The Redskins Are Close
 

It seemed like yesterday we were enduring the August sun and training camp predictions. Anything and everything about Brian Orakapo, Marko Mitchell, or Marcus Mason was newsworthy and commanded our attention. Now two games into the regular season and we're sharply focused on a Redskin team like a couple of know it all interns bickering over how to treat a patient who just got wheeled into the emergency room. While the situation may require medical assistance, what's ailing the patient is not life threatening. Not even close.

I asked myself if I were the fan of another team, who happens to catch all the Redskins games live, what would be my honest assessment of this team and where do I see them going. Because grading something -anything- is difficult when you're so emotionally invested in the outcome. So I'm taking a step back. Where's that damn Paintrain thread when you need it!

I really don't want to rehash the team's epic failures in the red zone, because it's been well documented here and elsewhere. In fact, it's been talked about over and over and over again. I don't think there's one person breathing today that will put more pressure on Jim Zorn this week than Jim Zorn. We saw the offense open up from week one to week two. Coach Zorn just needs to take the next step, and I believe he will.

Besides coach Jim Zorn the other Redskin causing angst among the faithful is Jason Campbell. Right now Campbell is ranked 15th in the NFL in passing. Let me throw a few names out there for perspective. Mark Sanchez, Carson Palmer, and Aaron Rodgers, who by the way, has been sacked 10 times already, all rank below Campbell statistically. For all the critcism he's been receiving, some warranted some not, you would think he's chucking the ball in the air like Jake Delhomme. So let's be a little honest here, Campbell has been solid and probably a little more given the dropped passes he's had at critical moments thus far. I'm not a Jason Campbell apologist, but I sometimes wonder if the tables were turned and Campbell wore another uniform how many trade threads would be requesting for him to come play for Washington so that Zorn can "coach him up."

This team just needs to keep on winning until they find the easy button. If winning ugly is the formula for now, I'll take it. I'd much rather be going into week three bitching and moaning about Zorn than going into week six or seven bitching about Zorn. There's no way Moss will continue to be ineffective that much longer. Especially with the way Cooley and Kelly have started. I think Sellers and Thomas catch those balls next time. And honestly, I don't think losing Randy Thomas will be that big of a deal. He hasn't played a ton of downs over the past few years anyway, and when he has he wasn't exactly dominant, so I don't see any major disruption along the offensive line regardless of who they plug in to replace Thomas.

All of that being said, the Redskins will handle their business in Detroit. I'm not calling for a close game either. The Redskins are 7-2 in indoor facilities in the last six years, including 2004 and 2008 wins over the Lions at Ford Field. The defensive line found another gear last week and should only get better as the season wears on. And I think --hope --Zorn opens up the offense inside the twenty. I won't predict a final score, but I think the Skins by 17 points is doable. From there, I think they finish the season with six losses.

Here's to a big, big win in the Motor City this weekend!

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thanks you finally.... someone with some comesense (but all skins fan do). but ur right. hey the team i progressing weekly that how you get better by looking at the last week problems and fix then the next. all skins have faith well be ok. trustand believe.thats all...

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A......few things:
1) If we were Eagle fans we would have burned the Vet to the ground some time ago.
2) This is the biggest game of Zorn's career
3) We WILL indeed find out much about our team and coach over the next few weeks.
4) I agree, they're CLOSE
5)[B] If winning ugly is the formula for now, let's take it god damnit[/B]

CAN I get a HELL YAH?
IT'S CLOBBERIN' TIME
HTTR

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[quote=Hog1;594471]A......few things:
1) If we were Eagle fans we would have burned the Vet to the ground some time ago.
2) This is the biggest game of Zorn's career
3) We WILL indeed find out much about our team and coach over the next few weeks.
4) I agree, they're CLOSE
5)[B] If winning ugly is the formula for now, let's take it god damnit[/B]

CAN I get a HELL YAH?
IT'S CLOBBERIN' TIME
HTTR[/quote]


That's funny, in my original version I wrote I'll take it god damnit. Then edited it. Hey, let's take it god damnit!!! Wooo hooo!!

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Finally someone who sees it correctly .. it's so annoying how everyone is FREAKING out .. we are 1-1 .. last time I checked it's a bottom line league, bottom line is who didn't think we'd be 1-1 at this point.. yeah the Rams game had issues, but WE WON .. would you rather we lost ? WTF ...the offense does look better than last year .. you have to admit it .. sure we have the RED Zone issues, ummm that is fixable .. it's not like we lost Cooley, Moss, POrtis, etc .. they are all healthy .. Zorn has the pressure .. I firmly believe this is the offense's coming out party this weekend ... finally people will shut the f@#% up about this team and get behind them .. Our DEFENSE is a championship D .. don't be fooled .. they are that good ... let's get the ball rolling on O and the chips will fall where they may ..

Skins BIG THIS WEEKEND !~!!!!!!!!!!!!

[COLOR="Red"][B][SIZE="6"]Skins 44
Lions 17[/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]

Stafford - 3 INTS (1 for TD by HALL) ... 5 SACKS !

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[quote=Hog1;594471]A......few things:
1) If we were Eagle fans we would have burned the Vet to the ground some time ago.
[B]2) This is the biggest game of Zorn's career[/B]
3) We WILL indeed find out much about our team and coach over the next few weeks.
[B]4) I agree, they're CLOSE[/B]
5)[B] If winning ugly is the formula for now, let's take it god damnit[/B]

CAN I get a HELL YAH?
IT'S CLOBBERIN' TIME
HTTR[/quote]

Winning ugly against teams like the Rams and Lions?...That equates to losing ugly to the competitive teams in this league.

How the hell are the Skins close? What have the Redskins shown you the past two weeks that makes them close to anything but the basement of the NFC?

And if this Zorn's biggest game of his career then I feel sorry for Zorn's career. Those are some pathetic expectations you have for Zorn this year.

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[quote=hog1;594471]a......few things:
1) if we were eagle fans we would have burned the vet to the ground some time ago.
2) this is the biggest game of zorn's career
3) we will indeed find out much about our team and coach over the next few weeks.
4) i agree, they're close
5)[b] if winning ugly is the formula for now, let's take it god damnit[/b]

can i get a hell yah?
It's clobberin' time
httr[/quote]

Hell Yeah!!!

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[quote=12thMan;594465]It seemed like yesterday we were enduring the August sun and training camp predictions. Anything and everything about Brian Orakapo, Marko Mitchell, or Marcus Mason was newsworthy and commanded our attention. Now two games into the regular season and we're sharply focused on a Redskin team like a couple of know it all interns bickering over how to treat a patient who just got wheeled into the emergency room. While the situation may require medical assistance, what's ailing the patient is not life threatening. Not even close.

I asked myself if I were the fan of another team, who happens to catch all the Redskins games live, what would be my honest assessment of this team and where do I see them going. Because grading something -anything- is difficult when you're so emotionally invested in the outcome. So I'm taking a step back. Where's that damn Paintrain thread when you need it!

I really don't want to rehash the team's epic failures in the red zone, because it's been well documented here and elsewhere. In fact, it's been talked about over and over and over again. I don't think there's one person breathing today that will put more pressure on Jim Zorn this week than Jim Zorn. We saw the offense open up from week one to week two. Coach Zorn just needs to take the next step, and I believe he will.

Besides coach Jim Zorn the other Redskin causing angst among the faithful is Jason Campbell. Right now Campbell is ranked 15th in the NFL in passing. Let me throw a few names out there for perspective. Mark Sanchez, Carson Palmer, and Aaron Rodgers, who by the way, has been sacked 10 times already, all rank below Campbell statistically. For all the critcism he's been receiving, some warranted some not, you would think he's chucking the ball in the air like Jake Delhomme. So let's be a little honest here, Campbell has been solid and probably a little more given the dropped passes he's had at critical moments thus far. I'm not a Jason Campbell apologist, but I sometimes wonder if the tables were turned and Campbell wore another uniform how many trade threads would be requesting for him to come play for Washington so that Zorn can "coach him up."

This team just needs to keep on winning until they find the easy button. If winning ugly is the formula for now, I'll take it. I'd much rather be going into week three bitching and moaning about Zorn than going into week six or seven bitching about Zorn. There's no way Moss will continue to be ineffective that much longer. Especially with the way Cooley and Kelly have started. I think Sellers and Thomas catch those balls next time. And honestly, I don't think losing Randy Thomas will be that big of a deal. He hasn't played a ton of downs over the past few years anyway, and when he has he wasn't exactly dominant, so I don't see any major disruption along the offensive line regardless of who they plug in to replace Thomas.

All of that being said, the Redskins will handle their business in Detroit. I'm not calling for a close game either. The Redskins are 7-2 in indoor facilities in the last six years, including 2004 and 2008 wins over the Lions at Ford Field. The defensive line found another gear last week and should only get better as the season wears on. And I think --hope --Zorn opens up the offense inside the twenty. I won't predict a final score, but I think the Skins by 17 points is doable. From there, I think they finish the season with six losses.

Here's to a big, big win in the Motor City this weekend![/quote]

Good work 12thMan.......I'm going to contact you about writing an article for my magazine.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;594483]Winning ugly against teams like the Rams and Lions?...That equates to losing ugly to the competitive teams in this league.

How the hell are the Skins close? What have the Redskins shown you the past two weeks that makes them close to anything but the basement of the NFC?

And if this Zorn's biggest game of his career then I feel sorry for Zorn's career. Those are some pathetic expectations you have for Zorn this year.[/quote]

How do you think we're not close is the question? It's not like the Giants blew us out. We're talking about one, two plays that turned that game. And..umm...we did [I]beat[/I] the Rams.

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[quote=Longtimefan;594489]Good work 12thMan.......I'm going to contact you about writing an article for my magazine.[/quote]

I'm gonna contact him about writing my senior thesis.

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[quote=Longtimefan;594489]Good work 12thMan.......I'm going to contact you about writing an article for my magazine.[/quote]

Let's do it.

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[quote=12thMan;594490]How do you think we're not close is the question? It's not like the Giants blew us out. We're talking about one, two plays that turned that game. And..umm...we did [I]beat[/I] the Rams.[/quote]

The Giants beat us by two TD's. Our garbage time, prevent defense TD at the end of the game doesn't count to keeping it close. I don't know if you watched that game but the Skins were clearly dominated.

We needed to rely 100% on Shawn Suisham just to win the Rams game by two points...need I say more?


If you intended to say the Redskins are close to beating the worse teams in the NFL then your statement is accurate.

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Lol us score 44 pts!! Your high, we will win but not by that much.. I say 23-14

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[quote=Skinny Tee;594496]The Giants beat us by two TD's. Our garbage time, prevent defense TD at the end of the game doesn't count to keeping it close. I don't know if you watched that game but the Skins were clearly dominated.

We needed to rely 100% on Shawn Suisham just to win the Rams game by two points...need I say more?


If you intended to say the Redskins are close to beating the worse teams in the NFL then your statement is accurate.[/quote]

No I meant it the way I said it. We're close to be a solid 10-6 team. Look, all of this we barely beat a weak team, therefore we can't beat the good teams doesn't fly. You don't know 'til you know. And in the NFL, any given Sunday is true everytime a team kicks the ball off. Hate to sound cliche, but it's true.

Look, you can find a couple of threads around here where I'm ripping Zorn's play calling last week and how this is possibly his most important game. I actually still feel that way, but I also feel that we're not that far off from being a really solid football team. We'll find out though, won't we?

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[quote=12thMan;594502]No I meant it the way I said it. We're close to be a solid 10-6 team. [B]Look, all of this we barely beat a weak team, therefore we can't beat the good teams doesn't fly. You don't know 'til you know. [/B]And in the NFL, any given Sunday is true everytime a team kicks the ball off. Hate to sound cliche, but it's true.

Look, you can find a couple of threads around here where I'm ripping Zorn's play calling last week and how this is his possibly his most important game. I actually still feel that way, but I also feel that we're not that far off from being a really solid football team. We'll find out though, won't we?[/quote]

I agree with that but the way you go about playing that team plays a huge factor to your future success.

If the Skins lost players during the game due to injury or had some freak turnovers to cause that close game then you could reason that it's not a real indication.

We had our full roster AND a full 60 minutes to show a clearly inferior team who was better that day. That inferior opponent showed us that they are just as good as we are that Sunday. There were hardly any freak turnovers or other game changing plays.


It was straight up with no wild cards and we struggled to edge them out. That to me is an indication of overall strength.

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Man, we always seem to play at the level of our opponent which is a real shame. Our players are all super nice guys and I think that might a problem. We need players that are roughnecks on the field like the good old days. I was watching the game from the Rams and their players were yapping "hell nah, no sir, not today" all game and our players didn't respond verbally or with their play. What a shame.

I want the Dominate Button.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;594496]The Giants beat us by two TD's. [B]Our garbage time, prevent defense TD at the end of the game doesn't count to keeping it close.[/B] I don't know if you watched that game but the Skins were clearly dominated.

We needed to rely 100% on Shawn Suisham just to win the Rams game by two points...need I say more?


If you intended to say the Redskins are close to beating the worse teams in the NFL then your statement is accurate.[/quote]NFL.com decided to leave it on the scoreboard, for what it's worth.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;594505]I agree with that but the way you go about playing that team plays a huge factor to your future success.

If the Skins lost players during the game due to injury or had some freak turnovers to cause that close game then you could reason that it's not a real indication.

We had our full roster AND a full 60 minutes to show a clearly inferior team who was better that day. That inferior opponent showed us that they are just as good as we are that Sunday. There were hardly any freak turnovers or other game changing plays.


It was straight up with no wild cards and we struggled to edge them out. That to me is an indication of overall strength.[/quote]

I think the defensive turnover that called back because of the fluke roughing the passer was a game changer. I think Moss' fumble while we're driving wasn't a game changer, but a momentum killer. Sellers scores easily if holds that ball.

Maybe we're coming away from the Rams game with two different perspectives, but I think it's reasonable to believe the Redskins could have put up 21 on the Rams.

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so your saying we can't score 44 points ?? why not .. this can't go on forever .. you and all the other haters can suck it .. i'll be the one saying i told you so when we do drop a monster number of the Lions .. all the negative posts around here are so typical .. MOVE THE F ON ... one play changed the Giants game .. one freaking play


SKINS will drop 40 .. Suck It

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[quote=DCtoAZ;594512]so your saying we can't score 44 points ?? why not .. this can't go on forever .. you and all the other haters can suck it .. i'll be the one saying i told you so when we do drop a monster number of the Lions .. all the negative posts around here are so typical .. MOVE THE F ON ... one play changed the Giants game .. one freaking play


SKINS will drop 40 .. Suck It[/quote]

I don't know what we're sucking, but I agree it can't go on forever. Can it?

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I was referring to an earlier post who stated that " I must be high to think we can drop 40"

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[quote=GTripp0012;594507]NFL.com decided to leave it on the scoreboard, for what it's worth.[/quote]

Ok then...we'll go the long way about it.

We needed to score a touchdown in the last minute and a half of the game just to be down by one touchdown.

...still doesn't sound close to me.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;594515]Ok then...we'll go the long way about it.

We needed to score a touchdown in the last minute and a half of the game just to be down by one touchdown.

...still doesn't sound close to me.[/quote]Long way works for me.

You know that game was decided by the outcome of an onside kick right? If you're suggesting that they let us in the end zone by design, you're accusing the entire Giants coaching staff of incompetence.

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[quote=DCtoAZ;594514]I was referring to an earlier post who stated that " I must be high to think we can drop 40"[/quote]

Yes...I didn't say that but I agree that one must be high to think to ones self that the Skins would score 44 points on Sunday.

It really shows ones lack of football knowledge when one makes outrageous claims like that. How would a team just miraculously get 150% better in a week? At least make a rational claim to show that one has been paying attention to football more than a few days.

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[quote=GTripp0012;594517]Long way works for me.

You know that game was decided by the outcome of an onside kick right? If you're suggesting that they let us in the end zone by design, you're accusing the entire Giants coaching staff of incompetence.[/quote]

It's called the prevent defense.

They let us down the field didn't they? They weren't doing that the previous 3 and half quarters.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;594483]Winning ugly against teams like the Rams and Lions?...That equates to losing ugly to the competitive teams in this league.

How the hell are the Skins close? What have the Redskins shown you the past two weeks that makes them close to anything but the basement of the NFC?

And if this Zorn's biggest game of his career then I feel sorry for Zorn's career. Those are some pathetic expectations you have for Zorn this year.[/quote]

Dude, there are plenty of threads where you can go and piss on the corn flakes. Shit, can you at least let us have this thread for those of us with a glimmer of hope? Thanks.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;594522]It's called the prevent defense.

They let us down the field didn't they? They weren't doing that the previous 3 and half quarters.[/quote]Well, sounds like you would be accusing them of incompetence. Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding the context of your statement.

Plus, prevent defense is designed to take away those last two long completions on the drive. Fact is, we just beat the coverage and scored.

Sure we could have dinked and dunked down the field, and they would have let us run the clock down, but that's not what happened. An onside kick is a 10% proposition, but if we get lucky, they have to stop us from getting 40 yards in a minute thirty, or we beat them.

I'm just not seeing the domination. They lead the whole way, and it wasn't exactly a back and forth game, but that's hardly domination.

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[quote=GTripp0012;594525]Well, sounds like you would be accusing them of incompetence. Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding the context of your statement.

Plus, prevent defense is designed to take away those last two long completions on the drive. Fact is, we just beat the coverage and scored.

Sure we could have dinked and dunked down the field, and they would have let us run the clock down, but that's not what happened. An onside kick is a 10% proposition, but if we get lucky, they have to stop us from getting 40 yards in a minute thirty, or we beat them.

I'm just not seeing the domination. They lead the whole way, and it wasn't exactly a back and forth game, but that's hardly domination.[/quote]

Wow...I'm getting a feeling that you watched the whole game and actually believe that.

Whew...Tynes scored a FG with 3 minutes 12 seconds in the fourth quarter. We receive the ball and score a TD with 1 minute 30 seconds left in the game. With the kickoff we scored in 1 minute and 42 seconds...

What Redskin offense is capable of scoring in 1min42sec??? So far it's taken us 5-fold that just to get into the redzone and kick a FG. If you don't see that as a gimmie score by the Giants prevent defense then there are other things you're not seeing.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;594483]Winning ugly against teams like the Rams and Lions?...That equates to losing ugly to the competitive teams in this league.

How the hell are the Skins close? What have the Redskins shown you the past two weeks that makes them close to anything but the basement of the NFC?

[B]And if this Zorn's biggest game of his career then I feel sorry for Zorn's career. Those are some pathetic expectations you have for Zorn this year.[/B][/quote]

Hard to argue w/ what you say Skinny. I sorta feel sorry for Zorn already...

Back to the original post and the question about taking a different perspective, well I basically get that every game, watching the Skins w/ friends who are Vikings, Broncos, Raiders and Niners fans. I mean usually they just laugh at how inept the offense looks and especially how lost Zorn looks on the sidelines. However on Sunday when Zorn called that sweep left on 4th and a foot, putting the ball 5 yards behind the LOS when we hadn't been able to run all day and every person watching expects us to run left behind Chris Samuels...well at that point there was just total silence for a few seconds until I screamed at the TV. I mean it was like "no effing way did that really just happen," so basically the alternate perspective is to be speechless :)

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[quote=Skinny Tee;594531]Wow...I'm getting a feeling that you watched the whole game and actually believe that.

Whew...Tynes scored a FG with 3 minutes 12 seconds in the fourth quarter. We receive the ball and score a TD with 1 minute 30 seconds left in the game. With the kickoff we scored in 1 minute and 42 seconds...

What Redskin offense is capable of scoring in 1min42sec??? So far it's taken us 5-fold that just to get into the redzone and kick a FG. If you don't see that as a gimmie score by the Giants prevent defense then there are other things you're not seeing.[/quote]

Ok, Redskins suck and they are going to lose on Sunday and well you'll be correct and get to gloat about it here for eternity. That's what you want, right? I mean, you're going out of your way to piss all over a somewhat positive thread. No?

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[quote=Skinny Tee;594531]Wow...I'm getting a feeling that you watched the whole game and actually believe that.

Whew...Tynes scored a FG with 3 minutes 12 seconds in the fourth quarter. We receive the ball and score a TD with 1 minute 30 seconds left in the game. With the kickoff we scored in 1 minute and 42 seconds...

What Redskin offense is capable of scoring in 1min42sec??? So far it's taken us 5-fold that just to get into the redzone and kick a FG. If you don't see that as a gimmie score by the Giants prevent defense then there are other things you're not seeing.[/quote]Don't you see the stretches you have to make to fit the Redskins offense into this realm of complete incompetence?

There's no such thing as a gimme score in football. Teams will happily trade yards for clock minutes, but if you think that the Giants thought it ideal to let the Redskins into the end zone with 1:30 on the clock, you're narrative is already dead in the water.

This is similar to the argument I jumped on GMScud for yesterday, and while I'm not doubting that you've thought through your critiques, the game doesn't end when you declare it's over. You can't even say the Giants weren't blitzing to try to slow down the Redskins. Trust me, they weren't looking to get into an onside-kick-decides-the-game siutation.

For most of the game, the Redskins passing offense > Giants passing defense. That drive was simply an extension of that principle.

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[quote=Ruhskins;594533]Ok, Redskins suck and they are going to lose on Sunday and well you'll be correct and get to gloat about it here for eternity. That's what you want, right? I mean, you're going out of your way to piss all over a somewhat positive thread. No?[/quote]

lol...No...of course not. Why would I want them to suck?

I'm not saying they're going to lose this Sunday...they're playing the Lions for god sakes.

But everyone, including me, is seriously considering that they will struggle against the 0-18 lions when they do play. What is the expectation on the year if we struggle against the lions on Sunday?...It doesn't take the finest football minds to tell you that playing out of the gate this season we're not built to last or to win.

That's probably why there is a hint of salt to my replies.

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If we get 8 possessions, and we have long drives, then we will legitimately get a minimum of 23 points. That's reasonable based on what we have done so far, and assuming every receiver is not going to drop every pass that hits their hands in the endzone. Stafford has thrown 5 INTs so its reasonable to think that DHall or Horton come away with a Pick. and that gives us a short field to score off of. so thats 26 or 30.

I think we should expect to see 27 points minimum for this to be a turning point game.

and if you tell me their offense scores more than 10 points you have to give me proof on that. even giving them a fluke TD, like the Giants got. That is 17 points. Max.

[URL="http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/intel?gameId=290927008"]Accuscore has us at 26-17[/URL], I think thats about right.

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I'm always ready for a rally call!


Let's kick some ass on Sunday! I'm ready for an effin beat down. I'm def. going to break open the Natty B'oh 30 pack and be a Redskins fan. I don't think we're that far off, the talent is there.

I think the best point 12th brings to the table is this:

There is no way Moss will continue to be this ineffective. Tana is healthy, and he is still blazing fast. He will get his 1 on 1 coverage, and open up. I'm so ready for a 100yd 2 td day for Moss.

And can we bring back the Moss screen pass? I guess with Thomas going down that hurts us a little bit in that department, but I love the WR screen.

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[quote=GTripp0012;594535]
For most of the game, the Redskins passing offense > Giants passing defense. That drive was simply an extension of that principle.[/quote]

If that was true then this would have happened...Redskins score > Giants score

...being that it didn't I'd say your narrative is the one that is inaccurate.

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[quote=RobH4413;594538]I'm always ready for a rally call!


Let's kick some ass on Sunday! I'm ready for an effin beat down. I'm def. going to break open the Natty B'oh 30 pack and be a Redskins fan. I don't think we're that far off, the talent is there.

I think the best point 12th brings to the table is this:

There is no way Moss will continue to be this ineffective. Tana is healthy, and he is still blazing fast. He will get his 1 on 1 coverage, and open up. I'm so ready for a 100yd 2 td day for Moss.

And can we bring back the Moss screen pass? I guess with Thomas going down that hurts us a little bit in that department, but I love the WR screen.[/quote]

Man remember a couple of years ago Tanna ate the Chiefs up with the screen pass? Was Herm Edwards the coach then?

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[quote=Skinny Tee;594539]If that was true then this would have happened...Redskins score > Giants score

...being that it didn't I'd say your narrative is the one that is inaccurate.[/quote]

can I point out that minus JCs fumble, our offense did score more than the Giants.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;594536]lol...No...of course not. Why would I want them to suck?

I'm not saying they're going to lose this Sunday...they're playing the Lions for god sakes.

[B]But everyone, including me, is seriously considering that they will struggle against the 0-18 lions when they do play. What is the expectation on the year if we struggle against the lions on Sunday?...It doesn't take the finest football minds to tell you that playing out of the gate this season we're not built to last or to win.[/B]

That's probably why there is a hint of salt to my replies.[/quote]

Well I think every sane person here has this in mind...but as I said, plenty of threads that have been talking about the negatives. I know the team didn't give us any positives after than win, but we have to hope.

Re: The Redskins Are Close
 

[quote=12thMan;594465]It seemed like yesterday we were enduring the August sun and training camp predictions. Anything and everything about Brian Orakapo, Marko Mitchell, or Marcus Mason was newsworthy and commanded our attention. Now two games into the regular season and we're sharply focused on a Redskin team like a couple of know it all interns bickering over how to treat a patient who just got wheeled into the emergency room. While the situation may require medical assistance, what's ailing the patient is not life threatening. Not even close.

I asked myself if I were the fan of another team, who happens to catch all the Redskins games live, what would be my honest assessment of this team and where do I see them going. Because grading something -anything- is difficult when you're so emotionally invested in the outcome. So I'm taking a step back. Where's that damn Paintrain thread when you need it!

I really don't want to rehash the team's epic failures in the red zone, because it's been well documented here and elsewhere. In fact, it's been talked about over and over and over again. I don't think there's one person breathing today that will put more pressure on Jim Zorn this week than Jim Zorn. We saw the offense open up from week one to week two. Coach Zorn just needs to take the next step, and I believe he will.

Besides coach Jim Zorn the other Redskin causing angst among the faithful is Jason Campbell. Right now Campbell is ranked 15th in the NFL in passing. Let me throw a few names out there for perspective. Mark Sanchez, Carson Palmer, and Aaron Rodgers, who by the way, has been sacked 10 times already, all rank below Campbell statistically. For all the critcism he's been receiving, some warranted some not, you would think he's chucking the ball in the air like Jake Delhomme. So let's be a little honest here, Campbell has been solid and probably a little more given the dropped passes he's had at critical moments thus far. I'm not a Jason Campbell apologist, but I sometimes wonder if the tables were turned and Campbell wore another uniform how many trade threads would be requesting for him to come play for Washington so that Zorn can "coach him up."

This team just needs to keep on winning until they find the easy button. If winning ugly is the formula for now, I'll take it. I'd much rather be going into week three bitching and moaning about Zorn than going into week six or seven bitching about Zorn. There's no way Moss will continue to be ineffective that much longer. Especially with the way Cooley and Kelly have started. I think Sellers and Thomas catch those balls next time. And honestly, I don't think losing Randy Thomas will be that big of a deal. He hasn't played a ton of downs over the past few years anyway, and when he has he wasn't exactly dominant, so I don't see any major disruption along the offensive line regardless of who they plug in to replace Thomas.

All of that being said, the Redskins will handle their business in Detroit. I'm not calling for a close game either. The Redskins are 7-2 in indoor facilities in the last six years, including 2004 and 2008 wins over the Lions at Ford Field. The defensive line found another gear last week and should only get better as the season wears on. And I think --hope --Zorn opens up the offense inside the twenty. I won't predict a final score, but I think the Skins by 17 points is doable. From there, I think they finish the season with six losses.

Here's to a big, big win in the Motor City this weekend![/quote]

I'm doing an end run around the Debbie Downers, who think that seeing the glass as half empty is the same thing as football wisdom, and return to the OP.

Good job here. I agree with most of what you say (I'm still leery of Moss, though). The offense has been moving the ball well and just needs to take that one last (but critical) step. The defense improves with each quarter played.

Whether ugly or pretty, a win is a win and counts the same in the standings.

Re: The Redskins Are Close
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;594541]can I point out that minus JCs fumble, our offense did score more than the Giants.[/quote]

Good point C.