunday. I hope not to say this against the Lions.
I hope the offense finds its spark and the pass rush becomes consistent and ferocious. We are so close to being a really good team. Campbell and Zorn's necks are stretched out right now. It is do or die time for them as Redskins.