Will JC Get a Contract Extension From His Stats or Playoff Berth?
 

I know that some of you would think that if JC puts up good numbers we would win right? Not always the case for an example look at Aaron Rodgers 2008 stats

percentage: 63.6
Yards: 4038
TD's: 28
Int's: 13
QB Rating: 93.8
Team Record: 6-10

He had great numbers and if JC puts up similar numbers but the team goes 6-10 does JC get it? It's quite interesting because with the booing at Fed-Ex and Zorn's play calling if he goes 6-10 he's out i would think. So if Zorn is out but replaced would the new HC want there own QB? Better yet would Danny tell the new coach that JC must the franchise QB due to his previous performance? So in this case would a stellar season from JC really matter?

On the flip side of things if JC has a year very decent not flashy season but we are playoff bound (wildcard berth) and play for the NFC Championship game but lose. Zorn is awarded another year would JC get it? Question is how does he get it stats or playoff berth?

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I was looking at his stats on nfl.com yesterday, and was a little suprised. I think he was the 12th overall in completions and rating. Just got to find a way to get in the end zone. He could throw for a 1000 yards a game, but if he doesn't score he'll be gone. I like JC, and I'm not saying he's the problem, but if we can't generate points this year, him and Zorn will be gone by next season.

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I think that if JC puts up Rodgers '08 numbers, he stays regardless of record or Zorn's status.

Put this differently: if he puts up Rodgers '08 numbers and we let him go, I will be PISSED.

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I want JC to succeed. I believe he has the physical ability. but for him to get a contract extension, he has to show more W's than L's at the end of the season. He has to develop an air of success. That is about as intangible as it gets. That is what he lacks, and if you ask me why I would shrug my shoulders. Simply put he has to lead the team "there" once, and then you believe he can do it again. Eli is the great example of this.

I want JC to get paid BIG!

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If he puts up Aaron Rogers numbers, we better sign him right away, no questions asked. However, he is on pace for 8 tds and 16 turnovers...if he does that, I'd rather have the towel boy give it a go and send Campbell to the unemployment line.

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The most important stat for any QB is wins. Always has been, always will be. He's not getting a contract extension unless he puts up the numbers [U]and[/U] we win.

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With our defense, if Campbell has Rodgers' 2008 numbers we will have a 15-1 record.

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This is an interesting topic. I, as many, think that Zorn and Campbell have their fate intertwined.

For Zorn to stay, I think he must get to the playoffs. Therefore Campbell needs this to happen to keep his job despite the fact he is putting up decent numbers. Barring a probowl type stats, JC is linked with Zorn and need to get to the postseason.

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W's count but JC would have to be a bigger part of them. If the defense is holding teams to 14 pts a game and CP is doing most of the scoring then JC is in trouble. I think JC has to show that he can carry this team when we need him to and be able to take over a game when the run game is ineffective.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;593409]W's count but JC would have to be a bigger part of them. If the defense is holding teams to 14 pts a game and CP is doing most of the scoring then JC is in trouble. I think JC has to show that he can carry this team when we need him to and be able to take over a game when the run game is ineffective.[/quote]

Winning cures everything. Although, if this team does indeed become a pass-first offense, then this may happen...I don't know though, like I said, winning cures everything and he could be extended.

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I'm not sure that no matter what JC does (except a Super Bowl win) he will get a contract extension. I just dont think the HC or FO have much confidence in him anymore.

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DS doesnt want to have a "game manager" at QB. He openly went out of his way to get a Pro Bowl QB who puts points on the board and throws for 300 yards a game. Thats what he wants, not a 200 yd a game QB who hands the ball of and makes a good throw when the team needs it. I may be wrong but this is what i get from the latest actions of our FO.

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[quote=irish;593414]I'm not sure that no matter what JC does (except a Super Bowl win) he will get a contract extension. I just dont think the HC or FO have much confidence in him anymore.[/quote]

What makes you say that right now? Because the only thing that Zorn's playcalling is doing is making Zorn look bad. I think if JC gets good stats but not that many Ws, that will be fine for him b/c his stats will land him a new contract somewhere else. I think now more than ever, Zorn is depending on JC to do well and get the Ws for the sake of his job.

[quote=DBUCHANON101;593415]DS doesnt want to have a "game manager" at QB. He openly went out of his way to get a Pro Bowl QB who puts points on the board and throws for 300 yards a game. Thats what he wants, not a 200 yd a game QB who hands the ball of and makes a good throw when the team needs it. I may be wrong but this is what i get from the latest actions of our FO.[/quote]

Well DS doesn't want a game manager because he wants to win now...but like I said earlier, if the team win, that won't matter.

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[quote=Ruhskins;593416]What makes you say that right now? Because the only thing that Zorn's playcalling is doing is making Zorn look bad. I think if JC gets good stats but not that many Ws, that will be fine for him b/c his stats will land him a new contract somewhere else. I think now more than ever, Zorn is depending on JC to do well and get the Ws for the sake of his job.



Well DS doesn't want a game manager because he wants to win now...but like I said earlier, if the team win, that won't matter.[/quote]

I think Zorn's calls the plays to minimize JC's weakness at QB and like you said, right now he looks bad for doing it.

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[quote=irish;593421]I think Zorn's calls the plays to minimize JC's weakness at QB and like you said, right now he looks bad for doing it.[/quote]

Yes but in the end, Campbell comes out with a good statistical game, and Zorn comes out like he has no balls in the RZ. If what you say is true, Zorn has a big problem and he needs to figure out how to minimize JC's weaknesses and win games, because like I said he's the one looking bad right now, not Campbell.

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Irish isnt a fan of JC to begin with, so he will always see it his way.

The truth is until JC plays with another coach/org we will not be able to see if it Zorns fault or Campbells. Both variables will continue to get confounded.

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[quote=hooskins;593424]Irish isnt a fan of JC to begin with, so he will always see it his way.

The truth is until JC plays with another coach/org we will not be able to see if it Zorns fault or Campbells. Both variables will continue to get confounded.[/quote]

Exactly...to a somewhat unbiased person (which I am not) right now, Campbell looks like a pretty good QB. After the Rams game, the #1 thing people were complaining about, was the playcalling by Zorn. If this were to continue, the team gets an average record but JC puts up good stats with solid play, he might get canned here but he'll sign somewhere else.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;593415]DS doesnt want to have a "game manager" at QB. He openly went out of his way to get a Pro Bowl QB who puts points on the board and throws for 300 yards a game. Thats what he wants, not a 200 yd a game QB who hands the ball of and makes a good throw when the team needs it. I may be wrong but this is what i get from the latest actions of our FO.[/quote]

I sure the front office does not care if the QB throws for 400 yards or 200 yards if they are winning games. JC has good stats but not the best results which he will need to change to stay around. I also do not think Zorn's fate revolves around JC because the front office tried to bring in a new QB and if we have a bad season then the blame maybe laid on JC and not as much Zorn. Rather thats fair or not I could see it going down that way but its really a little early in the season to discuss that.

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[quote=Ruhskins;593426]Exactly...to a somewhat unbiased person (which I am not) right now, Campbell looks like a pretty good QB. After the Rams game, the #1 thing people were complaining about, was the playcalling by Zorn. If this were to continue, the team gets an average record but JC puts up good stats with solid play, he might get canned here but he'll sign somewhere else.[/quote]
Well its not like JC was winning a bunch of games under Gibbs so its not like Zorn is his first coach. I actually think Gibbs stressed so much do not turn over the ball it has impacted how JC plays still today.

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I agree firstdown, Gibbs has a huge impact on JC's mentality. But I still think Zorn has the reins on JC real tight.

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Right now, its highly unlikely JC voluntarily stays on as QB next year. Zorn will definitely be fired by the end of the season and Campbell isnt going to want to stick around to learn a new system every 2 years. If Shanahan or Holmgren becomes HC and promises to keep the same offensive system... then MAYBE we can convince him to stay. But thats the only way I can see it happening.

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[quote=Ruhskins;593422]Yes but in the end, Campbell comes out with a good statistical game, and Zorn comes out like he has no balls in the RZ. If what you say is true, Zorn has a big problem and he needs to figure out how to minimize JC's weaknesses and win games, because like I said he's the one looking bad right now, not Campbell.[/quote]

I agree Zorn looks bad and I'm sure he knows he looks bad. I'm also sure Zorn doesnt care about JC's stats as long as the team wins so all involved will continue to work to maximize the opportunity to win.

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[quote=irish;593421]I think Zorn's calls the plays to minimize JC's weakness at QB and like you said, right now he looks bad for doing it.[/quote]

I dont think Zorn is psychic, he doesnt have a "crystal ball" on the sidelines. He is an idiot if this is the way he wants to coach, he will never be successful, and neither will Campbell. Why not open up the playbook, call your damn plays, and we will find out if JC sinks or swims. Right now JC looks capable, and the plays(especially in the redzone) look questionable. Take off the handcuffs and lets see if the guy can play quarterback, otherwise its just Zorns best guess of what he thinks JC can handle.

I prefer a game manager, not the gunslinger(Cutler, Romo) so Im hoping that he continues to progress. JC has all the talent in the world, Im not sure why Zorn doesnt feel he cant "handle" whatever he wants to throw at him. I really dont buy this reasoning, I feel like Zorn is just over his head and not a very good playcaller.

In the end, its about wins/losses....all the stats in the world wont matter.

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On espn it has that with JC as the starter, our offense avg's 1.74 td's a game. This has to change for him to stay.

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[quote=Ruhskins;593416]What makes you say that right now? Because the only thing that Zorn's playcalling is doing is making Zorn look bad. I think if JC gets good stats but not that many Ws, that will be fine for him b/c his stats will land him a new contract somewhere else. I think now more than ever, Zorn is depending on JC to do well and get the Ws for the sake of his job.



Well DS doesn't want a game manager because he wants to win now...but like I said earlier, if the team win, that won't matter.[/quote]

Did you ever think that maybe Zorn is calling plays that he thinks Campbell can execute and he doesn't call plays that Campbell hasn't been able to grasp?

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[quote=nyredskinsfan;593478]Did you ever think that maybe Zorn is calling plays that he thinks Campbell can execute and he doesn't call plays that Campbell hasn't been able to grasp?[/quote]

He thinks, he thinks, he thinks.....bottom line is he doesnt KNOW anything! Roll the dice, if the guy falls on his face, we know what the next step will be. The way this is unfolding, neither will be here next year and we are starting over AGAIN!

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[quote=nyredskinsfan;593478]Did you ever think that maybe Zorn is calling plays that he thinks Campbell can execute and he doesn't call plays that Campbell hasn't been able to grasp?[/quote]

Well that's on Zorn then. His first responsibility when he came here was to develop Campbell. And if he couldn't, he shouldn't have been so vocal about keeping him there this past offseason

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His stats should do it for him even if we don't make the playoffs (we will).

Here's how he compares to the coveted offseason QB and draft pick:

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/31856-can-we-now-start-countdown-new-6.html#post593004[/url]

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[quote=roth74va;593484]He thinks, he thinks, he thinks.....bottom line is he doesnt KNOW anything! Roll the dice, if the guy falls on his face, we know what the next step will be. The way this is unfolding, neither will be here next year and we are starting over AGAIN![/quote]

The dice has been rolled. Next year, no Campbell as starter. Zorn will still be the HC. Remember, Zorn inherited Campbell.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;593448]Right now, its highly unlikely JC voluntarily stays on as QB next year. Zorn will definitely be fired by the end of the season and Campbell isnt going to want to stick around to learn a new system every 2 years. If Shanahan or Holmgren becomes HC and promises to keep the same offensive system...[SIZE=4] then MAYBE we can convince him to stay.[/SIZE] But thats the only way I can see it happening.[/quote]

Now thats funny a statement.

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[quote=roth74va;593464]I dont think Zorn is psychic, he doesnt have a "crystal ball" on the sidelines. He is an idiot if this is the way he wants to coach, he will never be successful, and neither will Campbell. Why not open up the playbook, call your damn plays, and we will find out if JC sinks or swims. Right now JC looks capable, and the plays(especially in the redzone) look questionable. Take off the handcuffs and lets see if the guy can play quarterback, otherwise its just Zorns best guess of what he thinks JC can handle.

I prefer a game manager, not the gunslinger(Cutler, Romo) so Im hoping that he continues to progress. JC has all the talent in the world, Im not sure why Zorn doesnt feel he cant "handle" whatever he wants to throw at him. I really dont buy this reasoning, I feel like Zorn is just over his head and not a very good playcaller.

In the end, its about wins/losses....all the stats in the world wont matter.[/quote]
If you throw it all on Zorn then you also need to add Gibbs to that list.

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[quote=roth74va;593484]He thinks, he thinks, he thinks.....bottom line is he doesnt KNOW anything! Roll the dice, if the guy falls on his face, we know what the next step will be. The way this is unfolding, neither will be here next year and we are starting over AGAIN![/quote]

Lets see Zorn was a QB, a QB coach and now he doesn't know anything. Who the heck sits there and watches JC in practice day after day and maybe he knows more about JC and why we looked to trade him. I guess the other team and coaches that did not come running to get JC also no nothing. JC has tried like 6 or 7 deep passes in preaseason and the reg. season and has not completed the long one yet. On all but one of those plays was the guy not open but I guess this is just more of Zorns issue and not JC's. This same problem was here with Gibbs so at what point do we stop blamming the D, O line, WR's, coaches, and who ever else you want to add to that list and not JC?

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[quote=firstdown;593515]If you throw it all on Zorn then you also need to add Gibbs to that list.[/quote]

I understand your reasoning, but I disagree. Gibbs "guy" was Brunell, and Campbell should be far more seasoned by now. Zorn came in as the "QB guru", its how he became known as a coach, and was how he got the job. He has had two seasons to work with him, so the excuses are a little late IMO. I feel like the whole "he isnt able to call plays because JC cant handle them" excuse is crap.

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[quote=roth74va;593518]I understand your reasoning, but I disagree. Gibbs "guy" was Brunell, and Campbell should be far more seasoned by now. Zorn came in as the "QB guru", its how he became known as a coach, and was how he got the job. He has had two seasons to work with him, so the excuses are a little late IMO. I feel like the whole "he isnt able to call plays because JC cant handle them" excuse is crap.[/quote]

What!!!! Gibbs traded up in the draft to get JC.

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[quote=firstdown;593519]What!!!! Gibbs traded up in the draft to get JC.[/quote]

But didnt play him until he was on the way out the door. Im not holding JC's feet to the fire when he was a rookie, or 1st year QB.

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I have been a consistent Campbell supporter, very much so, but I was watching the Shortcut of the Jacksonville game last night and I had this revelation. Jason Campbell is David Garrard, David Garrard is Jason Campbell. Both are statistically accurate passers, and neither has ever thrown a ton of TDs or INTs. Neither is a great timing and anticipation passer, but they can hit throw when players are open. Campbell probably has superior arm strength, but they can both make NFL throws. Neither has tremendous pocket awareness and their lack of timing and anticipation leads them to hold the ball too long at times. You can certainly win with either quarterback, especially if you have a strong running game, but neither will carry a team. They will put up workman like statistics, and even have flashes at times, but their upside is ultimately limited.

Jacksonville went ahead and gave Garrard a big new deal after 2007 and he has been an adequate player since that time. Given a strong run game and good defense he will win games, absent that he will not. I think that is exactly what we have with Campbell. I think both of them of an upside potential of 3,600-3,800 yards with 15-18 touchdowns. That is better than what a lot of NFL teams have at the position, but probably not enough to win championships without a dominant defense, which the Redskins do not have.

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[quote=firstdown;593516]Lets see Zorn was a QB, a QB coach and now he doesn't know anything.[/quote]

He was a horrible QB, and although he was apparently good as a QB coach, he came here with ZERO playcalling experience. I like the guy, he is a great person, but his playcalling needs to be questioned.

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[quote=roth74va;593520]But didnt play him until he was on the way out the door. Im not holding JC's feet to the fire when he was a rookie, or 1st year QB.[/quote]

Especially considering it was a revolving door as far as learning a new offense EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

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[quote=roth74va;593522]He was a horrible QB, and although he was apparently good as a QB coach, he came here with ZERO playcalling experience. I like the guy, he is a great person, but his playcalling needs to be questioned.[/quote]

His play calling does need to be questioned but perhaps all is not lost. I think he's just wearing too many hats. He needs to hand off play calling to Sherman Smith so that he can focus clearly on the other stuff.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;593521]That is better than what a lot of NFL teams have at the position, but probably not enough to win championships without a dominant defense, which the Redskins do not have.[/quote]

HUH? What team are you watching? Our defense was ranked 4th last year, and with the additions could be even better. We have a championship caliber defense IMO, I dont see how you can say we dont.