What Type of Head Coach Does This Team Need?
 

This isn't about should Zorn be fired, or should Shanahan (whoever) be hired.

This is more about with the current Redskins roster what type of head coach is the best fit?

Do we need a hot-shot, upstart who can relate to the young guys?

Do we need a hard-nosed disciplinarian who can keep everyone in check?

Do we need an experienced offensive mind who can help our rookies and 2nd year players?

Discuss

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As i said on an earlier post, i think a hard nosed,in your face HC is exactly what we need. One who holds everyone accountable for their actions and will break his foot off in your @$$ if you dont do your job. Cowher.

Look what Mike has done in S.F. He may do strange things -pants down- but he has those guys playing hard.

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It just needs a HC that can put points on the board.

Sorry for the obvious take but I still think Zorn has what it takes if he just gets his head out of his ass in the RZ.

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[quote=SmootSmack;594071]This isn't about should Zorn be fired, or should Shanahan (whoever) be hired.

This is more about with the current Redskins roster what type of head coach is the best fit?

Do we need a hot-shot, upstart who can relate to the young guys?

Do we need a hard-nosed disciplinarian who can keep everyone in check?

Do we need an experienced offensive mind who can help our rookies and 2nd year players?

Discuss[/quote]

At this point I don't think our issues, fundamentally, are with coaching and players. I have been a big front office supporter in the past. I think Both Snyder and Cerrato have gotten an immense amount of unfair criticism. But it has been 10 years and this ship is still pretty wobbly. At some point I have to throw out all of my notions that Snyder is doing whatever it takes to win...it doesn't matter anymore to me. Even though I believe strongly he tries as hard or harder than any owner I think he simply isn't very good at it. It's not that he is too involved necessarily it that he simply has no pulse on the organization. He can't see what the deficiencies really are. We have the same issues year after year. Hell even his idol coach couldn't help him right the ship all that much. I'm not in the org so I can't say what the issues really are but the common thread among them in Snyder. So the coach that we need we'll probably never get because it's the coach who Snyder will give complete and total control to over every single thing that relates to the football product. Evene then I increasingly don't trust Dan to pick the right guy to do that.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;594074]As i said on an earlier post, i think a hard nosed,in your face HC is exactly what we need. One who holds everyone accountable for their actions and will break his foot off in your @$$ if you dont do your job. Cowher.

Look what Mike has done in S.F. He may do strange things -pants down- but he has those guys playing hard.[/quote]

He also has a young team. We don't...that kind of act would be a disaster here.

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[quote=FRPLG;594079]He also [B]has a young team. We don't[/B]...that kind of act would be a disaster here.[/quote]

Hint hint. maybe a youth movement is needed. :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;594071]This isn't about should Zorn be fired, or should Shanahan (whoever) be hired.

This is more about with the current Redskins roster what type of head coach is the best fit?

Do we need a hot-shot, upstart who can relate to the young guys?

Do we need a hard-nosed disciplinarian who can keep everyone in check?

[B]Do we need an experienced offensive mind who can help our rookies and 2nd year players?
[/B]
Discuss[/quote]

I think an experienced offensive mind would have helped greatly. Zorn still can become that, but a coordinator with more offensive playcalling experience would have been great given our anemic offense.

Which sort of makes me realize that Grilliams or Spags would not have worked here.

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Our Oline is aged and ineffective, MLB, and our Backfield are well seasoned.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;594080]Hint hint. maybe a youth movement is needed. :)[/quote]

Yes more total rebuilding...just what we all want.

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Dare i say it, we passed on Josh McDaniels. say what you want about the Cutler deal but his offense is scoring and spreading defenses out so his players can make plays. 2 things that come up that Zorn hasnt done.

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I think we need a HC who is a proven winner. He has to be experienced but young enough to lead the team energetically for the next seven to ten years.

I'm a Bill Cowher fan. I don't think of him so much as a disciplinarian but rather as a very intense leader and motivator.

Honestly, Jim Zorn is doing a better job than I thought he would. The difficulty he is facing is that he is learning how to be a HC and a play-caller while on the job. If he makes it past this season, I think he could become the type of HC I described.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;594088]Dare i say it, we passed on Josh McDaniels. say what you want about the Cutler deal but his offense is scoring and spreading defenses out so his players can make plays. 2 things that come up that Zorn hasnt done.[/quote]

His offense scored 27 pts. in the first game and 6 pts. in the second game before that fluke of a TD. So they had one game where they score points and one where they score few points, how is that any different than us? Other than they are 2-0, when they should be 1-1.

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[quote=FRPLG;594085]Yes more total rebuilding...just what we all want.[/quote]

So you are fine with our old Oline and other positions that need to be addressed?? I didnt say scrap the whole team but there are areas where we need to bring in younger talent.

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[quote=Ruhskins;594092]His offense scored 27 pts. in the first game and 6 pts. in the second game before that fluke of a TD. So they had one game where they score points and one where they score few points, how is that any different than us? Other than they are 2-0, when they should be 1-1.[/quote]

Im just saying that he spreads things out so his guys can make plays and he is aggressive in his playcalling --trusts his QB--. Who would have thought Buckhalter would look like mini-westbrook? -to this point-

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Although I do agree we could use more discipline(Cowher), I see the majority of our struggles being on the offensive side of the ball. Maybe Zorn will right the ship, and figure out how to score TD's and not FG's. Jerry Gray is a longtime Williams/Blache assistant, and Id like to see him given a shot with defensive coordinator once Blache is done.

As for head coach, and I hope Zorn figures it out, IMO we would want to go offensive minded, WITH PLAYCALLING EXPERIENCE lol. Others have mentioned B.Schottenheimer who is alot younger, or a Shanahan/Holmgren type. The older guys would be short-term fixes, so Id prefer someone younger. Although if Holmgren came here, Im sure he would want total control, which might be the real blessing.

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This team needs a Coach they can respect. If we aren't going to blow the whole thing up, then this team needs a guy who is going to work them. This whole " Let's go out and have fun" mantra is not working. Where the hell is the fire with this team? I just watched Sunday's game last night, I was way off on how well I thought the offense had played based on stats. How many times is Portis and Betts going to run into the line man that are blocking for them? That was a piss poor effort all around offensivley. The redzone offense is just one problem. SS I'm not trying to hijack the thread and I just wanted to voice some frustration over what I saw. The whole offense looked sloppy.

I would go with experience ie a good OC who has never had the job or a proven winner in the league. The more I think about it with the money that the team is willing to spend a guy like Mike Holmgren or Cowher is who I want coaching this team.

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I think we need a firey defensive minded leader that can bring out the greatness in this defense. The strength of the Redskins roster is defense. With this current roster the only way for them to be great is on Defense. I don't mean to sound like I am knocking Blache who is a good DC, but he gives us a good bend but don't break defense that keeps the score down. What this team needs to really excel is a nasty turnover causing, punch you in the mouth game changing defense. Our offensive players are just not that good IMO...we have a big chunk of the cap spent on the defense and that is where this roster needs to make it's mark.

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First, if there is a change VC has to go. No questions asked. He tenure here is one of mediocrity and questionably choices. No Head Coach has succeeded during his stay. He is the constant amongst our mediocre seasons. Also, Zorn was his guy, his hire. He takes the blame for that. Most of his first choices refused to work under a system like we have.

We need a coach and a gm hire. I'd prefer a relatively young football coach like a B. Schott. Same goes for the GM. Give the reins over and let the football guys do there thing. I would have loved to hire Jim Schwartz but that ship has sailed.

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I think Zorn has what it takes. The players respond well to him, which is important. However, he does have some growing up to do. Remember Belichick in Cleveland? He had growing up to do, too. I'm just hoping that the growing pains do not affect the team too badly. I also hope that we are patient enough with inexperienced coaches and players to allow them to grow.

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[quote=Lotus;594121]I think Zorn has what it takes. The players respond well to him, which is important. However, he does have some growing up to do. Remember Belichick in Cleveland? He had growing up to do, too. I'm just hoping that the growing pains do not affect the team too badly. [B]I also hope that we are patient enough with inexperienced coaches and players to allow them to grow.[/B][/quote]

Agreed, I mean if f'ing Al Davis was patient with Chucky, Snyder should be patient with Zorn.

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A coach with natural leadership skills and a vision of where he intends to lead the team, and be able to accomplish his desired goals in a short period of time. That's the most difficult task for any HC in today's win now at all cost, or be gone philosophy.

A coach trained in the art of discipline, treating players as equals with fairness as well as firmness, not demonstrating recognizable favoritism, and holding each and every player accountable for their play on the field, and their social actions off the field.

A coach with the ability to establish a workable relationship with the FO in an effort to acquire talented players that want to be here, and coach them to their maximum ability with a goal in mind to win as many games as possible and eventually bring another SB trophy to Washington before I die.

There are other criteria, but for our team the way it's constructed now (in a win now mode) coach must still be able to insist upon the owner he exercise patience. It does take time to gather all the elements neccessary for a championship caliber team.

There's more........

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[B]We need a Chameleon-Einstein![/B]
Someone who can improvise, adapt and overcome, and someone smart enough to figure it out.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, what kind of GM do we need?

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[quote=Ruhskins;594081]I think an experienced offensive mind would have helped greatly. Zorn still can become that, but a coordinator with more offensive playcalling experience would have been great given our anemic offense.

Which sort of makes me realize that Grilliams or Spags would not have worked here.[/quote]

It would have worked had they picked a decent Co-ordinator and left them alone.

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We need someone with instant credibility either from their playing days or because they've proven over the years that they know what the hell is going on. Examples of current coaches with that kind of cred: Belichick, Singletary, Tomlin, Parcells... There's some big name guys out there that I absolutely don't want to see, Gruden, Martz, etc because they seem to piss off players more than motivate them.

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To be honest, we went from a soft Norv to a hard nosed schottenheimer to a soft Spurrier to a soft/medium Gibbs to a strict Saunders to a soft Zorn. The majority were players coach's. I wish we would have kept Schottenheimer but we didn't.

I guess I would go with hard nosed player accountability type like Cower or Gruden. Which is why I didn't like the candidates who were looked at two yrs ago. Shannahan is not a bad candidate so long as he has a hard nosed OC.

Also defensivly I would change the scheme at this point. I know they are near the top of the league but by design I get the feeling the defense is not made to attack the QB from the DL which we are trying to incorperate now, but was designed to attack with the LB's and CB's to keep the QB guessing where the attack was coming from.

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Just throwing it out there - Russ Grimm.

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We need a coach who holds players responsible for there play on the field. With Zorn theres always too many "well it didnt work"

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[quote=joeredskin;594148]just throwing it out there - russ grimm.[/quote]
you the man!

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;594082]Our Oline is aged and ineffective, MLB, and our Backfield are well seasoned.[/quote]

You realize you're just parroting media-speak without any basis of fact, right? Our starting OL going into this weekend is 'aged' from left to right 32, 28, 31, 24, 25. So 3 starters under 30 is now 'aged'? Every OL backup is under 30, including Mike Williams. How effective they are is certainly up for discussion, but can we stop with the 'old offensive line' stuff? That was last year with Kendall, Thomas and Jansen. None of them will ever wear a Redskins uniform again. Sorry for going OT but that's a pet peeve.

About the type of head coach we need, it needs to be someone who is a tough disciplinarian but understands how to respect and work with his veterans (why Gruden probably won't be a good fit). Snyder clearly wants an offensive minded head coach since other than Shcottenheimer, that's all he's hired. After Zorn, I can't see him going the unproven coach/young coordinator route again. He wants a name, face and presence.

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OH yah, and it has to be someone who STILL has the...........hunger TO WIN!!
Not a damn burn out looking for a home.........

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[quote=Longtimefan;594125]A coach with natural leadership skills and a vision of where he intends to lead the team, and be able to accomplish his desired goals in a short period of time. That's the most difficult task for any HC in today's win now at all cost, or be gone philosophy.

A coach trained in the art of discipline, treating players as equals with fairness as well as firmness, not demonstrating recognizable favoritism, and holding each and every player accountable for their play on the field, and their social actions off the field.

A coach with the ability to establish a workable relationship with the FO in an effort to acquire talented players that want to be here, and coach them to their maximum ability with a goal in mind to win as many games as possible and eventually bring another SB trophy to Washington before I die.

There are other criteria, but for our team the way it's constructed now (in a win now mode) coach must still be able to insist upon the owner he exercise patience. It does take time to gather all the elements neccessary for a championship caliber team.

There's more........[/quote]

I agree and I think we have that man right now. The thing is, would 2 years be a short enough period of time? I think it's too soon to tell exactly what will happen this year but I still feel we're progressing and will make the playoffs. Better play in the redzone and we're a pretty good team. I like the way this staff talks about "building" a good team. That's the way the Steelers and Ravens do it. When we get better in the redzone I don't think anyone can deny we'll be a pretty damn good football team and the SB will not appear to be out of reach. I'd call that progress. Nice post Longtimefan.

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Jim Mora or Jerry Glandville would be atleast funny to listen to after a loss. :) If we can't run up the score on anyone might as well have fun with it. LOL>

Especially Mora. LOL>

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[B]Tony Dungy[/B]- for Experience, discipline, smarts and fairness.

[B]Cam Cameron[/B]- for offensive innovation and lots of scoring

[B]Russ Grimm[/B]- Familiar face, tough, smart.

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Judging from fans who won't even give him 2 seasons to implement any type of consistent philosophy - I would say Merlin, or maybe Harry Potter is available.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;594168][B]Tony Dungy[/B]- for Experience, discipline and experience

[B]Cam Cameron[/B]- for offensive innovation and lots of scoring

[B]Russ Grimm[/B]- Familiar face, tough, smart.[/quote]

Tony...........sigh...

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[quote=SBXVII;594166]Jim Mora or Jerry Glandville would be atleast funny to listen to after a loss. :) If we can't run up the score on anyone might as well have fun with it. LOL>

Especially Mora. LOL>[/quote]

Playoffs??? Classic

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;594169]Judging from fans who won't even give him 2 seasons to implement any type of consistent philosophy - I would say Merlin, or maybe Harry Potter is available.[/quote]

lol that made me smile

:)

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[quote=53Fan;594162]I agree and I think we have that man right now. The thing is, would 2 years be a short enough period of time? I think it's too soon to tell exactly what will happen this year but I still feel we're progressing and will make the playoffs. Better play in the redzone and we're a pretty good team. I like the way this staff talks about "building" a good team. That's the way the Steelers and Ravens do it. When we get better in the redzone I don't think anyone can deny we'll be a pretty damn good football team and the SB will not appear to be out of reach. I'd call that progress. Nice post Longtimefan.[/quote]

I agree wholeheartedly with what you're saying. So much I want to see Zorn succeede because every time we change coaches we take two steps backward. When we start getting the ball in the endzone, there'll be no stoping us.

When it comes to changing coaches, many times the grass is not always greener, I believe it takes time, sometimes more than just a year or two to build a solid winner. When Gibbs left this last time, Mr. Snyder said in his first interview when asked what he learned form Gibbs, he said PATIENCE. I think you and I would agree it's time for him to demonstrate he meant what he said.

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[quote=Longtimefan;594175]I agree wholeheartedly with what you're saying. So much I want to see Zorn succeede because every time we change coaches we take two steps backward. When we start getting the ball in the endzone, there'll be no stoping us.

When it comes to changing coaches, many times the grass is not always greener, I believe it takes time, sometimes more than just a year or two to build a solid winner. When Gibbs left this last time, Mr. Snyder said in his first interview when asked what he learned form Gibbs, he said PATIENCE. [B]I think you and I would agree[/B] it's time for him to demonstrate he meant what he said.[/quote]

I think I would agree with you also

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;594169]Judging from fans who won't even give him 2 seasons to implement any type of consistent philosophy - I would say Merlin, or maybe Harry Potter is available.[/quote]

:) Nice.